{"id":"batch-000145","number":145,"revision":2,"date_start":"2026-08-12T00:23:18.989Z","date_end":"2026-08-15T03:08:09.958Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 145 (Aug 12, 2026 – Aug 15, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. From Aug 12–15, 2026, participants debate Guo’s case under Rule 32.2 and § 853(n)/(i), mainly whether delayed filing in the second hearing is procedural error. They dispute evidentiary proof of control, whether a § 853(n) win changes the $889 million proceeds framework tied to the June 29, 2026 sentencing figure, and whether restitution can outrank bankruptcy recovery. Source authenticity and identity narratives were repeatedly used to harden factions. Community statements, not court findings. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"Initial dispute: whether late handling of § 853(n) in the second hearing is procedural injustice","description":"Participants argue over whether the absent 853(n) upload in the second hearing supports a procedural complaint or is mainly a misunderstanding of procedure. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q5d641201980edc6f3b4f","q759974f7e53a34b091af","q86e5bdfba337d6fd55f2"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q5d641201980edc6f3b4f","summary_en":"One participant says no one had actually claimed that the missing 853(n) upload in the second hearing itself constituted procedural injustice. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q759974f7e53a34b091af","summary_en":"Another participant asks what argument could be made in the second hearing if no concrete flaw can be identified first. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q86e5bdfba337d6fd55f2","summary_en":"A third participant dismisses the issue as a Rule 32 sentencing-process problem and says the 853(n) filing sequence is not the central obstacle by itself. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Rule 32.2 versus § 853(n)/853(i): forfeiture, sentencing, and collateral proceedings are split","description":"Participants contend that Rule 32.2 separates § 853(n) ancillary rights from sentencing, but they still argue that independent sentencing matters embedded in one filing may need earlier treatment. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qafe2d7a26cd90a1a69b1","q00f06505bbb153b2073c","q1f91c8ad53c28de4450d"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qafe2d7a26cd90a1a69b1","summary_en":"A detailed message explains that preliminary forfeiture generally becomes final for the defendant at sentencing, while § 853(n) rights for third parties remain for ancillary proceedings and can lawfully be handled after sentencing unless other independent sentencing requests are involved. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q00f06505bbb153b2073c","summary_en":"Another participant says the presence of sentencing-related content in a 853(n) filing does not by itself create a legal duty to file it before sentencing, unless another statute like the CVRA under 18 U.S.C. § 3771 independently grants pre-sentencing rights. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1f91c8ad53c28de4450d","summary_en":"The same theme is extended to the specific claim that a mixed filing with part A (third-party priority) and part B (independent sentencing request) may require A and B to be treated differently instead of delaying both. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"What a § 853(n) victory means: third-party priority does not automatically alter Guo’s forfeiture or guilt","description":"Participants dispute the practical effect of a § 853(n) victory, arguing that specific property priority findings are distinct from findings that would undermine Guo’s underlying forfeiture basis. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q0d8e09e3ce05384df5bd","q1f91c8ad53c28de4450d","q3638992f063b79a84164"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q0d8e09e3ce05384df5bd","summary_en":"One participant explains that a basic § 853(n) win may only carve out a third-party’s prior interest in specific assets, while a much narrower outcome—finding government misidentified property as belonging to Guo—is needed to materially affect core forfeiture assumptions, and this is especially contested against the reported $889 million proceeds framework. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1f91c8ad53c28de4450d","summary_en":"Another message says the strongest impact would be repeated factual findings that assets were never Guo’s or not defendant-obtained, but even then participants should not assume this resets sentencing, because § 853(n) is aimed at third-party property rights. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q3638992f063b79a84164","summary_en":"A third participant claims a third-party win alone does not prove innocence or that funds were not criminal proceeds unless it is shown that Guo was never the beneficial owner or controller. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Evidence chain and procedural objections: signing authority, funds tracing, and Brady/Napue-style allegations are repeated","description":"Participants dispute whether core financial facts were verified, with competing claims about control, chain of custody, and alleged constitutional exclusion issues. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qdf7ae39a71c70cae5ebd","q01d9cf7d47e637e00004","q67ac6f5dde49094cfb1a"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qdf7ae39a71c70cae5ebd","summary_en":"One speaker argues the record lacked proof of signature rights, account access, transfer authority, execution, beneficial ownership, and flow tracing, and claims the court instead leaned on unchallenged trustee and whistleblower statements over contrary evidence. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q01d9cf7d47e637e00004","summary_en":"Another claims any unlawful conduct by prosecution-side actors should be proven before such facts can be used and that testimony tied to those acts should be excluded if knowingly used in that way. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q67ac6f5dde49094cfb1a","summary_en":"A participant challenges the procedure more broadly, arguing that deciding guilt without checking Guo’s actual control and accepting only one side’s account is itself a process defect. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Asset seizure and enforcement priority: criminal forfeiture, restitution, bankruptcy, and creditor hierarchy remain contested","description":"Participants dispute whether criminal-justice recovery channels and bankruptcy claims can be separated, especially who has priority over seized assets and whether victims’ recovery can flow through different legal buckets. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qbeed6ca77bd370fb3a74","q2675ffc65eb57004f9e5","q29112a42ac5942f22fa7"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qbeed6ca77bd370fb3a74","summary_en":"A user reports that victims seek to speak at sentencing and submit written statements describing harms, reflecting a preference for victim-facing restitution framing. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q2675ffc65eb57004f9e5","summary_en":"Another participant cites AI output to argue criminal-case victim assets cannot be diverted to ordinary bankruptcy personal debts and that tracing should focus on Guo’s personal estate. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q29112a42ac5942f22fa7","summary_en":"A long AI-style explanation asserts criminal forfeiture and restitution are treated as having priority over standard bankruptcy distribution, distinguishing victim cohorts from general commercial creditors like PAX, while acknowledging the government’s and criminal-court structure can constrain bankruptcy access to certain funds. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Recovery outlook swings between process details and power dynamics","description":"Participants dispute whether payouts are mainly blocked by legal mechanics or by trust gaps in those who control execution, with outcomes framed either procedurally or politically. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qe6fb6390715a3a156b5f","qa177255f0d16b6a7d32a","q2e7478d21576ffc403af"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qe6fb6390715a3a156b5f","summary_en":"One participant says a release-related posting is not likely to appear, signaling skepticism that distribution announcements will be forthcoming. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qa177255f0d16b6a7d32a","summary_en":"Another cautions that outsiders do not understand hidden risks in the process, reinforcing distrust of straightforward payout expectations. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q2e7478d21576ffc403af","summary_en":"A third participant states that if the government prevails, recovery prospects effectively disappear, framing the outcome as dependent on state victory. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Funds path and role narratives: Mahwah, GTV, prize entitlement, and nominee/transfer theories remain disputed","description":"Participants argue over the money trail and role attributions, including whether Mahwah, GTV, and linked entities indicate nominee control, laundering, or enforceable ownership splits. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q3eb8e2b887f38900dc81","q06ea20d28e9ba21e3040","qf25d92eaf26a2442fd51"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q3eb8e2b887f38900dc81","summary_en":"One participant notes earlier screenshots had been posted and says they need to be retrieved before stronger conclusions can be made. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q06ea20d28e9ba21e3040","summary_en":"Another suggests participants are split across bankruptcy and criminal channels and portrays online fights and accusations as performative rather than evidentiary progress. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf25d92eaf26a2442fd51","summary_en":"A participant questions whether victims’ money can be seized from GTV if the company is found not guilty, highlighting uncertainty over corporate versus individual asset treatment. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Source authenticity and spread chain: screenshots, links, and reading/forwarding order become central disputes","description":"Participants dispute the reliability of shared materials, arguing that forwarding chains, social screenshots, and who saw or reposted a document first shape trust in the legal narrative. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qb7753cf8fdf3a3e7a6c2","qc63894aff0666e9203ef","q2195e8486beea3ab4997"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qb7753cf8fdf3a3e7a6c2","summary_en":"One participant reacts to information spreading online with a joking tone, indicating social amplification of legal claims. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qc63894aff0666e9203ef","summary_en":"Another claims a posted letter was read as alleging that second-hearing participants were agents, and this claim is framed as a major escalation point. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q2195e8486beea3ab4997","summary_en":"A participant shares a social post about Beibei going off-script, showing that link-sharing and platform posting are being used to signal urgency. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Politicalization and conspiracy framing rise alongside legal debate","description":"Participants contend that anti-Communist, anti-establishment, and overreach narratives increasingly compete with legal analysis, often hardening identity-based conflict. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qce031dfe36472a095793","qd08b67ca13985e633ed6","q61942a5af66c2fd566d7"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qce031dfe36472a095793","summary_en":"A participant expresses anti-Communist skepticism and introduces historical political references, indicating ideological framing entered the legal discussion. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qd08b67ca13985e633ed6","summary_en":"Another participant likens one person’s scale of ambition to a high-profile business magnate, using a political-ego comparison rather than legal grounding. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q61942a5af66c2fd566d7","summary_en":"Another reports that a member was branded an agent and asks others for interpretation, reinforcing conspiracy-style identity claims. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"\"Scammed\" versus \"not scammed\": positions shift between victimhood and suspicion loops","description":"Participants dispute whether members should interpret outcomes as confirmed victimization or strategic deception, with sentiment moving between admission of loss and defensive reframing of motives. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q556808ad3cde880193b1","q4725212477c76eaf0948","q0144a214b89305be8af4"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q556808ad3cde880193b1","summary_en":"A participant bluntly states that they still feel deceived by Guo. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q4725212477c76eaf0948","summary_en":"Another participant claims severe losses were caused by being \"too gullible\" and frames later claims as a comparison of how much each party risked. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q0144a214b89305be8af4","summary_en":"A further participant responds that if funds are gone, the practical move is to increase effort rather than pursue certainty. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Identity labeling and affiliation claims intensify factionalism","description":"Participants dispute labels like boss, aide, spy, or nominee, and those labels are used to justify either trust or condemnation in the thread. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qacc5d1ff108b7d565927","qd2296787ceb3b954d25b","q32efb1ecf69a47325101"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qacc5d1ff108b7d565927","summary_en":"One participant says a newcomer was quickly seen through by members, reinforcing the idea that hidden roles are detectable from tone or behavior. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qd2296787ceb3b954d25b","summary_en":"Another rejects a single espionage-label framing as implausible at scale, signaling contest over identity-based accusation logic. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q32efb1ecf69a47325101","summary_en":"A final participant asks whether Guo Qiang can be recognized, reflecting ongoing attempts to map real identity onto debated figures. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Strategy shifts to execution phase: 853n/853i as claim paths and disputes over counsel, appeals, and timing","description":"Participants contend that legal strategy moved from guilt review toward recovery execution, debating third-party standing, practical enforcement, and whether self-representation can secure better outcomes. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q8f0d38673d6960b4b316","qcb45df4f63f982844ee2","qc4894e629d5a982081de"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q8f0d38673d6960b4b316","summary_en":"One participant notes defense counsel has tried to argue that § 853(n) petitioners often lack practical standing, while still inviting people to litigate anyway. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qcb45df4f63f982844ee2","summary_en":"Another asks who the executor would be for any recovery plan and what basis justifies trust in that executor. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qc4894e629d5a982081de","summary_en":"A participant posts community rules, explains a self-representation forum, and reiterates that each opinion in the room is personal and nonprofessional, signaling a process for continued discussion. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Emotional closeout: wealth loss and self-protection coexist with compensation hopes and risk management","description":"Participants dispute how to process the likely financial outcome, mixing emotional confirmation of loss with risk-aware strategies around preservation and long-term continuity. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q51d1ccaf5d7485b4ac4d","q0ff2207d1742a183b5b6","q3946bd21fa1695dd7aa5"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q51d1ccaf5d7485b4ac4d","summary_en":"One participant tells others bluntly that their money is gone, framing the situation as a near-final loss. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q0ff2207d1742a183b5b6","summary_en":"Another summarizes anticipated payout structure by naming core victim groups and creditors as first in any line of distribution, while mixing criminal and bankruptcy categories. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q3946bd21fa1695dd7aa5","summary_en":"A final participant urges periodic data backup because assets or devices may be seized, while also reflecting both regret and resilience in a long-duration campaign mindset. Community statements, not court findings."}]}],"summary":"这段讨论以郭文贵案二巡与财产处理为核心，先围绕853(n)及相关程序条款是否及时、是否正当产生分歧，再延伸到证据是否可核验、是否存在检方或法院程序瑕疵。随后争论集中到财产执行：restitution、forfeiture、优先权、破产债权及第三方受益人之间是否可分离，且是否真正能转化为受害者可得补偿。与此同时，舆情外链、社媒截图与来源真伪持续被争论，反复引发“谁先读信/谁先转发”与信息控制问题。讨论后期大量夹带政治化叙事（反共、阴谋、标签化归因）与身份猜测，法律推演被情绪化与“被骗/是否被骗”的立场对冲。整体看法未形成一致结论，主要分歧在程序判断标准、资产回款路径和对人物动机的解释框架。","guide":[{"title":"起点争论：二巡未及时上传/录入853(n)是否构成程序不正义","message_ids":["q5d641201980edc6f3b4f","q759974f7e53a34b091af","q86e5bdfba337d6fd55f2"]},{"title":"Rule 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32.2(b)(4)(A)，初步没收令（preliminary order of forfeiture）通常在量刑时对被告本人变为最终命令；但是，如果涉及具体财产，那么对于第三方而言，该命令仍然保持“初步”性质，直到 § 853(n) 的附带程序（ancillary proceeding）完成。更重要的是，Rule 32.2(c)(4) 明确规定，附带程序并不是量刑程序的一部分（“an ancillary proceeding is not part of sentencing”）。\n§ 853 本身也预设了这一独立程序。法院作出没收命令后，应当向可能主张第三方权利的人发出通知；声称自己对财产拥有合法权益的人，通常必须在适用的法定通知起算点之后 30天内依据 § 853(n) 向法院提出申请。如果提出了符合条件的申请，Rule 32.2(c)(1) 要求法院进行附带程序；待附带程序结束后，法院再根据第三方权利的认定结果，必要时修改并作出最终没收令。\n所以实际上应当区分三种情况：\n法院在被告量刑之后才审理 § 853(n) 的财产权主张。\n这是正常的，而且 Rule 32.2 明确预见了这种程序安排。\n法院在量刑前已经收到 § 853(n) 申请，但直到量刑之后才把它正式上传/录入公开案卷。\n这也不当然违法。Rule 32.2 并没有赋予第三方申请人一种权利，要求法院必须在被告量刑之前解决其 § 853(n) 财产权争议。\n该文件除了 § 853(n) 财产权主张之外，还包含了独立要求法院在量刑时考虑的事项。\n这就是另一个问题。仅仅因为 § 853(n) 财产权问题可以在量刑后处理，并不意味着同一份文件中的其他独立内容也当然可以全部拖到量刑后再处理。\n第三点尤其重要。Rule 32.2 的基本结构就是：法院在最初决定没收时，原则上不考虑第三方财产权利益；第三方所有权争议留到之后的 ancillary proceeding 中解决。因此，如果文件的内容只是：\n“这项财产属于我，而不属于被告。”\n那么量刑后处理通常很正常。\n但是，如果同一份文件还另外提出，例如：\n与量刑事实准确性有关的信息；\n对量刑记录完整性的异议；\n要求法院在宣判刑罚前考虑某些证据或事实；\n与第三方所有权问题不同、具有独立量刑意义的事项；\n那么就不能简单因为文件标题中有“§ 853(n)”或者文件也涉及没收，就得出结论说这些其他内容全部可以合法地推迟到量刑后处理。\n因此，仅凭“地区法院在量刑之后才上传 § 853(n) motions/petitions”这一事实，本身不足以说明法院程序不当或违法。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qafe2d7a26cd90a1a69b1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qe77488e0591aaf3b1624","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":6,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-12T00:29:25.160Z","text":"［用户 him***］ Tony是没收forfeiture绕不过去的弯儿\n你天天激动个啥的853n，搞不懂","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe77488e0591aaf3b1624","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q678528b3574987cd4e9f","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":7,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-12T00:34:44.241Z","text":"你个人拿钱的途径，是单纯刑事案853n，还是说你安小东作为西班牙农场骨干之一，也在破产案luc登记债权人，鬼知道 ［用户 him***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q678528b3574987cd4e9f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q00f06505bbb153b2073c","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":8,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-12T00:37:16.884Z","text":"仅仅因为一份 § 853(n) 申请中包含与量刑有关的信息，并不会自动产生一项法律义务，要求地区法院必须在量刑前将该申请上传或录入案卷。