{"id":"batch-000143","number":143,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-08-06T14:34:35.575Z","date_end":"2026-08-09T00:50:49.852Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 143 (Aug 6, 2026 – Aug 9, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Batch 143 (Aug 6, 2026 to Aug 9, 2026, 1000 messages) shows a divided thread on the Guo matter. Participants dispute whether Gaer’s move into the second-cycle criminal process is tactical opportunism or a rights-driven restitution strategy, and whether Dkt. 478 and Dkt. 676 reflect mixed theories under 21 U.S.C. §§853(i), 853(n), 18 U.S.C. §3771, and Rule 41(g). They also argue over third-party identity, filing timing, and the interaction of criminal forfeiture with bankruptcy issues involving HCHK, Trustee Luc Despins, and 9019 settlement mechanics. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"Starting-point dispute: why Gaer entered the Guo case and whether the litigation aim was misdirected","description":"Participants argue over Gaer’s transition into the Guo case, with some contending it was a legitimate step to pursue funds and others contesting that it should have been a separate application for asset unfreezing; this dispute frames the whole thread. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q1f77bec344e4e919be2d","qeb1daae8b2b849c04e86","q7acd09bfdf5ed1899387"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q1f77bec344e4e919be2d","summary_en":"ntp*** says Gaer entered the Guo case after suing Luc for money and framing it around refund relief, while alleging the prosecution claimed thousands of victims, and argues this detour was puzzling because no separate DOJ suit was filed. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qeb1daae8b2b849c04e86","summary_en":"ntp*** says Dkt. 478 was the point where CVRA was cited and that Gaer only raised Luc once before dropping it, and contends the cleaner path would have been a separate unfreezing case rather than moving into the Guo file. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q7acd09bfdf5ed1899387","summary_en":"ntp*** questions why Gaer insists on a government-victim framing while also invoking CVRA in the Guo case, arguing that this dual positioning appears unstable. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"CVRA route and victim-status language become a persistent flashpoint, especially around whether early-motion drafting proves identity claims","description":"Participants contend that the meaning of victim status under CVRA is being overstated, while others claim the government filing language provides a basis for that framing; the group disputes how much this matters in a criminal-restoration strategy. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q9ef9a09305a03661c4dc","q062bb954987d81e0d4b9","qf747ca3788ace2b25522"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q9ef9a09305a03661c4dc","summary_en":"spr*** argues that suing Luc for money is not itself improper because others also seek money, disputes claims that a DOJ lawsuit was promised, and says a DOJ suit was unlikely due sovereign immunity while the motion text presents a victim posture. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q062bb954987d81e0d4b9","summary_en":"spr*** insists the contract language did not mention suing DOJ or stock transfer commitments, disputing any inference that those claims were contractually required in the filing. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf747ca3788ace2b25522","summary_en":"spr*** cites the Government’s March 2023 motion under 18 U.S.C. §3771 as stating that asset seizure made the petitioners victims, and argues this supports the CVRA framing. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Third-party status, prosecutorial handling, and court focus form a second line of disagreement","description":"Participants claim the court posture is that investor labels are less important than property adjudication, while others focus on the filings and argue third-party rights cannot be reduced to broad victim labels. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qcc22e5fce1e876f20f14","qce74ec10c9d0c0ae1f9a","q2f293bd76ee5cd2c2cae"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qcc22e5fce1e876f20f14","summary_en":"spr*** argues the forum should not be fixated on who is a legal victim, suggesting the court’s practical focus is broader and may treat all investors similarly. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qce74ec10c9d0c0ae1f9a","summary_en":"spr*** repeats the same point, contending that victim-status disputes are legally unproductive because the court can treat investors as harmed parties in aggregate. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q2f293bd76ee5cd2c2cae","summary_en":"q2f293bd76ee5cd2c2cae is simply cited as Dkt. 478, with participants invoking it as the key filing in the third-party route debate. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Whether 6000/8000 claimants can be represented as one bloc: authorization, contract limits, and counsel capacity are repeatedly challenged","description":"Participants contest whether Gaer was empowered to represent a large investor cohort in criminal court, arguing over cross-forum authority and whether prior civil-SEC framing can be extended into the criminal restitution posture. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q7e26d28853ccc98ddc07","q17c8a307b1614c73cc74","q15652e6f0ca117611c6e"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q7e26d28853ccc98ddc07","summary_en":"joh*** questions whether Gaer exceeded authority by shifting from civil representation in a 6000-client SEC matter to acting as counsel in the criminal case. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q17c8a307b1614c73cc74","summary_en":"joh*** asks whether the 6000 investors actually consented to Guo-case representation, disputing whether collective authorization was explicit. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q15652e6f0ca117611c6e","summary_en":"joh*** says Gaer did not pursue the SEC civil route himself, arguing this weakens claims about continuity of representation. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Parallel arguments over §853(n) and §853(i): is the immediate objective money return or first clearing standing and procedural gates?","description":"Participants dispute a binary framing of Gaer as only §853(n) and claim his filings mix mechanisms; others still argue that without clear standing and filing position, any money path is vulnerable to procedural defeat. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qc477cf6b6cd0ccd45006","q6172d333083d4bd82269","q66a2cd3361d7b65678e5"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qc477cf6b6cd0ccd45006","summary_en":"him*** explains in detail that §853(i) is an administrative remission route, §853(n) is an ancillary judicial property proceeding, and CVRA §3771 is separate, then contends Gaer’s Dkt. 478 and Dkt. 676 repeatedly combine these theories with constructive-trust and tracing claims instead of a single-track approach. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q6172d333083d4bd82269","summary_en":"him*** argues that earlier Rule 41(g)-style property-only positioning was strategically stronger, while later financial-victim language in Dkt. 478 gave the government a rhetorical opening, and warns that “financial victims” wording does not establish each client’s factual loss theory. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q66a2cd3361d7b65678e5","summary_en":"joh*** claims that when criminal §853n distribution is reached, creditors in bankruptcy could already absorb much value (he cites a 14 billion figure), contending that this weakens expectations for direct claimant recovery. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Criminal forfeiture and bankruptcy are treated as competing frameworks, with Trustee authority and distribution order hotly contested","description":"Participants contest whether criminal forfeiture proceeds must be insulated for victim restitution or are vulnerable to bankruptcy priority claims, while others claim the government retains decisive control in forfeiture administration and the two systems only partially overlap. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q3578d04fc8b2ef6a1c6c","q776d748561273293c634","qc0201d98d8baf1cd2caf"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q3578d04fc8b2ef6a1c6c","summary_en":"hel*** argues that forfeited criminal funds are not automatically subordinated to Trustee Luc Despins, describes coordination between DOJ and the Trustee, and claims victim-protection channels are intended to shield investors from general bankruptcy distribution. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q776d748561273293c634","summary_en":"joh*** warns that once matters enter the government forfeiture framework, practical discretion lies with DOJ, and disputes claims of automatic civil-priority treatment by noting the government can characterize outcomes under §853(i). Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qc0201d98d8baf1cd2caf","summary_en":"hel*** reiterates that bankruptcy is civil while Guo’s fraud matter is criminal, underscoring the debated separation between debtor-creditor process and criminal sanction mechanisms. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Second-appeal timeline disputes: whether deadlines and supplemental filing windows still allow late claims","description":"Participants dispute whether supplemental motions are still viable after deadline events, with some citing a clocked-out period and others questioning whether counsel capacity limits justify process resets. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q96c500d510bf018d8e22","qdb8e0439235bf0d94be1","q13ea84ca211ba2c48c4e"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q96c500d510bf018d8e22","summary_en":"kir*** says the prior claim was no longer valid under current procedural context, contesting that the argued window still opens the same way. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qdb8e0439235bf0d94be1","summary_en":"kir*** bluntly states that the countdown has ended, presenting timing as a decisive procedural barrier. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q13ea84ca211ba2c48c4e","summary_en":"nev*** questions whether firms may have acknowledged inability to process too many files, using that practical note to challenge assumptions about admissible late procedural moves. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Evidence baseline dispute: whether filings and motions alone support claims or whether chat speculation overextends the record","description":"Participants claim the record should be grounded in filings and filings language, while others argue that forum participants are overfitting screenshots, contracts, and inferences beyond admissible evidence. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q50beffb776b67ac6d8ef","q5fd836b000ac36aa3938","q1829ad7e4bbc61da4ba5"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q50beffb776b67ac6d8ef","summary_en":"spr*** challenges claims drawn from contract disputes without video evidence, arguing that selective use of Guo’s statements can amount to over-accusation rather than proof. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q5fd836b000ac36aa3938","summary_en":"kir*** says Gaer never explicitly stated the disputed legal basis, and this uncertainty is used to question broad interpretive leaps. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1829ad7e4bbc61da4ba5","summary_en":"spr*** says he relies on court documents only and disputes loose extrapolation from unverified group chatter. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Counsel turnover and appeal expectation shift: withdrawal and new federal-appointee plans trigger route recalibration","description":"Participants dispute whether the change in representation alters strategic posture, with one side seeing it as ordinary, and another using it as a signal that appeals and argument structure may now change materially. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q9074dd8158e7cccea063","q178c939d793b69fe28d7","qf87f630b21946cc4cb8f"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q9074dd8158e7cccea063","summary_en":"kir*** reports that the old Guo defense attorney withdrew, introducing uncertainty over continuity in strategy. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q178c939d793b69fe28d7","summary_en":"kir*** says designation of attorney CJA is being formally stated, with participants treating this as a potentially substantive strategic shift. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf87f630b21946cc4cb8f","summary_en":"kir*** remarks that the new configuration is not an ordinary substitution, implying the transition could change how arguments are positioned. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"HCHK asset disposition and Dkt. 9019 settlement: is it lawful recovery or procedural overreach blocking others?","description":"Participants dispute whether the HCHK-related transfer and settlement are proper claims administration under bankruptcy authorities or a block against broader investor demands, focusing on the role of assignee Brian Hofmeister and a Rule 9019 framework. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q34df15749865021ef43d","qf9267483b3904f6867ec","q6a00e72f954f52c66773"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q34df15749865021ef43d","summary_en":"spr*** summarizes the HCHK adversary proceeding, noting Trustee Luc A. Despins’ claims that HCHK entities are alter egos, and identifies a bankruptcy Rule 9019 motion seeking approval of a settlement that transfers roughly $38.83 million before final judgment. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf9267483b3904f6867ec","summary_en":"spr*** details that assignee Brian Hofmeister was appointed in an assignment framework with authority to manage HCHK assets and litigation, then settled with the Trustee to transfer controlled funds and shape future claims. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q6a00e72f954f52c66773","summary_en":"spr*** says the assignee is the one executing the transfer to Luc’s account and disputes the narrative that this was HCHK-creditor intervention blocking recovery, calling contrary claims rumor-like. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Later discussion becomes politicized and ideological, weakening procedural consensus","description":"Participants claim money-recovery and procedural coordination were diluted as political and religious framing increased, with competing narratives disputing each side’s motives and hardening factional conflict. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qfcb0d153c355976ab921","qdeefbe21ed2b45640cee","qf5041900c82ded72e883"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qfcb0d153c355976ab921","summary_en":"him*** cites Guo’s repeated claim that profits are for loss reimbursement, and participants use this as a backdrop to argue no one should claim gains. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qdeefbe21ed2b45640cee","summary_en":"him*** claims the group simultaneously seeks compensation and anti-CCP positioning, suggesting motive narratives are now driving interpretations of legal debate. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf5041900c82ded72e883","summary_en":"may*** counters by labeling another participant a communist cult follower, showing ideological attacks replacing procedural discussion. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"“Money-first” versus procedure-first: which track is truly dominant in community strategy","description":"Participants claim both recovery and procedural compliance are necessary, while others dispute whether prioritizing endless process challenges delays enforcement or protects standing and claim viability over immediate payouts. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q0443fc4d6dc7a262ab24","q730d8be6acf268f5d604","qf21cc06e124885a32879"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q0443fc4d6dc7a262ab24","summary_en":"kir*** argues that pursuing funds and procedural defects is not contradictory because without money recovery there is no standing, so both tracks should proceed together. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q730d8be6acf268f5d604","summary_en":"kir*** says an 853n money-seeking position is itself a procedural issue and claims ignoring it while sentencing may itself be challenged as a process defect. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf21cc06e124885a32879","summary_en":"ntp*** questions the prior framing, indicating a live dispute over whether the money-first stance is being overplayed in the group. Community statements, not court findings."}]}],"summary":"讨论围绕郭案二审阶段的走向高度分裂：一方把焦点放在CVRA、§853(n)/§853(i)与财产返还程序，主张以第三方身份继续介入；另一方认为关键仍是刑事裁判真实过错与证据链，担心偏离路径会稀释诉求。围绕“6000/8000人”身份、统一代理授权、律师资格、合同是否合规持续拉扯，进而影响谁能主张没收款或参与程序。程序层面出现“时点与提交节点决定胜负”与“证据口径是否仅为聊天推测”的并行争论。财产分配进一步叠加刑事没收与破产优先权、受托人权限、HCHK资产处置等问题，导致返还路径高度不确定。讨论末段又被政治化、宗教化、联盟关系猜测与“动机抹黑”覆盖，群体对可执行策略长期难以统一。","guide":[{"title":"起点争议聚焦：围绕盖尔为何转入郭案及其诉讼目标是否失当","message_ids":["q1f77bec344e4e919be2d","qeb1daae8b2b849c04e86","q7acd09bfdf5ed1899387"]},{"title":"CVRA路径与受害者身份出现持续冲突，首动议时点和身份写入是否有效成焦点","message_ids":["q9ef9a09305a03661c4dc","q062bb954987d81e0d4b9","qf747ca3788ace2b25522"]},{"title":"第三方身份、检方配合与法庭是否更看程序，构成证据和结论分歧的另一条主线","message_ids":["qcc22e5fce1e876f20f14","qce74ec10c9d0c0ae1f9a","q2f293bd76ee5cd2c2cae"]},{"title":"6000/8000人是否可统一代言：授权、合同约束与律师资格被反复质疑","message_ids":["q7e26d28853ccc98ddc07","q17c8a307b1614c73cc74","q15652e6f0ca117611c6e"]},{"title":"§853(n)与§853(i)并行争论：优先是“要钱”还是先解决受害资格与程序门槛","message_ids":["qc477cf6b6cd0ccd45006","q6172d333083d4bd82269","q66a2cd3361d7b65678e5"]},{"title":"刑事没收与破产体系交织：受托人权限、优先清偿顺位与返还通道高度不确定","message_ids":["q3578d04fc8b2ef6a1c6c","q776d748561273293c634","qc0201d98d8baf1cd2caf"]},{"title":"二巡程序时序争议：倒计时、补充申请与新增主张是否仍可成立","message_ids":["q96c500d510bf018d8e22","qdb8e0439235bf0d94be1","q13ea84ca211ba2c48c4e"]},{"title":"证据口径对撞：法庭文件、动议文本是否足以支撑主张，还是群内截图/推断过度外推","message_ids":["q50beffb776b67ac6d8ef","q5fd836b000ac36aa3938","q1829ad7e4bbc61da4ba5"]},{"title":"律师更替与上诉预期变化：原辩护退出、拟入联邦辩护方引发新一轮路线重排","message_ids":["q9074dd8158e7cccea063","q178c939d793b69fe28d7","qf87f630b21946cc4cb8f"]},{"title":"HCHK相关资产处置及9019和解被视为关键：是合法回收还是程序越界与阻挠","message_ids":["q34df15749865021ef43d","qf9267483b3904f6867ec","q6a00e72f954f52c66773"]},{"title":"讨论后段政治化/宗教化叙事扩散，削弱程序与资金主线的共识形成","message_ids":["qfcb0d153c355976ab921","qdeefbe21ed2b45640cee","qf5041900c82ded72e883"]},{"title":"“要钱”路线与程序路线谁为主流：既追求可执行返款，也有人警惕无限上诉预期","message_ids":["q0443fc4d6dc7a262ab24","q730d8be6acf268f5d604","qf21cc06e124885a32879"]}],"closed":true,"is_finalized":true,"updated_at":"2026-09-06T19:13:36.387Z","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_batch","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143/pages/5","base_batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000143?page=5","page":5,"page_size":200,"total_pages":5,"has_more":false,"next_url":null,"prev_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000143?page=4","messages":[{"id":"qbdf74c811c155901d4bd","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":801,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T14:52:15.437Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7fab32497ec54abc7293","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbdf74c811c155901d4bd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7fab32497ec54abc7293","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qc954a889d4302f3d7c5a","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":802,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-08T14:54:03.880Z","text":"你们的钱没了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc954a889d4302f3d7c5a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qfc05113a6fd018037169","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":803,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-08T14:56:42.324Z","text":"luc 花了上亿， 查G系列 投资人/郭家族， 这1800 人债权人登记Luc 有没有出个报告， 说谁是合格 谁是不合格的？ 详细账目？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc89ca6c35adf6363cbdd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc05113a6fd018037169","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc89ca6c35adf6363cbdd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q5b912ac8176bfb2d537e","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":804,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-08T14:57:01.143Z","text":"包括这300骨干？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b912ac8176bfb2d537e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qfed2c8bcee13f71d3a55","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":805,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T14:57:10.059Z","text":"luc有剔除部分登记债权人\n之前群里讨论过\n剔除谁，基本是他一个人说了算\n可能300骨干，都会保留","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfc05113a6fd018037169","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfed2c8bcee13f71d3a55","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc05113a6fd018037169","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qa7fc515a13142447112a","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":806,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-08T14:58:03.849Z","text":"他是如何剔除的？ 有名单的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfed2c8bcee13f71d3a55","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7fc515a13142447112a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfed2c8bcee13f71d3a55","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qdc0fff600f7ad2f52b5b","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":807,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T14:58:13.856Z","text":"只有编号 没有具体人名","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa7fc515a13142447112a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc0fff600f7ad2f52b5b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7fc515a13142447112a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q0bc2e5fe1f3f7deb6499","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":808,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-08T14:58:42.312Z","text":"我是这1800 人中的一个， 我没有收到任何通知！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0bc2e5fe1f3f7deb6499","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q5fd8de3811d3276f9212","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":809,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T14:59:17.661Z","text":"有几个靠前的编号，已经曝光，比如9号，似乎是郭宝胜","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5fd8de3811d3276f9212","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qae68618de082c506075b","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":810,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-08T14:59:39.103Z","text":"我这二巡的文件已经用这个打Luc了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae68618de082c506075b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qeeffada66efca70154d1","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":811,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T15:00:10.319Z","text":"那就说明，是受托人一个人说了算","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0bc2e5fe1f3f7deb6499","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeeffada66efca70154d1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0bc2e5fe1f3f7deb6499","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q55be000d5c9a829b28e9","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":812,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T15:00:36.107Z","text":"luc当然会保留300骨干","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55be000d5c9a829b28e9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q9a08402ccfd681fc2f30","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":813,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-08T15:01:00.852Z","text":"另外 债权人委员会 代表债权人， 谁让他们代表的？