{"id":"batch-000143","number":143,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-08-06T14:34:35.575Z","date_end":"2026-08-09T00:50:49.852Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 143 (Aug 6, 2026 – Aug 9, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Batch 143 (Aug 6, 2026 to Aug 9, 2026, 1000 messages) shows a divided thread on the Guo matter. Participants dispute whether Gaer’s move into the second-cycle criminal process is tactical opportunism or a rights-driven restitution strategy, and whether Dkt. 478 and Dkt. 676 reflect mixed theories under 21 U.S.C. §§853(i), 853(n), 18 U.S.C. §3771, and Rule 41(g). They also argue over third-party identity, filing timing, and the interaction of criminal forfeiture with bankruptcy issues involving HCHK, Trustee Luc Despins, and 9019 settlement mechanics. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"Starting-point dispute: why Gaer entered the Guo case and whether the litigation aim was misdirected","description":"Participants argue over Gaer’s transition into the Guo case, with some contending it was a legitimate step to pursue funds and others contesting that it should have been a separate application for asset unfreezing; this dispute frames the whole thread. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q1f77bec344e4e919be2d","qeb1daae8b2b849c04e86","q7acd09bfdf5ed1899387"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q1f77bec344e4e919be2d","summary_en":"ntp*** says Gaer entered the Guo case after suing Luc for money and framing it around refund relief, while alleging the prosecution claimed thousands of victims, and argues this detour was puzzling because no separate DOJ suit was filed. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qeb1daae8b2b849c04e86","summary_en":"ntp*** says Dkt. 478 was the point where CVRA was cited and that Gaer only raised Luc once before dropping it, and contends the cleaner path would have been a separate unfreezing case rather than moving into the Guo file. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q7acd09bfdf5ed1899387","summary_en":"ntp*** questions why Gaer insists on a government-victim framing while also invoking CVRA in the Guo case, arguing that this dual positioning appears unstable. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"CVRA route and victim-status language become a persistent flashpoint, especially around whether early-motion drafting proves identity claims","description":"Participants contend that the meaning of victim status under CVRA is being overstated, while others claim the government filing language provides a basis for that framing; the group disputes how much this matters in a criminal-restoration strategy. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q9ef9a09305a03661c4dc","q062bb954987d81e0d4b9","qf747ca3788ace2b25522"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q9ef9a09305a03661c4dc","summary_en":"spr*** argues that suing Luc for money is not itself improper because others also seek money, disputes claims that a DOJ lawsuit was promised, and says a DOJ suit was unlikely due sovereign immunity while the motion text presents a victim posture. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q062bb954987d81e0d4b9","summary_en":"spr*** insists the contract language did not mention suing DOJ or stock transfer commitments, disputing any inference that those claims were contractually required in the filing. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf747ca3788ace2b25522","summary_en":"spr*** cites the Government’s March 2023 motion under 18 U.S.C. §3771 as stating that asset seizure made the petitioners victims, and argues this supports the CVRA framing. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Third-party status, prosecutorial handling, and court focus form a second line of disagreement","description":"Participants claim the court posture is that investor labels are less important than property adjudication, while others focus on the filings and argue third-party rights cannot be reduced to broad victim labels. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qcc22e5fce1e876f20f14","qce74ec10c9d0c0ae1f9a","q2f293bd76ee5cd2c2cae"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qcc22e5fce1e876f20f14","summary_en":"spr*** argues the forum should not be fixated on who is a legal victim, suggesting the court’s practical focus is broader and may treat all investors similarly. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qce74ec10c9d0c0ae1f9a","summary_en":"spr*** repeats the same point, contending that victim-status disputes are legally unproductive because the court can treat investors as harmed parties in aggregate. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q2f293bd76ee5cd2c2cae","summary_en":"q2f293bd76ee5cd2c2cae is simply cited as Dkt. 478, with participants invoking it as the key filing in the third-party route debate. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Whether 6000/8000 claimants can be represented as one bloc: authorization, contract limits, and counsel capacity are repeatedly challenged","description":"Participants contest whether Gaer was empowered to represent a large investor cohort in criminal court, arguing over cross-forum authority and whether prior civil-SEC framing can be extended into the criminal restitution posture. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q7e26d28853ccc98ddc07","q17c8a307b1614c73cc74","q15652e6f0ca117611c6e"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q7e26d28853ccc98ddc07","summary_en":"joh*** questions whether Gaer exceeded authority by shifting from civil representation in a 6000-client SEC matter to acting as counsel in the criminal case. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q17c8a307b1614c73cc74","summary_en":"joh*** asks whether the 6000 investors actually consented to Guo-case representation, disputing whether collective authorization was explicit. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q15652e6f0ca117611c6e","summary_en":"joh*** says Gaer did not pursue the SEC civil route himself, arguing this weakens claims about continuity of representation. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Parallel arguments over §853(n) and §853(i): is the immediate objective money return or first clearing standing and procedural gates?","description":"Participants dispute a binary framing of Gaer as only §853(n) and claim his filings mix mechanisms; others still argue that without clear standing and filing position, any money path is vulnerable to procedural defeat. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qc477cf6b6cd0ccd45006","q6172d333083d4bd82269","q66a2cd3361d7b65678e5"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qc477cf6b6cd0ccd45006","summary_en":"him*** explains in detail that §853(i) is an administrative remission route, §853(n) is an ancillary judicial property proceeding, and CVRA §3771 is separate, then contends Gaer’s Dkt. 478 and Dkt. 676 repeatedly combine these theories with constructive-trust and tracing claims instead of a single-track approach. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q6172d333083d4bd82269","summary_en":"him*** argues that earlier Rule 41(g)-style property-only positioning was strategically stronger, while later financial-victim language in Dkt. 478 gave the government a rhetorical opening, and warns that “financial victims” wording does not establish each client’s factual loss theory. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q66a2cd3361d7b65678e5","summary_en":"joh*** claims that when criminal §853n distribution is reached, creditors in bankruptcy could already absorb much value (he cites a 14 billion figure), contending that this weakens expectations for direct claimant recovery. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Criminal forfeiture and bankruptcy are treated as competing frameworks, with Trustee authority and distribution order hotly contested","description":"Participants contest whether criminal forfeiture proceeds must be insulated for victim restitution or are vulnerable to bankruptcy priority claims, while others claim the government retains decisive control in forfeiture administration and the two systems only partially overlap. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q3578d04fc8b2ef6a1c6c","q776d748561273293c634","qc0201d98d8baf1cd2caf"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q3578d04fc8b2ef6a1c6c","summary_en":"hel*** argues that forfeited criminal funds are not automatically subordinated to Trustee Luc Despins, describes coordination between DOJ and the Trustee, and claims victim-protection channels are intended to shield investors from general bankruptcy distribution. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q776d748561273293c634","summary_en":"joh*** warns that once matters enter the government forfeiture framework, practical discretion lies with DOJ, and disputes claims of automatic civil-priority treatment by noting the government can characterize outcomes under §853(i). Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qc0201d98d8baf1cd2caf","summary_en":"hel*** reiterates that bankruptcy is civil while Guo’s fraud matter is criminal, underscoring the debated separation between debtor-creditor process and criminal sanction mechanisms. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Second-appeal timeline disputes: whether deadlines and supplemental filing windows still allow late claims","description":"Participants dispute whether supplemental motions are still viable after deadline events, with some citing a clocked-out period and others questioning whether counsel capacity limits justify process resets. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q96c500d510bf018d8e22","qdb8e0439235bf0d94be1","q13ea84ca211ba2c48c4e"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q96c500d510bf018d8e22","summary_en":"kir*** says the prior claim was no longer valid under current procedural context, contesting that the argued window still opens the same way. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qdb8e0439235bf0d94be1","summary_en":"kir*** bluntly states that the countdown has ended, presenting timing as a decisive procedural barrier. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q13ea84ca211ba2c48c4e","summary_en":"nev*** questions whether firms may have acknowledged inability to process too many files, using that practical note to challenge assumptions about admissible late procedural moves. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Evidence baseline dispute: whether filings and motions alone support claims or whether chat speculation overextends the record","description":"Participants claim the record should be grounded in filings and filings language, while others argue that forum participants are overfitting screenshots, contracts, and inferences beyond admissible evidence. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q50beffb776b67ac6d8ef","q5fd836b000ac36aa3938","q1829ad7e4bbc61da4ba5"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q50beffb776b67ac6d8ef","summary_en":"spr*** challenges claims drawn from contract disputes without video evidence, arguing that selective use of Guo’s statements can amount to over-accusation rather than proof. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q5fd836b000ac36aa3938","summary_en":"kir*** says Gaer never explicitly stated the disputed legal basis, and this uncertainty is used to question broad interpretive leaps. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1829ad7e4bbc61da4ba5","summary_en":"spr*** says he relies on court documents only and disputes loose extrapolation from unverified group chatter. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Counsel turnover and appeal expectation shift: withdrawal and new federal-appointee plans trigger route recalibration","description":"Participants dispute whether the change in representation alters strategic posture, with one side seeing it as ordinary, and another using it as a signal that appeals and argument structure may now change materially. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q9074dd8158e7cccea063","q178c939d793b69fe28d7","qf87f630b21946cc4cb8f"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q9074dd8158e7cccea063","summary_en":"kir*** reports that the old Guo defense attorney withdrew, introducing uncertainty over continuity in strategy. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q178c939d793b69fe28d7","summary_en":"kir*** says designation of attorney CJA is being formally stated, with participants treating this as a potentially substantive strategic shift. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf87f630b21946cc4cb8f","summary_en":"kir*** remarks that the new configuration is not an ordinary substitution, implying the transition could change how arguments are positioned. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"HCHK asset disposition and Dkt. 9019 settlement: is it lawful recovery or procedural overreach blocking others?","description":"Participants dispute whether the HCHK-related transfer and settlement are proper claims administration under bankruptcy authorities or a block against broader investor demands, focusing on the role of assignee Brian Hofmeister and a Rule 9019 framework. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q34df15749865021ef43d","qf9267483b3904f6867ec","q6a00e72f954f52c66773"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q34df15749865021ef43d","summary_en":"spr*** summarizes the HCHK adversary proceeding, noting Trustee Luc A. Despins’ claims that HCHK entities are alter egos, and identifies a bankruptcy Rule 9019 motion seeking approval of a settlement that transfers roughly $38.83 million before final judgment. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf9267483b3904f6867ec","summary_en":"spr*** details that assignee Brian Hofmeister was appointed in an assignment framework with authority to manage HCHK assets and litigation, then settled with the Trustee to transfer controlled funds and shape future claims. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q6a00e72f954f52c66773","summary_en":"spr*** says the assignee is the one executing the transfer to Luc’s account and disputes the narrative that this was HCHK-creditor intervention blocking recovery, calling contrary claims rumor-like. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Later discussion becomes politicized and ideological, weakening procedural consensus","description":"Participants claim money-recovery and procedural coordination were diluted as political and religious framing increased, with competing narratives disputing each side’s motives and hardening factional conflict. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qfcb0d153c355976ab921","qdeefbe21ed2b45640cee","qf5041900c82ded72e883"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qfcb0d153c355976ab921","summary_en":"him*** cites Guo’s repeated claim that profits are for loss reimbursement, and participants use this as a backdrop to argue no one should claim gains. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qdeefbe21ed2b45640cee","summary_en":"him*** claims the group simultaneously seeks compensation and anti-CCP positioning, suggesting motive narratives are now driving interpretations of legal debate. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf5041900c82ded72e883","summary_en":"may*** counters by labeling another participant a communist cult follower, showing ideological attacks replacing procedural discussion. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"“Money-first” versus procedure-first: which track is truly dominant in community strategy","description":"Participants claim both recovery and procedural compliance are necessary, while others dispute whether prioritizing endless process challenges delays enforcement or protects standing and claim viability over immediate payouts. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q0443fc4d6dc7a262ab24","q730d8be6acf268f5d604","qf21cc06e124885a32879"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q0443fc4d6dc7a262ab24","summary_en":"kir*** argues that pursuing funds and procedural defects is not contradictory because without money recovery there is no standing, so both tracks should proceed together. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q730d8be6acf268f5d604","summary_en":"kir*** says an 853n money-seeking position is itself a procedural issue and claims ignoring it while sentencing may itself be challenged as a process defect. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf21cc06e124885a32879","summary_en":"ntp*** questions the prior framing, indicating a live dispute over whether the money-first stance is being overplayed in the group. Community statements, not court 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普通债权人\n8.9亿，破产案不够分","edited":false,"reply_to":"qce8245367a22fa6b97cd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe375cbcc6f95cd974eec","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce8245367a22fa6b97cd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qe5c46f2296ab595928a6","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":415,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-07T10:53:16.084Z","text":"是的，由於在下愚蠢，所以賠錢了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q834a0700cda333ceb5d9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5c46f2296ab595928a6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q834a0700cda333ceb5d9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qf6eeaa4287175ed9a62c","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":416,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T10:56:36.634Z","text":"检方处置没收资产的时候，不认盖尔这6000是受害者，只算853i，连853n善意投资者，都不算","edited":false,"reply_to":"qce8245367a22fa6b97cd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6eeaa4287175ed9a62c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce8245367a22fa6b97cd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q51a97222b2e1533cde29","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":417,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-07T10:57:35.704Z","text":"算你有自知之明","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe5c46f2296ab595928a6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q51a97222b2e1533cde29","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5c46f2296ab595928a6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q6856939a79f7b332228c","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":418,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-07T10:57:55.594Z","text":"以后不要贪了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6856939a79f7b332228c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qbe39212f20274cd3ecb3","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":419,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-07T10:58:22.553Z","text":"破壞案追的是老郭名下的資產，或疑似其他人幫老郭代持的資產，是要搶老郭個人的資產。\n\n\n現在政府沒收的受害人投資者的資產不屬於老郭，最多算非法所得的詐騙款，不會混同老郭的個人資產。走另外一條線的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe375cbcc6f95cd974eec","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe39212f20274cd3ecb3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe375cbcc6f95cd974eec","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qe93237ae93ffaee7e9aa","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":420,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-07T10:58:51.253Z","text":"超越比特币 笑死","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe93237ae93ffaee7e9aa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q33e6f1683e772dd2d4aa","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":421,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-07T10:59:36.596Z","text":"用853n 要钱的standing打程序问题，也是可以的，但是是同归于尽的打法。 853n 就是被告定罪 量刑后 你的钱，法庭要判给你。 这是你的standing。 但如果你用这个standing，打程序问题，因为没有考虑你的853n 导致流入变成损失的程序问题，要求废除量刑，那么等于是你用853n的这张门票，进门后，你说，我要把全场都炸毁，钱我也不要了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33e6f1683e772dd2d4aa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qcf7f1ccd8f0a5e11892d","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":422,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T10:59:57.860Z","text":"alter ego 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但进门后 你说：钱我不要了 我进来就是要炸毁全场。