{"id":"batch-000145","number":145,"revision":2,"date_start":"2026-08-12T00:23:18.989Z","date_end":"2026-08-15T03:08:09.958Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 145 (Aug 12, 2026 – Aug 15, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. From Aug 12–15, 2026, participants debate Guo’s case under Rule 32.2 and § 853(n)/(i), mainly whether delayed filing in the second hearing is procedural error. They dispute evidentiary proof of control, whether a § 853(n) win changes the $889 million proceeds framework tied to the June 29, 2026 sentencing figure, and whether restitution can outrank bankruptcy recovery. Source authenticity and identity narratives were repeatedly used to harden factions. Community statements, not court findings. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"Initial dispute: whether late handling of § 853(n) in the second hearing is procedural injustice","description":"Participants argue over whether the absent 853(n) upload in the second hearing supports a procedural complaint or is mainly a misunderstanding of procedure. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q5d641201980edc6f3b4f","q759974f7e53a34b091af","q86e5bdfba337d6fd55f2"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q5d641201980edc6f3b4f","summary_en":"One participant says no one had actually claimed that the missing 853(n) upload in the second hearing itself constituted procedural injustice. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q759974f7e53a34b091af","summary_en":"Another participant asks what argument could be made in the second hearing if no concrete flaw can be identified first. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q86e5bdfba337d6fd55f2","summary_en":"A third participant dismisses the issue as a Rule 32 sentencing-process problem and says the 853(n) filing sequence is not the central obstacle by itself. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Rule 32.2 versus § 853(n)/853(i): forfeiture, sentencing, and collateral proceedings are split","description":"Participants contend that Rule 32.2 separates § 853(n) ancillary rights from sentencing, but they still argue that independent sentencing matters embedded in one filing may need earlier treatment. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qafe2d7a26cd90a1a69b1","q00f06505bbb153b2073c","q1f91c8ad53c28de4450d"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qafe2d7a26cd90a1a69b1","summary_en":"A detailed message explains that preliminary forfeiture generally becomes final for the defendant at sentencing, while § 853(n) rights for third parties remain for ancillary proceedings and can lawfully be handled after sentencing unless other independent sentencing requests are involved. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q00f06505bbb153b2073c","summary_en":"Another participant says the presence of sentencing-related content in a 853(n) filing does not by itself create a legal duty to file it before sentencing, unless another statute like the CVRA under 18 U.S.C. § 3771 independently grants pre-sentencing rights. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1f91c8ad53c28de4450d","summary_en":"The same theme is extended to the specific claim that a mixed filing with part A (third-party priority) and part B (independent sentencing request) may require A and B to be treated differently instead of delaying both. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"What a § 853(n) victory means: third-party priority does not automatically alter Guo’s forfeiture or guilt","description":"Participants dispute the practical effect of a § 853(n) victory, arguing that specific property priority findings are distinct from findings that would undermine Guo’s underlying forfeiture basis. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q0d8e09e3ce05384df5bd","q1f91c8ad53c28de4450d","q3638992f063b79a84164"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q0d8e09e3ce05384df5bd","summary_en":"One participant explains that a basic § 853(n) win may only carve out a third-party’s prior interest in specific assets, while a much narrower outcome—finding government misidentified property as belonging to Guo—is needed to materially affect core forfeiture assumptions, and this is especially contested against the reported $889 million proceeds framework. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1f91c8ad53c28de4450d","summary_en":"Another message says the strongest impact would be repeated factual findings that assets were never Guo’s or not defendant-obtained, but even then participants should not assume this resets sentencing, because § 853(n) is aimed at third-party property rights. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q3638992f063b79a84164","summary_en":"A third participant claims a third-party win alone does not prove innocence or that funds were not criminal proceeds unless it is shown that Guo was never the beneficial owner or controller. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Evidence chain and procedural objections: signing authority, funds tracing, and Brady/Napue-style allegations are repeated","description":"Participants dispute whether core financial facts were verified, with competing claims about control, chain of custody, and alleged constitutional exclusion issues. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qdf7ae39a71c70cae5ebd","q01d9cf7d47e637e00004","q67ac6f5dde49094cfb1a"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qdf7ae39a71c70cae5ebd","summary_en":"One speaker argues the record lacked proof of signature rights, account access, transfer authority, execution, beneficial ownership, and flow tracing, and claims the court instead leaned on unchallenged trustee and whistleblower statements over contrary evidence. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q01d9cf7d47e637e00004","summary_en":"Another claims any unlawful conduct by prosecution-side actors should be proven before such facts can be used and that testimony tied to those acts should be excluded if knowingly used in that way. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q67ac6f5dde49094cfb1a","summary_en":"A participant challenges the procedure more broadly, arguing that deciding guilt without checking Guo’s actual control and accepting only one side’s account is itself a process defect. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Asset seizure and enforcement priority: criminal forfeiture, restitution, bankruptcy, and creditor hierarchy remain contested","description":"Participants dispute whether criminal-justice recovery channels and bankruptcy claims can be separated, especially who has priority over seized assets and whether victims’ recovery can flow through different legal buckets. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qbeed6ca77bd370fb3a74","q2675ffc65eb57004f9e5","q29112a42ac5942f22fa7"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qbeed6ca77bd370fb3a74","summary_en":"A user reports that victims seek to speak at sentencing and submit written statements describing harms, reflecting a preference for victim-facing restitution framing. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q2675ffc65eb57004f9e5","summary_en":"Another participant cites AI output to argue criminal-case victim assets cannot be diverted to ordinary bankruptcy personal debts and that tracing should focus on Guo’s personal estate. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q29112a42ac5942f22fa7","summary_en":"A long AI-style explanation asserts criminal forfeiture and restitution are treated as having priority over standard bankruptcy distribution, distinguishing victim cohorts from general commercial creditors like PAX, while acknowledging the government’s and criminal-court structure can constrain bankruptcy access to certain funds. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Recovery outlook swings between process details and power dynamics","description":"Participants dispute whether payouts are mainly blocked by legal mechanics or by trust gaps in those who control execution, with outcomes framed either procedurally or politically. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qe6fb6390715a3a156b5f","qa177255f0d16b6a7d32a","q2e7478d21576ffc403af"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qe6fb6390715a3a156b5f","summary_en":"One participant says a release-related posting is not likely to appear, signaling skepticism that distribution announcements will be forthcoming. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qa177255f0d16b6a7d32a","summary_en":"Another cautions that outsiders do not understand hidden risks in the process, reinforcing distrust of straightforward payout expectations. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q2e7478d21576ffc403af","summary_en":"A third participant states that if the government prevails, recovery prospects effectively disappear, framing the outcome as dependent on state victory. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Funds path and role narratives: Mahwah, GTV, prize entitlement, and nominee/transfer theories remain disputed","description":"Participants argue over the money trail and role attributions, including whether Mahwah, GTV, and linked entities indicate nominee control, laundering, or enforceable ownership splits. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q3eb8e2b887f38900dc81","q06ea20d28e9ba21e3040","qf25d92eaf26a2442fd51"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q3eb8e2b887f38900dc81","summary_en":"One participant notes earlier screenshots had been posted and says they need to be retrieved before stronger conclusions can be made. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q06ea20d28e9ba21e3040","summary_en":"Another suggests participants are split across bankruptcy and criminal channels and portrays online fights and accusations as performative rather than evidentiary progress. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf25d92eaf26a2442fd51","summary_en":"A participant questions whether victims’ money can be seized from GTV if the company is found not guilty, highlighting uncertainty over corporate versus individual asset treatment. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Source authenticity and spread chain: screenshots, links, and reading/forwarding order become central disputes","description":"Participants dispute the reliability of shared materials, arguing that forwarding chains, social screenshots, and who saw or reposted a document first shape trust in the legal narrative. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qb7753cf8fdf3a3e7a6c2","qc63894aff0666e9203ef","q2195e8486beea3ab4997"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qb7753cf8fdf3a3e7a6c2","summary_en":"One participant reacts to information spreading online with a joking tone, indicating social amplification of legal claims. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qc63894aff0666e9203ef","summary_en":"Another claims a posted letter was read as alleging that second-hearing participants were agents, and this claim is framed as a major escalation point. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q2195e8486beea3ab4997","summary_en":"A participant shares a social post about Beibei going off-script, showing that link-sharing and platform posting are being used to signal urgency. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Politicalization and conspiracy framing rise alongside legal debate","description":"Participants contend that anti-Communist, anti-establishment, and overreach narratives increasingly compete with legal analysis, often hardening identity-based conflict. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qce031dfe36472a095793","qd08b67ca13985e633ed6","q61942a5af66c2fd566d7"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qce031dfe36472a095793","summary_en":"A participant expresses anti-Communist skepticism and introduces historical political references, indicating ideological framing entered the legal discussion. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qd08b67ca13985e633ed6","summary_en":"Another participant likens one person’s scale of ambition to a high-profile business magnate, using a political-ego comparison rather than legal grounding. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q61942a5af66c2fd566d7","summary_en":"Another reports that a member was branded an agent and asks others for interpretation, reinforcing conspiracy-style identity claims. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"\"Scammed\" versus \"not scammed\": positions shift between victimhood and suspicion loops","description":"Participants dispute whether members should interpret outcomes as confirmed victimization or strategic deception, with sentiment moving between admission of loss and defensive reframing of motives. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q556808ad3cde880193b1","q4725212477c76eaf0948","q0144a214b89305be8af4"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q556808ad3cde880193b1","summary_en":"A participant bluntly states that they still feel deceived by Guo. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q4725212477c76eaf0948","summary_en":"Another participant claims severe losses were caused by being \"too gullible\" and frames later claims as a comparison of how much each party risked. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q0144a214b89305be8af4","summary_en":"A further participant responds that if funds are gone, the practical move is to increase effort rather than pursue certainty. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Identity labeling and affiliation claims intensify factionalism","description":"Participants dispute labels like boss, aide, spy, or nominee, and those labels are used to justify either trust or condemnation in the thread. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qacc5d1ff108b7d565927","qd2296787ceb3b954d25b","q32efb1ecf69a47325101"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qacc5d1ff108b7d565927","summary_en":"One participant says a newcomer was quickly seen through by members, reinforcing the idea that hidden roles are detectable from tone or behavior. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qd2296787ceb3b954d25b","summary_en":"Another rejects a single espionage-label framing as implausible at scale, signaling contest over identity-based accusation logic. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q32efb1ecf69a47325101","summary_en":"A final participant asks whether Guo Qiang can be recognized, reflecting ongoing attempts to map real identity onto debated figures. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Strategy shifts to execution phase: 853n/853i as claim paths and disputes over counsel, appeals, and timing","description":"Participants contend that legal strategy moved from guilt review toward recovery execution, debating third-party standing, practical enforcement, and whether self-representation can secure better outcomes. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q8f0d38673d6960b4b316","qcb45df4f63f982844ee2","qc4894e629d5a982081de"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q8f0d38673d6960b4b316","summary_en":"One participant notes defense counsel has tried to argue that § 853(n) petitioners often lack practical standing, while still inviting people to litigate anyway. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qcb45df4f63f982844ee2","summary_en":"Another asks who the executor would be for any recovery plan and what basis justifies trust in that executor. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qc4894e629d5a982081de","summary_en":"A participant posts community rules, explains a self-representation forum, and reiterates that each opinion in the room is personal and nonprofessional, signaling a process for continued discussion. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Emotional closeout: wealth loss and self-protection coexist with compensation hopes and risk management","description":"Participants dispute how to process the likely financial outcome, mixing emotional confirmation of loss with risk-aware strategies around preservation and long-term continuity. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q51d1ccaf5d7485b4ac4d","q0ff2207d1742a183b5b6","q3946bd21fa1695dd7aa5"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q51d1ccaf5d7485b4ac4d","summary_en":"One participant tells others bluntly that their money is gone, framing the situation as a near-final loss. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q0ff2207d1742a183b5b6","summary_en":"Another summarizes anticipated payout structure by naming core victim groups and creditors as first in any line of distribution, while mixing criminal and bankruptcy categories. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q3946bd21fa1695dd7aa5","summary_en":"A final participant urges periodic data backup because assets or devices may be seized, while also reflecting both regret and resilience in a long-duration campaign mindset. Community statements, not court findings."}]}],"summary":"这段讨论以郭文贵案二巡与财产处理为核心，先围绕853(n)及相关程序条款是否及时、是否正当产生分歧，再延伸到证据是否可核验、是否存在检方或法院程序瑕疵。随后争论集中到财产执行：restitution、forfeiture、优先权、破产债权及第三方受益人之间是否可分离，且是否真正能转化为受害者可得补偿。与此同时，舆情外链、社媒截图与来源真伪持续被争论，反复引发“谁先读信/谁先转发”与信息控制问题。讨论后期大量夹带政治化叙事（反共、阴谋、标签化归因）与身份猜测，法律推演被情绪化与“被骗/是否被骗”的立场对冲。