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9a08402ccfd681fc2f30","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qea04df6131e267f29742","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":814,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T15:01:37.478Z","text":"过程不清楚，委员会怎么弄出来的，也不知道","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9a08402ccfd681fc2f30","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea04df6131e267f29742","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9a08402ccfd681fc2f30","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q948c3a8328435fe90a91","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":815,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T15:03:24.638Z","text":"［用户 beg***］ 郭让你们去登记债权人，用意应该就是给300骨干掺沙子，后面用得着。","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q948c3a8328435fe90a91","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q39d7c05a4118ea0a7919","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":816,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T15:04:32.882Z","text":"好比现在，luc剔除债权人，那么除了那300骨干的，就可以去质疑，他有什么依据","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39d7c05a4118ea0a7919","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q991fba9358d21c37973b","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":817,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T15:05:11.808Z","text":"打个比方，美国小李，要2亿，他虚假登记，luc踢不踢\n非300骨干，老老实实登记金额的，luc如果踢，也要给理由","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q991fba9358d21c37973b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q4cb7d5a96dd48032edaf","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":818,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-08T15:15:14.227Z","text":"你们的钱没了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4cb7d5a96dd48032edaf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qb0bf2421d9e1861fe8a9","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":819,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-08T15:43:48.716Z","text":"针对数据库中的以下所有名称：(a) 债务人；(b) 委员会成员 Rui Ma、Ning Ye 和 Samuel Dan Nunberg；(d) 债务人“20大无担保债权人名单”及破产申报文件“附表 F”所列的债权人；(e) Pacific Alliance Asia Opportunity Fund L.P.；以及 (f) 以下潜在利害关系方或对立方：(i) Golden Spring (New York) Ltd；(ii) Hing Ch Ngok（债务人之妻）；(iii) Qiang Guo（债务人之子）；(iv) Mei Gui（债务人之女）；(v) HK International Funds Investments (USA) Limited, LLC（Lady May 的声称所有者）；(vi) Bravo Luck Limited（Sherry-Netherland 公寓的声称最终所有者）；(vii) Lamp Capital LLC（为债务人律师聘用费提供 100 万美元贷款的机构）；以及 (viii) Genever Holdings LLC（上述 (a) 至 (f) 项统称为“潜在利害关系方”）。\n4. P&C 与上述潜在利害关系方没有任何关系或关联，据我所知，与债务人的任何其他债权人也无任何关系或关联；唯一的例外是，P&C 曾受债务人的一位无担保债权人（Bob Fu 博士）联系并同意代理其事务，但代理范围仅限于提交债权证明这一特定事项。\n2 P&C 在此方面的代理工作不包括（且 P&C 将避免代理）Fu 博士针对其债权提出的任何异议，也不包括在本次案件中作为债权人代理其一般性事务","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb0bf2421d9e1861fe8a9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qf3574f47cb38c9f158e2","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":820,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-08T15:49:18.374Z","text":"郭是因为拱竹 Julia 注册 才让其他人也登记的； 这个应该是检方司法欺诈的一个点 好像是733 打这个","edited":false,"reply_to":"q948c3a8328435fe90a91","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3574f47cb38c9f158e2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q948c3a8328435fe90a91","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q3f89365cb245a55c47a4","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":821,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T15:58:27.160Z","text":"现在刑事案的关于G系列没收，难产\n破产案luc，拿不到，很急","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf3574f47cb38c9f158e2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f89365cb245a55c47a4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3574f47cb38c9f158e2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qaecc3d86349dec37e450","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":822,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T16:00:25.259Z","text":"王案同意没收，郭案才有没收，破产案luc才能通过alter ego，跑进刑事案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaecc3d86349dec37e450","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qfbe8fd46e437053ea5a7","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":823,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T16:01:35.560Z","text":"Tony的主权冲突，把王案直接打穿，luc就压根没资格来刑事案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfbe8fd46e437053ea5a7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q9af09308ff3570510d2e","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":824,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T16:02:05.968Z","text":"而他和南区，在郭案还没开始没收前，提前处理Mahwah，就是100%司法欺诈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9af09308ff3570510d2e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qd6605b7b3ea55e941338","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":825,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-08T16:11:09.734Z","text":"官方任命：它是由美国破产托管人办公室（Office of the United States Trustee）在破产案初期正式指定成立的。例如在本案中，它于2022年3月21日被任命。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9a08402ccfd681fc2f30","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6605b7b3ea55e941338","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9a08402ccfd681fc2f30","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q5c4d73366564841c1cd5","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":826,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-08-08T16:28:46.275Z","text":"伪联盟又在宣传了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c4d73366564841c1cd5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q0bb3c9c12a833b8b8f7c","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":827,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-08T16:36:13.325Z","text":"Sarah 二巡文件出来后， 盖特上的郭美就没再发文？\n\n郭先生的电话也没了？ 而是郭先生的信息/情报？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0bb3c9c12a833b8b8f7c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q387a17103b46b479b814","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":828,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T16:46:36.104Z","text":"有电话 都是随口一说","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0bb3c9c12a833b8b8f7c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q387a17103b46b479b814","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0bb3c9c12a833b8b8f7c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qcdca6d272dfb387d3d0d","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":829,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T16:47:41.070Z","text":"这个委员会是当年单伟建的案子","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd72e1f28f28a049b39b9","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcdca6d272dfb387d3d0d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q497443cfd4fbfb720e24","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":830,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T16:47:50.233Z","text":"本来要和解","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q497443cfd4fbfb720e24","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qa8d089a082d42151948e","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":831,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T16:47:56.261Z","text":"这帮人跳出来说 不能和解","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa8d089a082d42151948e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q66da2e9c61c739ffa5f1","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":832,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T16:49:36.804Z","text":"债权人登记和债权人委员会是两个案子","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf42d38190bffc180e64b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66da2e9c61c739ffa5f1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf42d38190bffc180e64b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q1c34f8d12cb9335b5c51","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":833,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-08T16:50:34.352Z","text":"不是，是破产庭正式任命的Goldman代理的无担保债权人委员会阻止郭取消破产，","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcdca6d272dfb387d3d0d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c34f8d12cb9335b5c51","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcdca6d272dfb387d3d0d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q9d974f083ced51dbdc08","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":834,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T16:51:00.425Z","text":"委员会是hchk案子的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1c34f8d12cb9335b5c51","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d974f083ced51dbdc08","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c34f8d12cb9335b5c51","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qc1230d5e3089732ba9b9","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":835,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T16:51:06.502Z","text":"我当时讲过这个事情","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1230d5e3089732ba9b9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qc7a52073990113c44924","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":836,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T16:51:52.289Z","text":"破产案主案是22-50073","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7a52073990113c44924","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q190eb9f0f847b94dcf81","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":837,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T16:52:09.940Z","text":"这个债权人委员会 hchk是一个子案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q190eb9f0f847b94dcf81","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qf08c15d79f26bc64c17b","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":838,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-08T16:52:17.742Z","text":"我前面已经发了，债务人最大的单一债权人Pacific Alliance Asia Opportunity L.P.（简称“PAX”）曾寻求驳回债务人的第11章破产案（破产案ECF编号346、406、408），债务人对此表示同意（破产案ECF编号344）。委员会对该驳回请求提出了反对。在2022年5月25日举行听证会（破产案ECF编号433）后，破产法院于2022年6月15日发布裁决备忘录（破产案ECF编号465），指示任命一名第11章破产受托人。随后，第11章破产受托人于2022年7月8日获得任命。鉴于被告明显滥用了其对债权人和破产法院应尽的义务，委员会强烈支持任命该第11章破产受托人。\n在该受托人获任命后不久，被告便试图将其免职（破产案ECF编号1274）。委员会反对被告的举措（破产案，ECF编号1313），理由是：由第11章受托人彻底调查被告的财务状况，并锲而不舍地追回被告被欺诈性转移的资产，符合债权人的最大利益。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf08c15d79f26bc64c17b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q8a8de45d5043adc18214","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":839,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T16:52:46.949Z","text":"后来所有郭的民事案并入22-50073","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf08c15d79f26bc64c17b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a8de45d5043adc18214","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf08c15d79f26bc64c17b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q859e9ea4364a813195f6","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":840,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T16:54:05.572Z","text":"郭文贵破产案对刑事案的影响 只有庭审前 保释时候瑞恩写的733司法欺诈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q859e9ea4364a813195f6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qd9194fb8bb6a3e95b5f4","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":841,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T16:54:52.266Z","text":"如果想打luc 很好的思路 就是luc在刑事案司法欺诈 然后介入到破产案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd9194fb8bb6a3e95b5f4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q1ba4f365bb2768490e38","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":842,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-08T16:55:55.932Z","text":"Ms. Ru Shui（真实姓名：Ms. Yumei Hao / 郝玉梅）  Mr. Shan Mu（真实姓名：Mr. Yongping Yan / 阎永平）                                                              委员会负责人/律师：Attorney Yongbing Zhang（张永平律师）：被文件明确指出是该所谓债权人委员会的领导者，曾安排干预方采取行动，且因在多起针对破产托管人的平行诉讼中发起恶意、轻率的诉讼已被美国纽约南区联邦地区法院实施《联邦民事诉讼规则》第11条制裁。                                                                                                                                 