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                           他没法起诉司法部，司法部有豁免权你不能起诉 司法部，联盟嚷嚷起诉司法部你就当真了？而且邮件合同那里人家也没说起诉司法部啊，他的动议明确说了是司法部的受害者，我没见他用CVRA,那你说我们也是用的CVRA啊，为什么你们要选择性控诉他呢，","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1f77bec344e4e919be2d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ef9a09305a03661c4dc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f77bec344e4e919be2d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qeb1daae8b2b849c04e86","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":4,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-06T14:51:03.917Z","text":"他在478里引用了cvra，他打luc是有对正面作用，但是他只打了一次，后面就再不提了。起诉司法部的事我确实不清楚，但盖儿跑到郭案的确莫名其妙，他应该另立案件要求解封资产","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb1daae8b2b849c04e86","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qc5f4d5468a798c6697b2","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":5,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-06T14:51:27.715Z","text":"有视频。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6ca334eb737989c2e5fa","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc5f4d5468a798c6697b2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ca334eb737989c2e5fa","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qa0ec95a328bb3ac7c4d3","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":6,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-06T14:51:50.286Z","text":"是盖尔那个讲话吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0ec95a328bb3ac7c4d3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q046b6435928484f46c1a","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":7,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-06T14:51:55.832Z","text":"他说要起诉司法部。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc5f4d5468a798c6697b2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q046b6435928484f46c1a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc5f4d5468a798c6697b2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qbfcf5ce8365f447da8c4","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":8,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-06T14:52:48.339Z","text":"而且联盟全体出动大力推广，连哄带骗的给他授权，这就足够说明问题了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9ef9a09305a03661c4dc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfcf5ce8365f447da8c4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ef9a09305a03661c4dc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q50beffb776b67ac6d8ef","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":9,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-06T15:01:50.849Z","text":"签合同时没视频，你们这些跟检方控诉郭一样一样的，拿郭的视频说郭说了什么什么，没做到就是欺诈，就是鸡蛋里挑骨头","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc5f4d5468a798c6697b2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50beffb776b67ac6d8ef","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc5f4d5468a798c6697b2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q062bb954987d81e0d4b9","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":10,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-06T15:03:22.523Z","text":"人家合同没说要起诉司法部，借贷合同也没说要给股票","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q062bb954987d81e0d4b9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q7acd09bfdf5ed1899387","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":11,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-06T15:03:23.378Z","text":"盖尔为什么要介入郭案？一边说是政府受害人一边又在郭案引用cvra","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7acd09bfdf5ed1899387","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qa036e471d4d1aad6f09d","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":12,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-06T15:05:10.000Z","text":"第三方介入很正常吧，你自己不也是介入了？你为什么不自己立个案去起诉司法部和南区，你这样说纯属不讲理吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa036e471d4d1aad6f09d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q28218e42c828c0b3e7f6","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":13,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-06T15:06:47.803Z","text":"我还引用CVRA了呢，                                      REPLY OF THIRD PARTY\n CUSTOMERS OF THE\n HIMALAYA EXCHANGE ON\n THEIR MOTION FOR RETURN\n OF PROPERTY SEIZED BY\n COMPLAINANT","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28218e42c828c0b3e7f6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q0765cded83e19381386f","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":14,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-06T15:07:54.513Z","text":"你不能搞乱先后顺序，当时没有第三方，检方也没有受害人，这个时候联盟，西交所开始推盖儿，盖尔上来就弄了几千受害人，检方紧跟着说有多少箱子数千受害人的投诉，","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0765cded83e19381386f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qcc22e5fce1e876f20f14","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":15,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-06T15:08:38.172Z","text":"而且你们老抓着什么受害者不放，人家法庭根本不CARE,托雷斯轻描淡写一句话：所有投资人都是受害者，谁说自己是不是根本无所谓","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc22e5fce1e876f20f14","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q6af4ae41e36b66d2b900","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":16,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-06T15:08:39.607Z","text":"盖尔具体做了什么手脚，我讲不清楚。\n但是盖尔是由联盟大力宣传介绍给全球郭的支持者和投资者，这是肯定的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6af4ae41e36b66d2b900","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qfa68369efa26bd911b3d","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":17,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:09:04.305Z","text":"盖尔的问题可以去找螺丝哥的动议","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa036e471d4d1aad6f09d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa68369efa26bd911b3d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa036e471d4d1aad6f09d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q0419c45e2bc4d2d7b271","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":18,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:09:10.538Z","text":"盖尔最大的问题是合同欺诈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0419c45e2bc4d2d7b271","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q5d2184a51e57079dec2e","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":19,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:09:41.711Z","text":"其次 他口口声声不当受害者 一开始上去用cvra也就算了 最后要不到钱了还是853i","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d2184a51e57079dec2e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q908fdbd95d2136369836","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":20,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:09:58.932Z","text":"这算不算合同欺诈？