{"id":"batch-000143","number":143,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-08-06T14:34:35.575Z","date_end":"2026-08-09T00:50:49.852Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 143 (Aug 6, 2026 – Aug 9, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Batch 143 (Aug 6, 2026 to Aug 9, 2026, 1000 messages) shows a divided thread on the Guo matter. Participants dispute whether Gaer’s move into the second-cycle criminal process is tactical opportunism or a rights-driven restitution strategy, and whether Dkt. 478 and Dkt. 676 reflect mixed theories under 21 U.S.C. §§853(i), 853(n), 18 U.S.C. §3771, and Rule 41(g). They also argue over third-party identity, filing timing, and the interaction of criminal forfeiture with bankruptcy issues involving HCHK, Trustee Luc Despins, and 9019 settlement mechanics. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"Starting-point dispute: why Gaer entered the Guo case and whether the litigation aim was misdirected","description":"Participants argue over Gaer’s transition into the Guo case, with some contending it was a legitimate step to pursue funds and others contesting that it should have been a separate application for asset unfreezing; this dispute frames the whole thread. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q1f77bec344e4e919be2d","qeb1daae8b2b849c04e86","q7acd09bfdf5ed1899387"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q1f77bec344e4e919be2d","summary_en":"ntp*** says Gaer entered the Guo case after suing Luc for money and framing it around refund relief, while alleging the prosecution claimed thousands of victims, and argues this detour was puzzling because no separate DOJ suit was filed. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qeb1daae8b2b849c04e86","summary_en":"ntp*** says Dkt. 478 was the point where CVRA was cited and that Gaer only raised Luc once before dropping it, and contends the cleaner path would have been a separate unfreezing case rather than moving into the Guo file. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q7acd09bfdf5ed1899387","summary_en":"ntp*** questions why Gaer insists on a government-victim framing while also invoking CVRA in the Guo case, arguing that this dual positioning appears unstable. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"CVRA route and victim-status language become a persistent flashpoint, especially around whether early-motion drafting proves identity claims","description":"Participants contend that the meaning of victim status under CVRA is being overstated, while others claim the government filing language provides a basis for that framing; the group disputes how much this matters in a criminal-restoration strategy. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q9ef9a09305a03661c4dc","q062bb954987d81e0d4b9","qf747ca3788ace2b25522"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q9ef9a09305a03661c4dc","summary_en":"spr*** argues that suing Luc for money is not itself improper because others also seek money, disputes claims that a DOJ lawsuit was promised, and says a DOJ suit was unlikely due sovereign immunity while the motion text presents a victim posture. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q062bb954987d81e0d4b9","summary_en":"spr*** insists the contract language did not mention suing DOJ or stock transfer commitments, disputing any inference that those claims were contractually required in the filing. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf747ca3788ace2b25522","summary_en":"spr*** cites the Government’s March 2023 motion under 18 U.S.C. §3771 as stating that asset seizure made the petitioners victims, and argues this supports the CVRA framing. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Third-party status, prosecutorial handling, and court focus form a second line of disagreement","description":"Participants claim the court posture is that investor labels are less important than property adjudication, while others focus on the filings and argue third-party rights cannot be reduced to broad victim labels. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qcc22e5fce1e876f20f14","qce74ec10c9d0c0ae1f9a","q2f293bd76ee5cd2c2cae"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qcc22e5fce1e876f20f14","summary_en":"spr*** argues the forum should not be fixated on who is a legal victim, suggesting the court’s practical focus is broader and may treat all investors similarly. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qce74ec10c9d0c0ae1f9a","summary_en":"spr*** repeats the same point, contending that victim-status disputes are legally unproductive because the court can treat investors as harmed parties in aggregate. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q2f293bd76ee5cd2c2cae","summary_en":"q2f293bd76ee5cd2c2cae is simply cited as Dkt. 478, with participants invoking it as the key filing in the third-party route debate. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Whether 6000/8000 claimants can be represented as one bloc: authorization, contract limits, and counsel capacity are repeatedly challenged","description":"Participants contest whether Gaer was empowered to represent a large investor cohort in criminal court, arguing over cross-forum authority and whether prior civil-SEC framing can be extended into the criminal restitution posture. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q7e26d28853ccc98ddc07","q17c8a307b1614c73cc74","q15652e6f0ca117611c6e"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q7e26d28853ccc98ddc07","summary_en":"joh*** questions whether Gaer exceeded authority by shifting from civil representation in a 6000-client SEC matter to acting as counsel in the criminal case. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q17c8a307b1614c73cc74","summary_en":"joh*** asks whether the 6000 investors actually consented to Guo-case representation, disputing whether collective authorization was explicit. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q15652e6f0ca117611c6e","summary_en":"joh*** says Gaer did not pursue the SEC civil route himself, arguing this weakens claims about continuity of representation. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Parallel arguments over §853(n) and §853(i): is the immediate objective money return or first clearing standing and procedural gates?","description":"Participants dispute a binary framing of Gaer as only §853(n) and claim his filings mix mechanisms; others still argue that without clear standing and filing position, any money path is vulnerable to procedural defeat. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qc477cf6b6cd0ccd45006","q6172d333083d4bd82269","q66a2cd3361d7b65678e5"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qc477cf6b6cd0ccd45006","summary_en":"him*** explains in detail that §853(i) is an administrative remission route, §853(n) is an ancillary judicial property proceeding, and CVRA §3771 is separate, then contends Gaer’s Dkt. 478 and Dkt. 676 repeatedly combine these theories with constructive-trust and tracing claims instead of a single-track approach. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q6172d333083d4bd82269","summary_en":"him*** argues that earlier Rule 41(g)-style property-only positioning was strategically stronger, while later financial-victim language in Dkt. 478 gave the government a rhetorical opening, and warns that “financial victims” wording does not establish each client’s factual loss theory. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q66a2cd3361d7b65678e5","summary_en":"joh*** claims that when criminal §853n distribution is reached, creditors in bankruptcy could already absorb much value (he cites a 14 billion figure), contending that this weakens expectations for direct claimant recovery. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Criminal forfeiture and bankruptcy are treated as competing frameworks, with Trustee authority and distribution order hotly contested","description":"Participants contest whether criminal forfeiture proceeds must be insulated for victim restitution or are vulnerable to bankruptcy priority claims, while others claim the government retains decisive control in forfeiture administration and the two systems only partially overlap. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q3578d04fc8b2ef6a1c6c","q776d748561273293c634","qc0201d98d8baf1cd2caf"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q3578d04fc8b2ef6a1c6c","summary_en":"hel*** argues that forfeited criminal funds are not automatically subordinated to Trustee Luc Despins, describes coordination between DOJ and the Trustee, and claims victim-protection channels are intended to shield investors from general bankruptcy distribution. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q776d748561273293c634","summary_en":"joh*** warns that once matters enter the government forfeiture framework, practical discretion lies with DOJ, and disputes claims of automatic civil-priority treatment by noting the government can characterize outcomes under §853(i). Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qc0201d98d8baf1cd2caf","summary_en":"hel*** reiterates that bankruptcy is civil while Guo’s fraud matter is criminal, underscoring the debated separation between debtor-creditor process and criminal sanction mechanisms. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Second-appeal timeline disputes: whether deadlines and supplemental filing windows still allow late claims","description":"Participants dispute whether supplemental motions are still viable after deadline events, with some citing a clocked-out period and others questioning whether counsel capacity limits justify process resets. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q96c500d510bf018d8e22","qdb8e0439235bf0d94be1","q13ea84ca211ba2c48c4e"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q96c500d510bf018d8e22","summary_en":"kir*** says the prior claim was no longer valid under current procedural context, contesting that the argued window still opens the same way. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qdb8e0439235bf0d94be1","summary_en":"kir*** bluntly states that the countdown has ended, presenting timing as a decisive procedural barrier. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q13ea84ca211ba2c48c4e","summary_en":"nev*** questions whether firms may have acknowledged inability to process too many files, using that practical note to challenge assumptions about admissible late procedural moves. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Evidence baseline dispute: whether filings and motions alone support claims or whether chat speculation overextends the record","description":"Participants claim the record should be grounded in filings and filings language, while others argue that forum participants are overfitting screenshots, contracts, and inferences beyond admissible evidence. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q50beffb776b67ac6d8ef","q5fd836b000ac36aa3938","q1829ad7e4bbc61da4ba5"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q50beffb776b67ac6d8ef","summary_en":"spr*** challenges claims drawn from contract disputes without video evidence, arguing that selective use of Guo’s statements can amount to over-accusation rather than proof. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q5fd836b000ac36aa3938","summary_en":"kir*** says Gaer never explicitly stated the disputed legal basis, and this uncertainty is used to question broad interpretive leaps. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1829ad7e4bbc61da4ba5","summary_en":"spr*** says he relies on court documents only and disputes loose extrapolation from unverified group chatter. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Counsel turnover and appeal expectation shift: withdrawal and new federal-appointee plans trigger route recalibration","description":"Participants dispute whether the change in representation alters strategic posture, with one side seeing it as ordinary, and another using it as a signal that appeals and argument structure may now change materially. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q9074dd8158e7cccea063","q178c939d793b69fe28d7","qf87f630b21946cc4cb8f"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q9074dd8158e7cccea063","summary_en":"kir*** reports that the old Guo defense attorney withdrew, introducing uncertainty over continuity in strategy. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q178c939d793b69fe28d7","summary_en":"kir*** says designation of attorney CJA is being formally stated, with participants treating this as a potentially substantive strategic shift. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf87f630b21946cc4cb8f","summary_en":"kir*** remarks that the new configuration is not an ordinary substitution, implying the transition could change how arguments are positioned. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"HCHK asset disposition and Dkt. 9019 settlement: is it lawful recovery or procedural overreach blocking others?","description":"Participants dispute whether the HCHK-related transfer and settlement are proper claims administration under bankruptcy authorities or a block against broader investor demands, focusing on the role of assignee Brian Hofmeister and a Rule 9019 framework. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q34df15749865021ef43d","qf9267483b3904f6867ec","q6a00e72f954f52c66773"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q34df15749865021ef43d","summary_en":"spr*** summarizes the HCHK adversary proceeding, noting Trustee Luc A. Despins’ claims that HCHK entities are alter egos, and identifies a bankruptcy Rule 9019 motion seeking approval of a settlement that transfers roughly $38.83 million before final judgment. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf9267483b3904f6867ec","summary_en":"spr*** details that assignee Brian Hofmeister was appointed in an assignment framework with authority to manage HCHK assets and litigation, then settled with the Trustee to transfer controlled funds and shape future claims. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q6a00e72f954f52c66773","summary_en":"spr*** says the assignee is the one executing the transfer to Luc’s account and disputes the narrative that this was HCHK-creditor intervention blocking recovery, calling contrary claims rumor-like. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Later discussion becomes politicized and ideological, weakening procedural consensus","description":"Participants claim money-recovery and procedural coordination were diluted as political and religious framing increased, with competing narratives disputing each side’s motives and hardening factional conflict. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qfcb0d153c355976ab921","qdeefbe21ed2b45640cee","qf5041900c82ded72e883"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qfcb0d153c355976ab921","summary_en":"him*** cites Guo’s repeated claim that profits are for loss reimbursement, and participants use this as a backdrop to argue no one should claim gains. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qdeefbe21ed2b45640cee","summary_en":"him*** claims the group simultaneously seeks compensation and anti-CCP positioning, suggesting motive narratives are now driving interpretations of legal debate. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf5041900c82ded72e883","summary_en":"may*** counters by labeling another participant a communist cult follower, showing ideological attacks replacing procedural discussion. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"“Money-first” versus procedure-first: which track is truly dominant in community strategy","description":"Participants claim both recovery and procedural compliance are necessary, while others dispute whether prioritizing endless process challenges delays enforcement or protects standing and claim viability over immediate payouts. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q0443fc4d6dc7a262ab24","q730d8be6acf268f5d604","qf21cc06e124885a32879"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q0443fc4d6dc7a262ab24","summary_en":"kir*** argues that pursuing funds and procedural defects is not contradictory because without money recovery there is no standing, so both tracks should proceed together. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q730d8be6acf268f5d604","summary_en":"kir*** says an 853n money-seeking position is itself a procedural issue and claims ignoring it while sentencing may itself be challenged as a process defect. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf21cc06e124885a32879","summary_en":"ntp*** questions the prior framing, indicating a live dispute over whether the money-first stance is being overplayed in the group. Community statements, not court 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一种是贪 一种是信仰 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是不是在骗人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37bf435c05dbaf03989f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q2e10a0b6f04c3256fdfb","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":682,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-07T18:00:26.565Z","text":"你看喜国有一点宗教的样子吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e10a0b6f04c3256fdfb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q644adb28de4369952989","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":683,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-07T18:00:48.788Z","text":"你什么时候去探监问一下","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q644adb28de4369952989","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qc1458bbd5b86276bc5be","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":684,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-07T18:01:10.193Z","text":"我问什么啊？我又不是喜国人。你投钱了啊，你应该问一下你自己，郭是不是骗子啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q37bf435c05dbaf03989f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1458bbd5b86276bc5be","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37bf435c05dbaf03989f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q3dc48fc6d25b17532725","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":685,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-07T18:11:53.143Z","text":"［用户 hel***］ 你想要回的，是自己的投资\n这二位 ［用户 him***］ ［用户 may***］ 盯着的，是把钱给破产案债权人，也就是他们的主子，然后他们才领得到项目奖金\n这也是他们刷屏的原始动力\n无利不起早，就这么简单的道理🤣 \n那个天天骂我的 @[删节：隐私信息] 貌似退群了，因为对我没用，［用户 him***］ 抠门，怕是没给他维稳费🤣","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3dc48fc6d25b17532725","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qffd31e6040396bc65a29","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":686,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-07T19:07:09.868Z","text":"这个表格从哪里得到的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qccb8fe4f4b6713766a2b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qffd31e6040396bc65a29","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qccb8fe4f4b6713766a2b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q00fcd414d0dd94d389ac","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":687,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-07T19:31:17.087Z","text":"不是的，是法院要先处理853N, 把853N的钱偿还了，处理完853n 剩余的才给政府","edited":false,"reply_to":"q05b2384f47d9816141c6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00fcd414d0dd94d389ac","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q05b2384f47d9816141c6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q050a1f4873797d464a25","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":688,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-07T19:36:56.621Z","text":"那就是說853 n可以優先拿錢？哪些人適用853 n？我們可以適用嗎？\n所有無辜的投資者都可以適用853N？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q00fcd414d0dd94d389ac","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q050a1f4873797d464a25","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00fcd414d0dd94d389ac","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q0b79904c9d29a8f89385","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":689,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-07T19:46:56.127Z","text":"重点不是放在造成人道危机，而是早已经提醒过托雷死和检方，而他们置若罔闻，这时候就要引用盖尔文件了，这件事只有他提起过","edited":false,"reply_to":"q50ce91033348b663e809","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b79904c9d29a8f89385","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50ce91033348b663e809","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q9f2c0fa67ce357be1ed2","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":690,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-07T19:49:01.222Z","text":"王雪冰续签借贷合同是315后吧？这件事有谁提起过？为什么这事检方都知道而我们却不知道？就是联盟群为什么没听人说过？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8c84a7522b37812a7e1e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f2c0fa67ce357be1ed2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c84a7522b37812a7e1e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q814852d603b701324d53","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":691,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-07T19:57:45.790Z","text":"其实所有没收的钱都是853n的，也就是第三方投资人的钱，就是投资人证明的问题，具体说，就是你的钱是直接汇入检方没收的那些银行帐号里的，都是毫无置疑的853n, 如果是通过中转帐户，你就要自己拿到中转帐户汇入检方没收的银行帐户的银行纪录 ，你需要自己举证，检方不会帮你查证","edited":false,"reply_to":"q050a1f4873797d464a25","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q814852d603b701324d53","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q050a1f4873797d464a25","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q78c7cd7a74c32e4c0b9a","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":692,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-07T20:13:10.232Z","text":"不要指望上诉律师了，都抓紧自己研究案子吧                                                                         纽约联邦辩护律师就乔治·弗洛伊德之死及支持“黑人的命也是命”运动发表声明 \n明尼阿波利斯警察杀害乔治·弗洛伊德，是美国历史上众多有色人种死于警察之手的最新悲剧。这些杀戮事件都有一个共同点：它们都源于美国根深蒂固、持续存在的白人至上主义历史。纽约联邦辩护律师事务所谴责这段历史及其如今丑陋的后果：我们在联邦法院的工作中经常目睹种族主义的做法和制度。我们与“黑人的命也是命”运动站在一起，并承诺竭尽全力继续为我们的客户和正义而战","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q78c7cd7a74c32e4c0b9a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q2d57ffe98b81ecec5eaf","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":693,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-07T20:22:58.585Z","text":"人道主义有一个天局打法","edited":false,"reply_to":"q50ce91033348b663e809","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d57ffe98b81ecec5eaf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50ce91033348b663e809","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qe5b32d0cebd0432da21f","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":694,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-07T20:52:18.907Z","text":"哪一种最容易推翻案件？\n这不能一概而论。\n例如：\n证据不足一旦成功，救济通常最彻底，因为可能直接撤销定罪。但它也是最难成功的上诉理由之一，法院会以最有利于政府的角度审查证据。\nBrady/Giglio/Napue如果成立，也可能导致新审判，但需要满足各自严格的法律标准，例如未披露证据具有重要性（materiality）。\n法律适用错误和裁量权滥用在实践中更常见，很多时候会导致发回重新量刑或重新处理特定程序，而不一定推翻全部定罪。\n司法偏见/回避如果达到相关标准，可能导致判决被撤销并由另一位法官继续处理，但法院对此同样审查严格。\n\n因此，上诉通常不是依赖单一理由，而是把多个有法律依据的问题组合起来。第二巡回法院会分别审查每一个论点，也会考虑多个错误叠加后是否影响了案件的公平性（在适用时可能涉及累积错误分析）。\n\n如果你的上诉围绕你之前一直提到的那些程序问题，比较关键的是把每一项都建立在具体的案卷记录、法律标准和判例之上，而不是仅停留在结论层面。这样更有利于法院逐项审查其是否构成可撤销的错误。