整体看法未形成一致结论，主要分歧在程序判断标准、资产回款路径和对人物动机的解释框架。","guide":[{"title":"起点争论：二巡未及时上传/录入853(n)是否构成程序不正义","message_ids":["q5d641201980edc6f3b4f","q759974f7e53a34b091af","q86e5bdfba337d6fd55f2"]},{"title":"Rule 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 如果一个人 主观上认定 郭就是个骗子 可因为自己当初投了钱 所以现在要想办法把这个骗子弄出来 好拿回自己钱 至于骗子继续祸害别人 不管自己事了爱咋咋地 那这人道德上跟[屏蔽词]基本没啥区别","edited":true,"reply_to":"q43ec49aee73785b8ca22","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb72383bbdb982fbd5493","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43ec49aee73785b8ca22","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q102d91b57d2000ffdf2c","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":604,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-14T08:36:28.101Z","text":"道德这种小孩子才以为存在的东西居然摆在这个群讨论","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q102d91b57d2000ffdf2c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qd0a0e09d6865aa7857bc","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":605,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-08-14T08:50:14.694Z","text":"🤣 看来你们也觉得二巡自诉能让老郭无罪翻案出来，所以在这急的用虚伪的道德绑架，急了，急了，没有实力讲你TM的道德","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb72383bbdb982fbd5493","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd0a0e09d6865aa7857bc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb72383bbdb982fbd5493","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q7fc3c41795207519c0fa","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":606,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-14T08:51:02.326Z","text":"哈哈 如果能让你好受些 不妨你这么觉得","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd0a0e09d6865aa7857bc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7fc3c41795207519c0fa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd0a0e09d6865aa7857bc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qbaaf9e5ec845e6511d70","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":607,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-14T08:54:33.439Z","text":"看到没，讲道理讲不过，就要开始讲道德\n道德婊，你不会也是母的吧\n［用户 cin***］ 🤣 🤣 🤣","edited":true,"reply_to":"qb72383bbdb982fbd5493","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbaaf9e5ec845e6511d70","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb72383bbdb982fbd5493","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qd2e56ed6ab184e5b5581","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":608,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-14T08:55:04.339Z","text":"現在告訴你，別試圖用道德來綁架我，從此以後，我就不講道德啦🤭🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb72383bbdb982fbd5493","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2e56ed6ab184e5b5581","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb72383bbdb982fbd5493","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q127f8219f3e0d35c915f","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":609,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-14T08:55:40.189Z","text":"你理解反了 你拼命救郭 对的 天经地义","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd2e56ed6ab184e5b5581","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q127f8219f3e0d35c915f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2e56ed6ab184e5b5581","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qe4345242fae82e90b134","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":610,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-14T08:55:45.189Z","text":"她现在俨然一副总指挥的样子","edited":false,"reply_to":"qebb987a06a9650bcd1e7","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4345242fae82e90b134","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qe5e7277f1fc9e5fbc6d8","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":611,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-14T08:55:49.106Z","text":"因为你相信他无辜 他有能耐","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5e7277f1fc9e5fbc6d8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q7f0a51a54391e0e477fb","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":612,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-14T08:56:28.720Z","text":"[删节：成员身份] 不信郭了 所以你不能逼他也帮你们救郭  因为他救郭唯一的动机 就是 拿回他的钱 不像你","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f0a51a54391e0e477fb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qe5e3c6d2d1b266ba15dd","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":613,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-14T08:56:43.817Z","text":"人家盘算的周全着呢，老郭赢了能回本，老郭完了，能领狗粮","edited":false,"reply_to":"q43ec49aee73785b8ca22","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5e3c6d2d1b266ba15dd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43ec49aee73785b8ca22","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q915a2f5ff0a354e5cb07","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":614,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-14T08:56:47.160Z","text":"明白？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q915a2f5ff0a354e5cb07","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qaf5513bb6799a7159f56","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":615,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-14T08:57:12.047Z","text":"你们大部分人 救郭 我从来不挑理儿  知行合一 我看得出来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf5513bb6799a7159f56","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qa661fe30a78b4a40064d","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":616,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-14T08:58:05.825Z","text":"你也开始讲粗口了。看来你对联盟的恨超过Sarah 了。😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdc14db96c701466d8539","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa661fe30a78b4a40064d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qa3485827e674e3f2486f","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":617,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-14T08:58:23.784Z","text":"你们这儿人。。。确实理解别人说话能力 偏低昂  这些细节能看出","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3485827e674e3f2486f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q8e12a017e4554301e407","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":618,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-14T09:03:58.393Z","text":"你们 我们。。。\n你算个鸟🤣 🤣 🤣 \n［用户 cin***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"qca1e36f6fc3e872f6d35","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e12a017e4554301e407","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qc82f61a09d1b9b874dcd","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":619,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-14T09:04:02.491Z","text":"看過甄環傳嗎？環環第一次被皇上傷了心出宮去修行。當她再一次回歸後，就只是一心搞事業，一路宮鬥到做了皇太後。\n\n\n誰讓你善良，誰讓你做好人，\n那人就是在掘你的祖墳！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc82f61a09d1b9b874dcd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qedc5f536f25f472bba70","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":620,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-14T09:04:31.013Z","text":"所以你什么意思到底 你相信郭是骗子？