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb11ab8a748aa4dc5368b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qa1a6077c1abee4e3a63c","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":428,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-07T11:03:11.731Z","text":"如果在托雷斯那里 这样的853n肯定被驳回。 但是在二巡那里完全就变样了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb11ab8a748aa4dc5368b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1a6077c1abee4e3a63c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb11ab8a748aa4dc5368b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qa79a74023e258804dd29","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":429,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T11:04:33.427Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 安小东拦着，不让炸","edited":true,"reply_to":"qb11ab8a748aa4dc5368b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa79a74023e258804dd29","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb11ab8a748aa4dc5368b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qbfb86af43aab1e7c51dc","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":430,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T11:05:08.319Z","text":"流量密码 风向标\n［用户 him***］ 安小东的，黄推都不去","edited":true,"reply_to":"qaacb6bcd3566fa6ec9bc","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfb86af43aab1e7c51dc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qeefc19bb40b6d528c81c","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":431,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-07T11:05:09.177Z","text":"自诉人通过853n上二巡 至少说明了一个事实： 托雷斯没有充分考虑853n的情况下就冲量刑 这本身就是严重问题。 853n在二巡的意义 已经不是单纯要钱，而是托雷斯程序违规的产物","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeefc19bb40b6d528c81c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q58fe49814f12f5a9e855","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":432,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-07T11:06:01.605Z","text":"［用户 chu***］  所以你说的精神病打法 一旦到二巡 现在真的能打动程序问题","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58fe49814f12f5a9e855","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q4c4b758359b26c28679a","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":433,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-07T11:06:35.852Z","text":"天天要沒用，也要按程序去走流程。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q76c3f7e6447bf6c47f55","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c4b758359b26c28679a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76c3f7e6447bf6c47f55","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q123680834f2faaca5f70","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":434,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T11:06:55.889Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 的意义，就是拦着，不让853n闹程序问题","edited":true,"reply_to":"q58fe49814f12f5a9e855","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q123680834f2faaca5f70","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58fe49814f12f5a9e855","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qb5b59aacb42872e2d92f","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":435,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T11:07:18.098Z","text":"同时更拦着不要用CVRA","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5b59aacb42872e2d92f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qafb98ad1188b076b421d","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":436,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-07T11:07:42.545Z","text":"分析：\n1. “托雷斯没有充分考虑§853(n)就冲量刑” —— 这个判断成立\n•  大量第三方在量刑前就提交了§853(n)申请，主张独立财产权利。\n•  南区长期未正式入卷、未举行ancillary hearing、未对这些权利主张作出书面裁定。\n•  在这些问题未解决的情况下直接推进量刑和初步没收令，确实构成程序上的重大争议。\n•  二巡如果认定地方法院在存在大量未决第三方权利主张的情况下仓促量刑，可能构成滥用裁量权或正当程序问题。\n2. “§853(n)在二巡的意义已经不只是要钱，而是托雷斯程序违规的产物” —— 这个理解也很准确\n•  对很多自诉人来说，最初提交§853(n)的目的确实是保护自己的财产权利。\n•  但当这些申请被长期压制、不入卷、不处理时，问题就从“财产权争议”升级成了程序正义问题。\n•  现在在二巡提出相关强制令或异议，核心已经不只是“把钱要回来”，而是：\n    •  地方法院是否履行了审查第三方权利的义务；\n    •  量刑和没收程序是否建立在完整、可审查的记录之上；\n    •  是否存在系统性忽视第三方权利的程序缺陷。\n总结： 你的说法方向正确。§853(n)在二巡的意义，已经从单纯的财产救济，扩展到了对一审程序完整性的挑战。它成为证明“托雷斯在未充分处理第三方权利的情况下推进量刑”的重要证据链条之一。\n这比单纯“要钱”更有上诉价值，也更可能引起二巡对程序问题的关注。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qeefc19bb40b6d528c81c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qafb98ad1188b076b421d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeefc19bb40b6d528c81c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q924a58ac7af5502887d7","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":437,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-07T11:07:46.663Z","text":"他说第三方只能谈钱 ［用户 him***］  你全家被砍死也只能谈钱","edited":true,"reply_to":"q123680834f2faaca5f70","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q924a58ac7af5502887d7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q123680834f2faaca5f70","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q55bbd4c2cd1d37b6d9ae","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":438,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-07T11:08:58.259Z","text":"［用户 chu***］  所以现在853n不止要钱了 也可以打程序问题 但前提是 你必须做好准备上二巡","edited":true,"reply_to":"qafb98ad1188b076b421d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55bbd4c2cd1d37b6d9ae","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qafb98ad1188b076b421d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qa05da6ca11f63620312e","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":439,"speaker":"nin***","date":"2026-08-07T11:11:30.922Z","text":"必须的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q55bbd4c2cd1d37b6d9ae","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa05da6ca11f63620312e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55bbd4c2cd1d37b6d9ae","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q2a5a57d2cce7ce0850a2","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":440,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-07T11:13:28.137Z","text":"赢麻了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a5a57d2cce7ce0850a2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q8a4b4acb621baf69796a","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":441,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T11:15:17.811Z","text":"意思就是，853n也要去二巡掀桌子","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a4b4acb621baf69796a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q9c8ac56fee8dfb73b21f","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":442,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T11:15:33.773Z","text":"853n 在南区会被玩儿死","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c8ac56fee8dfb73b21f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q9e980202327b158b71f4","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":443,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T11:16:02.122Z","text":"盖尔那6000，已经弄成里外不是人\n不算受害者，也不是853n，最后毛都没\n这也是 ［用户 him***］ 安小东把盖尔当爹的原因，维稳6000人，保没收，优先给破产案","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e980202327b158b71f4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q85d733fd1c1903b91b71","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":444,"speaker":"nin***","date":"2026-08-07T11:19:55.835Z","text":"所以这帮人被联盟诈骗犯们筐在笼子里洗脑和跟他们继续诈骗犯罪。