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5b32d0cebd0432da21f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qc6b68b87a8a97a0ad3de","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":695,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-08-07T21:47:15.146Z","text":"老郭用联盟农场的那些烂人就说明了他就知道会对投入的资金意味着什么，但是他本人没有法律上的实际性操作犯罪，于是被陷害起诉定罪量刑也成促成了程序不正义翻案，只是这个局非常狠","edited":false,"reply_to":"q84dd4d19d2905d57a865","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc6b68b87a8a97a0ad3de","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q101d96d25e08de2655af","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":696,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-08-07T21:53:44.906Z","text":"https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HvSxPKMEs8k","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q101d96d25e08de2655af","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q8f83be4d79d6bb6672f8","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":697,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-08-07T21:54:25.501Z","text":"垃圾信息而已。\nSBF,上百万储户，他们怎么不去SBF刑事案件853n要钱啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q84dd4d19d2905d57a865","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f83be4d79d6bb6672f8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q96bc3d1ea725e8ef55b9","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":698,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-07T21:56:41.034Z","text":"在被告（债务人）的刑事案件与破产案件同步进行、且破产受托人（Bankruptcy Trustee）被指控存在滥用职权、挥霍或不当消耗属于受害人资金的极端情况下，受害人（作为潜在的债权人或受影响方）可以通过破产法庭行使法律赋予的救济途径。在法律程序中，受害人必须将诉求转化为具有法律依据的动议（Motion）或异议                               以下是受害人可以用来介入破产案件、制止受托人挥霍资金的核心法律理由和切入点：                                                                                                    一、 核心法律理由与动议依据1. 主张资金属于“信托财产”或“特定动产”（Not Part of the Bankruptcy Estate / Constructive Trust）核心逻辑：破产受托人的职责是管理和分配“破产财产”（Property of the Estate）。                                                                                                                  如果受害人能够证明在法律上构成信托财产（Trust Funds）、或者受害人对该笔特定资金享有建设性信托（Constructive Trust）请求权，那么这笔钱根本不属于破产债务人的自由资产，破产受托人无权将其当作破产财产来消耗、支付行政费用（如高额的律师费、受托人佣金等）。                                                                                                                         行动方式：向破产法庭提交解除自动暂缓令的动议（Motion for Relief from Stay）或确认财产所有权/排除出破产财产的动议（Motion to Determine Property Rights / Expropriation），要求法庭裁定该资金不属于破产财产，并禁止受托人动用。                                                               2. 指控受托人违反信义义务与管理不善（Breach of Fiduciary Duty / Waste of Estate Assets）核心逻辑：破产受托人是法庭的官员（Court-appointed officer），对所有的债权人和利益相关者负有严格的信义义务（Fiduciary Duty）。如果受托人大肆挥霍、进行非理性的、消耗性的支出（例如支付不合理的专业服务费、进行高风险或无意义的资产消耗），这构成了对资产的“浪费”（Waste of Estate Assets）。行动方式：依据破产法相关规定，直接向破产法官提交限制受托人支出的动议（Motion to Limit Trustee's Operations / Restrict Use of Funds），或者要求法庭对受托人的不当开支进行审查（Objection to Trustee's Expense/Fee Application）。                                                                               3. 主张刑事受害人的优先受偿权与追偿权（Restitution Priority & Crime Victim Rights）核心逻辑：通过犯罪所得（Proceeds of Crime）被扣押或冻结的资产，其首要目的应当是返还给受害人。破产程序不能成为掩盖或消耗犯罪所得的避难所。行动方式：直接以受害人身份，与破产法庭进行利益交涉（Motion to Intervene），主张刑事追缴优先于普通破产债权人的分配或受托人的日常行政消耗。                                                              二、 受害人如何实际操作介入？取得/利害关系人资格（Standing）“受害人利益代表”的身份，向破产法庭提交出庭通知,如果受托人的挥霍行为正在发生且刻不容缓，受害人可以通过律师向破产法庭申请紧急临时禁令，要求法庭立即冻结特定账户的资金消耗，防止资产进一步流失。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q96bc3d1ea725e8ef55b9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qc3cc48d01841b88cbaa6","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":699,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-07T22:02:44.291Z","text":"26-1626 [删节：隐私信息]提过","edited":true,"reply_to":"q9f2c0fa67ce357be1ed2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3cc48d01841b88cbaa6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f2c0fa67ce357be1ed2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q9764e35f101a47642f16","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":700,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-07T22:07:38.758Z","text":"郭在3月15日之前已经知道被起诉 ，他居然不跑，看来确实对美国司法有信心啊，估计他从来没预计到过今天吧                    -                           尊敬的凯瑟琳 H. 帕克法官在 2023 年 3月 6 日根据首次起诉书传讯了被告，","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9764e35f101a47642f16","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q43bc9171af4773780b83","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":701,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-07T22:12:39.936Z","text":"往哪里跑？ 美国最安全。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43bc9171af4773780b83","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qb04ce89b5605c300e4ca","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":702,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-07T22:34:57.841Z","text":"不跑也不存在把所有数据不清洗就提供给政府吧                                                                          政府查获了大约 49 部电话、47 个 USB 驱动器，\n32 台计算机设备，和 15 个硬盘。政府还不知道\n从这些（和其他）被扣押的设备中会提取多大的\n数据量，但预计将是庞大的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q43bc9171af4773780b83","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb04ce89b5605c300e4ca","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43bc9171af4773780b83","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q95f724726b268652ebd5","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":703,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-07T22:38:19.303Z","text":"没有从他自己的各种设备中提取的通信记录，会议纪录 什么的，仅凭那些银行流水和虚假证人，检方难以忽悠陪审团郭有罪，特别是共谋这个指控，难怪检方后加的共谋这个指控","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb04ce89b5605c300e4ca","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95f724726b268652ebd5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb04ce89b5605c300e4ca","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qcb089620396d6f631c6f","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":704,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-08-07T22:40:03.565Z","text":"你是没看直播吗？直播多次说过这案件会经过什么，最终会以什么方式结束，说得非常清楚","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9764e35f101a47642f16","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb089620396d6f631c6f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9764e35f101a47642f16","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qbb78b1f5b4d6d6536547","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":705,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-07T22:40:44.715Z","text":"你是没看郭的庭审律师说的郭的看法已经改变了吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb78b1f5b4d6d6536547","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qd2dac1977881e58cee8b","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":706,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-08-07T22:47:30.365Z","text":"郭的看法改变是他亲口说出的吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2dac1977881e58cee8b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qf1170db09db0ff8de425","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":707,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-08-07T23:13:27.074Z","text":"https://x.com/baoliaogeming/status/2085866868179660812?s=20","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1170db09db0ff8de425","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q7546c570539f5d016d9b","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":708,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-07T23:14:15.731Z","text":"853n现在和盖尔也有关系了，因为盖尔也是853n，如果盖尔赢了，853n池子里的钱也会被分走","edited":false,"reply_to":"q18d05b606d07fc08ff0d","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7546c570539f5d016d9b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q0b4764a54644c8e78cf3","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":709,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-07T23:15:11.995Z","text":"但是受害者肯定是反对853n的，因为853n赢了，受害者分的钱就少了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b4764a54644c8e78cf3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qcc543824f19a6ef2d70e","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":710,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-07T23:15:24.613Z","text":"所以法庭大概率不会批准853n的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc543824f19a6ef2d70e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q76428339f965c6e8b503","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":711,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-07T23:17:07.577Z","text":"分钱那一刻起，就等于不相信灭共能成，郭能出狱了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76428339f965c6e8b503","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q6f3d8050a77dc5d67757","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":712,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-07T23:17:30.747Z","text":"如果相信郭能出狱，灭共能成，就不会急着分钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f3d8050a77dc5d67757","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q6284ac0247a4317f321f","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":713,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-07T23:17:32.082Z","text":"如果有一部分錢是直接匯入了FBI貼出來的帳戶，另外一部分找不到，應該是已經被他們轉移或關閉了以帳戶。