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qedc5f536f25f472bba70","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qe63265b5faec5fadea25","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":621,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-14T09:05:21.432Z","text":"你在说老郭吗？😆","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc82f61a09d1b9b874dcd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe63265b5faec5fadea25","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc82f61a09d1b9b874dcd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q0540c1a070b764458dd8","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":622,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-14T09:05:42.106Z","text":"不是郭，是那幫撲街所謂的兄弟姊妹，那幫真正的詐騙犯。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qedc5f536f25f472bba70","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0540c1a070b764458dd8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qedc5f536f25f472bba70","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qacbc0195ded478177658","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":623,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-14T09:05:57.879Z","text":"对啊 他们当然是诈骗犯","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qacbc0195ded478177658","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q3c69e43166d12dddeae5","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":624,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-14T09:06:28.236Z","text":"我的意思是 你相信郭 所以你救郭 天经地义 说明你道德高尚 有毛病吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c69e43166d12dddeae5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q06078345be964d37c24c","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":625,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-14T09:10:26.468Z","text":"你們喜歡怎麼理解都行，因我已放下了道德包袱，一心只做利己的事。\n\n只愛自己才是最快樂的。\n誰擋路，遇佛殺佛！遇神殺神！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06078345be964d37c24c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q44287c991e95767fcb3a","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":626,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-14T09:11:03.789Z","text":"哦哦 挺好挺好 所以我预感  你能醒","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44287c991e95767fcb3a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qd21fb15fe25434ac5799","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":627,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-14T09:11:08.880Z","text":"这个 ［用户 cin***］ 当五毛，都没有诚意\n又开始用AI在这里聊天刷屏","edited":true,"reply_to":"q06078345be964d37c24c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd21fb15fe25434ac5799","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06078345be964d37c24c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q283a44c46ab4c882490b","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":628,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-14T09:11:36.171Z","text":"因为你是不甘把你投的钱全部当做无偿捐赠 夭折的灭共事业的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q283a44c46ab4c882490b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q1bbbcd174db0fc59680b","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":629,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-14T09:12:20.126Z","text":"我祝你全力追回 你的损失 真的  我看你不是 不可救药那类","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1bbbcd174db0fc59680b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q3c40385a2e31af5df373","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":630,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-14T09:13:29.441Z","text":"像[删节：隐私信息]这种 哈。。我只能希望 十年后 他们还能再讨论怎么让郭出狱的下一方案吧  醒了 反而麻烦了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c40385a2e31af5df373","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qe9b491c6ec441393f6a9","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":631,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-14T11:02:04.942Z","text":"纠正一下 我一般周末来群里转转 ‘打卡’ 跟大家聊聊   周中偶尔撇一眼群   如果某天看到当下感兴趣话题 也能插句嘴 或展开讨论\n这个只要你翻翻我的记录 或者有个正常人的记性  应该 不难记住 接近天天大卡的  是[删节：成员身份] 和[删节：成员身份]\n当然喜国人如果不是金鱼记忆  郭捕猎不了你们","edited":true,"reply_to":"qcc77ecf24b1b063e464a","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9b491c6ec441393f6a9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q19d43200dacfad0aca3c","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":632,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-14T11:03:11.993Z","text":"你们只是选择性去记 你们想相信的东西 而已 你相信我是灭爆 之类 我自然在你记忆力 天天打卡哈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19d43200dacfad0aca3c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q06afcc82daa0a3335f4c","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":633,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-14T11:10:11.768Z","text":"［用户 him***］ Z同学 ［用户 cin***］ 也默认你就是推上的 安小东了，肿么办🤣 🤣 🤣","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06afcc82daa0a3335f4c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q89ae9d63c711d2d9b815","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":634,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-08-14T11:18:17.762Z","text":"你是不是有病，一审过程序违规导致郭案无罪翻案，无罪翻案政府退赔投资人，郭出来后怎么做，你不服继续起诉呀，既然美国法律能够保证投资人资金安全，第三方翻案成了案例法后，既能打检方陷害又能打真的诈骗的，还怕什么呢？跟你讲法律，法律能够保护投资，这是底线，不是你那个虚伪的道德","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe9b491c6ec441393f6a9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89ae9d63c711d2d9b815","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9b491c6ec441393f6a9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q52110f3db61e503033a6","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":635,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-14T11:20:33.074Z","text":"即便你认为你说的有一部分是事实 但至少目前事实是 这些没发生啊。。。 