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5d2184a51e57079dec2e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q908fdbd95d2136369836","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d2184a51e57079dec2e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q146baf0fa020b7c3f3e5","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":21,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-06T15:10:20.962Z","text":"REPLY TO COLLATERAL ATTACK\n ON CUSTOMERS VICTIMIZED BY\n DOJ’S ERRONEOUS SEIZURE OF\n THE HIMALAYA EXCHANGE’S\n RESERVE FUNDS AND 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我骂了他一顿","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q893df2b028349d005c86","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q7a66a7536614e5274446","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":27,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-06T15:11:09.760Z","text":"MOTION OF HIMALAYA EXCHANGE\n CUSTOMERS FOR EXPEDITED\n HEARINGS AND MOTIONS FOR\n COURT ORDER ON THEIR\n MOTIONS TO INTERVENE AND\n FOR RETURN OF THEIR PROPERTY\n AND FOR LIMITED 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犯罪组织推荐的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe3fbfc686f7e517cdcb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q0d82a60c9bedfef73d7a","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":45,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:15:23.995Z","text":"这是很要命的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfe3fbfc686f7e517cdcb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d82a60c9bedfef73d7a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe3fbfc686f7e517cdcb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q2f293bd76ee5cd2c2cae","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":46,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-06T15:15:27.196Z","text":"478","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0f3f12f1caa6c3352bcf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f293bd76ee5cd2c2cae","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f3f12f1caa6c3352bcf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qca977e967ba89184b93e","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":47,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:15:47.099Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 盖尔的问题不是一个 而是一大堆","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca977e967ba89184b93e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q9c2d234b118db42e49a0","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":48,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-06T15:15:49.541Z","text":"检方第一份起诉书就说了包括南区的上千受害人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0765cded83e19381386f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c2d234b118db42e49a0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0765cded83e19381386f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qce5a64d993508a44ee95","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":49,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:16:17.353Z","text":"盖尔造谣欺诈法庭","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce5a64d993508a44ee95","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qc79fb5d52c473b1257e9","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":50,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:16:20.682Z","text":"说什么733打他","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc79fb5d52c473b1257e9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q7182ddfcda27c9427f0d","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":51,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:16:52.086Z","text":"盖尔连个人都不算 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In the\nGOVERNMENT’S MOTION PURSUANT TO TITLE 18, UNITED STATES CODE, SECTION\n3771 filed in March 2023, the United States characterizes the petitioners as “victims” of the\nDefendants. As outlined in this Motion, the seizure of the assets in this case has made them\n“victims” of the seizure by the United States.","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd374520b186e5d943090","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf747ca3788ace2b25522","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd374520b186e5d943090","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qe69ca3eed09b01192eb8","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":56,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:28:24.970Z","text":"光受害者这一条就说不过去 和盖尔的合同里面 有没有说他要用cvra介入 产生的纠纷有没有条款约束 一大堆问题","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf747ca3788ace2b25522","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe69ca3eed09b01192eb8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf747ca3788ace2b25522","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q1fe4b43a112af88cd2d8","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":57,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:28:35.297Z","text":"有没有说最后是853i","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1fe4b43a112af88cd2d8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q63f6cadcc6ac15ec8071","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":58,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:28:53.948Z","text":"这些问题 对自诉人都不是问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63f6cadcc6ac15ec8071","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qdcf8f2df02586fbd897a","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":59,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:28:57.938Z","text":"但盖儿是律师","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdcf8f2df02586fbd897a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q12fee544d29e29f19eab","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":60,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-06T15:35:41.602Z","text":"我看了他所有的动议，都是要求返还财产动议，没有什么CVRA和声称被告的受害人，你们这样纯属指控没有证据，跟检方对郭是一样一样的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd4ee689af1e278533e07","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12fee544d29e29f19eab","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4ee689af1e278533e07","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q153e38db549ded12b412","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":61,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:37:04.897Z","text":"你搞错了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q12fee544d29e29f19eab","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q153e38db549ded12b412","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12fee544d29e29f19eab","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q60396ce3d71059aea84c","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":62,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:37:21.909Z","text":"我们没有指控他声称被害","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q60396ce3d71059aea84c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q0989981b181b0f2655cc","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":63,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-06T15:39:13.214Z","text":"盖尔有没有资格，代理集体853n\n最后这批人，都成853i，毛都拿不到","edited":false,"reply_to":"q12fee544d29e29f19eab","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0989981b181b0f2655cc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12fee544d29e29f19eab","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qceadcf16d466b880a37a","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":64,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:39:37.866Z","text":"对","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0989981b181b0f2655cc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qceadcf16d466b880a37a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0989981b181b0f2655cc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q08e4790ba0cbac05f82b","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":65,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:40:00.006Z","text":"他为什么没资格？因为他是联盟农场推荐涉嫌共谋","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08e4790ba0cbac05f82b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q6f8d7672af0cfc76a208","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":66,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-06T15:41:04.383Z","text":"他第一个动议，就是引用CVRA，群里记录有截图，这个你不能瞎说","edited":false,"reply_to":"q12fee544d29e29f19eab","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f8d7672af0cfc76a208","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12fee544d29e29f19eab","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qbffb512280dc979de42f","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":67,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-06T15:43:14.438Z","text":"他最后量刑完才用853n, 和remission，但是之前很长时间你们就开始打他了，之前他只说过853n, 而且案情是动态变化的，他从开始怎么可能知道到最后不得不提remission？