\n\n这里需要区分两个不同的问题：\n\n1. § 853(n) 申请本身。\n§ 853(n) 程序处理的是第三方对被没收财产主张的合法权益。Rule 32.2 明确把这一程序与被告的量刑分开；附带程序并不属于量刑程序，而且通常可以在量刑之后继续进行。\n\n2. § 853(n) 申请中包含的量刑相关信息。\n18 U.S.C. § 3661 对量刑法院可以接收和考虑的信息范围规定得非常宽泛，包括与被告背景、品格和行为有关的信息。但是，§ 3661 规定的是法院可以接收和考虑什么信息；它并没有规定，每一个向法院提交量刑相关信息的第三方，都有一项法定权利，要求该文件必须在量刑前公开录入案卷。\n\n如果要提出更有力的法律论点，通常需要找到一个独立存在的、要求量刑前处理的权利或法律义务来源。\n\n例如，如果某个人属于 CVRA 下的“犯罪受害人”，18 U.S.C. § 3771 赋予其在量刑时获得合理陈述机会的法定权利。这与一个人仅仅以 § 853(n) 第三方财产权申请人的身份参与，是明显不同的问题。\n\n即使某些信息在法律上确实应当在量刑前被法院考虑，也不必然意味着法院必须在量刑听证前，把那一份具体的 § 853(n) 文件公开上传到 PACER。CM/ECF 是联邦法院的电子立案和案件管理系统，但实体量刑法律并没有规定：\n\n如果一份 § 853(n) 文件实际上包含两个彼此独立的部分：\n\nA. “这些被没收财产属于我，或者我的法律权益优先于被告”；以及\n\nB. “这里包含独立地与被告量刑有关的信息，而且我明确请求量刑法官在判刑之前予以考虑”；\n\n那么可以合理提出这样一个论点：\n\nB 部分不应当仅仅因为 A 部分属于量刑后的 § 853(n) 附带程序，就自动被一起推迟到量刑之后。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00f06505bbb153b2073c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q6d0acd0b8a93c7389112","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":9,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-08-12T00:38:49.117Z","text":"我曾經寫信給南區法院取消我的債權人身份，這個操作是否具備法律效力？那時候想著幫忙的，不過現在這個身份是否能幫的上忙？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d0acd0b8a93c7389112","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q686cd724db6ff5c1b08a","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":10,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-12T00:45:48.990Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 刷屏没用\n你回答不了，没收firfeiture遇到Tony会怎么样","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q686cd724db6ff5c1b08a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q680f24537b7e1560fd30","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":11,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-12T00:47:28.502Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 最简单的一个问题 rule32 要求在重大争议时不能进行量刑。 几百份853n属于重大争议 853n动议不上传直接影响到量刑程序rule32违反 法盲你妈了个逼还想来这里装逼","edited":true,"reply_to":"q686cd724db6ff5c1b08a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q680f24537b7e1560fd30","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q686cd724db6ff5c1b08a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q86e5bdfba337d6fd55f2","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":12,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-12T00:48:02.473Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 一份853n不上传是你自己的问题 几百份是rule32量刑基础问题 [屏蔽词]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q86e5bdfba337d6fd55f2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qc452455e8df69e25de29","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":13,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-12T01:20:37.336Z","text":"受托人只有权管理属于estate的财产。11 U.S.C. §541定义estate的范围，但债务人没有所有权的第三方财产原则上不是因为它位于债务人控制之下就自动成为estate财产                                                             所以如果Mahwah Facility实际上属于第三方/投资人，问题就是：\nTrustee凭什么取得控制权、出售该物业，并从出售所得优先支付自己的律师费用？                                         更严重的是你说的这个事实组合\n如果能够证明：\n\n① 投资人资金购买Mahwah Facility\n② Trustee知道这些资金来源\n③ 政府也知道或者有理由知道\n④ 政府与Trustee仍然协调出售\n⑤ 出售所得首先支付Trustee/Paul Hastings费用\n那么问题就不再只是：\n“律师费是不是太高？”                                          而会变成：\n是否把本不属于estate的第三方资产错误纳入破产estate，并通过破产程序将第三方资产转化为Trustee及其律师的费用？\n这个论点的法律严重性明显高得多。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc452455e8df69e25de29","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qc8ad9578b2a4d0944f07","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":14,"speaker":"Sap***","date":"2026-08-12T02:01:46.181Z","text":"欢迎 ［用户 qiy***］ 来到 **郭文贵法庭文件，不禁言不删帖**! 你可以在聊天区交流郭文贵刑事案件，畅所欲言。这里有新老联盟农场羊帮质疑帮绝对不可能给你的言论自由。不禁言不删帖，唯一要求是不要在聊天区刷屏。这里所有言论只代表发言者自己的非专业个人意见，如有任何疑虑，请咨询专业人士。\n\n各房间功能说明：\n\n想快速了解郭文贵案件 ->  法庭文件分类索引，老郭案件内容\n想学习自诉 -> 自诉pro se 说明及参考\n想骂人 -> 对骂发泄房间\n想刷屏 -> 揭发自诉陷阱","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8ad9578b2a4d0944f07","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q385aea475b36bb9d05a7","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":15,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-12T02:40:03.985Z","text":"他也比较尴尬\n窝在阿布扎比，哪也去不了\n阿中基金ACA capital，还被破产案luc诉讼","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4c820820c85c82f2c772","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q385aea475b36bb9d05a7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q0d8e09e3ce05384df5bd","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":16,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-12T02:42:42.318Z","text":"§ 853(n) 胜诉有不同的“胜诉理由”，而不同理由对 Guo 本人的 forfeiture/量刑意义完全不同。\n1. 最普通的 § 853(n) 胜诉：只解决“第三方权利优先”\n§ 853(n)(6)(A) 的文字本身要求第三方证明：在导致没收的行为发生时，第三方对特定财产的 right/title/interest 已经归属于第三方，或者优先于被告的权利；如果证明成功，法院就要在相应范围内修改 forfeiture order。\n比如：\n某账户有 $10 million。\n法院原先把整个账户列入 Guo 的 forfeiture。\n后来第三方证明，其中 $3 million 对应的是自己享有优先权的特定财产利益。\n结果可能只是：\n政府不能没收这 $3 million 的第三方权益；\nforfeiture order 对这一部分必须修改。\n这并不自动意味着法院此前认定“Guo 的犯罪产生了 proceeds”是错误的，也不自动影响定罪或者30年刑期。\n2. 更重要的一点：“投资人的钱属于投资人”和“这笔钱是犯罪所得”并不一定互相矛盾\n这是最容易混淆的地方。\n假设一个人因为欺诈把 $1 million 交给犯罪实施者。从刑事 forfeiture 的角度，这 $1 million 完全可能是犯罪行为所产生、取得的 proceeds。\n但与此同时，根据适用的州财产法，受害投资人可能主张自己对某些能够具体追踪的资产拥有 equitable/property interest，例如 constructive trust 一类的权益。Second Circuit 的相关 § 853(n) 法理承认，第三方的“legal interest”问题需要独立判断，而政府最终只能取得属于被告的那部分财产权。\n所以完全可能同时成立：\nA：这 $1 million 是欺诈产生的犯罪所得；\nB：第三方对其中能够追踪的特定资产拥有优先于被告的财产权。\n因此，如果投资人通过这种理论赢了 § 853(n)，并不能单凭胜诉本身得出“政府关于犯罪所得的认定被推翻了”。\n3. 哪一种 § 853(n) 胜诉才真正可能动摇 Guo 的 forfeiture 基础？\n真正重要的是法院为什么判第三方胜诉。\n假如法院认定的不只是：\n“第三方有一个优先财产权。”\n而是事实上认定：\n“这项财产从来就不是 Guo 的财产；Guo 从未取得或者拥有政府此前归属于他的那项财产权益。”\n那么意义会明显不同。\nSecond Circuit 的 forfeiture 法理强调，政府在刑事没收中只能取得属于被告的财产权益；即使进入 ancillary proceeding，法院仍必须处理第三方与被告之间到底谁拥有该 property interest。\n因此，如果后来 § 853(n) 的事实认定直接证明：\nGuo 没有取得这项资产；\nGuo 没有拥有政府此前认为他拥有的权益；\n或政府把第三方资产全部当成 Guo 的资产；\n那么至少会对specific-property forfeiture 的范围产生直接影响。\n4. 但还要再区分：“specific property”和“$889 million proceeds judgment”\n这一点对 Guo 案尤其重要。\n美国司法部目前公开说明，Judge Torres 在 2026年6月29日判处 Guo 30年监禁，并命令他没收 $889 million 的非法计划所得（proceeds）以及他在某些特定财产中的权益。也就是说，这里至少存在“$889 million proceeds”和“specific property interests”两个需要分别分析的层次。\n因此，例如投资人成功从 forfeiture 中拿回一个 $5 million 的账户，并不必然意味着：\n$889 million → 自动变成 $884 million。\n它可能只是意味着：\n这个 $5 million 账户不能作为 Guo 的特定财产被政府留下。\n而 Guo 本人的 forfeiture liability 是否减少，是另外一个问题。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d8e09e3ce05384df5bd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q1f91c8ad53c28de4450d","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":17,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-12T02:43:00.083Z","text":"5. 真正可能对 Guo 特别有利的是这种情况\n假设大量 § 853(n) petition 最终经过证据审理，法院不是简单说：\n“这些人有优先财产权。”\n而是反复作出这样的事实认定：\n“政府所称由 Guo 获得或拥有的资产，事实上由独立投资人直接拥有；”\n或者：\n“Guo 从未取得政府用来计算 forfeiture amount 的相应财产权益；”\n甚至：\n“政府用于计算 $889 million proceeds 的某一类资金实际上并不符合相关 forfeiture statute 所要求的 defendant-obtained proceeds。”\n这种结果才有可能真正碰到原 forfeiture determination 的核心前提。\n但即使如此，也还不能简单说“§ 853(n) 胜诉 → Guo 的刑期无效”。§ 853(n) ancillary proceeding原则上是为了解决第三方财产权，而且第三方通常不能借这个程序重新诉讼第一阶段已经确定的 property-offense nexus。政府在 Watts 相关诉讼中概括的 Second Circuit 法理也明确区分这两个阶段。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f91c8ad53c28de4450d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qfe62adc42251430b6678","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":18,"speaker":"wan***","date":"2026-08-12T02:47:17.637Z","text":"我估計老郭最想做的是把共匪的海外情報網給牠一窩端了，又或者最後為自己所用","edited":false,"reply_to":"q385aea475b36bb9d05a7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe62adc42251430b6678","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q385aea475b36bb9d05a7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q8d97c9d5b8f279511bbb","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":19,"speaker":"wan***","date":"2026-08-12T02:48:12.168Z","text":"就算共匪滅了，共匪的海外情報網想清除乾淨也很難","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d97c9d5b8f279511bbb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q07d3460f762e23d2934b","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":20,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-12T02:48:39.071Z","text":"屁酱已经转向，从之前的骂习，改成骂上海帮\n之前她的推，置顶的一直是习家族和Biden的关系网","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfe62adc42251430b6678","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07d3460f762e23d2934b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe62adc42251430b6678","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q3638992f063b79a84164","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":21,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-12T02:53:47.161Z","text":"853n胜诉不代表郭无罪，也不代表这些钱不是犯罪资金，只能代表你可以100%拿回这些钱。除非你能证明郭从来就不是这些钱的受益人和控制人，不然853n就算胜诉，也对郭没有任何影响。