你这说的好像  已经出来了 然后检方正在研究继续起诉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q52110f3db61e503033a6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q78a9bc353ec3cfc1ee7b","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":636,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-14T11:21:35.765Z","text":"有点像那种  你知道不  北派传销窝点 一群人端着白开水 说在喝鱼汤 喝着喝着还说 鱼骨头卡住喉咙啦 似的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q78a9bc353ec3cfc1ee7b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q4896be36e046f2376893","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":637,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-08-14T11:22:20.189Z","text":"所以推进自诉翻了郭案，第三方成了案例法后，什么检方诬告，真实诈骗的，第三方都能发声，法律就有了对投资兜底","edited":false,"reply_to":"q52110f3db61e503033a6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4896be36e046f2376893","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q52110f3db61e503033a6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qe3469fb4dd4e6fcbc0b6","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":638,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-14T11:22:48.691Z","text":"看结果呗 事实说话 我跟你不辩论案情 没意思","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3469fb4dd4e6fcbc0b6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q2b593b77014c39eaf5f1","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":639,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-14T11:23:34.379Z","text":"别这样说，他 ［用户 cin***］ 很慌，因为他也属于300骨干之一\n他怕是也躲不掉rico🤣","edited":true,"reply_to":"q4896be36e046f2376893","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2b593b77014c39eaf5f1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4896be36e046f2376893","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q210e6c1c435865ed2ea5","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":640,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-14T11:23:38.499Z","text":"来跟你们群 辩论案情的 都是 天真 无聊 无意义 这也是我根本不主张砸锅的原因","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q210e6c1c435865ed2ea5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q96caf84d3f0147b227db","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":641,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-14T11:23:54.893Z","text":"事实胜于雄辩","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q96caf84d3f0147b227db","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qc8e17da7e27ff2520126","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":642,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-14T11:26:34.247Z","text":"又来了，才说要讲道德，现在又改辩论案情\n变脸比放屁脱裤子还快","edited":false,"reply_to":"q210e6c1c435865ed2ea5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8e17da7e27ff2520126","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q210e6c1c435865ed2ea5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q5571759856510d182c8c","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":643,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-14T11:42:08.320Z","text":"你基本不咋聊案子了我看","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5571759856510d182c8c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qa4d98f49e0b445bf924e","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":644,"speaker":"chu***","date":"2026-08-14T11:43:21.514Z","text":"复杂的细节，我从来就不擅长，甚至看不懂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5571759856510d182c8c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4d98f49e0b445bf924e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5571759856510d182c8c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q3e7f11fc43c46df05a44","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":645,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-14T12:26:55.611Z","text":"砸锅的砸来砸去，目的和 ［用户 him***］ 安小东是一样的，要保检方可以没收财产，再处理\n然后破产案登记债权人，300骨干，身份是受害者，就可以优先拿钱\n等在刑事案的，赦免remission，渣渣都没\nhttps://x.com/isabell87484891/status/2088212698333073487?s=46","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e7f11fc43c46df05a44","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q6ca5af80e84e5a794aef","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":646,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-14T15:09:28.394Z","text":"那意思就是所有投資者都必須去破產案登記債權人嗎？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3e7f11fc43c46df05a44","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ca5af80e84e5a794aef","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e7f11fc43c46df05a44","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q29112a42ac5942f22fa7","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":647,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-14T15:10:50.039Z","text":"我的AI有不同的說法，不知是否正確，各人自行判斷。\n\n在美國法律體系下，郭文貴案（Miles Guo）中刑事案件受害者的權益在多數情況下確實「優於」或「大於」破產案中的普通民事債權人。\n\n這主要源於美國聯邦法律中刑事罰沒、退贓與破產保護法規之間的互動與順位機制。\n\n以下為具體的法律邏輯與分層解析：\n\n一、 刑事沒收與退贓具有法律優先權 (Asset Forfeiture Priority)郭文貴於 2026 年 6 月被美國法院判處 30 年監禁，並被下令沒收 8.89 億美元的非法所得用於賠償受害者。\n政府凌駕於破產財團之上：美國司法部（DOJ）通過刑事程序對郭文貴實施的資產沒收（Forfeiture），屬於聯邦執法權力。\n\n刑事沒收旨在剝奪犯罪分子的非法所得。\n\n非法資產不屬於破產財產：法律上認為，郭文貴通過詐騙獲得的逾 10 億美元資金，其所有權從一開始就不屬於他。\n\n因此，這些被執法機關查封、扣押的詐騙所得，不能被納入個人破產案的「破產財團 (Bankruptcy Estate)」中供普通債權人瓜分，而是優先進入刑事退贓程序（Restitution），直接返還給受害人。\n\n二、 債權人與刑事受害者的屬性區分在郭文貴的雙重案件中，索賠群體被分為了兩個主要陣營，兩者的權益順位有本質區別：刑事詐騙受害者（線上追隨者、投資人）：\n主體：因購買 GTV 股票、喜馬拉雅交易所虛擬幣等計劃被騙的數萬名投資者。\n\n受保護力：最大。\n\n美國司法部會利用刑事沒收的近 9 億美元設立受害者餘額返還基金 (Restitution Fund)，這批資產會直接繞過破產法院，直接分配給這批實質受害者。\n\n破產案民事債權人（如 PAX 基金、商業債主）：\n主體：在郭文貴跨國詐騙前，因歷史商業糾紛、貸款未還而起訴他的機構（例如最大債權人太平洋聯盟亞洲機會基金 PAX，涉債約 2.54 億美元）。\n\n受保護力：較弱。\n他們只能在破產法庭的框架下，清算郭文貴合法的個人剩餘資產。\n\n由於郭文貴絕大多數財富已被證實為詐騙所得並被刑事清算，留給民事債權人分配的合法資產規模已被極大壓縮。\n\n三、 破產法院與刑事法院的協調在案件進程中，破產受託人（Luc Despins）曾與刑事檢察官發生過「資產爭奪」的程序摩擦。\n\n💥但最終的司法實踐確立了刑事受害者的優先性：刑事程序對破產清算的實質限制：💥刑事判決確立了財產的「犯罪本質」，直接切斷了破產債權人將這部分資金列為「可分配債務資產」的法律路徑。💥\n\n債權人的追討限制：像 PAX 這樣的民事債權人，雖然在個人破產案中擁有極高的優先順位（相比其他普通商業債主），💥但他們依然無法觸碰聯邦政府為了刑事退贓而扣押的特定贓款與豪宅物業。\n\n💥總結在郭文貴案中，刑事受害者的權益大於破產債權人。💥\n\n聯邦法院與司法部優先確保了被詐騙的「滅共基金」等非法所得用於精準退贓給受害群體，而破產案的民事債權人只能就其餘下的合法資產進行排隊清償。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29112a42ac5942f22fa7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q6b22632ac851612985e1","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":648,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-14T16:26:35.847Z","text":"https://suno.com/s/eJKTdVR1J9JXk9dA","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b22632ac851612985e1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q9c7796ead399a918c17d","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":649,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-14T16:52:05.687Z","text":"AI被忽悠了\n1 对查封冻结的财产，处理方式两种 退赔restitution和没收forfeiture\n区别是，前者资金原路返回。