{"id":"batch-000154","number":154,"revision":3,"date_start":"2026-08-27T19:13:53.610Z","date_end":"2026-08-31T07:30:31.598Z","total_messages":981,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 154 (Aug 27, 2026 – Aug 31, 2026), 981 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Across Aug 27, 2026–Aug 31, 2026, batch-000154 discussions focused on G Club ownership using case 23-cr-118 materials, including Dkt.597 and Yvette Wang’s ECF 488, to challenge claims that all inflows were Guo-controlled. Participants debated whether bankruptcy outcomes and criminal forfeiture under §853(n) should diverge over G Club assets, and whether 858 claims justify treating those assets as personal. Disputes repeatedly returned to service, standing, and evidence reliability, while no unified finding emerged. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"New petition and accounting materials shifted property focus: clear separation of Guo, Haoran He, and G Club","description":"roy*** argues the newly surfaced filing reframed ownership questions by distinguishing Guo, Haoran He, and G Club, and the thread uses that distinction to structure later disputes over control. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q44475a3dc6d2810a6d94"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q44475a3dc6d2810a6d94","summary_en":"roy*** said a new sworn petition in 23-cr-118 (Dkt.597, Apr 4, 2025) by G Club Operations LLC separated role tiers and described the disputed funds as member payments, not Defendant/Guo personal assets, while citing Yvette Wang’s ECF 488 and a §853(c) relation-back framing. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"\"Member funds are not Guo’s personal assets\" versus the later 858 model, and whether this can support Guo’s direct control of all inflows remains disputed","description":"roy*** contends the member-funds claim narrows direct-control attribution, while others dispute extending that evidence into a full 858-style assertion that Guo controlled every inflow. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q44475a3dc6d2810a6d94","qcb60e9d3c1de684106e1"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q44475a3dc6d2810a6d94","summary_en":"roy*** argued that the newly cited 23-cr-118 petition distinguished layered ownership and supported a reading that these funds were not automatically Defendant/Guo personal assets, making blanket boss-control assumptions contestable. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qcb60e9d3c1de684106e1","summary_en":"roy*** claimed a government-supplied chain links account-level actors (including Alex/Reyes, He, and Ziyang) with Guo mainly in strategic approval roles, and he argued that 858 cannot infer total personal control without account-by-account proof across every transaction bridge. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Control disputes were split into UBO, signature, and account-operations chains; Roy says Guo is a strategic influencer rather than a day-to-day operator","description":"roy*** argues direct indicators point to other controllers, while still claiming Guo’s role is primarily strategic influence, making the legal boundary between direct control and final influence the core dispute. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qcb60e9d3c1de684106e1","qb4abd3d5e20e33435e2d"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qcb60e9d3c1de684106e1","summary_en":"roy*** said account and signed-control evidence shows specific chains of operational authority, and that treating those links as proof Guo controlled all gross inflows would require additional proof beyond the current documents. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qb4abd3d5e20e33435e2d","summary_en":"roy*** stated that direct financial-control records most strongly indicate HEX/Hamilton-level operators, while Guo is argued to be only an indirect, strategic influence; the unresolved issue is whether that amounts to personal ownership control. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Whether G Club is Guo’s alter ego and included in consolidation is contested, with restitution and forfeiture priorities still colliding","description":"him*** claims bankruptcy materials have not proved alter-ego status or comprehensive ownership by Guo, and participants dispute whether assets should go to Luc versus forfeiture or victim-remission channels. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qb3455f123a1daadac459","q3a662966aa0ea809d8df","q8c809be1c8cb9c08c2ef"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qb3455f123a1daadac459","summary_en":"him*** stated that bankruptcy proceedings have not established that the G series entities are Guo’s alter ego. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q3a662966aa0ea809d8df","summary_en":"him*** argued that in bankruptcy, the judge identified only the estate called \"Mava Manor\" as tied to Guo and did not accept that all G Club property had been proven as Guo property. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q8c809be1c8cb9c08c2ef","summary_en":"him*** said the current bankruptcy opposition motion targets Luc’s failure to prove all G Club assets belonged to Guo. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"In the criminal-bankruptcy overlap, whether Luc’s handling of G Club assets affects the §853(n) compensation route became a core split","description":"him*** disputes the priority question, asserting that if G Club assets are moved under Luc the criminal restitution path is harmed, while others imply bankruptcy actions can still intersect only through criminal-motion timing. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q6d8710f1b0015f27ab97","q1d4a9784603735f7d3f2","qe8698ff45621f5652778"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q6d8710f1b0015f27ab97","summary_en":"him*** claimed that where a §853(n) motion or remission request exists in criminal court, G Club assets remain relevant, and this necessarily entangles the bankruptcy court. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1d4a9784603735f7d3f2","summary_en":"him*** warned that if G Club assets are allocated to Luc, G Club members may be left without funds in criminal §853(n) proceedings. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qe8698ff45621f5652778","summary_en":"him*** argued that G Club should not distribute to Luc but instead route assets toward the criminal court and §853(n) claimants or remission beneficiaries. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Litigation shifted to service: whether subpoenas were issued, to whom, and whether substitute or public service is valid remains repeatedly disputed","description":"kir*** disputes procedural compliance by repeatedly contesting service facts and arguing that effective participation depends on proper, identifiable delivery. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qf2e15a7d5ab2996b3612","q4b86b366940cb34a60a9","qfe921dddec69598f4584"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf2e15a7d5ab2996b3612","summary_en":"kir*** argued that the opposing side had not even issued a subpoena. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q4b86b366940cb34a60a9","summary_en":"kir*** repeated the subpoena dispute, saying even after an appeal stage and multiple sanctions there was still no real response. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qfe921dddec69598f4584","summary_en":"kir*** again challenged the opponent by asking directly where the subpoena was. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Dispute over claims targets and standing persisted over whether Zhang Yongbing and his firm were first to serve and who can represent the case","description":"Participants contend that unclear defendant identification and authority to speak undercut early motions, with recurring disputes over where the action was properly directed. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qaf91cc366b585b9e42f8","q41b9cbd084943c6c6988","qf367d058c62f30ee1495"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qaf91cc366b585b9e42f8","summary_en":"hah*** questioned whether the Southern District matter had any direct link to lawsuits against the chat group. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q41b9cbd084943c6c6988","summary_en":"kir*** disputed the thread by saying the complainant did not seem to know whom they were suing. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf367d058c62f30ee1495","summary_en":"kir*** observed that when Tony and the forfeiture procedure were raised, participants claimed another user deflected by shifting the topic. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Refund and recovery routes were split: GTV/Farm loan/SEC possibilities and whether returns should go by original channel, after termination, or directly to personal accounts were all disputed","description":"wen*** and other participants dispute where refund entitlement lies, with one side requesting a direct return and another asking for the original payment route but lacking a clear recipient. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q3a5e7cf64aca51709636","q122ff2c7ad97f8f92bb8","q0a70bf1d7cb3b055c1ad"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q3a5e7cf64aca51709636","summary_en":"kir*** expressed uncertainty about the applicable refund mechanism. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q122ff2c7ad97f8f92bb8","summary_en":"wen*** stated a clear claim for a refund from the opposing parties. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q0a70bf1d7cb3b055c1ad","summary_en":"wen*** said they wanted refunds through the original flow channel but did not know whom to contact. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Source reliability was disputed as social-media screenshots and reposts dominated, while parties lacked consistent standards for verification and admissibility","description":"ntp*** and spr*** argue that much evidence is social-media based and contend that authenticity, context, and evidentiary weight remain contested across the thread. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qfe8c476d98e660aa8751","q674d727973a1a7265bfa","qd8b12807d8ff2738ef7f"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qfe8c476d98e660aa8751","summary_en":"ntp*** questioned whether two posted social updates were the same item, using them as a basis for evidence scrutiny. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q674d727973a1a7265bfa","summary_en":"ntp*** posted a social-media video reference as part of the evidence discussion. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qd8b12807d8ff2738ef7f","summary_en":"spr*** posted another social-media reference in the same evidentiary context. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Identity and motive narratives expanded, with labeling around real names, leadership figures, and political motives crowding out core legal reasoning","description":"him***, kir***, and may*** contend that motive and identity narratives are being used to frame opponents, and the thread disputes these labels versus evidence-based analysis. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q74030c5ac317f08996e4","q72b0a259b65c065dae47","qfc75c3ce230b4ec374e8"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q74030c5ac317f08996e4","summary_en":"him*** claimed the broader case purpose was politically driven by characterizing it as an attempt to \"destroy Communists.\" Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q72b0a259b65c065dae47","summary_en":"kir*** insisted that further discussion should wait until official process documents, especially a subpoena, were actually produced. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qfc75c3ce230b4ec374e8","summary_en":"may*** argued that despite incarceration, the relevant person still refused to admit responsibility. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Appeals and court boundaries remained disputed as CVRA, §853(n), Rule 32, and post-appeal procedural routes were repeatedly modeled","description":"joh*** and kir*** contend that sequencing claims (including CVRA and sovereignty framing) affect the path of forfeiture, while Rule 32 conflicts are treated as another unresolved procedural battleground. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q9eb4672051da218728ba","qbe54280be02e100fb4a6","q4ec5789ceaaf20c44189"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q9eb4672051da218728ba","summary_en":"joh*** argued that the S3 indictment set a staged framework that then advanced through witnesses and Wang’s plea-and-forfeiture posture. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qbe54280be02e100fb4a6","summary_en":"joh*** contended that Tony’s sovereign-conflict and CVRA-style self-assertion disrupted the chain on jurisdiction and forfeiture. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q4ec5789ceaaf20c44189","summary_en":"kir*** disputed the legal posture by saying conviction and arrest were not conflicting, while Rule 32 was the point of conflict in the dispute. Community statements, not court findings."}]}],"summary":"讨论整体围绕郭与G Club相关财产归属展开，先从请愿材料、账户数字与账目线索建立“谁控钱、钱归谁”的框架；随后分化为能否据“层级化直接控制”将郭扩张为对全部inflow个人控制的定性。群内高度分裂于破产案与刑事案是否冲突、没收与受偿谁优先、以及是否应暂缓追缴。程序维度又持续放大：传票是否送达、送达对象与方式、应诉资格和时间节点（含异议期限）反复被拉到前沿。并行讨论还覆盖退款渠道、合同追责、起诉对象识别和身份标签化，外加社媒证据可信度争议。整体并未形成共识，更多呈现概率推断与叙事对抗并存的状态。","guide":[{"title":"新增请愿与账目材料推动财产归属重心：明确区分郭、Haoran He与G Club","message_ids":["q44475a3dc6d2810a6d94"]},{"title":"“会员资金非郭个人资产”与后续858模型口径并置，是否可推得郭对全部inflow直接控制仍有争议","message_ids":["q44475a3dc6d2810a6d94","qcb60e9d3c1de684106e1"]},{"title":"控制权争议被细分为UBO、签字和账户操作链，Roy提出郭为战略影响者而非日常操盘者","message_ids":["qcb60e9d3c1de684106e1","qb4abd3d5e20e33435e2d"]},{"title":"G Club是否为郭的alter ego并纳入并清范围争执不一，反对分配与没收关系持续对撞","message_ids":["qb3455f123a1daadac459","q3a662966aa0ea809d8df","q8c809be1c8cb9c08c2ef"]},{"title":"刑事与破产交叉中，luc处置或保留G Club相关资产是否影响853(n)受偿与追缴路线成核心分歧","message_ids":["q6d8710f1b0015f27ab97","q1d4a9784603735f7d3f2","qe8698ff45621f5652778"]},{"title":"诉讼程序重点转向传票与送达：是否已送达、送达对象、替代或公示送达的适格性反复争辩","message_ids":["qf2e15a7d5ab2996b3612","q4b86b366940cb34a60a9","qfe921dddec69598f4584"]},{"title":"起诉对象与程序资格并不统一，是否先对张永兵及其律所送达、谁有权代表发言成持续争点","message_ids":["qaf91cc366b585b9e42f8","q41b9cbd084943c6c6988","qf367d058c62f30ee1495"]},{"title":"退款与追偿路径高度分裂：GTV、Farm loan、SEC等链条是否原路退还、先解约后通知或直接打回个人账户","message_ids":["q3a5e7cf64aca51709636","q122ff2c7ad97f8f92bb8","q0a70bf1d7cb3b055c1ad"]},{"title":"材料来源与证据边界受质疑，社媒截图/转述占比高，群内对可核验性和程序可采性缺乏一致标准","message_ids":["qfe8c476d98e660aa8751","q674d727973a1a7265bfa","qd8b12807d8ff2738ef7f"]},{"title":"身份与动机叙事扩张：大号真名、七哥主导、政治算计与抓捕动机等标签化讨论挤占事实分析","message_ids":["q74030c5ac317f08996e4","q72b0a259b65c065dae47","qfc75c3ce230b4ec374e8"]},{"title":"上诉与法庭边界仍无共识，CVRA、§853(n)、Rule32及二巡后可持续程序路径被反复推演","message_ids":["q9eb4672051da218728ba","qbe54280be02e100fb4a6","q4ec5789ceaaf20c44189"]}],"closed":true,"is_finalized":true,"updated_at":"2026-09-06T19:39:05.171Z","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_batch","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154","base_batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000154","page":1,"page_size":200,"total_pages":5,"has_more":true,"next_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000154?page=2","prev_url":null,"messages":[{"id":"q44475a3dc6d2810a6d94","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":1,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-27T19:13:53.610Z","text":"这轮有一份之前没有纳入我们主线、我认为达到“值得通知”标准的新材料。它不是法院已经认定“郭不控制G Club”，而是更有针对性：同一个23-cr-118刑事案里，在858作出之前，G Club由FFP/Andrew Childe以宣誓方式正式向Torres提交了一份§853(n)第三方产权请愿，把“郭、Haoran He、G Club公司、运营人员、会员资金”明确拆成了不同层级。 这对我们一直防止的 “Boss → 公司资产 → 郭个人资产/control”替代推理很有价值。\n\n原始记录是23-cr-118，Dkt.597，2025年4月4日。 正文标题是 Verified Petition under Fed. R. Crim. P. 32.2 for Adjudication of Petitioner’s Right to Specific Property，由 G Club Operations LLC提出，Andrew Childe以FFP董事身份在伪证处罚下核实内容。它针对的是Yvette Wang的ECF 488没收令中的一部分G Club资产，而不是郭后来858的$889m money judgment；这一点必须先说清。\n\n这份宣誓请愿把角色写得异常清楚：G Club是Puerto Rico LLC，在Puerto Rico有办公室和员工；郭的角色写成“spokesperson for G Club”；Haoran He被直接写成“ultimate beneficial owner of G Club”；2023年6月1日起，FFP成为Independent Manager，由Andrew Childe负责。  更关键的是，它不是只争一个公司名义。