他难道会掐指算案子会怎么走？这种事后诸葛亮的指控太苛刻了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe69ca3eed09b01192eb8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbffb512280dc979de42f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe69ca3eed09b01192eb8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q52391c0bb990bf0c5a5a","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":68,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-06T15:44:24.887Z","text":"［用户 chu***］ 螺丝哥有空和你科普吧","edited":true,"reply_to":"qbffb512280dc979de42f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q52391c0bb990bf0c5a5a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbffb512280dc979de42f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q0e4dba30a9c8706a45eb","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":69,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:44:33.032Z","text":"抛开一切 你说说盖尔怎么来的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbffb512280dc979de42f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e4dba30a9c8706a45eb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbffb512280dc979de42f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q80714e7383d29d47959e","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":70,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:44:39.889Z","text":"你是咋知道的盖尔","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q80714e7383d29d47959e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q28b5e13d0062bf534fc3","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":71,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-06T15:44:44.860Z","text":"反正我除了不同意他最后的remission以外，他前面都没有任何问题，我认为他动议写得很好，对我很有启发","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28b5e13d0062bf534fc3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q93c90584233b119d034f","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":72,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:44:49.642Z","text":"谁第一个推荐盖尔","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93c90584233b119d034f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q7bacf3efbec4ea8a9905","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":73,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:45:21.461Z","text":"技术细节上 他是律师当然写得好 写得不好就没饭吃了🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q28b5e13d0062bf534fc3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7bacf3efbec4ea8a9905","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28b5e13d0062bf534fc3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qa2dda1c48bb42163adb9","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":74,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-06T15:45:21.620Z","text":"没有任何问题？第一次上去就用CVRA","edited":false,"reply_to":"q28b5e13d0062bf534fc3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa2dda1c48bb42163adb9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28b5e13d0062bf534fc3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qd56d4f93a30feaa4da71","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":75,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:45:59.860Z","text":"cvra的问题 对自诉人来说不是问题 但是对律师来说 如果他用cvra没写在合同里面 那就是合同欺诈","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa2dda1c48bb42163adb9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd56d4f93a30feaa4da71","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa2dda1c48bb42163adb9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q4836a17f92f3972562cc","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":76,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:46:39.733Z","text":"他6000多的合同怎么签的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4836a17f92f3972562cc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qfab461e512da4f00261d","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":77,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:46:47.197Z","text":"里面有没有欺诈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfab461e512da4f00261d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qa389cba7581d2b239537","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":78,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:46:50.023Z","text":"联盟怎么忽悠的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa389cba7581d2b239537","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qbf7b974566379160aa8f","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":79,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-06T15:46:55.633Z","text":"他什么时候第一次用CVRA了，我上面都发了，你们没有发他用CVRA的任何证据，我懒得跟你们费口水了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa2dda1c48bb42163adb9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf7b974566379160aa8f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa2dda1c48bb42163adb9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qedcc3a4a9c00716e9ffb","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":80,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:47:38.910Z","text":"https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67012324/478/united-states-v-guo/","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qedcc3a4a9c00716e9ffb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qe94706cfd83492e59d4b","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":81,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:47:45.685Z","text":"［用户 spr***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe94706cfd83492e59d4b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qb98d47b3f07e090b2bc9","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":82,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-06T15:48:40.294Z","text":"上面发错了，是这一段                 . In the\nGOVERNMENT’S MOTION PURSUANT TO TITLE 18, UNITED STATES CODE, SECTION\n3771 filed in March 2023, the United States characterizes the petitioners as “victims” of the\nDefendants. As outlined in this Motion, the seizure of the assets in this case has made them\n“victims” of the seizure by the United States.","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb98d47b3f07e090b2bc9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qb4edc26288442e21cc6a","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":83,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-06T15:49:08.507Z","text":"［用户 spr***］ 这个1年前群里就说了","edited":true,"reply_to":"qb4a7ab9054a9ab734dc5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4edc26288442e21cc6a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4a7ab9054a9ab734dc5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q43019221a6723e225a72","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":84,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-06T15:49:53.836Z","text":"他说3771条的政府动议中将他的客户称为受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43019221a6723e225a72","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qb4daddd58c14f1e5a948","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":85,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:53:04.611Z","text":"［用户 spr***］ 