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9e980202327b158b71f4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85d733fd1c1903b91b71","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e980202327b158b71f4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q33eeafb49ad5fe7b0c7a","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":445,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-07T11:20:00.202Z","text":"所以，那6000人必須先跟蓋爾解除合約。\n然後，自訴上二巡，才有可能拿回錢。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9e980202327b158b71f4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33eeafb49ad5fe7b0c7a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e980202327b158b71f4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q7b73a744a59af6581e1f","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":446,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T11:21:21.480Z","text":"掀桌子 案子重审 再分开起诉","edited":false,"reply_to":"q33eeafb49ad5fe7b0c7a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b73a744a59af6581e1f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33eeafb49ad5fe7b0c7a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q4d525f7c873948c032da","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":447,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T11:21:33.275Z","text":"喜交所找喜交所CEO","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d525f7c873948c032da","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q08b04af5ffa62b3852ea","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":448,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T11:21:46.159Z","text":"农场项目找长岛","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08b04af5ffa62b3852ea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qe43032a18c5bbf78bc85","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":449,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T11:22:47.821Z","text":"不能用alter ego把G系列都框到郭头上","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe43032a18c5bbf78bc85","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q6422f6a267381a068c3a","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":450,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T11:23:46.818Z","text":"alter ego的目的，就是把所有资产，算到郭个人，再结合11章破产程序，给优先债权人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6422f6a267381a068c3a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q5361d2bcacffc10ce5f0","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":451,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T11:24:52.609Z","text":"傻子已经不多了，继续跟风的，无非是300骨干，拿了脏钱有案底的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q85d733fd1c1903b91b71","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5361d2bcacffc10ce5f0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85d733fd1c1903b91b71","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q8ef2315782aca358e249","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":452,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-07T11:41:13.852Z","text":"很多人理解不了明明是自己的投资款，为何它们程序上能做到用虚假债权给你分了。首先是那些[屏蔽词]的任性枉法，如果守法，案子都立不起来。整个起诉结构是：明明是投资者的钱，结果变成了郭的替代自我里的钱，所以是诈骗，那个玛娃庄园，就是这一叙事的缩小版，看上去是gclub的庄园，但实际却是郭和家人在用，所以是诈骗。然后就是资金混同，替代自我里，债务人的钱和被诈骗的投资者的钱混在一起，然后投资者就成了普通债权人，然后就只能优先债权人分。最大的疑问可能就是，为何优先债权人要先分，因为美国法律就是这么写的。","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ef2315782aca358e249","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q6200984f3f3d049bf747","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":453,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-07T11:42:20.679Z","text":"所以投资者就是要去证明自己的财产权，信托受益权，优先于政府的权利。你证明这个的过程，就是击穿政府叙事的过程。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6200984f3f3d049bf747","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qb55dab5786dfd6901080","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":454,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-07T11:46:31.611Z","text":"再精确一点，当投资者不推翻自己是普通债权人这一点，你投了一万，美国小李说郭欠它两个亿，如果只有你跟美国小李分，那么按照比例，你只能分到两万零一分之一，美国小李分到两万零一分之两万。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb55dab5786dfd6901080","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q0f92b54ad371fcf054a2","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":455,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T11:51:04.580Z","text":"这个局一开始就设计好的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb55dab5786dfd6901080","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f92b54ad371fcf054a2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb55dab5786dfd6901080","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q45a0f7e55b5cca217181","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":456,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T11:51:27.585Z","text":"郭同意11章破产案\n然后luc开始债权人登记，一开始去的都是PAG 吴争 还有农场主骨干，泰山 美国小李 火来等 李娅在郭抓进去以后，也去补了登记","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q45a0f7e55b5cca217181","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q362072c6c851a53f7358","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":457,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T11:53:45.611Z","text":"这部分人，就是优先债权人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q362072c6c851a53f7358","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q24b8ee9f324c24212902","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":458,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T11:56:39.997Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 安小东一直混淆的，是盖尔代表6000人，不希望6000人里，有像螺丝哥这样跳出来的CVRA，多一个，就多一个人和破产案争优先权","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q24b8ee9f324c24212902","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q3403b8e0d10ea731c2f1","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":459,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T11:57:55.721Z","text":"跳出来去853n， [删节：隐私信息] 安小东欢迎，因为这批人能不能通过，最后决定权已经在南区检方了，不在你手上\n853n只有在二巡，才能用程序问题，和南区检方较真，这也是安小东一直反对的","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3403b8e0d10ea731c2f1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q9a1d4f672711ae120905","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":460,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-07T12:03:26.627Z","text":"在它们任性枉法的情况下，呈现越多的反映事实的证据，它们的吃相越难看，美国活过来后它们死得越惨。