Dkt.597明确宣称被扣押的G Club资产来自会员直接付款或可追踪至membership payments，并说这些资金来自8,000多名会员，“not from Defendant’s (or Kwok’s) personal assets.” \n\n请愿书随后提出一个非常尖锐的产权立场：如果这些钱不是犯罪收益，则G Club作为第三方为会员利益主张所有权；如果法院认定它们全部属于fraud proceeds，那么根据§853(c) relation-back理论，另一方应当是Government，而不是把这些钱先变成被告个人资产。请愿书甚至直接写，G Club funds不能仅因为被告同意没收而“converted into assets of Defendant”。\n\n这和858的“Boss/control”问题接起来以后，意义很具体。它至少说明，在858之前同一个刑事卷宗里已经存在一份经过宣誓核实的实体方记录，把G Club拆成：\n\nHaoran He = formal/beneficial ownership；\nPuerto Rico人员 = 原始业务运营；\nWang = 政府自己描述的de facto CEO和大额转款执行者；\nFFP/Childe = 2023年6月以后独立管理；\nGuo = spokesperson，但存在其他trial evidence证明其战略/重大事项影响；\nMembers = 资金原始来源。\n\nDkt.597自己还引用政府对Wang的量刑立场：政府称Wang是G Club的 de facto CEO，并且“directed million-dollar money transfers”和大额奢侈品采购。也就是说，这份第三方请愿不是简单否认整个政府案件，而是利用政府自己的描述，把日常/交易执行权和郭的角色区分开来。\n\n附件又给了我们新的逐账户抓手。相关清单明确列出 G Club International Ltd.在Mercantile Bank约$12.6206m账户，以及G Club Operations在TD Bank关闭账户后形成的两张official checks，合计约 $7.173m。 这两个比泛泛说“G Club约$240m”有用得多，因为现在可以逐个问：账户UBO是谁、authorized signer是谁、谁能发wire、关户是谁决定、checks寄给谁、谁后来实际取回。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44475a3dc6d2810a6d94","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q3407cb575211275e8e83","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":2,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-27T19:19:34.596Z","text":"看下对不对","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3407cb575211275e8e83","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q26bb02aa6c5e42bb2011","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":3,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-27T19:40:11.487Z","text":"就是说喜交所和汉密尔顿都是于是最终所有权，签字权和控制权人？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q88158b6b1b328e0e4d9d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26bb02aa6c5e42bb2011","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88158b6b1b328e0e4d9d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qcb60e9d3c1de684106e1","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":4,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-27T20:00:27.978Z","text":"G Club现在已经出现一条政府自己入证的、超过$10m的真实银行控制链：Alex/Reyes在G Club账户层、He在UBO和下游authorized-signatory层、Ziyang在合同manager/signatory层，而Guo的证据主要落在战略指令、特定最终点头和家庭受益层。政府可以主张这些人都是替Boss执行，但858若要把这种“层级式控制”进一步扩展成Guo对G Club全部gross inflows的personal control，就必须把那座逐账户、逐交易的控制桥真正证明出来。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb60e9d3c1de684106e1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qb4abd3d5e20e33435e2d","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":5,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-27T20:01:31.639Z","text":"所以如果你问：\n\n“在正式产权、银行签字、账户操作和技术系统这些最直接的control指标上，HEX/Hamilton是不是更多指向Je？”\n\n答案是：是，而且证据很强。\n\n但我不会说成：\n\n“HEX和Hamilton全部、绝对、排他地都只属于Je，郭完全没有任何控制。”\n\n因为政府会主张郭通过Je存在间接/最终控制，并拿出郭参与重大资金路线、宣传H Coin、特定资金用途等证据。现在真正的法律争议不是Je有没有直接控制——这点越来越清楚；而是：\n\nJe的直接所有权/签字权/操作权，能不能因为郭是整体Boss，就全部进一步归成郭个人的control。\n\n这正是858最薄弱的地方之一。\n\n一句话总结：\n\nHEX和Hamilton的“直接金融控制人”目前记录最强地指向Je；郭更多是政府主张的战略/最终影响者。直接控制和最终影响不是同一个法律概念。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q26bb02aa6c5e42bb2011","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4abd3d5e20e33435e2d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26bb02aa6c5e42bb2011","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qf8b5bd39d5760a423b2b","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":6,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-27T20:35:20.531Z","text":"“郭是不是Boss”不是没价值，但它现在更像是辅助拆解858没收归因、agency、alter ego的工具；如果把它当26-1853的总主轴，确实容易被政府一句“陪审团已经认定整个enterprise、法院也作了leadership finding”拖回事实争议。你说的“打地基”更值得优先：政府和法院在作出定罪、量刑、没收之前，是否掌握了会改变资金性质、受害者身份、归属结构或法院裁量判断的重要事实，却用一个过度简化的模型呈现给陪审团和法院。\n\n而你对 716-4 的提醒是对的。我刚刚重新把原件核了。这里甚至不应该再说“要证明检方知道716-4”。716-4本身就是政府于2025年7月28日提交的附件，而里面的核心FBI affidavit反映的是执法机关早期调查所得；所以真正的问题不是knowledge存在不存在，而是knowledge的时间、范围和后续呈现方式。\n\n更重要的是，716-4确实留下了几处可以往你说的“大陆投资人资金方式”继续打的政府自身记录。\n\n它明确说，FBI/SEC不仅仅看到一个简单的“投资人 → G Club/HEX账户”模型。Agent写的是，执法机关已经识别出至少80多个银行账户用于处理相关资金，其中包括约19个G Club账户、16个Crane账户、28个Farm账户、8个G Fashion账户、14个Hamilton账户以及至少3个Himalaya实体账户。也就是说，政府自己的调查模型从一开始就是多实体、多账户、多金融机构，而不是一个平面的收款池。\n\n更直接的是716-4第57页。