5. 这个委员会是做什么用的？根据法庭调查和裁决书的认定，这个所谓的 HCHK 债权人委员会的实际用途和目的并非真正代表普通商业债权人维护合法权益，而是：指令提起诉讼：该委员会及其领导者（张永平律师）指示本案的拟议干预方（BC LTD、GWGOPNZ、Shih 先生）向法院提起干预动议，试图拿回所谓的“借款”。  配合债务人进行干扰与骚扰：法庭查明并认定，该委员会成员实际上是债务人郭文贵的“密切同伙”。他们的主要目的是为了替郭文贵“解围”或“出头”，通过在法院内外发起各种诉讼和抗议活动，向破产托管人（Trustee）及其法律团队施加压力、进行骚扰，从而蓄意阻挠和破坏第11章破产清算程序的正常进行。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ba4f365bb2768490e38","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q8876686419c6e03e8505","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":843,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-08T16:57:40.356Z","text":"这个律师倒霉了，被南区法院制裁","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8876686419c6e03e8505","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q2b267235d50baafd151b","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":844,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-08T16:58:36.035Z","text":"；这个不是张永平，是张勇兵吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2b267235d50baafd151b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q33d45c3f276f8f61435e","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":845,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T16:59:31.134Z","text":"就是张永兵","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33d45c3f276f8f61435e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qbd3381f441c31964181e","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":846,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T17:12:07.680Z","text":"HCHK债权人委员会，就是组织抗议luc 单伟建，这帮人自己选自己，成立的委员会\n无担保债权人委员会，是1800在luc那登记的代表","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1ba4f365bb2768490e38","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd3381f441c31964181e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ba4f365bb2768490e38","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qc2811f4bd25386e369d4","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":847,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-08T17:20:56.471Z","text":"我看这个无担保债权人委员会主要代表吴争，孟伟参前20大债权人，1800在那里没话语权","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2811f4bd25386e369d4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q1a6d64e16b810e5bd0c1","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":848,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T17:26:29.851Z","text":"300骨干在这1800破产案债权人里\n骨干们在刑事案搅浑水，类似 [删节：隐私信息] ，目的就是保证检方可以没收G系列，优先拿给破产案，给到PAG和他们自己\n刑事案里，被盖尔代理的，Goveman代理的，最终都拿不到钱","edited":true,"reply_to":"qc2811f4bd25386e369d4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a6d64e16b810e5bd0c1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2811f4bd25386e369d4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q34df15749865021ef43d","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":849,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-08T17:31:38.866Z","text":"案件背景：文件涉及何万伟（Ho Wan Kwok，又名郭文贵/Miles Kwok等）的破产清算案（第11章破产保护）。破产托管人（Chapter 11 Trustee）Luc A. Despins 针对 HCHK 实体（包括 HCHK Technologies, Inc.、HCHK Property Management, Inc. 和 Lexington Property and Staffing, Inc.）及其受让人（Assignee）Brian Hofmeister 提起了对抗诉讼（Adversary Proceeding）。                                                                      托管人请求法院裁定这些 HCHK 实体是债务人（郭文贵）的“分身”（Alter Egos），或者其资产由债务人实质拥有。  核心动议（Motion）：本文件是破产托管人根据美国破产法规则第9019条（Bankruptcy Rule 9019）提交的动议，旨在请求法院批准托管人与 HCHK 实体受让人达成的和解协议（Settlement Agreement）。                             和解协议的主要内容：                                                                           资金转移：受让人将把控制下的 HCHK 实体账户中的大约 3883 万多美元现金，转移至托管人控制的独立托管账户中，作为待最终判决前的临时保存。                                                                                                                诉讼配合：受让人同意在对抗诉讼中不再对托管人寻求的主张（如分身认定）提出异议或提交反对答辩状。  后续管理与专业费用：在满足特定条件和法院最终裁决的前提下，和解协议对受让人及其专业顾问（如律师事务所、财务顾问等）的费用支付、免责条款（Exculpation）以及针对受让人的索赔禁令（Channeling Injunction）作出了安排。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34df15749865021ef43d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q6a00e72f954f52c66773","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":850,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-08T17:42:17.775Z","text":"明明是HCHK的受让人要与LUC和解把HCHK的3883万要转给LUC的帐户，联盟这帮人以HCHK债权人的名义阻止，你们前面说的那些岂不是造谣？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcdca6d272dfb387d3d0d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a00e72f954f52c66773","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcdca6d272dfb387d3d0d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qabcce8e8918be090aa18","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":851,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T17:43:13.479Z","text":"就是单伟建要和解  这帮人阻碍","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6a00e72f954f52c66773","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qabcce8e8918be090aa18","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a00e72f954f52c66773","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q7de7c5e72cae0c139afa","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":852,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T17:43:52.692Z","text":"参考前不久，郭强的官司在BVI赢了，luc要赔钱，但他提议要从扣押的G系列里抵账，随后青组织1800债权人抗议，就是对抗性诉讼\n结果是故意输，给luc送抓手\n这和HCHK委员会干的事儿，是一个套路\n用对抗性诉讼，做实alter ego","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7de7c5e72cae0c139afa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qc10b66ef579003d7860b","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":853,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T17:44:20.781Z","text":"［用户 spr***］ 难怪和联盟[屏蔽词]火石 阿刁混一起","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc10b66ef579003d7860b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qb8e18bc76ccb16e474ba","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":854,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T17:45:58.232Z","text":"［用户 spr***］ 上了二巡还在说盖尔写得好 也不知道你是真脑子不行 还是收了联盟的好处？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8e18bc76ccb16e474ba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q68361ff24665765b2e63","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":855,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-08T17:51:02.455Z","text":"破产案好像还有一个代理律师？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd6605b7b3ea55e941338","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68361ff24665765b2e63","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6605b7b3ea55e941338","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q63edf84613e46229652d","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":856,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-08T17:51:44.260Z","text":"改成转述别人接的电话了，现在改口有毛用啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0bb3c9c12a833b8b8f7c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63edf84613e46229652d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0bb3c9c12a833b8b8f7c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q5e1cf21561def4a4641b","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":857,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-08T17:53:18.701Z","text":"名单在第几页","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd72e1f28f28a049b39b9","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e1cf21561def4a4641b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q77b7fcad35fc1ee05dda","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":858,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-08T17:54:00.762Z","text":"这个群玩不了假的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77b7fcad35fc1ee05dda","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q000256aba12e45526ab4","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":859,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T17:54:20.935Z","text":"我看是联盟被你吓得不敢说接电话了 他们就用其他方法来这里捣乱","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa0789bff486639cae084","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q000256aba12e45526ab4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q720ba9d36e3838d69818","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":860,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T17:55:11.173Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]  我现在怀疑你在替联盟干事","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q720ba9d36e3838d69818","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qa64d51e38cf99230c544","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":861,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-08T17:56:17.908Z","text":"是的。我把他们的言行搬到 PDF 文件上去了，然后发给二巡。把他们的底裤都扒了。🤪","edited":false,"reply_to":"q000256aba12e45526ab4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa64d51e38cf99230c544","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q000256aba12e45526ab4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qf9267483b3904f6867ec","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":862,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-08T17:57:12.285Z","text":"文件中的“受让人（Assignee）Brian Hofmeister”是指在纽约州法院的财产转让程序中，被指定全权负责接管、管理和处置 HCHK 实体（HCHK Entities）资产及事务的法定管理人或受托人。  具体来说，他的角色和职责包括：资产接管：2023年4月，HCHK 实体（包括 HCHK Technologies 等公司）签署了资产转让契约（Deed of Assignment），将他们的所有资产正式转让给了 Brian Hofmeister，供其为债权人的利益进行处理（即通常所说的“为债权人利益转让”程序，Assignment for the Benefit of Creditors）。  法定权力：根据转让文件，Brian Hofmeister 拥有代表这些实体解决索赔、起诉或应诉，以及妥善管理其资产（如银行账户中的资金、位于纽约哥伦布圆环的办公室及资产等）的法定权力。  本案中的转变：在破产托管人对 HCHK 实体提起诉讼并试图将其认定为债务人（郭文贵）的“分身”后，Brian Hofmeister 作为被告及资产控制人，最终选择与破产托管人达成和解。根据和解协议，他负责将控制的约3883万美元资金转移至托管人账户，并不再反对托管人的诉求，同时换取了相关的免责和费用补偿。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf9267483b3904f6867ec","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q7fbbccf47df63e3af654","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":863,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T17:58:14.966Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]  这不就是另一个 [删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":"qf9267483b3904f6867ec","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7fbbccf47df63e3af654","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf9267483b3904f6867ec","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q1829ad7e4bbc61da4ba5","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":864,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-08T18:00:00.118Z","text":"我只看过法庭文件才说话，不会像某些人一样，一张嘴那么轻率，没什么证据就叭叭叭","edited":false,"reply_to":"q000256aba12e45526ab4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1829ad7e4bbc61da4ba5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q000256aba12e45526ab4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qfacac5c341609bf899bd","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":865,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-08T18:00:29.863Z","text":"我也想这么说的。处处都有背叛。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7fbbccf47df63e3af654","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfacac5c341609bf899bd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7fbbccf47df63e3af654","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q0165fc103944d4c469f3","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":866,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-08T18:00:52.292Z","text":"法庭文件这么说的，难道GEMINI会骗人？