这一个动议就是cvra","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4daddd58c14f1e5a948","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q57cd8c2bedba29200229","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":86,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:53:41.560Z","text":"他在混淆视听","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57cd8c2bedba29200229","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q5fd836b000ac36aa3938","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":87,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:53:51.329Z","text":"他自己没明说用","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5fd836b000ac36aa3938","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q16bf180c4bc9d7f8bd0d","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":88,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:53:55.436Z","text":"实际上就是","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16bf180c4bc9d7f8bd0d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q0c7bc9ee87e7d89ac4f0","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":89,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-06T15:55:34.095Z","text":"你这个是24年11月定罪后，并不是第一份就用CVRA，定罪后法律已经定性投资人就是受害者了，只不过大家不愿承认，但是他这样写也没毛病","edited":false,"reply_to":"qedcc3a4a9c00716e9ffb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c7bc9ee87e7d89ac4f0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qedcc3a4a9c00716e9ffb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qcb08fbd73683304d8aa6","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":90,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:57:28.167Z","text":"你不要纠结这个了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0c7bc9ee87e7d89ac4f0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb08fbd73683304d8aa6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c7bc9ee87e7d89ac4f0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q3b9705484ea3c86bbb96","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":91,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:57:40.286Z","text":"这个只是他重大问题里面的细小问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b9705484ea3c86bbb96","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q6854f72dc28774b6f9a3","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":92,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-06T15:57:44.888Z","text":"那不就对了，盖尔带6000人上去，正好被检方拿去用，因为受害人太多，不能直接赔偿投资者，只能走没收再赦免返还","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0c7bc9ee87e7d89ac4f0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6854f72dc28774b6f9a3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c7bc9ee87e7d89ac4f0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q0b679c1483e092eac492","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":93,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T15:57:52.753Z","text":"盖尔的出现就是违法的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b679c1483e092eac492","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qdaebbab6e194efd59a8f","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":94,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T16:02:32.293Z","text":"如果没有第三方 盖尔上去就是和检方合作","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6854f72dc28774b6f9a3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdaebbab6e194efd59a8f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6854f72dc28774b6f9a3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q806d91da2528690ffa6e","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":95,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T16:02:44.595Z","text":"现在第三方打成这样 盖尔也就是废人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q806d91da2528690ffa6e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q6e7976503ff049b66a24","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":96,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-06T16:09:20.200Z","text":"［用户 spr***］ \n第一 盖尔怎么拿到6000人代理权？6000人怎么找到他的？\n第二 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［用户 chu***］ 张甜甜","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q252848e60fb15557cd9e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q289e68d125f364cec4ce","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":101,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-06T16:13:04.454Z","text":"真的？太好了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaa4667fd15cc431803b9","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q289e68d125f364cec4ce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q5b1e67f5828c7f96eec6","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":102,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T16:13:29.001Z","text":"哈哈 ［用户 him***］ 他说盖尔只能管要钱 其他问题盖尔这个[屏蔽词]管不了","edited":true,"reply_to":"q289e68d125f364cec4ce","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b1e67f5828c7f96eec6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q289e68d125f364cec4ce","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qdde493d8c3ed7f689b3c","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":103,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-06T16:13:49.495Z","text":"所以才有Bao Chu","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5b1e67f5828c7f96eec6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdde493d8c3ed7f689b3c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b1e67f5828c7f96eec6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q0f7d9eec189e83c1d3a5","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":104,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-06T16:16:04.218Z","text":"请说具体一点。\nBao Chu 出现的目的是什么？除了掺沙子，还有什么？她不是狂言要起诉司法部吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdde493d8c3ed7f689b3c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f7d9eec189e83c1d3a5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdde493d8c3ed7f689b3c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q0eea6b63cb751445487b","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":105,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-06T16:18:39.685Z","text":"配合盖尔，一阴一阳\n盖尔谈定罪后要钱的事儿\nBao Chu把造成损失的原因，往司法部冻结那里推\n帮忙喜交所洗白，掩护被冻结的原因，是余建明挪用客户储备金，导致的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0f7d9eec189e83c1d3a5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0eea6b63cb751445487b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f7d9eec189e83c1d3a5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qeb4a22efaadb2deeb1e8","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":106,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T16:20:44.734Z","text":"［用户 joh***］ 我想到一个事情","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb4a22efaadb2deeb1e8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q48f958e3d55ce014d914","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":107,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T16:21:22.949Z","text":"如果说 否认自己是郭受害人 反而说是政府受害人 那么你就没有和郭cvra一样的权利","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48f958e3d55ce014d914","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qcf2dcf7bf11e9a3014e8","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":108,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-06T16:22:39.613Z","text":"哄着韭菜们说我在帮你们要钱了，结果这钱实际上连渣都捞不到，全部都到了破产案的Luc和PAG了。对吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0eea6b63cb751445487b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf2dcf7bf11e9a3014e8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0eea6b63cb751445487b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qc77a336ac0da529bc2bb","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":109,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T16:22:46.031Z","text":"所以盖尔没有办法打程序问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc77a336ac0da529bc2bb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q56711d879ad602fe3fc5","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":110,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T16:22:54.303Z","text":"等于把6000人废了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56711d879ad602fe3fc5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q6590065ad1f9e64177d9","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":111,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-06T16:23:11.058Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc77a336ac0da529bc2bb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6590065ad1f9e64177d9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc77a336ac0da529bc2bb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q294a8bf68104ad6ac7fe","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":112,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-06T16:23:25.935Z","text":"就是这个目的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q294a8bf68104ad6ac7fe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q4c5294358dca97e12659","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":113,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-06T16:23:35.973Z","text":"维稳+利用","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c5294358dca97e12659","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q97baba121f541359f5e0","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":114,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T16:23:42.303Z","text":"听起来好听 不是郭受害人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97baba121f541359f5e0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qca202108019d07f62c80","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":115,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T16:23:57.179Z","text":"但实际上把他们可以翻案的工具没收了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca202108019d07f62c80","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qfcdd80c771277e435177","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":116,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-06T16:24:17.936Z","text":"实际上是在维稳，让这6000人觉得有律师在帮他们行动。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfcdd80c771277e435177","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q03cfcb31d35769ef49b4","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":117,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T16:24:24.073Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfcdd80c771277e435177","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03cfcb31d35769ef49b4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfcdd80c771277e435177","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qe24d2255a6982e0b6533","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":118,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-06T16:24:35.012Z","text":"［用户 spr***］ 看不看的懂，是自己的事儿\n都这个时候，还看不懂盖尔在案子的作用，就算了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe24d2255a6982e0b6533","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q32b76b26aa0e7ef4daf1","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":119,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-06T16:26:52.139Z","text":"就是管住6000人，不要跑出来自诉闹事","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfcdd80c771277e435177","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q32b76b26aa0e7ef4daf1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfcdd80c771277e435177","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q9c41538b0d2eba697758","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":120,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-06T16:27:28.894Z","text":"同时利用6000人，促成检方开没收remission","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c41538b0d2eba697758","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qceb9f37b9c75aeea0fce","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":121,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-06T16:28:36.013Z","text":"利用完，没收资产最后优先拿给破产案luc，这6000人，什么都没有，滥诉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qceb9f37b9c75aeea0fce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q1c6c10f4a16811368cac","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":122,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-06T16:29:14.817Z","text":"这就是中国人习惯的找爹文化。\n以前我也很相信联盟、相信组织的，觉得他们是坚定挺郭的、而且能力远远强过我这个个体。\n现在看来他们就是共匪的精税部队，但是也是一个纸老虎。我敢挑战他们所有人。我在推特上点名我所能想得出来的每一个人，却没有一个人敢回应的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q03cfcb31d35769ef49b4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c6c10f4a16811368cac","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03cfcb31d35769ef49b4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qf1669ddbb32caf09bf0d","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":123,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T16:32:09.211Z","text":"能打爆检方的只有我们","edited":false,"reply_to":"qae5d33bb69fa9a9fbcdc","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1669ddbb32caf09bf0d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q0ab523c5f610c0128641","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":124,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-06T16:37:32.369Z","text":"盖尔6000上去，目的就是给检方当抓手，把对冻结财产的处理方式，可以引向没收程序","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ab523c5f610c0128641","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qb2d0552f28cb73d8bf27","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":125,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-06T16:39:10.813Z","text":"再因为资金结构混乱，冻结资产，会优先分给破产案luc的优先债权人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2d0552f28cb73d8bf27","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q0443fc4d6dc7a262ab24","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":126,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T16:42:32.476Z","text":"真正对郭文贵有用的 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安小东嘛","edited":true,"reply_to":"q85531a564092178fb90d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1f14a15d56e5d52fe40","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85531a564092178fb90d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q6608be03d9a274d06bef","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":130,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T16:45:03.739Z","text":"哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf1f14a15d56e5d52fe40","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6608be03d9a274d06bef","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1f14a15d56e5d52fe40","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q3b18cd88b2573c14ff12","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":131,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T16:45:09.735Z","text":"他的洋爹盖尔","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf1f14a15d56e5d52fe40","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b18cd88b2573c14ff12","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1f14a15d56e5d52fe40","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qa896651a5c730a099998","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":132,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T16:45:14.642Z","text":"就是这样","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa896651a5c730a099998","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qaf60d37d6498d99ea052","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":133,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T16:45:34.233Z","text":"破处上来打程序问题 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估计安小东，也叛变了\n和屁酱一样，都开始甩锅给上海帮\nhttps://x.com/anxiaodong777/status/2085285176439910754?s=46","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf753b69c2367f52ea9e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q0abb2adae11731895bed","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":142,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-06T17:11:04.691Z","text":"中国出台出入境新规，不知道大陆投资人算没算做因犯罪限制出境的范围\n\nhttps://x.com/dayangelcp/status/2085148898642006260?