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3638992f063b79a84164","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q5c6282b1f689dc9cc130","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":22,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-12T02:58:10.400Z","text":"又开始忽悠了，853n是“没收”后才有，“没收”始于王案，王案绕不过Tony的卷宗，有Tony，重审时候“没收”就是程序不正义\n别带节奏了，没用","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3638992f063b79a84164","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c6282b1f689dc9cc130","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3638992f063b79a84164","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q356305c020abd713a822","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":23,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-12T02:58:59.208Z","text":"如果你能证明郭从来不是这些钱的受益人和控制人，那就等于郭不是boss，那就等于翻案了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q356305c020abd713a822","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q01d2d8d7c8a615f30e14","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":24,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-12T02:59:34.518Z","text":"郭是不是无所谓，也不需要证明\n“没收”被打没了，不就得了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q356305c020abd713a822","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q01d2d8d7c8a615f30e14","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q356305c020abd713a822","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q3638b75fb8e024990778","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":25,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-12T03:15:47.742Z","text":"300骨干，是他们下面的小鬼，跑腿的\n原本是要走刑事案量刑-南区检方“没收forfeiture” G系列-检方有决定权，可以把钱拿给优先债权人，也就是破产案luc登记的(300骨干都在内)\n200多853n和Geyer 6000 853i，会被检方打成普通债权人\n事成，“没收”的G系列 14亿 就是300骨干和南区的奖金","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2e1b52f2e53e6a63dc07","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3638b75fb8e024990778","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q0a63f2e382a1b4240c4c","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":26,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-12T03:16:22.461Z","text":"现在Tony，被南区压着，因为Tony可以让“没收”这个环节，崩塌","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a63f2e382a1b4240c4c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q9ff8f4bf62b9256238c9","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":27,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-12T03:17:57.764Z","text":"往大了说，涉及主权冲突，托雷斯可能连裁量权都没有","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ff8f4bf62b9256238c9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q54918bb40f4d020881b4","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":28,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-12T03:18:20.218Z","text":"王案 郭案 都要崩","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54918bb40f4d020881b4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q85bdb6c71c7d2c0088fd","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":29,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-12T03:18:44.702Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 🍑确实没了，别想了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85bdb6c71c7d2c0088fd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q25ffa3c341aa1bd048ba","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":30,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-08-12T03:34:04.456Z","text":"是什麼樣的？麻煩你詳細說明一下","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3d5b188f852cacd55c63","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25ffa3c341aa1bd048ba","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d5b188f852cacd55c63","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q1fa927387d8f97d6e449","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":31,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-08-12T04:05:59.223Z","text":"我怎麼看Himam發的信息有一定道理","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1fa927387d8f97d6e449","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q4dab190eb9d554908a07","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":32,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-08-12T04:07:03.421Z","text":"如果能證明所有的錢郭根本控制不了也無法控制就能翻案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4dab190eb9d554908a07","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q727025bb77b51b65c393","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":33,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-12T04:09:39.162Z","text":"她自己说的，二巡只谈程序\n这句话被她吃了吗🤣 🤣 🤣 \n［用户 him***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"q4dab190eb9d554908a07","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q727025bb77b51b65c393","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4dab190eb9d554908a07","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q67ac6f5dde49094cfb1a","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":34,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-08-12T04:25:18.157Z","text":"沒有調查郭到底有沒有控制錢，就一味聽luc和某些舉報人的一面之詞就判罪是不是也是程序上的缺失","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q67ac6f5dde49094cfb1a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q094cba3a2b5a5efba738","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":35,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-12T04:26:28.171Z","text":"这叫做假证","edited":false,"reply_to":"q67ac6f5dde49094cfb1a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q094cba3a2b5a5efba738","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q67ac6f5dde49094cfb1a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q01d9cf7d47e637e00004","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":36,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-12T04:33:52.305Z","text":"要用证据证明luc那边在违法，然后南区检察官办公室把用违法手段制造出的法律事实拿来用，还要证明南区检方知道或者应当知道这些是用违法手段制造的法律事实。说起来几句话，但用证据来证明，然后还要把事情捋清楚，那就看各个当事人自己的本事。那些像李亚这类所谓内部行为人的证词，与luc那边的违法操作是相辅相成的，那边的违法坐实，那么与之相关的证人证词证据都属于应当排除的证据内容。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q67ac6f5dde49094cfb1a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q01d9cf7d47e637e00004","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q67ac6f5dde49094cfb1a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qdf7ae39a71c70cae5ebd","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":37,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-08-12T04:37:31.952Z","text":"政府和法院没有通过银行签字权、账户登录权限、转账授权、资金指令及其执行情况、最终受益人和逐笔资金追踪，证明郭先生实际取得、支配或控制争议资金。相反，法院把破产受托人和部分举报人的未经对抗审查的陈述，当作已经证明的事实，并忽略农场主、中间人自行扣留或转移资金以及拒不执行郭先生公开退款指令的相反证据。若这些未经验证的结论被用于证明犯罪要件、扩大可归责损失或确定没收金额，即分别产生证据不足、Brady/Napue、Rule 32争议事实未解决以及Rule 32.2没收联系未证明的问题。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf7ae39a71c70cae5ebd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q439c9bc72d3ea7443c88","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":38,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-12T04:47:45.658Z","text":"Sarah 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这也是瑞恩一直说的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95e2291e605fba2448cb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q8afc5860eadc3e20d976","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":41,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-12T05:01:39.589Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge777/status/2087404078267871301?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8afc5860eadc3e20d976","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qce404e499e3cfeb14f05","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":42,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-12T05:02:21.229Z","text":"法庭之友 这又是福林那个案子的打法","edited":false,"reply_to":"qad92a00b144b362051dd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce404e499e3cfeb14f05","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad92a00b144b362051dd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q8a9ad8ddd548e8a66128","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":43,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-12T05:30:28.195Z","text":"en banc","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a9ad8ddd548e8a66128","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q4c7cf55546219042b11e","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":44,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-12T05:34:19.442Z","text":"老郭要求退款是哪来的消息","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdf7ae39a71c70cae5ebd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c7cf55546219042b11e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf7ae39a71c70cae5ebd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q32de68ca901205bb984f","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":45,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-08-12T05:38:57.446Z","text":"你是如何解讀出這種信息的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4c7cf55546219042b11e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q32de68ca901205bb984f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c7cf55546219042b11e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q79a9146a6ab344eb3158","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":46,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-08-12T05:39:20.811Z","text":"是不是過度解讀了吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79a9146a6ab344eb3158","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q83f2285736e17f56e2b5","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":47,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-12T05:51:56.228Z","text":"［用户 joh***］  我来告诉你 托雷斯没有裁量权 怎么让案件彻底崩溃。 政治问题不裁决 主权冲突问题不裁决 有一系列法案支持 但是如果真的要论证托雷斯因政治问题 主权冲突 没有裁量权，门槛还是非常高。 但她蠢就蠢在，直接冲了量刑。这就违反了article iii最基本的 exercise 裁量权，根据二巡以往判例： 在重大主权问题 外交主权冲突 政治问题上 不exercise 裁量权 就是滥用裁量权，abuse of discretion。 所以我说托雷斯但凡智商为大于等于0的有理数，她都不会想到硬冲量刑。 本来全案推翻的法律论证我是比较虚的，现在她硬冲了 那就彻底被她的愚蠢做实了。 ［用户 cin***］ 你这个[屏蔽词]还在高兴我预测不量刑错了 你他妈真是个[屏蔽词]弱智啊","edited":true,"reply_to":"q9ff8f4bf62b9256238c9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83f2285736e17f56e2b5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ff8f4bf62b9256238c9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q54f5afc8c222278d065a","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":48,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-12T05:53:27.942Z","text":"［用户 joh***］  也就是说 遇到tony这种证据 你必须和检方 辩方 开会研究 至少出个意见书。 