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0165fc103944d4c469f3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qe00f53bb8b6fdddb4f72","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":867,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T18:01:33.090Z","text":"hchk 几年前早就被我们研究透了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe00f53bb8b6fdddb4f72","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q2e6a070eb94d1cc5cc34","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":868,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T18:01:50.112Z","text":"郭文贵直播自己说的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e6a070eb94d1cc5cc34","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q64456bec94b0cd228cfd","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":869,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T18:01:54.628Z","text":"单伟建要和解","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64456bec94b0cd228cfd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q5cfe6d624753d677bc0e","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":870,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T18:02:06.730Z","text":"后来和解黄了 他当时说共产党捣乱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5cfe6d624753d677bc0e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q332cf3318aa4eb81fc9c","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":871,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T18:02:12.598Z","text":"其实是债权人委员会阻碍","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q332cf3318aa4eb81fc9c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q7f665168b13c2838ca20","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":872,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T18:02:26.708Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 你到底看没看过郭文贵直播","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f665168b13c2838ca20","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q80fd31caef0d777706af","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":873,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T18:03:27.732Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 你研究这玩意有个屁用？ hchk这些东西 最多也就关联到破产案  和刑事案 最多也就是733 保释前司法欺诈的关系","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q80fd31caef0d777706af","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qa113ee02dac62f2971bd","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":874,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-08-08T18:04:12.133Z","text":"我感觉他有点在分散注意力的样子","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa113ee02dac62f2971bd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q76630e1bd0cf91d5e7c2","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":875,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T18:04:13.724Z","text":"HCHK委员会捣乱，就是演戏，配合luc\n把不配合，对抗的黑锅，丢给郭\n这和郭的保释被拒绝，也有关系","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe00f53bb8b6fdddb4f72","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76630e1bd0cf91d5e7c2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe00f53bb8b6fdddb4f72","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q9d947c4a7549d4d7bc5d","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":876,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T18:06:18.228Z","text":"她和联盟的[删节：成员身份] 关系很不错 之前是卖了他们的信息来这个群","edited":true,"reply_to":"qa113ee02dac62f2971bd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d947c4a7549d4d7bc5d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa113ee02dac62f2971bd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q141ae35c8061a9a81d61","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":877,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T18:07:13.644Z","text":"是什么可信之人？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q141ae35c8061a9a81d61","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q1f0050a584a2fb1a0528","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":878,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T18:07:40.626Z","text":"最近的郭强BVI案子，赢了luc\n青组织的1800债权人抗议，是一个套路，配合luc表演\n又是对抗性诉讼，输官司，然后luc实现他的计划","edited":false,"reply_to":"q76630e1bd0cf91d5e7c2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f0050a584a2fb1a0528","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76630e1bd0cf91d5e7c2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q63fc812d88dd120bd225","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":879,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T18:11:12.173Z","text":"从盖尔的问题，开始攻击我，说大部分都是错的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa113ee02dac62f2971bd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63fc812d88dd120bd225","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa113ee02dac62f2971bd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qab492379e61b75fb99a4","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":880,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T18:11:37.456Z","text":"［用户 him***］  这不就是himam第二  ［用户 spr***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"q63fc812d88dd120bd225","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab492379e61b75fb99a4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63fc812d88dd120bd225","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q558abe72d5c06f9d54e5","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":881,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T18:12:33.200Z","text":"也耐心和她梳理了盖尔的问题所在，一般人应该都可以看明白","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q558abe72d5c06f9d54e5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q36a2f3ae3659c15b3548","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":882,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T18:13:04.143Z","text":"［用户 spr***］ 你别忘了我跟你有私聊 你怎么给联盟洗地的我都可以放出来","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36a2f3ae3659c15b3548","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q70b0527637c560ee043d","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":883,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T18:14:38.284Z","text":"还在绕盖尔这个问题的话，就没有意思了\n今天又扯到破产案债权人的问题，也耐心说了，群里都有以前的讨论记录","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q70b0527637c560ee043d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q1a9a424a9a5741ecd706","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":884,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T18:16:33.418Z","text":"［用户 spr***］  ［用户 him***］  我建议你们全部把群里你们想说的 都打包上二巡 我在二巡恭候大驾","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a9a424a9a5741ecd706","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q4936b2acb6c530f91d5d","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":885,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T18:19:53.111Z","text":"没有人有义务，给你解答问题\n［用户 spr***］ 自己去问agent，或者去问 ［用户 him***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4936b2acb6c530f91d5d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q48393b94716c7b035c2e","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":886,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-08-08T18:25:31.623Z","text":"原来是这样的啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48393b94716c7b035c2e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qffa0a6ad5e2a74a9fe69","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":887,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T18:27:50.146Z","text":"这些人，都急着给853n洗白","edited":false,"reply_to":"q48393b94716c7b035c2e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qffa0a6ad5e2a74a9fe69","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48393b94716c7b035c2e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qcee302954de9aa599d50","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":888,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T18:28:27.465Z","text":"但最终853n排在破产案债权人后面，毛都没有","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcee302954de9aa599d50","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qb96a8d0f5f22d49bbb20","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":889,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-08T18:29:14.350Z","text":"有点像 ［用户 him***］ 突然转向","edited":true,"reply_to":"q720ba9d36e3838d69818","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb96a8d0f5f22d49bbb20","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q720ba9d36e3838d69818","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q56b8a5dd43cd265c141d","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":890,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T18:29:53.299Z","text":"［用户 kir***］ 是不是还有一个原因，几帮人在为郭案，下最终没收令，然后组织投资者填表，做预热？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56b8a5dd43cd265c141d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q37e77b39d7e26e444767","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":891,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T18:30:35.532Z","text":"可能的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q56b8a5dd43cd265c141d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37e77b39d7e26e444767","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56b8a5dd43cd265c141d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q136339dca8d858eb5514","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":892,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T18:30:35.897Z","text":"几帮人蠢，看不懂这个没收令难产的原因，还在幻想继续推进下去","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q136339dca8d858eb5514","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q69e55185e7f1750eec8f","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":893,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T18:31:26.084Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 讲853n只能谈钱\n［用户 spr***］ 讲853n才能拿到钱","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69e55185e7f1750eec8f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q1bf01bbe2a8963ce1414","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":894,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T18:32:53.942Z","text":"就是带偏风向嘛，怕853n去二巡，不谈钱，谈程序","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1bf01bbe2a8963ce1414","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q5b4bc8a40d073cdfc633","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":895,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T18:33:32.192Z","text":"你看看她自己的强制令 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肯定惹不起\n保盖尔和破产案，就是给吴争送钱嘛\nhttps://x.com/anxiaodong777/status/2086044821660021204?s=46","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22d312aa56c7184d4b79","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q7fef05487ad9f033c25a","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":908,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-08T19:15:48.274Z","text":"法轮功是捐钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"q48c71e66d627a617511f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7fef05487ad9f033c25a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q48c71e66d627a617511f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q4f516eb8707d83b9f1df","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":909,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-08T19:16:51.329Z","text":"你们的钱没了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f516eb8707d83b9f1df","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qb632ee4ba80d85cf0a17","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":910,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-08T19:17:08.329Z","text":"你不投了50万吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4f516eb8707d83b9f1df","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb632ee4ba80d85cf0a17","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f516eb8707d83b9f1df","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qdabef18d87e99ae449f2","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":911,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-08T19:20:22.118Z","text":"如果最后法轮功一个要钱的都没有，那不是狠狠打了喜国战友的脸吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdabef18d87e99ae449f2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q26d6f504c82fe512b03c","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":912,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-08T19:20:49.429Z","text":"喜国战友天天就是，钱钱钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26d6f504c82fe512b03c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q1108a44829dc46ccbdc5","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":913,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T19:39:32.297Z","text":"［用户 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是蠢还是坏呢？