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0abb2adae11731895bed","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qbbc214da325481ed8ea1","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":143,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-06T17:13:41.981Z","text":"你是半路出家，从头好好看看，结合当时的情况，盖尔是典型的说人话不办人事","edited":false,"reply_to":"q28b5e13d0062bf534fc3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbbc214da325481ed8ea1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28b5e13d0062bf534fc3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qc16a550d2fe13d2d0f15","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":144,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-06T17:15:01.093Z","text":"跟你说几遍478了，自己去看啊，我记得是某页的注脚里小字写的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbf7b974566379160aa8f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc16a550d2fe13d2d0f15","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf7b974566379160aa8f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q2ba8da415e08054e991a","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":145,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-06T17:15:48.692Z","text":"她是半路来的，对前期的案情讨论不清楚","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb4edc26288442e21cc6a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ba8da415e08054e991a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4edc26288442e21cc6a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qb370deda456ce41245a7","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":146,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-08-06T17:16:30.342Z","text":"这次，老郭要的是政府律师。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb370deda456ce41245a7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qc0e08a6fb1358ffdffff","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":147,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T17:18:05.804Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge3/status/2085415062932762790?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0e08a6fb1358ffdffff","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q229ab8895651d9641b71","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":148,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T17:29:15.595Z","text":"[删节：成员身份] 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再牛逼有我们牛逼？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q229ab8895651d9641b71","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4e9336777d7dc6d015fc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q229ab8895651d9641b71","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q40affebbd70d034dac15","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":150,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-06T17:36:24.173Z","text":"是不是意味着上诉律师安排好了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9074dd8158e7cccea063","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40affebbd70d034dac15","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9074dd8158e7cccea063","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qee53081d5ccbb4f99c7b","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":151,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T17:37:03.371Z","text":"而且确认是联邦辩护部门 很牛逼","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee53081d5ccbb4f99c7b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qf87f630b21946cc4cb8f","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":152,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T17:37:11.659Z","text":"不是普通的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf87f630b21946cc4cb8f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q6d91667e66ab133226c2","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":153,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-06T17:38:02.205Z","text":"要钱只有两条路，牢底坐穿和无罪释放，无罪释放拿回钱可能性更大，拿回的更多 ［用户 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这些律师都很强","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50c59b2f3f3af18050a3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q683a2d2378af72305ce3","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":155,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-08-06T18:56:37.796Z","text":"以后是分钱，和要钱是两个概念","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6d91667e66ab133226c2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q683a2d2378af72305ce3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d91667e66ab133226c2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q43d05518e154d5f58915","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":156,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-06T19:15:09.200Z","text":"对，牢底坐穿是分钱，但是骗子们分钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"q683a2d2378af72305ce3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43d05518e154d5f58915","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q683a2d2378af72305ce3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q0442a94e2300fad12d5d","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":157,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-08-06T20:07:26.429Z","text":"我的理解是郭无罪，分钱，投资回报。并不是现在的要钱和联盟那帮骗子分钱的套路……","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0442a94e2300fad12d5d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qe51240e0a1b993e66d20","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":158,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-06T20:22:39.031Z","text":"自己也用CVRA有什么资格说别人，你们说盖尔用了CVRA这跟安小东说我们用了CVRA一样的吧,而且盖尔的事对定罪没任何影响，对量刑没任何影响，但是却转移注意力从LUC,检方，托雷斯那边，找些不知所云的来打","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb4edc26288442e21cc6a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe51240e0a1b993e66d20","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4edc26288442e21cc6a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qdaae2f9dc85cd5a1883a","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":159,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-06T20:22:49.777Z","text":"没罪分啥钱，首先政府解封，然后要么退款，要么继续投资，还有一部分得继续找骗子要钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0442a94e2300fad12d5d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdaae2f9dc85cd5a1883a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0442a94e2300fad12d5d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q20133de768733af7754b","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":160,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T20:23:19.443Z","text":"如果第三方不上去 盖尔那六千人足够判刑50年","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe51240e0a1b993e66d20","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20133de768733af7754b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe51240e0a1b993e66d20","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q61970123c52f366b2772","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":161,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-06T20:24:44.679Z","text":"盖尔早就说LUC和检方勾结了早就打检方了，你凭什么说他和检方合作呢","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdaebbab6e194efd59a8f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61970123c52f366b2772","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdaebbab6e194efd59a8f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qa94c15bef8c4959e58ff","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":162,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T20:24:44.902Z","text":"检方现在量刑没有用受害者 是因为螺丝哥把检方受害者框架打废了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa94c15bef8c4959e58ff","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q930b44a09dab24a82e3b","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":163,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-06T20:24:46.080Z","text":"盖尔导致检方做实了几千受害人要钱，老郭被定罪。