托雷斯看到tony啥态度？ 不上传","edited":true,"reply_to":"q83f2285736e17f56e2b5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54f5afc8c222278d065a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83f2285736e17f56e2b5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qabbbd81f8d4db10eebff","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":49,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-12T05:53:46.448Z","text":"这就是做实了 没有exercise discretion","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qabbbd81f8d4db10eebff","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qa13e43d94c415d25691e","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":50,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-12T05:55:19.709Z","text":"几个[屏蔽词]看不出来，这里也在帮忙奶托雷斯，让她量刑，那怎么办呢\n为什么“没收”难产，他们心里没有B数","edited":true,"reply_to":"q83f2285736e17f56e2b5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa13e43d94c415d25691e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83f2285736e17f56e2b5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q02ee04c917e072f1b46e","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":51,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-12T05:55:45.853Z","text":"［用户 joh***］ 到时候 无论是tony 还是瑞恩 螺丝哥 issue presented： whether article iii permits a district judge can race to judgement while cross sovereignty conflict on the record without exercise the discretion on the case","edited":true,"reply_to":"q83f2285736e17f56e2b5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q02ee04c917e072f1b46e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83f2285736e17f56e2b5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qc4f79db0fc86aec7acbf","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":52,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-12T05:56:35.199Z","text":"［用户 joh***］ 但凡懂半点上诉的 这句话开头 都知道这个案件爆炸了","edited":true,"reply_to":"q02ee04c917e072f1b46e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4f79db0fc86aec7acbf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q02ee04c917e072f1b46e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q2cd604205f8a6352ff00","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":53,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-12T05:58:13.149Z","text":"坏就坏在 裁量权问题只是起手式啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2cd604205f8a6352ff00","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q8c6235986de3af3299ee","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":54,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-12T05:58:54.154Z","text":"同理 remission一旦开启 那就更狠 ［用户 joh***］  但我现在还不公布","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c6235986de3af3299ee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q9d0d3d951612d90c53f9","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":55,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-12T05:59:34.152Z","text":"江派占上风了？\n\nhttps://x.com/0427smtieshou/status/2087335758025683394?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d0d3d951612d90c53f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q27b8d3acf4b6eee08cfc","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":56,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-08-12T05:59:50.705Z","text":"這是我問問題ai自動形成的文字，我還沒有像你這樣想的那麼深","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa369dd85d18ddad90379","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27b8d3acf4b6eee08cfc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qcd58c25b0d66eef14041","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":57,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-12T06:00:15.851Z","text":"不是，这叫 安抚人心 \n意思是 对江的旧部 不会赶尽杀绝","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9d0d3d951612d90c53f9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd58c25b0d66eef14041","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d0d3d951612d90c53f9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q50db04fe542ffb4c7cad","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":58,"speaker":"lui***","date":"2026-08-12T06:01:43.511Z","text":"如果都沒有郭的簽字郭又如何控制這些人和錢？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50db04fe542ffb4c7cad","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qa47f55f4e7a22d858164","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":59,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-12T06:03:38.363Z","text":"量刑\n没收\n赦免返还\n一环扣一环\n［用户 him***］ 不懂就别瞎BB","edited":true,"reply_to":"q8c6235986de3af3299ee","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa47f55f4e7a22d858164","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c6235986de3af3299ee","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q759c4234c9d6e12b043c","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":60,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-12T06:08:00.633Z","text":"留下来帮他治国","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcd58c25b0d66eef14041","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q759c4234c9d6e12b043c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd58c25b0d66eef14041","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q3ea41426c94985d7aa21","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":61,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-12T06:11:49.398Z","text":"屁酱应该已经反水了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q759c4234c9d6e12b043c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ea41426c94985d7aa21","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q759c4234c9d6e12b043c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qf293d5793e0528e72395","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":62,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-12T06:12:31.840Z","text":"Percy浦律能回北京，应该就是谈细节\n［用户 kir***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf293d5793e0528e72395","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q810d4c265416b4af6ad2","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":63,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-12T06:13:21.731Z","text":"这帮人会被卖的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf293d5793e0528e72395","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q810d4c265416b4af6ad2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf293d5793e0528e72395","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qa3bd9d244574070edeff","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":64,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-12T06:13:49.990Z","text":"他们谁也不信谁","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcd58c25b0d66eef14041","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3bd9d244574070edeff","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd58c25b0d66eef14041","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qffc20fbefbf82a6f61a1","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":65,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-12T06:15:20.470Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 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G的庭审花絮，他们的总体说法就是：郭先生今天精神状态、郭的律师很棒、很给力！法官“站在我们这一边”，“哦，对不起，不小心小飞象我说漏嘴了！”\n我这辈子从不跟人打赌，而且我一分钱的彩票都没有买过，我也从没有去赌场赌过一分钱。但是，这次，我主动要跟他打赌！具体的赌约是：如果郭不在庭审结束前的任何时刻无罪释放，我将在他下一个月的生日的那天吃他拉的屎；否则他将在他的生日当天吃他自己拉的屎。总之，在他的生日那天我俩总有一个人要吃他拉的屎。\n结果，上帝救了我！在他生日那天的前后两周，我正在在外地工作，上帝把我派到北极圈去了，在那里我第一次尝到了北冰洋的海水，而不是他的屎。🤪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q282b7ac6db3e6177d97d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qebef9345d634d81b53f6","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":93,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-12T17:00:25.211Z","text":"我们的赌约是他的屎，而不是我的屎。因为我在外地上班，他不可能把他的屎快递过来，所以我才躲过了一劫。上帝救了我！🤪\n不过这也成了他日后对我的笑柄。这也成了我对联盟的恨和痛醒的根源。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qebef9345d634d81b53f6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q3ac711a71a0cf23dbad9","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":94,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-12T17:01:27.597Z","text":"你们的钱没了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ac711a71a0cf23dbad9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q708b0fc8a2f486d1f0af","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":95,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-12T17:01:55.553Z","text":"所以我觉得你看人的眼光很有杀伤力","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4557a7362e64bb212d0e","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q708b0fc8a2f486d1f0af","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qf1e2a98e6feb99f08257","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":96,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-12T17:02:26.665Z","text":"哪里哪里，只是直觉","edited":false,"reply_to":"q708b0fc8a2f486d1f0af","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1e2a98e6feb99f08257","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q708b0fc8a2f486d1f0af","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q5f0b72d713b3a8854461","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":97,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-12T17:04:03.129Z","text":"我家人对我的评价就是，人很聪明，很善良，数学很好，就是看人不准，容易轻信别人。