政府自己写：\n\n2022年1月24日至4月4日，大约 $73.8 million 进入Hamilton Opportunity Fund账户；这些incoming transfers主要是来自 Chinese individuals 的wire，单笔大约从$1,100到$3m不等，而且有些个人多次汇款。\n\n然后Agent不是说这些人直接把钱汇到所谓“正确投资主体”，而是自己解释：资金可能被导向**“an entity other than the intended investment vehicle”**，也就是投资人意图购买G Club或Himalaya Exchange，但钱进入另一个实体账户。\n\n这一点很关键。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8b5bd39d5760a423b2b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qdb5dcaafc1f88fd314ac","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":7,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-27T20:35:23.318Z","text":"因为它证明政府至少在2022年的调查阶段已经知道：\n\n投资人的身份 ≠ 银行最终看到的收款实体；\n\n投资产品 ≠ 实际资金第一落点；\n\n资金可能经过不同实体和金融中介；\n\n同一个中国投资人可能多次wire；\n\n账面收款主体不能自动等同实际投资关系。\n\n716-4还明确描述BSI Group、Reserve Trust、Prime Trust、Mercantile等第三方payment/intermediary结构，称资金会经过不同金融机构和第三方支付管理实体。\n\n所以我现在会修正之前那个问题的表述。不是：\n\n“我们能不能证明政府早就知道大陆投资人的复杂资金方式？”\n\n而是：\n\n“政府自己已经留下书面记录，证明它知道资金体系包含中国个人、多次汇款、非预期投资主体收款、多实体、多银行和第三方金融中介；那么在trial、sentencing和forfeiture阶段，它究竟向陪审团/法院完整呈现了多少这种上游复杂性？”\n\n这才是真正值得深挖的。\n\n而且你之前在26-361做的record-preservation材料其实已经抓到了这个方向：公开记录显示，你当时已经提出，716-4说明政府在trial前掌握了一部分金融结构，而trial中呈现的可能是更简化的资金流模型。\n\n现在要把这个从“怀疑”升级成真正可上诉的问题，不能只证明：\n\n政府知道结构复杂。\n\n必须继续证明第二步：\n\n政府明知道A+B+C，却在某个必须完整披露/准确表述的节点只呈现了A，并因此产生了materially misleading impression。\n\n所以我接下来会把主攻点从“谁是Boss”往下面这四条移动：\n\n716-4及2022 FBI affidavits到底已经掌握哪些中国投资人的实际资金路径。\nEspinoza、Hinton、GXZ26和政府summation后来到底怎样向陪审团描述资金来源和资金流。\n有没有政府掌握但庭审没有呈现的“小组长/代收人/贸易公司/换汇/第三方支付/多人合并资金/一人代多人汇款”等结构。\n这种省略究竟只是简化展示，还是足以改变“谁是投资人、谁是victim、谁的钱进入哪个实体、gross inflow到底代表什么”的material omission。\n\n这里必须提醒一个法律上的门槛：“政府没有把所有复杂性都讲出来”本身不等于prosecutorial fraud。 真正强的路线需要找到类似：\n\n政府有原始文件X，明确显示资金来自A经B代汇给C；\n但政府在陪审团前把C账户入账直接描述成A项目从“victims”收到的投资；\n并且这个简化影响了fraud、loss、victim count或forfeiture金额。\n\n如果找到这种前后可直接对照的原始记录，那就比争“郭是不是Boss”高一个层级。\n\n而且你说的“裁量权”也需要用同样方式做：不要泛泛说Torres“没有裁量权”，而要找法院依法必须先解决的predicate question / 必须理解的事实范围 / 必须独立作出的判断，然后证明政府的呈现方式使法院根本没有在完整事实基础上行使那个裁量。这种写法才可能真的成为你说的“抽地基”。\n\n所以接下来我会把 Boss/control线降为第二梯队证据，继续保留，因为它对858很有用；第一梯队优先转到：\n\nGovernment prior knowledge → trial/sentencing representation → omitted/flattened fact → material consequence → preservation/review standard。\n\n尤其716-4，我现在同意你的判断：“政府知不知道”已经不是值得花时间证明的问题。值得证明的是政府知道了什么，却后来怎样说。 这两个问题完全不同。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb5dcaafc1f88fd314ac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q188c32bf5468ff52ecb1","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":8,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-27T21:34:15.304Z","text":"在钱的问题上，检方唯一能够把郭给联上的就是ACA CAPITAL 给郭家用农场借款转的款，但是却没有ACA Capital 的流水， 只说借款转给了郭家， 却没有推出完整的账本","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q188c32bf5468ff52ecb1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q658ec9865e0bb5d2e430","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":9,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-27T21:35:27.516Z","text":"也就是说， 这个大”boss” 当来当去， 没有其他贪腐犯罪行为","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q658ec9865e0bb5d2e430","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qb842b92d521fcef55821","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":10,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-27T22:19:28.026Z","text":"1","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbf053ad48de107d41e32","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb842b92d521fcef55821","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf053ad48de107d41e32","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qb3455f123a1daadac459","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":11,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-27T22:35:43.259Z","text":"破产案luc到现在都没有证明G系列是郭的alter