等第三方再上对定罪没有任何影响了，第三方是以受害人身份去打程序不正义","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe51240e0a1b993e66d20","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q930b44a09dab24a82e3b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe51240e0a1b993e66d20","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qd9b630eae02ffc26f0cb","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":164,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T20:25:12.036Z","text":"本来这个案子没什么受害者 你盖尔到好 白送上来","edited":false,"reply_to":"q61970123c52f366b2772","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd9b630eae02ffc26f0cb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61970123c52f366b2772","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q3a2c858eda5257ad697b","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":165,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T20:25:33.750Z","text":"这些投资人怎么联系的盖尔","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a2c858eda5257ad697b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q52209aadd4a258b34662","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":166,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T20:25:45.773Z","text":"全都是欺诈 +共谋犯伙同的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q52209aadd4a258b34662","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qb51da6634127c0afd901","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":167,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-06T20:26:21.225Z","text":"身份一样，做的事完全不同，起到的作用截然相反","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb51da6634127c0afd901","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qf7a4ffdd984fd9625f68","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":168,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T20:29:00.936Z","text":"盖尔就是演戏 + 最后给检方送受害者 真人名单","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7a4ffdd984fd9625f68","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q2e4be1d1974782ab1228","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":169,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-06T21:48:59.791Z","text":"这个案子检方曾经说“thousands of victims”.\n\n由于第三方搅局， 盖儿6000人 成不了受害者了。 并且辩方在其834陈述中把这6千纳入了否认受害者行列","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e4be1d1974782ab1228","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qc2dc97623a33988a06a7","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":170,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-06T21:56:26.567Z","text":"但是，要注意，这是辩方的一厢情愿","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2e4be1d1974782ab1228","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2dc97623a33988a06a7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e4be1d1974782ab1228","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qecf9e5f63552e19e102b","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":171,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-06T21:56:48.401Z","text":"前面我说了，6000人被做局了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qecf9e5f63552e19e102b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q13b54079a9d285c45df8","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":172,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-06T22:30:04.893Z","text":"检方起诉书都没说过余建明挪用客户储备金，只说在政府扣押后余试图转款4700万，你这个挪用从哪看到的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0eea6b63cb751445487b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q13b54079a9d285c45df8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0eea6b63cb751445487b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q8fcbc9634b0184e58e25","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":173,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-06T22:44:22.910Z","text":"它跟那群诈骗犯统一口径说要起诉司法部，然后才能骗取人们对其授权，然后你还要维护它。这不没做到，这叫恶意欺骗。它要介入郭案，至少得再视频中说清楚，视频里说的跟合同条款不这样，就是恶意欺骗。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q50beffb776b67ac6d8ef","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8fcbc9634b0184e58e25","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50beffb776b67ac6d8ef","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qbb9101cef5c0da5361a4","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":174,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-06T22:45:23.608Z","text":"你在胡说八道什么？我要钱郭就得死？我一直在说盖尔打LUC和检方打得很好你就扯到我目的是要钱去了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q68800816d6a58555a321","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb9101cef5c0da5361a4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q384cc5b237482cdfa281","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":175,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2026-08-06T23:06:15.071Z","text":"https://x.com/frankspaladin/status/2085497557271314759?","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q384cc5b237482cdfa281","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q09c4647b1f05a571bdfe","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":176,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-08-06T23:25:53.150Z","text":"https://x.com/baoliaogeming/status/2085507568160710999?s=20","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q09c4647b1f05a571bdfe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q17467f1a4d88bbfe2ef8","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":177,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-06T23:35:11.478Z","text":"拿死工资的律师能有多强，我就不信能干的律师会去那里","edited":false,"reply_to":"q50c59b2f3f3af18050a3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q17467f1a4d88bbfe2ef8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50c59b2f3f3af18050a3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q747da1449743d566f0d5","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":178,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T23:38:19.694Z","text":"federal defender是很强的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q17467f1a4d88bbfe2ef8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q747da1449743d566f0d5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q17467f1a4d88bbfe2ef8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q7ca32038f10775f78eaa","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":179,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-06T23:38:40.790Z","text":"盖尔不就是要求政府解封退款，能被你们骂几年，你们自己就可以","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdaae2f9dc85cd5a1883a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7ca32038f10775f78eaa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdaae2f9dc85cd5a1883a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qe59d123700d484bda2e5","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":180,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T23:38:46.786Z","text":"但肯定没我们强","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe59d123700d484bda2e5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qe93ce12dd885bc7a01b6","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":181,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-06T23:42:17.074Z","text":"检方最后也只说50个受害者，况且检方有喜交所所有流水纪录，你以为检方不知道喜交所有几千客户？