能呈现出什么有力证据，能指出多少卷宗里能够反映出的严重的自我矛盾，主要看各当事人自己的本事。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3403b8e0d10ea731c2f1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9a1d4f672711ae120905","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3403b8e0d10ea731c2f1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q767f0dfeab71e7677ffe","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":461,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-07T12:08:28.804Z","text":"像tony那样的证据，都是用生死存亡风险换来的。对大部分投资者，只要愿意花时间，去分析，南区案，破产案，夏诉魏案，纽约最高法院的pax诉郭案，还是可以找出一点东西。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q767f0dfeab71e7677ffe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qe76beabf0c166883c424","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":462,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-07T12:11:05.674Z","text":"这个如果是真的 很严重！说明余是坏种","edited":false,"reply_to":"qffa02da0541f3320ee9a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe76beabf0c166883c424","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qffa02da0541f3320ee9a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q6851f1d0b3285f3a1f48","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":463,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T12:17:33.787Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 安小东护的是盖尔，盖尔又是喜交所邮件推荐的，青们还在推广喜交所的宣誓书，这意味着什么","edited":true,"reply_to":"qe76beabf0c166883c424","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6851f1d0b3285f3a1f48","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe76beabf0c166883c424","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q10d7f805e6ffd1bfb43a","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":464,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T12:18:33.005Z","text":"余 青藤 安小东 一帮人嘛","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q10d7f805e6ffd1bfb43a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q9d01b33136c050e7f071","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":465,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-07T12:49:53.304Z","text":"钱是司法部扣的，你起诉SEC有屁用, 我就问你一句，你有没有填过当初喜交所链接的委托盖尔的申请，没填过你就没资格说话","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7e26d28853ccc98ddc07","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d01b33136c050e7f071","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e26d28853ccc98ddc07","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q6c8690998e6811e39aa1","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":466,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-07T12:51:27.784Z","text":"忽然想到个有趣的点 问下真心信郭的小伙伴们想法： 郭非常擅长先虚后实的策略 先把人夸上天 过段后才揭晓 实际是坏人对吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c8690998e6811e39aa1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q5f60ff3c7565aabdec23","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":467,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-07T12:59:21.399Z","text":"也不算同归于尽吧，真打翻全场也用不到法庭退款了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q33e6f1683e772dd2d4aa","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f60ff3c7565aabdec23","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33e6f1683e772dd2d4aa","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qc306877a11ff7d31fb92","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":468,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-07T13:00:35.676Z","text":"最早上强制令的时候，二巡只要提过cvra的，后来为什么放开了853n？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q58fe49814f12f5a9e855","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc306877a11ff7d31fb92","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58fe49814f12f5a9e855","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q9f5adfb4c9076f1fc1d3","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":469,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T13:06:05.984Z","text":"没错啊，你自己去看盖尔在X上的视频\n群里也有记录，链接，看他是怎么说的，是不是要去起诉sec\n自己没搞懂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9d01b33136c050e7f071","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f5adfb4c9076f1fc1d3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d01b33136c050e7f071","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q0002ecce2d34428a2edb","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":470,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-07T13:06:15.674Z","text":"二、 優先債權人（如 PAX）會把錢全拿走嗎？你提到的「優先債權人」，最典型的代表是太盟亞洲機會基金（PAX），他們持有法院先前判決的數億美元確定的商業債務（Judgment Debt）。\n\n💥在標準的商業破產中，確實存在嚴格的「絕對優先順序規則」（Absolute Priority Rule），即有擔保債權人和法定優先債權人先拿錢，一般無擔保債權（包括普通投資者）排在最後。\n\n💥但在本案中，情況大不相同：\n\n💥1. 刑事沒收與受害者補償（Remission）優先，郭文貴已被紐約聯邦法院裁定刑事欺詐及洗錢罪成，法院下令刑事沒收（Forfeiture）高達數億美元的贓款與資產。\n\n💥美國聯邦法律規定，刑事沒收的資產在通過「補償程序（Remission/Restitution）」時，必須優先全額或按比例發還給被騙的實質受害者（Victims）。\n\n💥而不能直接用來償還普通的商業債務（如 PAX 的商業欠款）。\n\n💥2. 破產法院與司法部的協調機制由於同時存在💥刑事沒收與💥民事破產兩套程序，美國司法部（DOJ）與破產受託人（Luc Despins）通常會達成「協調協議」。\n受託人負責在全球利用破產法賦予的極大權力去追討、清算資產；而追回的資金中，屬於欺詐受害者的部分，會通過專門設立的受害者索賠基金（Victim Claims Fund）進行專款分發。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0002ecce2d34428a2edb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q1b6690153afde1b206bd","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":471,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-07T13:13:27.026Z","text":"政府并没有说初步没收令里的6个多亿，全部都是投资款。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b6690153afde1b206bd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q1afb6e1250bcebbbe6ed","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":472,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-07T13:14:30.326Z","text":"pax说郭骗的钱以及借钱不还的钱加起来有几百亿，那6个多亿也可以全部属于它。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1afb6e1250bcebbbe6ed","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q56b891907a432c2bf2e2","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":473,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-07T13:15:12.577Z","text":"破產案是民事案，刑事案件的受害人權益一定優先於民事案的所謂商業債權人。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56b891907a432c2bf2e2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q638436ec458d988cc0c4","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":474,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-07T13:15:23.232Z","text":"金钱判决，被没收财产，这些概念要弄清楚。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q638436ec458d988cc0c4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qf16380abfea8c59d81e9","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":475,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-07T13:17:15.951Z","text":"你要证明你的钱全部在没收清单里，不然你凭什么拿全部。债权人可以主张那些钱它也有份，资金混同了扯不清楚，那就按照法律来，就是优先债权人先分。