ego","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf8b5bd39d5760a423b2b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3455f123a1daadac459","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8b5bd39d5760a423b2b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q3a662966aa0ea809d8df","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":12,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-27T22:36:31.031Z","text":"法官除了说玛娃庄园是郭的，其他gclub的财产luc没有证明是郭的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a662966aa0ea809d8df","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q8c809be1c8cb9c08c2ef","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":13,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-27T22:38:06.800Z","text":"现在gclub在破产庭的反对动议，说的就是luc没有证明gclub的所有财产是郭的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c809be1c8cb9c08c2ef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qe8698ff45621f5652778","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":14,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-27T22:39:20.489Z","text":"所以gclub反对把财产分给luc，而是应该把财产给刑事庭，分给那些853n申请者或者remission受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8698ff45621f5652778","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q6d8710f1b0015f27ab97","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":15,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-27T22:40:41.266Z","text":"所以如果你在刑事庭有853n动议或者remission，你还有gclub的钱，破产法庭这件事就和你有关系","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d8710f1b0015f27ab97","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q09b6d9f32801b9d778cc","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":16,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-27T22:44:21.269Z","text":"有一点，Gclub反对不等于gclub会员反对，gclub的律师代表的是gclub，会员自己的权益，需要会员自己请律师或者自己搞","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q09b6d9f32801b9d778cc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qbc85942fca6e0a26bbf7","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":17,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-08-27T22:47:35.609Z","text":"都是让郭案撤案重审的，查清楚明细再翻案的，你们几个整天来让老郭有罪坐牢，保证没收搞的钱到联盟分了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6d8710f1b0015f27ab97","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc85942fca6e0a26bbf7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d8710f1b0015f27ab97","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qea52e5198f51c1a4c768","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":18,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-27T22:48:16.336Z","text":"Gclub反对luc分钱，是让郭坐牢啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbc85942fca6e0a26bbf7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea52e5198f51c1a4c768","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc85942fca6e0a26bbf7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q64b22145fc0ce34213f3","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":19,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-27T22:48:41.986Z","text":"Gclub会员反对luc分钱，是让郭坐牢啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64b22145fc0ce34213f3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qc5e58b7f2eb6b7c883eb","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":20,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-27T22:50:29.883Z","text":"Gclub律师说的是gclub不是郭的alter ego，所以luc不能分钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc5e58b7f2eb6b7c883eb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q1d4a9784603735f7d3f2","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":21,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-27T22:51:53.277Z","text":"如果gclub被luc分走了，那你们这些gclub会员在刑事庭的853n就没钱分了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d4a9784603735f7d3f2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q4402f357434d563da167","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":22,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-28T00:05:14.969Z","text":"一这个地方之前讨论过，当时的结论是，政府应该已经把包括这些资料在内的这庞大的资料库给了辩方，是辩方自己不指出来。所以，现在再把问题讨论一边，政府只是需要在呈现简化的会误导陪审团的模型之前，作为布雷迪披露将资料作为海量资料的一部分披露给对方即可？还是程序上根本不允许这么做？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qab7654367f87cb2c54ff","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4402f357434d563da167","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q1be74184b60c206dbe9e","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":23,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-28T00:11:03.886Z","text":"然后488是14亿，720变成13亿，政府的z-26是gtv,农场借贷，gclub,hex加起来是13亿，然后法治基金和法治社会也在488和720里都有提到，所以那少的一亿是不是法治基金和法治社会，然后大家都装看不见？