没看到盖尔的事对郭有任何坏的影响，反而他打luc和检方的那些内容留在了法庭纪录里，自诉人没有任何人有水平写得出那些陈述","edited":false,"reply_to":"q930b44a09dab24a82e3b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe93ce12dd885bc7a01b6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q930b44a09dab24a82e3b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q66045c0f33bee6264122","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":182,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-06T23:44:02.891Z","text":"請問檢方的哪份文件？多少編號？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q13b54079a9d285c45df8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66045c0f33bee6264122","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q13b54079a9d285c45df8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qfce7551567bd68f7df49","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":183,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T23:44:23.209Z","text":"如果没有螺丝哥 瑞恩733 你七哥就是6000受害者 检方会要求盖尔六千人归为受害者 因为受害者众多 要求托雷斯重刑 托雷斯当然同意","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe93ce12dd885bc7a01b6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfce7551567bd68f7df49","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe93ce12dd885bc7a01b6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qf99b0cca2b266659165e","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":184,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T23:44:33.741Z","text":"最少50年","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe93ce12dd885bc7a01b6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf99b0cca2b266659165e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe93ce12dd885bc7a01b6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q672d18165dfea236f55f","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":185,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T23:48:20.635Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 你居然认为盖尔文件写得好 盖尔这个[屏蔽词]的文件 虚假陈述 造谣诽谤 我还没跟他算账","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q672d18165dfea236f55f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qbcf11fff0937b179d417","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":186,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T23:48:45.036Z","text":"盖尔就是个小丑我没必要跟他计较 他的段位太低了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbcf11fff0937b179d417","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q24ddf74f746630ad231b","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":187,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-06T23:54:19.952Z","text":"检方不知道投资人有几千人吗？非得要盖尔出现了才知道？                                                                                                         从 2020 年 4 月 20 日左右到 2020 年 6 月 2 日左\n右，据称价值约 4.52 亿美元的 GTV 普通股被出售给位于美\n国（包括纽约南区）和国外的 5500 多名投资者。投资者参\n与 GTV 私募，部分原因是相信他们的钱将被投资到 GTV，\n以发展和壮大该业务，正如 PPM 所承诺的那样。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q66045c0f33bee6264122","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q24ddf74f746630ad231b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66045c0f33bee6264122","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qe84113b6bc7339d37fb4","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":188,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T23:54:56.872Z","text":"检方知不知道 和他有没有抓手 是两回事","edited":false,"reply_to":"q24ddf74f746630ad231b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe84113b6bc7339d37fb4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q24ddf74f746630ad231b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q0c435ffd298601727a3c","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":189,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T23:55:08.011Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]  知道 和你把人带上来 是两回事","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c435ffd298601727a3c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qa82fae055c5e5cd24ad8","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":190,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-08-06T23:55:31.772Z","text":"那你让检方拿出来啊！\n你可以写法庭文件，二巡，你让检方拿出来，让世人欣赏一下","edited":false,"reply_to":"q24ddf74f746630ad231b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa82fae055c5e5cd24ad8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q24ddf74f746630ad231b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qf9976c21c537a7a770dd","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":191,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-06T23:58:46.091Z","text":"检方知道这个案子 托雷斯根本就没有裁量权 但是知道 和tony背着卷宗上二巡 是两回事","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf9976c21c537a7a770dd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qa91b562802b43305ade2","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":192,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-07T00:00:49.897Z","text":"好几份文件有提，你看看文件7有没有，或者几份起诉 书  19","edited":false,"reply_to":"q66045c0f33bee6264122","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa91b562802b43305ade2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66045c0f33bee6264122","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q2a5b6a86c2c0210b14d3","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":193,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-07T00:05:23.494Z","text":"大家集中精力研究研究郭律师上任后， 出了main brief 后 我们该如何出击吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a5b6a86c2c0210b14d3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q48cb46628706bf333ef0","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":194,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2026-08-07T00:05:41.518Z","text":"https://x.com/mubeitech/status/2085499391184380282?","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48cb46628706bf333ef0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qf165d0f5ecb8a392c0f9","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":195,"speaker":"nev***","date":"2026-08-07T00:06:31.034Z","text":"上诉的主管和整个机构的主管都是自由派的，而且有明显的中国背景啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf165d0f5ecb8a392c0f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q3241fbd44bd801388eaf","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":196,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-07T00:15:56.944Z","text":"第三方还有硬仗要打。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3241fbd44bd801388eaf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q2c2f10588c36fc68fe52","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":197,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-07T00:16:20.353Z","text":"可能郭先生没有选择吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf165d0f5ecb8a392c0f9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c2f10588c36fc68fe52","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf165d0f5ecb8a392c0f9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qda3623e25e39d5144c7f","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":198,"speaker":"hlz***","date":"2026-08-07T00:18:42.890Z","text":"前律师提议会通过么？七哥有反对权吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda3623e25e39d5144c7f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q9dc66564d2e945180fb6","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":199,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-07T00:21:34.850Z","text":"即使反对， 有什么别的选项吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9dc66564d2e945180fb6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q1781406f801a014a9bf0","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":200,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-08-07T00:30:36.969Z","text":"还有三天时间，新律师团队只需要写一份上诉申请就可以了吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1781406f801a014a9bf0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000142","next_batch_id":"batch-000144"}