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q56b891907a432c2bf2e2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf16380abfea8c59d81e9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56b891907a432c2bf2e2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qc667b5b95d8ea0e3f15f","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":476,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-07T13:18:09.650Z","text":"刑事案權益優先於民事案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc667b5b95d8ea0e3f15f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q5d639593d778d996af21","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":477,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-07T13:19:20.996Z","text":"逻辑说得很清楚了，那句话好像推特上到处都是，传多了被当成语录了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d639593d778d996af21","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q34e9013583b7fd0f912f","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":478,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-07T13:20:23.586Z","text":"被没收的，是被告的个人财产。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34e9013583b7fd0f912f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qab41f1877f1939174f0d","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":479,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-07T13:20:47.144Z","text":"盖尔代理的目的很明显是冲着退款原路返回去的，不是什么853n, 他最初的所有动议要求都是财产返还动议，他是在原路返回被拒后才提的853n。1，他这件事如果成了，喜交所用户不用等这么多年还拿不到钱，不会有这么多人这几年缺钱活得这么痛苦，退还的资金也会从郭的损失金额里减去，对郭也更好。2，现在没成，那也留下了纪录 ，证明早已经提醒过托雷斯扣押资金会造成受害者的巨大损失，坐实了托雷死和检方长达几年的拖延扣押第三方资金，不光导致受害者资金巨大损失，更是导致有部分受害者生活困难，造成人道灾难的原因，我要在二巡大书特书这件事实，你们写不写随便你们，争论到此为止，Over","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab41f1877f1939174f0d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qea5066b40db59bdc206d","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":480,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-07T13:21:06.901Z","text":"資金已經混同的情況下，一定是優先給刑事案受害者，所以，6000人必須要盡快自己來代表自己，到時直接聯繫司法部公佈的退賠部門，不要讓任何人代表自己。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf16380abfea8c59d81e9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea5066b40db59bdc206d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf16380abfea8c59d81e9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q7d42de664a37b0241bfa","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":481,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T13:22:44.090Z","text":"然后破产案压根不够分","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1afb6e1250bcebbbe6ed","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d42de664a37b0241bfa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1afb6e1250bcebbbe6ed","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qfe59310a1b06f0fed04f","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":482,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-07T13:25:17.948Z","text":"你的问题是，把没收清单里的钱，决绝地当成了全部是投资款还不容反驳。虽然那是事实，但法律程序走到这一步，没有谁证明了是。那些钱被没收，仅仅因为那已经被法律程序认定为是郭的个人财产，这些财产到底谁能分，那还得继续较量，光喊是没用的，拿证据，让证据进入卷宗，还把把事情捋清楚。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qea5066b40db59bdc206d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe59310a1b06f0fed04f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea5066b40db59bdc206d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q05b2384f47d9816141c6","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":483,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-07T13:25:47.947Z","text":"所以，到時政府公布退賠時，必須自己去認領，有時限规定，過時不去認領的全數歸破產案所有。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q34e9013583b7fd0f912f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q05b2384f47d9816141c6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34e9013583b7fd0f912f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q98ffba0eec0a0072079b","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":484,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-07T13:27:14.624Z","text":"你在承认政府的remission 下去认领，你就是领不到。我跟你辩论的就是这个，只要走remission,你一定分不到，你拿几万美金的投资证明，人家拿几百亿优先债权。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q05b2384f47d9816141c6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q98ffba0eec0a0072079b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q05b2384f47d9816141c6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q148460f084ad49b2556b","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":485,"speaker":"nin***","date":"2026-08-07T13:27:57.695Z","text":"该案件中，喜马拉雅交易所（Himalaya Exchange）等平台的律师在明知数字代币已遭内部监守自盗、钱包被污染的情况下，利用职务之便，一边代表涉案公司，一边通过欺诈手段诱导受害者客户签署集体诉讼协议（Class Action），这不仅违反了律师基本的职业道德，更在触犯多项严重的联邦刑事罪行。\n对于这种“两头吃”并试图在清算前通过集体诉讼掩盖罪行、包庇下游洗钱分子的律师，美国联邦刑法和司法调查程序有着专门的应对与穿透机制：\n\n一、 这种“两头欺诈”的律师触犯了哪些联邦刑事罪？\n在美国联邦刑法典（U.S.C.）中，该律师的行为绝对无法用“正常的民事代理”来脱罪，他已经将自己变成了整个犯罪网络延伸出来的下游共犯（Co-Conspirator），通常触犯以下重罪：\n1. 共谋妨碍司法公正罪（Conspiracy to Obstruct Justice - 18 U.S.C. § 1503 / § 1512）\n    * 罪行定性：平台被政府关闭后，律师明知后台存在监守自盗和洗钱行为，却蓄意通过设计“虚假的集体诉讼协议”来安抚、欺骗客户不要报警或不要向 FBI 披露真实的后台对账单。这种通过诱骗受害者来掩盖真正下游犯罪分子流向的行为，属于性质极其恶劣的妨碍司法调查罪，最高可判处 20 年监禁。\n2. 联邦电汇欺诈/跨国电信诈骗共犯（Wire Fraud - 18 U.S.C. § 1343）\n    * 罪行定性：律师在公共网络平台上，或者通过邮件、电子签约系统，在故意隐瞒关键事实（代币已被污染、后台已被自盗）的前提下，诱骗客户签署法律文件以获取非法利益（或协助平台转移最后的剩余资金）。这构成了独立的电汇欺诈罪，每项指控最高可判 20 年监禁。\n3. 洗钱共谋犯罪（Money Laundering Conspiracy - 18 U.S.C. § 1956）\n    * 罪行定性：如果该律师收取的律师费或成立的“集体诉讼信托基金”，其资金来源本身就包含那部分被污染的数字代币或涉案资金，且其目的是为了“保护”真正的下游洗钱分子不被清算，该律师直接沦为洗钱罪的共同被告。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q148460f084ad49b2556b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qc0201d98d8baf1cd2caf","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":486,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-07T13:30:01.590Z","text":"💥首先破產案是民事案件。\n💥郭的所謂詐騙案是重大刑事案。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0201d98d8baf1cd2caf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q776d748561273293c634","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":487,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T13:34:18.105Z","text":"很多人没有明白的是，进到政府没收的框架后，决定权是政府说了算\n政府有很多理由，优先给破产案luc\n不管刑事案853n或者853i，政府都可以打成853i","edited":false,"reply_to":"q98ffba0eec0a0072079b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q776d748561273293c634","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q98ffba0eec0a0072079b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q31ddb57d86b7ad350567","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":488,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-07T13:35:45.581Z","text":"按照法律应该怎么分钱，和程序上它们能做到怎么分钱，是两回事。都走到这一步了，怎么还在想着政府的那些[屏蔽词]会按照法律的要求来分钱？