当她带风向式地、而不是讨论式地固执己见的时候，我开始觉得这不是一个好东西。\n经历过无数背叛，现在已经见怪不怪了。🤪","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8455b2ca82c4e13f0137","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2b7c46d759645271c724","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q3c4a35352a750103c7ae","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":915,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-08T21:27:08.675Z","text":"你们AI为什么这么多鸡血啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c4a35352a750103c7ae","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qa3e699bcb0c2fcaae69d","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":916,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-08T21:27:14.525Z","text":"是不是调试过度了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3e699bcb0c2fcaae69d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q249e8f72028745f761cf","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":917,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T21:28:15.702Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 自己没本事 桃被摘了 怪人家ai鸡血","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q249e8f72028745f761cf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q50910b8c602fdccfab33","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":918,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-08T21:28:36.754Z","text":"AI模型一定要准确啊，不然根据错误的AI模型做判断，容易走火入魔啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50910b8c602fdccfab33","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q9c46b9a0e1f8e1d6738d","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":919,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T21:37:06.816Z","text":"这个mia yang 还是不蠢的 我记得之前她在哪个群里问 推翻全案的动议怎么写？ 她自己不会写 而之前她已经在二巡写了撤销量刑 自诉人能打的也几乎被他打到顶了 反正撤销全案她也不会写 郭翻案了 桃她也有份。 所以现在该替联盟干脏活了 既要又要 🤣 ［用户 sar***］ ［用户 spr***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"q2b7c46d759645271c724","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c46b9a0e1f8e1d6738d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2b7c46d759645271c724","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q698fb8e4ff65e389c148","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":920,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-08-08T21:50:32.047Z","text":"凛冬将至来源归属 —— 核心缺陷","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q698fb8e4ff65e389c148","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q419c6994606a4164a150","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":921,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-08-08T21:50:57.244Z","text":"凛冬将至可核错误清单","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q419c6994606a4164a150","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q2417a93b0391ee92c671","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":922,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-08T21:52:46.096Z","text":"在美国联邦破产法院，个人（Individual）确实拥有“自行代理”（Pro Se，意为“代表自己”）的法律权利。这意味着如果你是债权人或“利害关系人”（Party in Interest），你可以不聘请律师，直接以个人名义向法院提交反对意见书（Objection）或动议（Motion）。\n\n然而，虽然法律赋予了这一权利，但针对郭文贵案这种高度复杂的破产诉讼，你需要特别注意以下几点：\n\n1. 为什么“可以”但不一定“容易”\n法律复杂性：破产法是非常专业和复杂的领域。法院的 clerks 和法官依法禁止向自行代理人提供法律建议。这意味着如果你的动议格式不正确、法律引用有误，或者未能满足程序要求，法官很可能以“程序不合规”为由直接驳回，而不会去判断你的事实理由是否成立。\n\n专业门槛：提交法律文件不仅是写清楚事情，还涉及到必须符合《联邦破产程序规则》（Federal Rules of Bankruptcy Procedure）、《地方破产规则》（Local Rules）以及特定的电子归档规范（CM/ECF）。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2417a93b0391ee92c671","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qca73feff5c74a064c841","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":923,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-08-08T21:52:47.434Z","text":"§3771跟cvra是同一部法。 CVRA = Crime Victims' Rights Act，18 U.S.C. § 3771 就是它在美国法典里的编号——不是两个法条，是\"名字\"和\"门牌号\"的关系。\n\n立法出处：2004 年《Justice for All Act》第 I 编（Pub. L. 108-405），2004-10-30 生效，编入 Title 18 第 3771 条。\n所以文件里写 \"18 U.S.C. § 3771\"、\"the CVRA\"、\"Crime Victim's Rights Act\"，指的都是同一样东西。Doc 478 那句 \"Under the Crime Victim's Rights Act 18 U.S. Code § 3771 (CVRA)\" 本身就是把三种写法叠在一句里。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca73feff5c74a064c841","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qc7fffb07fc439296a81f","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":924,"speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-08-08T21:54:57.096Z","text":"四段决定性原文\nECF 186（他的第一份） — §3771 是转述政府，不是自己主张\n\n\"In the GOVERNMENT'S MOTION PURSUANT TO TITLE 18, UNITED STATES CODE, SECTION 3771 filed in March 2023, the United States characterizes the petitioners as 'victims' of the Defendants.\"\n\nECF 247（托雷斯裁定，2024-03-07） — 通道在这里就被钉死了\n\n起诉后的 Rule 41(g) \"clearly barred by [21 U.S.C.] § 853(k)\"；唯一例外是 §853(n)，而该附带程序 \"may commence only after the sentence is entered by an order of forfeiture and notice is given to the public.\"\n引 De Almeida, 459 F.3d at 381（§853(n) 是 \"the only avenue\"）、Watts、DSI Assocs., 496 F.3d at 183\n\nECF 478（转折点） — 请求依据清单 + 第 I 节标题\n\n\"…as authorized by 18 U.S.C. § 983(a)(1)(A)(i) … 21 U.S.C. §§ 853(i) and (n), 18 U.S.C. § 3771, Rule 41(g)…\"\n第 I 节 \"STATUS AS VICTIM\" ｜ 第 III 节 \"CONFLICT BETWEEN § 983 AND CVRA\"\n\nECF 612（最被忽略的一句） — 他自己写的\n\n1,433 份合并宣誓书 \"designed to cover the ancillary petition and the remission process. The challenge is that no client has yet communicated to undersigned counsel that the Defendants victimized them.\"\n标题：Motion for … Return of Himalaya Exchange Depositors Victimized by the U.S. Government","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7fffb07fc439296a81f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qd5cf52dfc4b97cd62326","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":925,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-08T22:02:01.992Z","text":"凛冬将至说的确实很多是错的，但是你们团伙也是胡说八道啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q419c6994606a4164a150","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd5cf52dfc4b97cd62326","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q419c6994606a4164a150","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q31c53870f3cd6ae2ffe3","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":926,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-08T22:02:16.071Z","text":"不都一样吗，现在又开始互骂了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q31c53870f3cd6ae2ffe3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q7f654aec191c4678e67c","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":927,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T22:02:46.271Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 你们anthon团伙不也是瞎几把扯？","edited":true,"reply_to":"qd5cf52dfc4b97cd62326","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f654aec191c4678e67c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd5cf52dfc4b97cd62326","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qd63b1b6a11e1b2dbb96d","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":928,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-08T22:02:53.800Z","text":"郭的破產案原本有一個托管律師，但司法部突然指定LUC空降進來。曼寧法官還是簽字了。\n所以，破產庭應該有兩個Trustee","edited":false,"reply_to":"q68361ff24665765b2e63","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd63b1b6a11e1b2dbb96d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68361ff24665765b2e63","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q070bb8e6b59c62b1b7fe","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":929,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-08T22:06:22.905Z","text":"虽然我和螺丝哥也不是一伙的，我认为这群里说话比较靠谱的讲道理的就是螺丝哥，虽然他也不是全部都对。其他人大部分是胡说八道，偶尔说的正确。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q070bb8e6b59c62b1b7fe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q0da4c7f098e55dd39cd9","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":930,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T22:10:24.496Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 你们anthon团队要是认为你们牛逼 别在这里口炮 去法庭上搞点实实在在的成绩再来这里吹逼","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0da4c7f098e55dd39cd9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q6e26cc5e8b2554e25827","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":931,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T22:13:06.448Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge777/status/2086214110535127137?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e26cc5e8b2554e25827","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q4c1f4650eab13ed4fa6a","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":932,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-08T22:13:19.465Z","text":"其實，目前能打的只有程序不正義一個點。案件的細節已經不再重要。\n\n希望在案件細節里找到足夠大的程序不正當的點，也可以把很小的程序不正當的點都找出來。\n\n最後可以足夠讓案子出現疑點利益歸被告，把整個案件推翻、撤銷！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c1f4650eab13ed4fa6a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q3b0cb347eea591bd1174","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":933,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T22:16:58.466Z","text":"对的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4c1f4650eab13ed4fa6a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b0cb347eea591bd1174","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c1f4650eab13ed4fa6a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q3a4cfa3a38492fa471b0","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":934,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T22:17:06.809Z","text":"律师就是打的其他细节 无关痛痒","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a4cfa3a38492fa471b0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q7c003225625b2d634add","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":935,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-08T22:25:02.749Z","text":"我們主要要去研究檢方寫的文件，從他們的壞雞蛋里把骨頭挑出來。\n\n研究蓋爾現階段已經完全沒意義了。文章寫得好但重點沒寫到是沒用的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c003225625b2d634add","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q54ca41a965ad44f7140c","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":936,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T22:46:51.646Z","text":"［用户 joh***］  安小东对二巡的撤销量刑 撤销全案 相当恐惧 ［用户 him***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54ca41a965ad44f7140c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q256bf801bc8ebfd405bc","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":937,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T22:47:06.816Z","text":"打出撤销 没收就没了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q256bf801bc8ebfd405bc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q62f945054f6fde5e05b7","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":938,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-08T22:56:28.289Z","text":"我倒是觉得除了程序问题， 其他问题也要被披露 - 二巡法官也是人， 在他们做决定之前，也要掂量掂量各个方面 \n\n现在二巡第三方递的材料 如果是正常案件， 足以推翻案件， 但是这是一个关系到共产党存亡的案件， 所以方方面面都要做到极致","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7c003225625b2d634add","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62f945054f6fde5e05b7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c003225625b2d634add","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q74496d5155f0d59979f2","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":939,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-08-08T22:59:34.103Z","text":"你们不要吹我的牛逼。这些复杂的法律法规我根本搞不懂，甚至看不懂。我只是思维简单的井底之蛙一直在井底坐井观天，没有见过任何世面，典型的鼠目寸光的底层而已。\n郭文贵刑事案件，多方合力，掩盖误导欺诈等等手段把投资者受害者隔绝在法庭之外，不让投资者受害者直接去法庭说话。我只是发现这一点点而已。并且我去法庭做个榜样，开个头。这非常简单。但是，我知道意味着什么，一旦开了这个自诉介入郭文贵刑事案件的头，谁也不能停下来！\n\n之后的进展，我不能预测，也不干预不了，甚至我对自诉人的法律文件也看不懂了。自诉人也有派别也在内斗。\n\n但，这都无所谓。最终，打斗之后一定会把案件回归真实。郭文贵是不是被陷害，一定会水落石出。\n\n以法灭共，会不会达成，继续期待吧。