后者政府先拿钱，再分配。\n2 王案同意本案冻结资产，“没收”替代“退赔”，郭案参考这个方式。所有资产，会先汇集到政府手里，再分给受害者，853n或853i的赦免remission\n3 刑事案受害者很少，在螺丝出现前，没有用CVRA去反对没收的，反倒是文乐阿哲这类，还在配合没收后remission\n4 如果没有受害者反对政府没收 forfeiture，那么资产就跳过了退赔restitution这个方式，都先去了政府手里，政府再决定分配权，顺序是 1 破产案债权人（通过alter ego让G系列算成郭个人资产）2 刑事案受害者（大部分放弃退赔权益）3刑事案第三方853n 853i","edited":false,"reply_to":"q29112a42ac5942f22fa7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c7796ead399a918c17d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29112a42ac5942f22fa7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q47fa12d16aefa98c4ff7","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":650,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-14T17:35:08.199Z","text":"那些登记的债权人，被检方和LUC当成擦屁股纸，有利的时候就拿来用，把马瓦给LUC的时候就说： The stipulation further provided that the net proceeds from any sale of the\nMahwah Mansion (less certain fees and administrative costs and a deemed expense of $1 million\nto be used to satisfy claims of allowed Bankruptcy creditors who are also victims in the criminal\ncase) would serve as substitute res for the Mahwah Mansion   刑事案#160第5页                                                控诉被告的时候拿来说他诈骗了300亿，而且这个300亿还有一个作用就是让人觉得LUC花了1亿的律师费不过分了，为了追300亿啊，如果说本来为了追几千万的债务花了1个亿谁都会觉得过分                                           除了被当成擦屁股纸到了话语权的时候，，甚至这帮人听都没听说过还有个债权人委员会                               第三方不登记债权人也能介入破产案子，以第三方利益关系人就可以","edited":false,"reply_to":"q29112a42ac5942f22fa7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47fa12d16aefa98c4ff7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29112a42ac5942f22fa7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qe15b303f0b6c0b5dd230","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":651,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-14T17:37:01.838Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 你这个人是不是蛋疼？ luc搞的mawah 和刑事案投资者 只有gclub的关系 你天天搞这个 弄毛线啊？","edited":true,"reply_to":"q47fa12d16aefa98c4ff7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe15b303f0b6c0b5dd230","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47fa12d16aefa98c4ff7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qee2580099c38f6804db4","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":652,"speaker":"ski***","date":"2026-08-14T17:37:58.434Z","text":"BTW，新基地的钱哪里来的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee2580099c38f6804db4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qf40b68215f6644ce015d","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":653,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-14T17:39:44.500Z","text":"检方在160#里明确承认了刑事案受害人是破产案债权人，那么他们凭什么说被告鼓动破产案虚假登记？明明就可以说被告通知债权人登记","edited":false,"reply_to":"q47fa12d16aefa98c4ff7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf40b68215f6644ce015d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47fa12d16aefa98c4ff7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qab4af054a53b9f0a0079","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":654,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-14T17:52:46.854Z","text":"她这是，在往破产案引流？🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe15b303f0b6c0b5dd230","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab4af054a53b9f0a0079","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe15b303f0b6c0b5dd230","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q54c6576b36476479f9b0","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":655,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-14T17:55:09.714Z","text":"指控郭虚假登记，那时候还没有到file 160\n要看时间顺序啊，只能说检方前后言语不一致，在耍流氓","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf40b68215f6644ce015d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54c6576b36476479f9b0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf40b68215f6644ce015d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q71c1541b1d05e5000878","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":656,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-14T18:38:20.916Z","text":"Z同学，我本来就和任何人都不是一伙的人，何谈决裂啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5910e46d7e1d9168125c","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71c1541b1d05e5000878","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qed31fbe92ac0edfd7caa","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":657,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-14T18:39:13.233Z","text":"明明是你之前说瑞恩一定会翻案啊，现在又180度大转弯","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed31fbe92ac0edfd7caa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q2a10d18c5dde59e96a96","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":658,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-14T18:39:44.937Z","text":"你先把事实搞清楚，再说话吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a10d18c5dde59e96a96","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q51b7191671ffb31dbbd8","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":659,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-14T18:51:35.180Z","text":"不论瑞恩怎么样他也去法庭了用法律解决问题，他比你这个天天在群里挑拨离间的阴沟里的[屏蔽词]强多了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q51b7191671ffb31dbbd8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q2a4fd0481f08400a41e0","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":660,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-14T18:52:12.195Z","text":"［用户 joh***］ 这咋回事？","edited":true,"reply_to":"q51b7191671ffb31dbbd8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a4fd0481f08400a41e0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q51b7191671ffb31dbbd8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q5e07a35c4aff7d88c5b7","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":661,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-14T18:52:51.993Z","text":"赢了 