\n\n是應該分別去做吧，能找到的用853n。是這樣吧？！👍🙏","edited":false,"reply_to":"q814852d603b701324d53","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6284ac0247a4317f321f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q814852d603b701324d53","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q9e95f23c5fb1793c46a0","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":714,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-07T23:20:45.176Z","text":"853n是要走信托的投资，才有可能赢853n","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8ecbb6dfb30ed8f9bc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主权身份冲突是瞎扯的吗？","edited":true,"reply_to":"q0b90638f17e8596cc174","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q780f0c11a766dd7027ff","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b90638f17e8596cc174","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qd2c19fb717f2a976bb2f","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":723,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-07T23:29:43.902Z","text":"最开始战友们以为盖尔是去证明洗脚所是合法的投资机构，洗脚所的用户是真实用户。走到现在盖尔的作用已经扭曲了，成了去要钱的，这已经脱离了战友本来的意图。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q293c471ada5de91b7b8f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2c19fb717f2a976bb2f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q293c471ada5de91b7b8f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q4b84a6d2516f9a24c870","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":724,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-07T23:32:52.241Z","text":"我看到检方把香草山公司列入郭控制的公司","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6284ac0247a4317f321f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b84a6d2516f9a24c870","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6284ac0247a4317f321f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q4b96e1672cf023391bd3","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":725,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-07T23:37:51.440Z","text":"国内的人还是害怕","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4d8e7bc139bc47cb899e","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b96e1672cf023391bd3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q6c207695945285647a0e","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":726,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-07T23:38:01.281Z","text":"不是所有人都敢站出来的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c207695945285647a0e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q222d4c46dece9d2875fc","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":727,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-07T23:38:18.195Z","text":"国内的想拿回钱也很难","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q222d4c46dece9d2875fc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q45e5a1cc1f72faf670f8","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":728,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-07T23:38:29.395Z","text":"国内投资的战友就是很可怜","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q45e5a1cc1f72faf670f8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q6d4b1324f7551e91ed31","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":729,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-07T23:39:57.687Z","text":"国内的真战友是最希望郭赢的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d4b1324f7551e91ed31","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qfc62831b79d2597ef783","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":730,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-07T23:40:40.588Z","text":"国外这些战友很多就是想拿回钱，现在分钱的都是觉得灭共已经没希望了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc62831b79d2597ef783","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q785e0f2cddc4b5d3d255","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":731,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-07T23:41:21.852Z","text":"所以郭当时就说，最后能剩下5%，差不多了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q785e0f2cddc4b5d3d255","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qb8fcd190a0ae9b88ad0a","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":732,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-07T23:41:27.111Z","text":"在美國聯邦刑事沒收程序中，21 U.S.C. § 853(n) 所規範的「附屬聆訊與申訴機制（Ancillary Proceeding）」\n\n💥並不是讓受害者拿回投資款或申請賠償的普通管道。\n\n💥而是專門給「非被告的第三方（Third Parties）」用來主張他們對被法院裁定沒收的特定資產擁有合法、且優先於被告權利之物權的法律程序。\n\n💥因此，沒有任何一般詐騙受害者可以透過 853(n) 直接拿回「投資款」；\n\n💥相反地，試圖依此條款向法院提出聲請的，必須符合極為嚴格的特定法律要件。\n\n💥📌 誰可以適用 21 U.S.C. § 853(n) 提出聲請？\n\n依據該法條規定，僅有以下兩類第三方可以向審理法院（如紐約南區聯邦地區法院）提交請願書：具有合法優先生產權或物權者：在聯邦對郭文貴發布沒收令（Forfeiture Order）之前，該第三方對被沒收的特定財產（如房產、特定帳戶資金等）已擁有合法的權利、所有權或利益（Legal right, title, or interest），且該利益在犯罪行為發生時已經存在，或其效力優於被告。\n\n💥善意對價購買者（Bona Fide Purchaser for Value）：第三方是透過合法、有償的方式取得該項財產（例如從郭文貴或其相關企業手中「善意買下」某項資產），並且在購買當時完全沒有理由相信該資產屬於犯罪所得、將會面臨聯邦沒收。\n\n\n💥💥為什麼普通投資受害者不適用 853(n)？\n\n💥身分不符： 參與 GTV、喜馬拉雅農場、喜馬拉雅交易所或 G CLUBS 的一般投資人、追隨者或支持者，在法律上的身分是「遭到詐欺的被害人（Victims of fraud）」，而非對郭文貴名下遭沒收的特定遊艇、豪宅或帳戶資金享有前述「獨立物權」或「善意買受權」的第三人。\n\n💥非取回賠償的管道： 853(n) 的目的不是進行受害者集體訴訟或分配賠償金，而是用來釐清「這筆被扣押的錢到底是不是被告的、有沒有無辜第三人的合法資產被誤勾稽進去」。\n\n💥💡 郭文貴案件的受害者如何拿回款項？\n\n💥對於被美國法院裁定沒收的非法所得（如本案中高達約 8.89 億美元的沒收總額），美國司法部通常會透過「資產沒收行政減刑與發放程序（Remission/Mitigation of Forfeiture）」，由美國司法部資產沒收管理處（AFMS）後續設立受害者補償基金（Restitution/Remission Fund）進行分配。\n\n💥建議做法： 受害者應密切關注美國司法部或相關聯邦官方平台（如 Forfeiture.gov）公告的申訴與請願（Petitions for Remission）指引，向檢察官或指定管理人提交受害損失證明，而不是嘗試引用 21 U.S.C. § 853(n) 作為第三方產權人進行訴訟。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8fcd190a0ae9b88ad0a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qd66c359ea668491ed753","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":733,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-07T23:41:50.182Z","text":"郭说最后能剩下5%，其他都是倒在钱上了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd66c359ea668491ed753","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q4b42043eacb5948a6bb7","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":734,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-07T23:42:39.285Z","text":"像[删节：成员身份]这种，在国内的，还不想拿钱的，还敢站出来的，很少的","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b42043eacb5948a6bb7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q1024c2c398ffd52580db","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":735,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-07T23:42:56.235Z","text":"喜交所有沒有被列入是郭的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4b84a6d2516f9a24c870","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1024c2c398ffd52580db","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b84a6d2516f9a24c870","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q679333f3bd482eaefead","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":736,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-07T23:47:14.947Z","text":"没收喜交所借口就是郭控制喜交所，喜交所帐号有不在里面的？