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf1e2a98e6feb99f08257","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f0b72d713b3a8854461","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1e2a98e6feb99f08257","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q6d3d14978987b6d7d43c","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":98,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-12T17:04:20.073Z","text":"我也看不准","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5f0b72d713b3a8854461","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d3d14978987b6d7d43c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f0b72d713b3a8854461","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q57dfbadda06df950907b","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":99,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-12T17:04:35.622Z","text":"知人知面不知心，哪那么容易","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57dfbadda06df950907b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qea66dfabdc28f6852918","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":100,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-12T17:05:49.737Z","text":"你们的钱没了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea66dfabdc28f6852918","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qf37a300dcb7c2ca20630","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":101,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-12T17:09:55.512Z","text":"钱没了是小事 还能再挣 就怕信仰没了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf37a300dcb7c2ca20630","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qc89c2e39ecc408ea8bcd","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":102,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-12T17:43:35.592Z","text":"笑得我眼泪都出来了。Sarah Sarah Sarah 😂😂😂\n\n确实不太好运输。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qebef9345d634d81b53f6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc89c2e39ecc408ea8bcd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qebef9345d634d81b53f6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qfddd79575e9be431269c","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":103,"speaker":"jun***","date":"2026-08-12T18:34:30.940Z","text":"太正常了！我也算老江湖了、一样被身边的带任务的欺骗感情！他们倒没有害我，只是最后发现友情不真切！别人打死都要信联盟那堆屎","edited":false,"reply_to":"q57dfbadda06df950907b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfddd79575e9be431269c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57dfbadda06df950907b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qf2f92b38c52bac70296e","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":104,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-12T18:36:05.882Z","text":"有人的地方就有江湖，没辙","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfddd79575e9be431269c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2f92b38c52bac70296e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfddd79575e9be431269c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qcfe7669d701a8a0bc46c","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":105,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-12T18:37:38.864Z","text":"主要是不论你们谁吃了，这日子都过不下去了😆","edited":false,"reply_to":"qebef9345d634d81b53f6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfe7669d701a8a0bc46c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qebef9345d634d81b53f6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q6986d2e5b8a5a913b82a","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":106,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-08-12T18:53:00.690Z","text":"她贪了香港一个投资人的钱，当时对账单就在手里拿着，打电话告诉别人没到账。后来闹得很大，最后分开账了。因为是大资金","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3358d799ffe88ea86249","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6986d2e5b8a5a913b82a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3358d799ffe88ea86249","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q7b01edf1e3bbad31c950","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":107,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-08-12T18:55:34.739Z","text":"这个你比较清楚","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6baa10130fa74b39052a","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b01edf1e3bbad31c950","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qb63a674c49cd085ac3d3","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":108,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-12T18:55:47.615Z","text":"分开帐什么意思","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6986d2e5b8a5a913b82a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb63a674c49cd085ac3d3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6986d2e5b8a5a913b82a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qe677281f6d18d844f613","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":109,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-08-12T18:56:37.955Z","text":"如水和[删节：隐私信息]一起去阿努阿图买护照你们问一下[删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe677281f6d18d844f613","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qde45edc4ecf552619796","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":110,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-12T18:56:52.955Z","text":"瓦努阿图","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde45edc4ecf552619796","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q123b2d7ac7380a367f87","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":111,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-12T18:57:05.976Z","text":"老郭好像也有这个护照","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q123b2d7ac7380a367f87","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qe737583de5a451310b46","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":112,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-12T18:57:43.316Z","text":"他俩这么熟吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe677281f6d18d844f613","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe737583de5a451310b46","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe677281f6d18d844f613","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q41b77d14cd5ed2365eb6","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":113,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-12T18:58:17.503Z","text":"老郭对此一无所知？还让她管账？就因为她是个会计？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41b77d14cd5ed2365eb6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qe2fa5bada46f280e0606","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":114,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-12T18:59:40.676Z","text":"香港是金融城，还查不到到没到账？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6986d2e5b8a5a913b82a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe2fa5bada46f280e0606","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6986d2e5b8a5a913b82a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qce0f7313d0a48a52e968","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":115,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-12T18:59:49.898Z","text":"她不是美籍吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce0f7313d0a48a52e968","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qea9089453f4d56fef272","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":116,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-08-12T19:02:23.767Z","text":"当然知道，他用的全是特务，目的就是能感化感化，感化不了就一锅炖了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q41b77d14cd5ed2365eb6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea9089453f4d56fef272","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41b77d14cd5ed2365eb6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q12fcb931bbd14a831e7c","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":117,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-08-12T19:03:46.028Z","text":"当初我问他的时候，他说兄弟你能干吗？我直接石化了😂😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12fcb931bbd14a831e7c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q76ef2e3aff39dcfa4369","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":118,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-08-12T19:05:02.098Z","text":"不露脸直播共匪都找到家里了，更何况其它的事情。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76ef2e3aff39dcfa4369","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qad9dc3f57d723ed947f7","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":119,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-12T19:07:10.627Z","text":"你们的钱没了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad9dc3f57d723ed947f7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q6fe86e63bc92ac8c36c8","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":120,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-12T19:12:58.170Z","text":"他为什么要处理这些虾兵蟹将","edited":false,"reply_to":"qea9089453f4d56fef272","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6fe86e63bc92ac8c36c8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea9089453f4d56fef272","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qfc0fa6f317e79fd0e6a6","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":121,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-12T19:13:29.089Z","text":"潜台词信息量很大","edited":false,"reply_to":"q12fcb931bbd14a831e7c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc0fa6f317e79fd0e6a6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12fcb931bbd14a831e7c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q0e431bcb09147b849890","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":122,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-12T19:17:10.078Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 这些人是不是和你很像 做着致富梦","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e431bcb09147b849890","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q608a28a50f82b4efd277","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":123,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-12T20:11:02.819Z","text":"这次我写得比较详细，显得更加生动、有血有肉。