回本了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e07a35c4aff7d88c5b7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q7556ef746f16e72295a9","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":662,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-14T18:54:29.307Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]，你现在晚上都不睡觉了","edited":true,"reply_to":"q5e07a35c4aff7d88c5b7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7556ef746f16e72295a9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e07a35c4aff7d88c5b7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q4f5d0b3303937cd86ac9","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":663,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-14T18:54:56.518Z","text":"郭现在判了30年，你们更忙了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f5d0b3303937cd86ac9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q0144a214b89305be8af4","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":664,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-14T18:55:44.962Z","text":"钱被骗光了 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全是特务","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8831d286623566f38153","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q1153c3fe872ece54e7a1","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":704,"speaker":"mon***","date":"2026-08-14T19:31:59.194Z","text":"还有[删节：成员身份]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1153c3fe872ece54e7a1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qbb139ede73e0eb74160c","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":705,"speaker":"mon***","date":"2026-08-14T19:32:24.844Z","text":"好多 还有[删节：成员身份] 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你说这帮人是不是[屏蔽词]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8a14c47b5946af6b91f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q95f877af94efacfce06b","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":726,"speaker":"mon***","date":"2026-08-14T19:41:03.846Z","text":"本来luc 知道郭文贵骗了不少钱，想要两个亿。结果郭文贵不给，就让luc给办了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95f877af94efacfce06b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q05882029b9d0ad54e892","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":727,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-14T19:41:23.515Z","text":"还特么香港是打开灭共的第一道大门 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现在是第几道大门了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84244d4068b9c8ece3b4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qbd2b8f1ab1d598bf4e93","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":729,"speaker":"mon***","date":"2026-08-14T19:42:49.299Z","text":"郭文贵天天开会","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd2b8f1ab1d598bf4e93","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"q25013fddd5b1e3e0fe49","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":730,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-14T19:43:12.537Z","text":"受托人自己没有写一份动议，他聘请了3个个人律师和2个公司法律顾问做这些工作。比如，见下面 1，案卷编号598\n提交日期：2022年7月23日\n由 Patrick R. Linsey 代表破产管理人 Luc A. Despins 提交的动议，请求法院下令确认第 11 章破产管理人拥有债务人控制实体中的所有经济和公司治理权利；授权第 11 章破产管理人代表破产财产在任何外国行事；并授予相关救济。（Linsey, Patrick）（提交日期：2022 年 7 月 23 日） 2，案卷编号599\n提交日期：2022年7月23日\n帕特里克·R·林西代表受托人卢克·A·德斯平提交加快听证动议（关于受托人卢克·A·德斯平提交的第598号命令动议）（林西，帕特里克）（录入日期：2022年7月23日） 3，案卷编号608\n提交日期：2022年7月25日\n帕特里克·R·林赛代表破产管理人卢克·A·德斯平斯提交撤销债务人向破产法第11章受托人拟任律师送达的传票的动议（以及相关救济）。（林赛，帕特里克）（提交日期：2022年7月25日） 4，案卷编号614，这个是受托人的法律顾问公司提交的\n提交日期：2022年7月26日\n第11章破产受托人附件1——第11章破产受托人卢克·A·德斯平斯（Luc A. Despins）于2022年7月21日举行的公开状态会议上提交的关于自任命以来进展情况的初步报告及工作计划。（参考：584 状态会议已举行）。（rms）（录入日期：2022年7月26日） 5，案卷编号617\n提交日期：2022年7月27日\n帕特里克·R·林赛代表受托人卢克·A·德斯平提交送达证明（关于受托人卢克·A·德斯平提交的第598号动议，请求法院下令加快审理的第607号动议）。（林赛，帕特里克）（录入日期：2022年7月27日）---------------------------------------------------------------------   对，你现在给出的这组案卷，实际上把问题描述得更准确了。\n从你列出的 Docs. 598、599、608、614、617、619 来看，至少在 2022年7月23日至27日 这几天里，确实可以看到一个非常明显的模式：\n不是 Luc Despins 亲自起草并提交这些核心动议，而是由不同律师分别代表 trustee 出庭、起草、提交和处理。\n例如：\nDoc. 598：Patrick R. Linsey 代表 Despins 提交一项非常重大的动议，要求确认 trustee 对 debtor-controlled entities 的全部经济权利和公司治理权，并请求授权 trustee 在外国代表 estate 行事。\nDoc. 599：同一律师又代表 trustee 提交加速审理动议。\nDoc. 608：Linsey 再代表 trustee 提交撤销债务人向 trustee 拟任律师发出的 subpoena 的动议。\nDoc. 614：trustee 的法律顾问公司提交 trustee 的初步报告和工作计划。\nDoc. 617：Linsey 继续代表 trustee 处理 Doc. 598 的送达问题。\nDoc. 619：Douglas S. Skalka 代表 trustee 提交答辩，处理债务人律师 Brown Rudnick 的 withdrawal motion。\n这说明什么？\n单凭这些文件，不能说 trustee 没有履行职责，也不能说聘请律师本身违法。\n但是，它们确实支持一个更具体的问题：\n在 trustee 任命后的最初阶段，大量核心 fiduciary / litigation functions 是由外部律师代表 trustee 执行的。\n尤其 Doc. 598 很重要。\n因为这不是一个普通的“律师出庭”问题。\n598涉及的是：\ndebtor-controlled entities；\neconomic interests；\ncorporate governance rights；\nforeign jurisdictions；\ntrustee 对 estate 的控制范围。\n也就是说，这是trustee 权力范围和 estate 资产控制核心问题。\n如果这个动议的法律论证、事实调查、诉讼策略和执行全部由外部律师完成，那么就值得进一步追问：\nTrustee 本人究竟承担了什么实际 fiduciary decision-making？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25013fddd5b1e3e0fe49","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qdaafce21ba10236223ad","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":731,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-14T19:44:27.632Z","text":"没钱外包了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdaafce21ba10236223ad","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qe0982b412d9cdaacf79d","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":732,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-14T19:45:18.562Z","text":"盖特把你的钱花完了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0982b412d9cdaacf79d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qd18a34753aa736ddc831","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":733,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-14T19:45:44.137Z","text":"人家花着你的钱 你还笑人家","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd18a34753aa736ddc831","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qa5aa05fccfe7ebf2c08b","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":734,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-14T19:47:37.948Z","text":"联盟是受益群体 你们是受害群体 受害的笑受益的 只能说牛逼","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa5aa05fccfe7ebf2c08b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000145"},{"id":"qea4cf9d6782fb69e1dd8","batch_id":"batch-000145","seq":735,"speaker":"mon***","date":"2026-08-14T19:47:45.757Z","text":"郭文贵 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