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q679333f3bd482eaefead","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qac2c32a5338851cc8660","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":737,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-07T23:52:58.698Z","text":"正常案件，是当事人自己去对照没收清单里的具体财产，拿出证据证明哪一部分是自己的，或者自己对政府有优先。但对于本案，仅仅这样做肯定不行。而是要去主张从程序上自己的那部分就不应该被没收。引用第五修正案以及相关判例来表明自己有权这样主张，这些判例，就是强调，在第五修正案的正当程序要求下，不能将第三方限制在被告认罪的叙事范围内。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac2c32a5338851cc8660","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q58266812fdd4455687c0","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":738,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-08-07T23:53:05.160Z","text":"https://x.com/baoliaogeming/status/2085876562243756432?s=20","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58266812fdd4455687c0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qaa4512c90ef5702ffd3d","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":739,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-07T23:55:32.340Z","text":"只要你的钱进入了政府口中的那个enterprise ，即使没有在没收清单里，也可以去说。还可以主张证据开示，你美国政府把这些钱算在对被告的金钱判决里，然后在没收清单里没有体现，你得告诉我钱在哪里。你得告诉我","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa4512c90ef5702ffd3d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qff7efa7ee29ef822fba9","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":740,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-08T00:12:40.931Z","text":"美國憲法目前共有 27條 修正案。\n以下為您逐條列出各條修正案的的核心內容：\n\n📜 權利法案（Bill of Rights, 第1至10條）\n1791年同時通過，旨在保障個人自由與限制政府權力。\n\n第1條：保障宗教、言論、新聞、集會自由及向政府請願的權利。\n\n第2條：保障人民合法持有和攜帶武器的權利（常指維持民兵與自衛權）。\n\n第3條：禁止軍隊在和平時期未經屋主同意強宿民宅。\n\n第4條：保護人民免受無理搜查與扣押，搜查令必須有正當理由。\n\n第5條：保障正當法律程序；禁止雙重審判與自證其罪；徵用私產須合理賠償。\n\n第6條：保障刑事被告享有迅速、公開審判，以及由公正陪審團審理和律師辯護的權利。\n\n第7條：保障民事訴訟中涉及一定金額時，享有陪審團審判的權利。\n\n第8條：禁止徵收過重的保釋金或罰金，禁止施加殘酷且不尋常的刑罰。\n\n第9條：憲法未列舉的其他人民權利，同樣受到保護，不得被政府侵犯。\n\n第10條：凡憲法未授予聯邦政府、亦未禁止各州行使的權力，由各州或人民保留。\n\n\n⚖️ 早期修正與廢除奴隸制度（第11至15條）\n\n調整政府運作體制，並在南北戰爭後確立黑人基本權利。\n\n第11條（1795年）：限制聯邦法院的管轄權，外州公民或外國人不得在聯邦法院起訴某州。\n\n第12條（1804年）：改變總統和副總統的選舉程序，改為由選舉人分別單獨投票選出。\n\n第13條（1865年）：正式廢除全美境內的奴隸制度與強迫勞役（除非作為犯罪的刑罰）。\n\n第14條（1868年）：定義公民身分；各州不得剝奪任何人的生命、自由或財產（正當程序條款），且須確保法律平等保護。\n\n第15條（1870年）：保障公民的投票權不得因種族、膚色或曾為奴隸而被剝奪。\n\n\n💼 進步時代與社會改革（第16至21條）\n\n20世紀初針對稅制、政治參與和社會道德所做的重大變革。\n\n第16條（1913年）：授予聯邦政府徵收個人所得稅的權力，無需依各州人口比例分配。\n\n第17條（1913年）：將聯邦參議員的產生方式，由各州議會指派改為全州選民直接選舉。\n\n第18條（1919年）：頒布全國「禁酒令」，禁止製造、販售或運輸麻醉性飲料。\n\n第19條（1920年）：保障女性的投票權，不得因性別而剝奪。\n\n第20條（1933年）：縮短正副總統與國會議員落選到新任就職的「跛腳鴨任期」（總統就職日改為1月20日）。\n\n第21條（1933年）：正式廢除第18條修正案，全面結束全國禁酒令。\n\n\n🏛️ 現代政府運作與民權擴張（第22至27條）\n規範現代國家機關架構，並進一步消除選民限制。\n\n第22條（1951年）：限制總統任期，任何人擔任總統職務最多不得超過兩屆（或累計不超過10年）。\n\n第23條（1961年）：賦予華盛頓哥倫比亞特區（首都選民）參加總統大選的權利，並擁有相應的選舉人票。\n\n第24條（1964年）：禁止在聯邦選舉中以「未繳納人頭稅」或其他稅款為由，剝奪公民的投票權。\n\n第25條（1967年）：詳細規定總統因故無法視事、辭職、免職或死亡時的副總統繼任及權力移交程序。\n\n第26條（1971年）：將全美公民的法定最低投票年齡降至 18 歲。\n\n第27條（1992年）：規定國會議員調整自身薪資的法案，必須等到下屆眾議員選舉後才能正式生效。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff7efa7ee29ef822fba9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qce555232969b32b71fff","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":741,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-08T00:13:59.034Z","text":"En Banc","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce555232969b32b71fff","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q1760c0dedf7cc8450930","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":742,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-08T00:15:23.689Z","text":"我认为法轮功信徒去要钱的可能性不大","edited":false,"reply_to":"qff6a2f0a4d89c7437cbd","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1760c0dedf7cc8450930","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q154543dd3d534043e41e","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":743,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-08T00:15:32.901Z","text":"不会有很多人去要钱的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q154543dd3d534043e41e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qd724c67aaf3d3a71d10a","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":744,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-08T00:15:47.397Z","text":"他们是捐钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd724c67aaf3d3a71d10a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q8a1dffa992001aca87f7","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":745,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-08T00:16:12.442Z","text":"而且法轮功是宗教，他们不会因为法庭判了关卫东，就认为法轮大法是假的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a1dffa992001aca87f7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q5acc0252265c35c23221","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":746,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-08T00:17:15.250Z","text":"但是他们去法庭说话的可能性也不大，因为他们不认识关卫东","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5acc0252265c35c23221","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q5827560867d3b8ea720f","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":747,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-08T00:17:51.860Z","text":"喜国如果没有联盟农场的宣传，也没人会去法庭要钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5827560867d3b8ea720f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qd714abc909e6a7b97aa8","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":748,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-08T00:18:37.801Z","text":"喜国人去要钱，大部分是因为联盟农场组织他们去的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd714abc909e6a7b97aa8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q78956bc6ecbd104bc335","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":749,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-08T00:54:37.758Z","text":"政府错误指控郭先生参与了一起大规模欺诈案，因此郭先生不得不在两条战线上捍卫其自身的宪法权利：一是在本次起诉中，二是在受托人通过监督郭先生破产案件引发的入侵。现在可以明确的是，这些战线（刑事案件和破产案件）并非截然不同，而是相互配合的：错误地试图指控郭先生的政府、和肆意寻求将资产纳入其控制之下的受托人，这二者正在携手合作。这种合作并非是郭先生的猜测。相反，它已在受托人的公开文件和证词中得到证明，其中不仅包括双向信息共享，还包括过早处置本案核心关键证据的计划正如郭先生在其关于中止破产案件的待决动议（文件号 131）（“《《中止动议》”）所详述的，政府与受托人之间的合作以非常具体的方式威胁着郭先生在本程序中的宪法权利                                                                                                       首先，如政府所熟知的那样，《起诉书》中对郭先生的众多指\n控都集中在使用 G|CLUBS 公司用户支付的会员费购买了位于新泽\n西州 Mahwah 的一处物业（“马瓦设施”）。虽然政府指控（错误指\n控）郭先生将马瓦设施用作个人居所，但郭先生将在庭审中证明，\n购买该房产是为了 G|CLUBS 及其会员的利益，并推进其与中国共\n产党的斗争、并确保中国人民民主未来的使命。尽管这些证据至关\n重要，但政府仍选择帮助受托人攫取马瓦设施，并向受托人提供\nFBI 的搜查证据，并同意在本案定罪之前快速出售该财产，并由本\n案诉讼的所谓受害者承担费用。这种试图销毁证据的行为侵犯了郭\n先生获得无罪证据的宪法权利。因此，郭先生应该有机会通过查阅\n政府与受托人及其代理人的沟通，来调查政府在多大程度上参与了\n这一违法行为","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q78956bc6ecbd104bc335","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q3f8c1676d75ab616a316","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":750,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-08T00:57:41.106Z","text":"其次，通过破产案件，受托人从郭先生之前的律师那里获得了特权材料（保密信息），即使这违反了破产法院规定的程序。受托人还与政府共享信息，包括受托人对关于马瓦设施所有权的所谓“分析”。郭先生没有得到这份分析报告，因此无从得知它是否基于政府不应接触的特权（保密）信息。事实上，因为没有查阅受托\n人与政府之间的沟通（显然这样的沟通有很多），郭先生也无从得知受托人是否在其他情况下向政府提供了特权信息。如果这些通信显示受托人向政府提供了享有特权的（保密）信息（即使政府并不知道这些是特权信息），那么郭先生将至少有权提出动议，要求禁止提供这些享有特权保护的通信，并要求其他适当的救济。出于同样的原因，郭先生也有权查阅政府与受托人及其代理人之间的沟通。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f8c1676d75ab616a316","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q607838cd1a131b3357ae","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":751,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-08T03:39:53.581Z","text":"[删节：成员身份] 这群里活跃的人都比我投的多 不然不会这么卖力 你要加油啊","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q607838cd1a131b3357ae","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q31387799d65c20798b31","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":752,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-08T03:53:47.328Z","text":"法轮功没有投资吧，要什么钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"q060a70bc86d6a9138fab","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q31387799d65c20798b31","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q48c71e66d627a617511f","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":753,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-08-08T04:01:42.157Z","text":"可能不叫做投资，但是，肯定包含钱啊！