\n上次写得不够透彻，因为在这个群大家都混得比较熟了，而且我的名字也出现在法庭文件里，其实就是更加方便、自由地表达一些细节，也更加无所畏惧了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc89c2e39ecc408ea8bcd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q608a28a50f82b4efd277","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc89c2e39ecc408ea8bcd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q34cde088906bbadc91ce","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":124,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-12T20:43:31.515Z","text":"我一般打赌也就是想弄点钱， 哪像你们直接把对方降格为猪狗一般。老公还美其名曰众人中”数我老婆最好”😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q608a28a50f82b4efd277","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34cde088906bbadc91ce","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q608a28a50f82b4efd277","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q7fe137a414a6abda7308","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":125,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-12T20:57:31.363Z","text":"除了在郭的事情上他不会让步之外，他对我可以迁就；我因为他还在说郭是骗子，我就还要说他蠢得掉渣。除此之外，我俩还是合得来的，凑合着过日子没问题。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q34cde088906bbadc91ce","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7fe137a414a6abda7308","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34cde088906bbadc91ce","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q8d0e3fc062ef6bf5c7f0","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":126,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-12T21:32:59.173Z","text":"我是开玩笑呢","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7fe137a414a6abda7308","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d0e3fc062ef6bf5c7f0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7fe137a414a6abda7308","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q3f8441f93e3c4365570f","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":127,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-12T22:48:05.685Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]  [删节：隐私信息] 检方和luc和解协议是文件几","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f8441f93e3c4365570f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qf25006203ca2763fce48","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":128,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-12T23:59:34.930Z","text":"https://gettr.com/post/p42p9jh5cd7s","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf25006203ca2763fce48","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qc63894aff0666e9203ef","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":129,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-13T00:00:11.116Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]  24分钟开始 扣逼霉读了一个信 里面谈到说二巡的人都是特务 扣逼霉摊上大事了！！！","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc63894aff0666e9203ef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qc26871b71c2b3588adf9","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":130,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-13T00:04:45.004Z","text":"此话怎讲？你的敏感神经怎么又调动起来了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc63894aff0666e9203ef","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc26871b71c2b3588adf9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc63894aff0666e9203ef","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q586b5d4202bfcee69b30","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":131,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-13T00:05:57.506Z","text":"共谋犯-受害者的群体 通过媒体 向其他受害者施压 恐吓其参与法律程序的权利。 你查查这属于什么","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc26871b71c2b3588adf9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q586b5d4202bfcee69b30","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc26871b71c2b3588adf9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q9848be46cdc1c5d33322","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":132,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-08-13T00:06:41.459Z","text":"给她加到法律文件里去，让她证明特务","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc63894aff0666e9203ef","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9848be46cdc1c5d33322","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc63894aff0666e9203ef","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q600feee464fcd2990fb2","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":133,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-13T00:07:43.122Z","text":"对！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9848be46cdc1c5d33322","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q600feee464fcd2990fb2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9848be46cdc1c5d33322","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q7b77f7111ca9f0362a94","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":134,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-13T00:21:14.732Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge3/status/2087695847354229098?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b77f7111ca9f0362a94","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qb5f8a70c00be9f4961d3","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":135,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-13T00:21:55.810Z","text":"[删节：成员身份] 自诉人和联盟的决战开始了！","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5f8a70c00be9f4961d3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q0f8f3a70e18f32169d1b","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":136,"speaker":"you***","date":"2026-08-13T00:28:43.097Z","text":"😂 文贵在直插中反复讲司法战不会那么容易胜利，从来对一审不抱任何希望，司法刀笔吏集团在任何国家都有体制力量和官官相护，想让一个政府认错认赔是一个艰辛的过程，内心从没丧失文贵会赢的信念，时间长短而己，至于投资和我买的喜币，呵，无所谓，愿赌服输，跟文贵先生赌一把，本人从小就恶心共产党模式，家族和共产党世仇，文贵是我几十年发现最有希望灭掉共产党的人物，没有钱无法干事业，没有利益也无法凝聚长久力量，所以当时就当全捐了，赢了发财更好，😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q282b7ac6db3e6177d97d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f8f3a70e18f32169d1b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q282b7ac6db3e6177d97d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qd8428984865d3b645987","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":137,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-13T00:47:37.037Z","text":"我从23分钟开始看，这个[屏蔽词]不就是想当女版的郭文贵吗， 但是还是没忘她的站街女的本色-时不时的撸撸头发。花那么多的时间说/纠正盖特问题，不就是要表明她是老板，取代了郭吗\n\n现在，基于Qmay 的说辞，本特务开始接受任务 - 😂","edited":true,"reply_to":"q7b77f7111ca9f0362a94","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8428984865d3b645987","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b77f7111ca9f0362a94","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qad2c903debbe3860f4f5","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":138,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-13T00:51:01.546Z","text":"Qmay的直播更加證明了自訴群體的價值。也反向證明了自訴群體才是真正跟老郭站在一起的。\n\n聯盟已經臭大街了，真正腦殘的很少，還在里面的基本可以判定就是壞！","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc63894aff0666e9203ef","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad2c903debbe3860f4f5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc63894aff0666e9203ef","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q0004cb13ba50d63ab444","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":139,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-13T00:51:10.236Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge3/status/2087703394886840399?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0004cb13ba50d63ab444","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q85f0eba0ff4d8824419b","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":140,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-13T00:52:44.673Z","text":"瑞恩分析的也有道理： 就是Qmay 妄想把打压自诉人的脏水泼给郭 - 她是打着郭的旗号干的","edited":false,"reply_to":"qad2c903debbe3860f4f5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85f0eba0ff4d8824419b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad2c903debbe3860f4f5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q06b0f18564fed40f0ee1","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":141,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-13T00:54:39.396Z","text":"趕快把她的直播下載下來，不然等一下她們讓後台刪除，這是證據來的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06b0f18564fed40f0ee1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qc495f304970bf2fc60af","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":142,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-13T00:54:51.775Z","text":"她不会删的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q06b0f18564fed40f0ee1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc495f304970bf2fc60af","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06b0f18564fed40f0ee1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q3e6140113f076bb89cfe","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":143,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-13T01:02:21.488Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge3/status/2087705997859246548?