\n[删节：成员身份]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74496d5155f0d59979f2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qc146dedef69305e433ee","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":940,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-08T23:03:18.725Z","text":"自诉本来就不可能翻案","edited":false,"reply_to":"q74496d5155f0d59979f2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc146dedef69305e433ee","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74496d5155f0d59979f2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q7bfd254d9dd9786aca6e","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":941,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-08T23:03:27.103Z","text":"这群想摘桃的就是做梦","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7bfd254d9dd9786aca6e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qaea18f77ea73e2d1d664","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":942,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-08T23:05:52.207Z","text":"更何况现在法庭上的动议大部分没有超越螺丝哥的最初的动议。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaea18f77ea73e2d1d664","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q6c77d40d01d271e3c819","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":943,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T23:08:20.079Z","text":"［用户 chu***］ 安小东这句话你同意吗？","edited":true,"reply_to":"qaea18f77ea73e2d1d664","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c77d40d01d271e3c819","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaea18f77ea73e2d1d664","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q236d97b11757b018a1e7","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":944,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T23:09:06.666Z","text":"［用户 chu***］  螺丝哥自己的二巡动议早就超越他之前南区动议了 根本不是一个等级的 你他妈少在那里瞎鸡吧扯","edited":true,"reply_to":"qaea18f77ea73e2d1d664","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q236d97b11757b018a1e7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaea18f77ea73e2d1d664","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qab83ccbc9fb3a57d20b8","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":945,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T23:09:55.929Z","text":"［用户 him***］  自诉不能翻案 那Gideon怎么回事？在监狱里用一只铅笔打到最高法法案 你瞎鸡吧扯之前应该去查查法律 [屏蔽词]安小东","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab83ccbc9fb3a57d20b8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q049eaf048acc5824d8ae","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":946,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T23:11:52.024Z","text":"Gideon能用自诉 创造判例 给自己翻案  老郭的投资者就可以创造判例 用第三方直接推翻案件 ［用户 him***］ 只会照本宣科的[屏蔽词] 果然是孔子学院的老师","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q049eaf048acc5824d8ae","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q39beeab5c18275a098be","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":947,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-08T23:13:10.502Z","text":"你说的对啊，所以郭案是不可能被第三方自诉翻案的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc525f9f9628287319476","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39beeab5c18275a098be","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q81e02f1ecea92d13302f","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":948,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-08T23:13:41.404Z","text":"但这也不等于自诉就没有意义","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81e02f1ecea92d13302f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qb2b8dc775229b3fd6964","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":949,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-08T23:13:41.891Z","text":"自訴能否翻案不是她說了算，她只不過是想打擊大家的士氣。能被她影響到的也不會跑出來自訴。\n就當她放個屁吧🤣🤣🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"qab83ccbc9fb3a57d20b8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2b8dc775229b3fd6964","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab83ccbc9fb3a57d20b8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q81570925f6931286ee70","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":950,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T23:15:47.990Z","text":"连你的同伙 ［用户 spr***］  都打了vacate量刑 人家都知道 你安小东的桃 不抢白不抢","edited":true,"reply_to":"q39beeab5c18275a098be","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81570925f6931286ee70","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39beeab5c18275a098be","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q037f42504966efcf520c","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":951,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T23:16:12.087Z","text":"［用户 him***］  你说一万遍： 第三方不能翻案 好像就真的不能翻案了？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q037f42504966efcf520c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qe199ae8ca20b16fc9af0","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":952,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T23:17:44.959Z","text":"［用户 him***］  你如果这样说： 第三方翻案创造新判例的概率 非常小。可能性不大。 那我觉得 你还有点水平","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe199ae8ca20b16fc9af0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qaebf7f5138368eb8c4a3","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":953,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-08T23:18:09.971Z","text":"你们的士气是建立在摘桃之上的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb2b8dc775229b3fd6964","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaebf7f5138368eb8c4a3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2b8dc775229b3fd6964","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q35829a1ab68dce8cc94b","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":954,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-08T23:18:25.284Z","text":"不能摘桃，就没有士气了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35829a1ab68dce8cc94b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q0cc4c224c0f6bb2ae7f2","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":955,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T23:19:01.937Z","text":"［用户 him***］  废话 没有桃 谁来这里淌这趟浑水？ 纠正一下 不是摘桃 是抢桃 抢的是你安小东的桃","edited":true,"reply_to":"qaebf7f5138368eb8c4a3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0cc4c224c0f6bb2ae7f2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaebf7f5138368eb8c4a3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q6555c11b0880af892a34","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":956,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T23:19:27.731Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 你这个[屏蔽词]说 第三方没有standing推翻案件 你就是千年法盲","edited":true,"reply_to":"qe199ae8ca20b16fc9af0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6555c11b0880af892a34","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe199ae8ca20b16fc9af0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q26d6eea95a9ac404310f","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":957,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T23:19:49.458Z","text":"［用户 him***］  你给出一个判例 明确说第三方不能单独翻案的","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26d6eea95a9ac404310f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qde3248574c3c369d5e20","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":958,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-08T23:21:19.185Z","text":"剛上任的司法部長布蘭奇就是為翻案而生的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaebf7f5138368eb8c4a3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde3248574c3c369d5e20","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaebf7f5138368eb8c4a3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qebcecc193035f6093f9f","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":959,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-08T23:22:10.079Z","text":"托德·布蘭奇（Todd Blanche）從一名堅定的民主黨人轉變為共和黨人並最終出任特朗普政府的司法部長。\n\n其轉變並非源於長期的右翼政治理念，而是職業生涯的機遇、對司法體系幻滅以及商業務實主義共同作用的結果。\n\n具體的轉變軌跡與核心原因可以解析為以下三個主要維度：\n\n1. 昔日的「堅定民主黨人」背景在投奔特朗普陣營之前，布蘭奇的政治光譜完全屬於傳統的建制派民主黨：民主黨忠實擁護者：據《金融時報》記者透露，布蘭奇過去不僅僅是登記為民主黨人，更是一位在情感上高度投入的黨員。\n\n為希拉莉落淚：布蘭奇的子女曾透露，在 2016 年總統大選希拉莉·克林頓（Hillary Clinton）敗給特朗普當晚，布蘭奇甚至為此流下了眼淚。此時的他與特朗普的政治理念完全處於對立面。\n\n2. 商業務實主義與「白領辯護圈」的市場空白布蘭奇轉變的催化劑，始於他作為頂尖刑事辯護律師的職業選擇：精英律師圈的迴避：特朗普在面臨多宗刑事起訴時，紐約和華盛頓多數主流白領辯護律師（白領律師酒吧）因為政治原因或擔心損害律所聲譽，紛紛拒絕為特朗普提供辯護。\n\n💥發現職業機遇：布蘭奇敏銳地看到了這個極具歷史曝光度的市場空白。為了全職代理特朗普的案件，他毅然辭去了著名頂尖律所 Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft 的合夥人職位，創立了自己的律所。\n\n對於一名頂級訴訟律師而言，商業利益與經手歷史性大案的誘惑，超越了原本的黨派傾向。\n\n💥3. 對司法體系「武器化」的親身感受與幻滅這是布蘭奇在意識形態上完成向右轉的關鍵內在邏輯：第一視角的「受害者」體驗：布蘭奇在親自為特朗普辯護紐約封口費案、以及應對拜登政府司法部提出的兩宗聯邦刑事起訴時，產生了強烈的政治體會。\n\n💥觀念的徹底重塑：他多次在公開場合與參議院聽證會上強調，這幾年的辦案經歷讓他親眼目睹了司法體系是如何被「武器化」來對付政治對手的。\n\n💥這種對現行民主黨執政下司法體系的強烈不滿，促使他完成了從「為客戶服務的律師」到「認同共和黨反武器化敘事」的政治轉變。\n\n💥總結：\n布蘭奇的轉變是一個「政治精英律師 \\(\\rightarrow \\) 商業 pragmatist（務實主義者） \\(\\rightarrow \\) 政治新星」的典型路線。他因為大膽接下無人敢接的特朗普官司而改寫了人生軌跡，並在與民主黨主導的公訴方激烈交鋒中，最終將自己的政治皮膚徹底換成了共和黨。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qebcecc193035f6093f9f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q06f6d5269148e2226b06","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":960,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-08T23:22:37.942Z","text":"啊？你们是想靠自己，还是要靠司法部长啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qde3248574c3c369d5e20","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06f6d5269148e2226b06","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde3248574c3c369d5e20","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q093c2fcaf375d337f457","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":961,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-08-08T23:47:37.271Z","text":"https://x.com/baoliaogeming/status/2086237831887036517?s=20","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q093c2fcaf375d337f457","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qcaa343813f30b4fc4e32","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":962,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-08T23:51:08.222Z","text":"［用户 kir***］ Anthon意思是，她背后有吴争，后台够硬\n自诉的野路子，没靠山🤣 🤣 🤣","edited":true,"reply_to":"q06f6d5269148e2226b06","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcaa343813f30b4fc4e32","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06f6d5269148e2226b06","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qa1597419f446f469806b","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":963,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T23:55:03.418Z","text":"你这句话道出了本质。 这就是 [删节：隐私信息] anthon团队 等靠要的弱势文化。 在家靠父母 出门靠朋友 自诉靠吴争 小到一个群体  大到一个民族 其命运都是其文化属性决定的。 强制文化造就强者 弱势文化造就弱者。 自诉， 利用天道运行规律的自诉文化，即强制文化。 这两派人最后的各自命运，已经写好了","edited":true,"reply_to":"qcaa343813f30b4fc4e32","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1597419f446f469806b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcaa343813f30b4fc4e32","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qf52b4366feac1caeb544","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":964,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-08T23:55:44.766Z","text":"［用户 joh***］  天道这一部剧里面所有角色 放到爆料革命里面 都有其对应","edited":true,"reply_to":"qa1597419f446f469806b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf52b4366feac1caeb544","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1597419f446f469806b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qe07937ce8432eb1f921f","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":965,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-09T00:04:27.331Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge777/status/2086242124639707288?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe07937ce8432eb1f921f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q44788407491a9eea3dd1","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":966,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-09T00:05:01.073Z","text":"［用户 spr***］  我没记错的话 你也是走线的吧？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44788407491a9eea3dd1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q85d4edb6fc8a74da3c2d","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":967,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-09T00:05:41.070Z","text":"［用户 spr***］  你是妹纸 我不弄你 但如果你的行为让我很烦躁 很不爽 哪天我火了我就去举报他们","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85d4edb6fc8a74da3c2d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q252ade675d378cf636b2","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":968,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-09T00:09:03.942Z","text":"等靠要的文化必定败给用天道办事的文化","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q252ade675d378cf636b2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qa68905f078ee57685252","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":969,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-09T00:31:08.627Z","text":"你这是什么意思？