要不然为什么没收洗钱共谋啊？具体我不知道。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q31387799d65c20798b31","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48c71e66d627a617511f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q31387799d65c20798b31","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q8d5967ae43b679042edb","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":754,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-08T04:33:31.084Z","text":"他们肯定有涉及资金的问题，但涉及到的人肯定没有郭这么多","edited":false,"reply_to":"q48c71e66d627a617511f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d5967ae43b679042edb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48c71e66d627a617511f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q1c58c33d979899b575f0","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":755,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T05:58:00.131Z","text":"老郭被assign了case manager","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c58c33d979899b575f0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q1941b1bf963016ce70c8","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":756,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T05:58:10.215Z","text":"Christina palacios","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1941b1bf963016ce70c8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q479c7bd4aa473c64f330","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":757,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-08-08T06:07:23.472Z","text":"专案小组","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q479c7bd4aa473c64f330","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qbe45b6a0e0dcc3966ce3","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":758,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-08-08T06:08:21.041Z","text":"美国也学老共吗？给配个专案人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1c58c33d979899b575f0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe45b6a0e0dcc3966ce3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c58c33d979899b575f0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q9821ead9c1987d730f3b","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":759,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-08T06:14:34.402Z","text":"每个自诉人也配有一个 case manager 的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9821ead9c1987d730f3b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qc9e4ba25099926642ff1","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":760,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-08T06:28:31.208Z","text":"喜国人维权之路漫漫","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9e4ba25099926642ff1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qbb30db164822d4a43ba1","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":761,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-08T06:53:54.379Z","text":"下一步该律师上任了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1c58c33d979899b575f0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb30db164822d4a43ba1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c58c33d979899b575f0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q1fe3ce5be7d918bea6ae","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":762,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T08:56:43.596Z","text":"你还要问一个问题，破产案luc是怎么从刑事案，拿到Mahwah的处置权","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3f8c1676d75ab616a316","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1fe3ce5be7d918bea6ae","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f8c1676d75ab616a316","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q701abd1945da32e82d4b","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":763,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-08T11:58:28.308Z","text":". 债务人最大的单一债权人Pacific Alliance Asia Opportunity L.P.（简称“PAX”）曾寻求驳回债务人的第11章破产案（破产案ECF编号346、406、408），债务人对此表示同意（破产案ECF编号344）。委员会对该驳回请求提出了反对。在2022年5月25日举行听证会（破产案ECF编号433）后，破产法院于2022年6月15日发布裁决备忘录（破产案ECF编号465），指示任命一名第11章破产受托人。随后，第11章破产受托人于2022年7月8日获得任命。鉴于被告明显滥用了其对债权人和破产法院应尽的义务，委员会强烈支持任命该第11章破产受托人。\n6. 在该受托人获任命后不久，被告便试图将其免职（破产案ECF编号1274）。委员会反对被告的举措（破产案，ECF编号1313），理由是：由第11章受托人彻底调查被告的财务状况，并锲而不舍地追回被告被欺诈性转移的资产，符合债权人的最大利益。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q701abd1945da32e82d4b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q384ae2cdca394b21fa25","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":764,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-08T12:12:47.076Z","text":"Dated: September 21, 2023 OFFICIAL COMMITTEE OF UNSECURED\nCREDITORS OF HO WAN KWOK\nBy: /s/Kristin B. Mayhew\nIrve J. Goldman\nKristin B. Mayhew\nPULLMAN & COMLEY, LLP\n[删节：隐私信息]\nIts Attorneys","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q384ae2cdca394b21fa25","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q0f6f5886b8bc22b719bd","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":765,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-08T12:22:42.096Z","text":"这个债权人委员会比LUC还可恶！没有他们就没有LUC ! 阻止郭取消破产！阻止郭免职LUC!阻止郭中止破产程序！阻止所有郭的主张！我看到里面有Irve J. Goldman ， 其它人应该是跟他同一个律所的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f6f5886b8bc22b719bd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qd672f10d545923a02347","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":766,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-08T12:23:44.673Z","text":"那个火来丑八怪是不是债权人委员会的？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd672f10d545923a02347","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q45a42926e68e3dc2d444","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":767,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-08T12:25:54.947Z","text":"不知道哪里去查这个债权人委员会的成员?","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q45a42926e68e3dc2d444","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qe1d8098967e674726510","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":768,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-08T12:26:05.247Z","text":"火來的職位應該高於青，之前直播時他居於C位。\n後面被人質疑後才讓位給青","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd672f10d545923a02347","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1d8098967e674726510","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd672f10d545923a02347","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q7599e2f6e1d6a2925e06","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":769,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-08T12:26:39.420Z","text":"是的，我记得他是委员会成员","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7599e2f6e1d6a2925e06","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q8c83f4fbdaa2a8009586","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":770,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-08T12:28:04.881Z","text":"你们讨论了几年了讨论出结果了吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c83f4fbdaa2a8009586","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qf42d38190bffc180e64b","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":771,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-08T12:28:54.834Z","text":"所以韭菜们被忽悠填债权人就是为了他们好搞一个债权人委员会？用虚假债权为抓手干郭干得比PAX和luc 还狠？这几个律师按债权人收回资金总额来提成？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf42d38190bffc180e64b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q9bac9751f8c794773a80","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":772,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-08T12:32:52.439Z","text":"这个Goldman到底是怎么来的？为什么他又代理余？