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e6140113f076bb89cfe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qdb13d89f7d528fbc2759","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":144,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-13T01:14:16.020Z","text":"30 分钟 她说 上二巡一定是接到中共命令","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf25006203ca2763fce48","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb13d89f7d528fbc2759","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf25006203ca2763fce48","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q92d062b09a3011a0718f","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":145,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-13T02:35:29.597Z","text":"刚才另外一个战友说， 联盟可能通过某种方式窥探老郭的通信网络， 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2083最后approve没","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe03e9e3c98987e1e9d79","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q361df4f27206af8ff8fd","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":170,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-13T04:41:31.865Z","text":"我的AI說的不太同，現在搞到很混亂，不知道最後會怎樣🫣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4e648466284d055bd8c7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q361df4f27206af8ff8fd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4e648466284d055bd8c7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qfb2f68b472ffaa672c08","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":171,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-13T04:42:19.408Z","text":"刑事案里的受害者權益大於民事案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb2f68b472ffaa672c08","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q9745f376f00cdbfa3f45","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":172,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-13T04:42:56.068Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 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4亿的主意，毕竟是大肥肉","edited":false,"reply_to":"q54218cf523883f09360e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b31dbb70151ea6deb3a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54218cf523883f09360e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q06ea20d28e9ba21e3040","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":179,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-13T04:58:43.733Z","text":"300骨干也可以一半在破产案luc登记，一半在刑事案带风向\n没事了互骂互殴，演戏黑韭菜看\n比如安小东骂青藤Qmay","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb8d94a2562e1ff264092","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06ea20d28e9ba21e3040","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8d94a2562e1ff264092","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q6a3044be3c5df56a1ecd","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":180,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-13T04:58:50.665Z","text":"事成，55开，肥水不流外人田","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a3044be3c5df56a1ecd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q66765d95fbd2fa4fe775","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":181,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-13T05:00:00.676Z","text":"钱对共匪来说无所谓的，主要就是怎么把老郭按在监狱里出不来，死在里面更好","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66765d95fbd2fa4fe775","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q1506dd59bd2d6da720ca","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":182,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-13T05:00:17.852Z","text":"郭既然要上訴，那麼沒收令暫時應該是不會發生的。不知道對不對？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0b31dbb70151ea6deb3a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1506dd59bd2d6da720ca","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b31dbb70151ea6deb3a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q526d25f109b4062c1715","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":183,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-13T05:00:59.530Z","text":"300骨干心里默认，这14亿是他们的\n谁和他们抢，弄死谁","edited":false,"reply_to":"q66765d95fbd2fa4fe775","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q526d25f109b4062c1715","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66765d95fbd2fa4fe775","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q7f49357099abb78df2cc","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":184,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-13T05:01:08.673Z","text":"如果还能拿到钱，就是锦上添花","edited":false,"reply_to":"q66765d95fbd2fa4fe775","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f49357099abb78df2cc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66765d95fbd2fa4fe775","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q5f2803b86db7812725b5","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":185,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-13T05:01:35.942Z","text":"他們是既要又要。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7f49357099abb78df2cc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f2803b86db7812725b5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f49357099abb78df2cc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qd9655227587fd294b9ce","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":186,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-13T05:02:22.155Z","text":"最终没收可以下\n参考王案，量刑后大概2周，就发了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1506dd59bd2d6da720ca","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd9655227587fd294b9ce","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1506dd59bd2d6da720ca","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qe0fc7cd19115ccd22be7","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":187,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-13T05:02:27.253Z","text":"你觉得可能吗？真能分到钱，他们这些走狗只能拿到渣渣。然后在把这些灭爆的灭口。死人是最安全的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q526d25f109b4062c1715","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0fc7cd19115ccd22be7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q526d25f109b4062c1715","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qa1d368629d55a6016eb3","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":188,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-13T05:03:28.712Z","text":"共匪的白手套最后的结局都是被灭口","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1d368629d5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hel***］ 就是这个意思\n不知道你现在看懂这个局了没\n老老实实在刑事案走853n，最后会被弄成853i，普通债权人，等赦免remission","edited":true,"reply_to":"qe15b5be728b573df3b93","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c6ade9e24e10396b3c2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe15b5be728b573df3b93","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q87337b98c8fb082939c9","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":192,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-13T05:06:30.685Z","text":"我當然日思夜想老郭可以無罪釋放。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8c6ade9e24e10396b3c2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q87337b98c8fb082939c9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c6ade9e24e10396b3c2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q0f6686d19c9c15c7db4c","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":193,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-13T05:06:45.788Z","text":"王的没收 就是因为有螺丝哥 最后说和郭没收一起处理","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd9655227587fd294b9ce","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f6686d19c9c15c7db4c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd9655227587fd294b9ce","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q9b785da38a39cacf3a2d","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":194,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-13T05:07:14.561Z","text":"他在埃及，鸟不拉si的地方，随时担心被无害化处理","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdb6562ce8db14e68d380","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b785da38a39cacf3a2d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qb98481adc228bffff257","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":195,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-13T05:08:00.781Z","text":"不然没人反对没收\n那时候刑事案的，都被青们维稳着\n还在填假表","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0f6686d19c9c15c7db4c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb98481adc228bffff257","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f6686d19c9c15c7db4c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q03e9b6d0fef351a26f37","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":196,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-13T05:09:02.096Z","text":"我一直反對沒收，還被螺絲哥罵我[屏蔽词]🫣","edited":true,"reply_to":"qb98481adc228bffff257","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03e9b6d0fef351a26f37","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb98481adc228bffff257","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q351d8c1ea16e6deebdcc","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":197,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-13T05:09:22.391Z","text":"没收是853n的前提","edited":false,"reply_to":"q03e9b6d0fef351a26f37","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q351d8c1ea16e6deebdcc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03e9b6d0fef351a26f37","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qcf7e16b410a392c9e278","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":198,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-13T05:11:40.040Z","text":"这个地方很有意思。858对郭的资产没收没有gtv,859补充初步没收令，gtv还在，意味着必须再找一个boss来但gtv的责任，王雁平，凯尔巴斯，于建民是一条线，魏丽红是一条线，不知道谁会被推出来背锅。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0b31dbb70151ea6deb3a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf7e16b410a392c9e278","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b31dbb70151ea6deb3a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q0022d5c031902dc50140","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":199,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-13T05:12:02.872Z","text":"怕是余","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcf7e16b410a392c9e278","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0022d5c031902dc50140","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf7e16b410a392c9e278","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qc71dc4c4c3e628849824","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":200,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-13T05:12:53.866Z","text":"luc目前咬余最狠","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc71dc4c4c3e628849824","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000144","next_batch_id":"batch-000146"}