我只是把庭审文件中看到的没有看见过的内容随手发出来，你搞这些什么意思？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q698fb8e4ff65e389c148","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa68905f078ee57685252","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q698fb8e4ff65e389c148","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q53110ba7b7e17c1af3e5","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":970,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-09T00:31:42.810Z","text":"［用户 spr***］ 什么意思不是很清楚了？ 证明你是个脑残","edited":true,"reply_to":"qa68905f078ee57685252","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53110ba7b7e17c1af3e5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa68905f078ee57685252","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qcf36f7008d1d79831159","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":971,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-09T00:32:10.089Z","text":"［用户 spr***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"q8455b2ca82c4e13f0137","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf36f7008d1d79831159","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q3a3980ed6039f9d83126","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":972,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-09T00:32:52.478Z","text":"那又如何？不疯能跑去自诉？能打爆托雷斯向我下跪？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa8fcb7a85cec830d914c","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a3980ed6039f9d83126","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qaff89d982603bedf1917","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":973,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-09T00:33:07.137Z","text":"因为摘桃无望，他们现在的目的是把自诉彻底搅黄","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa8fcb7a85cec830d914c","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaff89d982603bedf1917","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q32a572c15d9fb39d5d3e","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":974,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-09T00:33:26.376Z","text":"你要理解一下他们摘桃帮的压力也很大","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q32a572c15d9fb39d5d3e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qaba1d1a276d8cb2b405d","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":975,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-09T00:33:27.888Z","text":"［用户 spr***］  倒是你掂量掂量 你自己能在我们这群疯子手上过几招","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaba1d1a276d8cb2b405d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q6b4126e63b08189c41a7","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":976,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-09T00:33:43.515Z","text":"［用户 him***］  你的桃已经被抢了 你就别嘴硬了","edited":true,"reply_to":"qaff89d982603bedf1917","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b4126e63b08189c41a7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaff89d982603bedf1917","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q9ec9e3a64de3362d0539","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":977,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-09T00:33:57.824Z","text":"［用户 him***］  接下去要打vacate 全案 你有本事就去二巡阻止我们","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ec9e3a64de3362d0539","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qe343f6477030001636bb","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":978,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-09T00:34:21.507Z","text":"［用户 spr***］ 你做你的就行了，不用理他们","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe343f6477030001636bb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q0551ad821e61a7d3fd70","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":979,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-09T00:35:10.679Z","text":"［用户 him***］  安小东 你到现在还没拿出任何法案 法规 规定第三方不能单独推翻案件的 你说的话还有人信？","edited":true,"reply_to":"qe343f6477030001636bb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0551ad821e61a7d3fd70","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe343f6477030001636bb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q4845dda25bbae8475e93","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":980,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-09T00:39:40.903Z","text":"［用户 spr***］ 你要是想不通替他们干活 你就试试","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4845dda25bbae8475e93","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q1833f887f9f0ab320405","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":981,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-09T00:42:48.428Z","text":"你说盖尔的那些不太对，但是这不是他们攻击你的原因","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa68905f078ee57685252","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1833f887f9f0ab320405","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa68905f078ee57685252","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q14beee9c17ebd8bcab08","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":982,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-09T00:43:32.605Z","text":"他们攻击你是因为他们本来就喜欢在这群制造仇恨和分裂，这样自诉的人就会越来越少","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q14beee9c17ebd8bcab08","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qae328c84e0abe7be1cb6","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":983,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-09T00:43:34.413Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 你和她是一伙的","edited":true,"reply_to":"q1833f887f9f0ab320405","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae328c84e0abe7be1cb6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1833f887f9f0ab320405","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q4d2989880b40a6570e9d","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":984,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-09T00:43:59.948Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 这点你说的对 自诉当然越少越好 多了 桃不够分 你这点脑子还是有的 哈哈 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哈哈哈哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfdbadf338647eb169e32","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q956ab704a3ac6d01fd09","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfdbadf338647eb169e32","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q06c2c9ec986c4a6b605d","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":987,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-09T00:44:25.756Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 所以你还是承认有桃的","edited":true,"reply_to":"qfdbadf338647eb169e32","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06c2c9ec986c4a6b605d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfdbadf338647eb169e32","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q4c250c0fe350e69f691e","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":988,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-09T00:44:28.112Z","text":"但是他们没搞清楚，其实根本没有桃🤪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c250c0fe350e69f691e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qec5bfa7b2078b542bd58","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":989,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-09T00:44:42.373Z","text":"自相矛盾","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4c250c0fe350e69f691e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec5bfa7b2078b542bd58","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c250c0fe350e69f691e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q9054bebfb01c08bd9c9b","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":990,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-09T00:44:52.274Z","text":"没有桃你来这里干什么","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9054bebfb01c08bd9c9b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qf806b5097ef9774ba1c5","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":991,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-09T00:46:06.054Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 把你安小东的remission废了 就是桃","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf806b5097ef9774ba1c5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q98fa0b35427907785418","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":992,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-09T00:46:13.265Z","text":"你这么有本事怎么没见你把全部陪审团指示跑一跑，怎么没见你把庭审纪录跑一跑，好好找一找漏洞准备上诉？一天天学点东西就是为了整人是吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q698fb8e4ff65e389c148","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q98fa0b35427907785418","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q698fb8e4ff65e389c148","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qa5761a1ce0d0a74d8caf","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":993,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-09T00:46:54.432Z","text":"人家指出你的漏洞 你不虚心学习 还要上纲上线","edited":false,"reply_to":"q98fa0b35427907785418","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa5761a1ce0d0a74d8caf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q98fa0b35427907785418","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qf611bdaf53a534ab1836","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":994,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-09T00:47:28.921Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 你跑庭审记录 跑一万年 都不可能上诉成功","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf611bdaf53a534ab1836","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q9d4e88389b7a790979b1","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":995,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-09T00:48:19.706Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 733不是庭审记录能跑出来的","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d4e88389b7a790979b1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qf8a6445987fbe5ba877e","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":996,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-09T00:48:44.646Z","text":"螺丝哥上去的时候根本没跑过庭审记录","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8a6445987fbe5ba877e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"qe3140671df42468706ad","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":997,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-09T00:49:09.587Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 你天天跑那些没用的东西 我还没说你误人子弟","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3140671df42468706ad","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q9638d25c245987155f01","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":998,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-09T00:50:25.809Z","text":"还有一点就是他们喜欢绑架别人，比如说代表螺丝哥，好像螺丝哥和他们很熟","edited":false,"reply_to":"q73e6c331a7dbea20f505","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9638d25c245987155f01","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q8f749ae3974b1ac9ffbe","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":999,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-09T00:50:40.659Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":"q9638d25c245987155f01","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f749ae3974b1ac9ffbe","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9638d25c245987155f01","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"},{"id":"q17c5d2d5a0f8486e67cb","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":1000,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-09T00:50:49.852Z","text":"说什么都要捎上螺丝哥","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q17c5d2d5a0f8486e67cb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000142","next_batch_id":"batch-000144"}