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q31ddb57d86b7ad350567","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q12184265714ed256012f","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":489,"speaker":"nin***","date":"2026-08-07T13:35:49.614Z","text":"看看时间線这位盖尔是不是伪联盟一伙的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12184265714ed256012f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qd79ceece9ffe9331e684","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":490,"speaker":"nin***","date":"2026-08-07T13:37:02.279Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb62c0bccf5ae10217e8b","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd79ceece9ffe9331e684","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q7c623cf7163e7e47c015","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":491,"speaker":"nin***","date":"2026-08-07T13:44:33.507Z","text":"这就是为什么第一次郭案开庭就是这为盖尔指定的伪联盟安排出庭人。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c623cf7163e7e47c015","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q742bb41827bf7dfdd203","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":492,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-07T13:47:49.076Z","text":"因为beginning 我😂， 在第一个强制令被拒后， 陈述了这个问题：\n\nE. 21 U.S.C. § 853(n) NON-CVRA Rights and 18 U.S.C. § 3771 CVRA Rights\nPetitioner objects to the Government and the courts’ unilateral classification of the Petitioner as a 'crime victim' of the Defendant, when the Petitioner’s true legal status is that of an innocent owner with a superior interest under 21 U.S.C. § 853(n). The courts’ reliance on the 'non-CVRA' designation to dismiss this petition is a mistake of law because it ignores the independent statutory right to an ancillary proceeding under § 853(n).\n \nUnder 21 U.S.C. § 853(n) NON-CVRA Petitioner:\n1) Has indisputable specific legal interest in the assets, every transaction is traceable.\n2) Is a Bona Fide purchaser who has clear title to the assets and no knowledge of the alleged crimes at the time of the investments.\n3) Has preponderance of the evidence to support Petitioner’s asset claims.\nBut at the same time, Petitioner:\n1) Clearly is the victim of the Government’s questionable seizure: The Government seizure has caused undue hardship by preventing the petitioner from realizing the time-value of the capital and the Government's delay in adjudication has resulted in a de facto reduction of the Petitioner's interest. The court-appointed trustee Luc has breached his fiduciary duty by incurring exorbitant expenditures and failing to exercise due diligence in the management and sequestration of the properties. Trust asset has suffered a significant diminish value and wastage due to trustee Luc's failure to preserve the assets.\n2) Is not a CVRA victim of the Defendant: There was no contractual privity between the Petitioner and the Defendant; the Defendant was not a recipient or custodian of the Petitioner’s capital. The Defendant has never engaged in the conversion or misappropriation of the Petitioner’s G-series funds.","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc306877a11ff7d31fb92","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q742bb41827bf7dfdd203","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc306877a11ff7d31fb92","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q9ea5aec9164cf4823c8b","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":493,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-07T13:47:55.796Z","text":"There was no agency relationship or a fiduciary undertaking regarding the Petitioner’s specific investment decisions. In the Defendant’s De minimis advisory role, on his live broadcasts, the Defendant warned the investors repeatedly that those investments were speculative and could take a long time to fruition.","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ea5aec9164cf4823c8b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qb87c965d46fd97f240ad","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":494,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T13:52:35.939Z","text":"853n，得去二巡，讲程序问题\n越是 ［用户 him***］ 反对的，越要去，准没错","edited":true,"reply_to":"q742bb41827bf7dfdd203","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb87c965d46fd97f240ad","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q742bb41827bf7dfdd203","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q50ce91033348b663e809","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":495,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-07T13:54:35.528Z","text":"这个关于检方托雷斯造成人道主义危机的论点，是非常值得提出的， 托雷斯违规上传了二巡没立案/给她的影印件 863 就可以用！","edited":false,"reply_to":"qab41f1877f1939174f0d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50ce91033348b663e809","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab41f1877f1939174f0d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qe931af1ecb6dff797cbf","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":496,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T13:54:42.217Z","text":"再看看联盟关于盖尔的通知，民事诉讼\n他怎么跑去刑事案？有没有告知客户？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7c623cf7163e7e47c015","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe931af1ecb6dff797cbf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c623cf7163e7e47c015","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q6618d02cd7a33338946a","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":497,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-07T13:58:37.249Z","text":"这个案子就是司法部制造的，remission让司法部负责退钱，那不是与虎谋皮吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q776d748561273293c634","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6618d02cd7a33338946a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q776d748561273293c634","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qfcdd3bc1703ae6ab5674","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":498,"speaker":"nin***","date":"2026-08-07T13:59:44.441Z","text":"仔细看看那份公告全是弯弯绕，好好缕一下全是陷井。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe931af1ecb6dff797cbf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfcdd3bc1703ae6ab5674","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe931af1ecb6dff797cbf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q8c84a7522b37812a7e1e","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":499,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-07T14:00:25.841Z","text":"我觉得现在上了二巡的853n， 已经把南区32.2 这个程序违规问题钉死了。\n\n再上去的， 要挖掘新的突破口/内容。很多事情有些人有证据但是不知道他们的证据的核爆性 - 比如 被胁迫， 比如 被黄牛、农场主骗钱， 比如 315后， 农场主负责人给他们的通讯中证明郭没有对G系列的控制权 等等等等","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb87c965d46fd97f240ad","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c84a7522b37812a7e1e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb87c965d46fd97f240ad","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q9f68ff36727f5f6c0f11","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":500,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-07T14:03:19.923Z","text":"§853(n) 听证的作用是确定第三方对被没收财产是否合法拥有权益。\n如果在量刑前完成了 §853(n) 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