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9bac9751f8c794773a80","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qd0752dc373e0b1e3153a","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":773,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T12:36:34.704Z","text":"这些人就是所谓的“优先债权人”\n破产案luc进刑事案，没收会优先给这些人\n14亿不够这些人分\n刑事案盖尔的6000 853i 毛都分不到\n为什么打盖尔，因为他按住6000人，这批集体代理的，最后连853n都算不上","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf42d38190bffc180e64b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd0752dc373e0b1e3153a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf42d38190bffc180e64b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qb1f4b4cb22fbfcf57d14","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":774,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-08T12:36:44.730Z","text":"还有个债权人委员会？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb1f4b4cb22fbfcf57d14","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q4d567b2056bd04f2e2b4","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":775,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-08T12:36:50.708Z","text":"你们钱没了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d567b2056bd04f2e2b4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q34ae9df60ff628714141","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":776,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T12:40:46.934Z","text":"这些人是破产案登记的，300骨干农场主，都在里面，他们是优先债权人，刑事案检方没收G系列后，会优先分给他们\n真正在刑事案等853n的，像你大概200多，和盖尔6000 853i，分不到任何东西","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb1f4b4cb22fbfcf57d14","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34ae9df60ff628714141","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb1f4b4cb22fbfcf57d14","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qa9203d61f7b9c4566f54","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":777,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-08-08T12:42:17.142Z","text":"还是老郭当初说过想赚钱的就去登记债权人，检方还用这个断章取义做为依据拒绝老郭保释","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb1f4b4cb22fbfcf57d14","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa9203d61f7b9c4566f54","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb1f4b4cb22fbfcf57d14","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q90d20aea2004dc708e2c","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":778,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-08T12:58:28.125Z","text":"你们的钱没了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90d20aea2004dc708e2c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q0c53c2c5cbe0caaec970","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":779,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-08T13:01:26.590Z","text":"你们的钱没了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c53c2c5cbe0caaec970","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q0095d188ce507639aade","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":780,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-08T13:02:45.011Z","text":"这个债权人委员会 可以被深挖挖啊， 看看都是什么货色 - 每个人在G系列的投资， 钱进钱出","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0095d188ce507639aade","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q67e537d950aaabd5ab98","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":781,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-08T13:03:34.267Z","text":"名单是公开的吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q67e537d950aaabd5ab98","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q45b099b2c13874817ca3","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":782,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-08T13:09:38.948Z","text":"唉，怎么搞的！我以前一直觉得火来长得很帅，人很正直，直到最近看他的直播，贼眉鼠眼，脱相了，后来他还戴墨镜，掩盖他的眼神，心虚了。回想起来，他捧郭也是天花板级的，说郭到哪里、哪里就是风水。\n唉，我曾经对联盟里的每一个人都毫无恶意、毫无防备，心存善念，而且额外的尊重他们，对他们的热爱超过对家人的热爱。\n这帮家伙糟踏了我对他们的信任，是彻头彻尾的失败者！Losers!","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd672f10d545923a02347","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q45b099b2c13874817ca3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd672f10d545923a02347","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qafc3e5b11f5e44e71cd9","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":783,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T13:31:13.003Z","text":"印象中有个名单\n火来 山姆 小飞象 美国小李\n都是300骨干\n李娅在郭抓进去以后，还找luc登记债权人\n说明那时候，已经设好了局，刑事案会走没收，然后拿给破产案，再交给登记债权人","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa8d44c733d768fd41fa0","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qafc3e5b11f5e44e71cd9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q24e57193b8769bb6681b","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":784,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-08T13:46:42.618Z","text":"委员会谨此陈述，该动议应予驳回。\n第11章受托人已成功追回（并在某些情况下为债权人利益进行了变现）：(i) 两艘豪华游艇；\n(ii) 一笔3700万美元的托管资金；以及 (iii) 名为Genever BVI的实体的100%股权，\n该实体又是Genever US的唯一所有者，而Genever US则持有债务人位于纽约Sherry-Netherland酒店的价值数百万美元的公寓。\n上述追回行动是基于与Bravo Luck Limited（一家表面上由\n债务人之子Mileson Guo——又名Qiang Guo或Guo Qiang——拥有的公司）及Mileson Guo（两人均声称拥有Genever BVI的股权）达成的和解协议而实现的。\n此外，受托人正致力于为破产财产追回位于康涅狄格州格林威治（Greenwich）的一处高价值住宅\n以及位于新泽西州马瓦（Mahwah）的一处豪宅。债权人将从根据第11章程序已获得的回收款项中大幅受益。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q24e57193b8769bb6681b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qeae545e610fd2b384d70","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":785,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-08T13:49:50.999Z","text":"受托人及其继续追索的资产；若批准该动议，拖延时间及资产遭进一步挥霍的风险将损害其利益。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeae545e610fd2b384d70","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qc6254b3934732d5879d2","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":786,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-08T13:51:03.471Z","text":"这帮臭不要脸，不知道谁在挥霍，3700万被 用来付了 LUC  1000多万的费用","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc6254b3934732d5879d2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q61f8c3bad864b64f0fed","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":787,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-08T13:53:23.948Z","text":"该委员会由美国受托人办公室于2022年3月21日在债务人的破产案件中任命。委员会的职责是代表数千名普通无担保债权人的利益，这些债权人对债务人持有的债权总额超过300亿美元","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61f8c3bad864b64f0fed","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q43319506c7808bbb6a8e","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":788,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-08T14:21:12.843Z","text":"就是这个替代自我动议被延期吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43319506c7808bbb6a8e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q605c8f31f1d9de7739ba","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":789,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T14:30:06.165Z","text":"这破产案债权人登记300亿，而刑事案目前没收8.89亿，还不够他们塞牙缝\n破产案分完，刑事案等着的200多853n ［用户 beg***］ ，和盖尔6000 853i，毛都分不到\n破产案延迟的alter ego，似乎是luc和南区检方，还在想怎么样可以没收GTV的4亿，这叫赶尽杀绝","edited":true,"reply_to":"q61f8c3bad864b64f0fed","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q605c8f31f1d9de7739ba","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61f8c3bad864b64f0fed","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q326927308bb0c21ce17e","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":790,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-08T14:33:33.451Z","text":"记得推上见过，搜搜关键词","edited":false,"reply_to":"q67e537d950aaabd5ab98","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q326927308bb0c21ce17e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q67e537d950aaabd5ab98","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q82a5f77c95fb127b1199","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":791,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-08T14:34:37.816Z","text":"叫什么HCHK","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82a5f77c95fb127b1199","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qce5b364d38762b6fb94d","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":792,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-08T14:35:35.017Z","text":"这是3月21日任命加入的无担保债权人委员，不认识RUI 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