859里，是否还点到了法治基金和法治社会？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1be74184b60c206dbe9e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q09ef2f0c2ce1a00d097f","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":24,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-28T00:12:27.060Z","text":"luc在破产案追回来的钱，应该大部分是法治基金和法治社会的钱。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q09ef2f0c2ce1a00d097f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q8f4bd74df97102843bd4","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":25,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-28T02:16:37.719Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge3/status/2093160727012135204?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f4bd74df97102843bd4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q045e214d46389dc17eb7","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":26,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-28T02:28:07.776Z","text":"［用户 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这不是在放屁嘛，Gclub和郭美等公司，是反对luc与政府和解，因为财产归属还没判定","edited":true,"reply_to":"qe8698ff45621f5652778","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q045e214d46389dc17eb7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8698ff45621f5652778","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q2854cf185a09d839efa2","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":27,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-28T02:29:06.610Z","text":"这就搞笑了，追的是300骨干分到的法治基金的钱🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q09ef2f0c2ce1a00d097f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2854cf185a09d839efa2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q09ef2f0c2ce1a00d097f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qd4412ad603f6136e6108","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":28,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-28T02:32:10.851Z","text":"AI给出的，如何参与破产案，并提出反对动议的方法，仅供参考，自己验证。\n\n这是针对 In re Ho Wan Kwok, et al., Case No. 22-50073 (JAM) 一案提出异议的精简版诉讼/提交方法：\n\n• 法院 / 案件\n美国康涅狄格州破产法院，布里奇波特分庭\n案件：In re Ho Wan Kwok, et al.，第11章破产案件，案件编号 22-50073 (JAM)，案件已由法院合并管理（jointly administered）。\n\n• 需要提交以下文件（仅供参考，按自己实际情况提交，可以邮寄，也可以打电话给书记处询问是否可以电子邮件提交）：\n\n1. 康涅狄格州当地表格（网站下载）：自诉/无代理律师的当事人出庭通知（Notice of Self-Represented Filer/Litigant Appearance (BK)）；\n2. 根据《联邦破产程序规则》Fed. R. Bankr. P. 9006(b)(1)，提交《逾期提出有限异议的许可动议》（Motion for Leave to File Limited Objection Out of Time）；\n3. 针对 ECF 第5739号文件的异议，以及对 ECF 第5747号文件中部分论点的附议（比如，Objection to ECF No. 5739 and Joinder in Certain Arguments Raised in ECF No. 5747）；\n4. 送达证明（Certificate of Service）。\n\n康涅狄格州特别要求，没有律师代理的债务人（self-represented nondebtor）进入破产案件时，必须向法院提交法院规定的出庭表格。\n\n• 邮寄/提交地址：\n\nClerk, United States Bankruptcy Court\nBrien McMahon Federal Building\nBrien McMahon\n915 Lafayette Boulevard, 1st Floor\n915 Lafayette Boulevard\nBridgeport, CT 06604\n电话：203-579-5808\n\n法院确认，传统纸质文件可以通过以下方式提交：\n亲自递交；\n美国邮政（U.S. Mail）；\n或其他递送服务。\n\n也可以打电话给书记官办公室，询问是否可以电子邮件提交。\n\n• 书记官办公室办公时间：\n周一至周五，上午 9:00 至下午 4:00（美国东部时间），联邦假日或法院关闭日除外。\n在寄送材料之前，致电 203-579-5808，并告知书记官：您是**自行代理（self-represented）**的当事人，所寄材料包括 22-50073 案中具有时间紧迫性的 Rule 9006(b)(1) 动议和异议。\n\n• 关于截止日期的问题：\n由于存在截止日期问题，不要只邮寄异议本身。\n8月19日的异议截止日期已经过去，因此，您的异议应该与您的：\n《逾期提交异议许可动议》（Motion for Leave to File Out of Time）\n一起提交。\n您的动议应当如实说明：\n比如，您是在几月几日才首次得知 ECF 第5739号文件；\n得知后立即审阅了相关事项，并迅速采取行动；\n同时说明原来的异议期限极其短暂；\n并指出 ECF 第5747号文件本身也提出了相关问题，即给予回应的时间不足一天。\n\n• 尽快邮寄：\n比如，由于您是在几月几日才获悉相关事项，因此应当尽快寄出材料。\n\n您的请求已经属于 Rule 9006(b)(1) 所管辖的逾期提交问题，因此目前最重要的是证明：您在实际获知相关事项后立即采取了行动。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4412ad603f6136e6108","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q32fbe3ec237a0a76c289","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":29,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-28T02:36:17.945Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 安小东，gclub什么时候说了，自己的财产，要拿到刑事案？同意没收？睁眼说瞎话","edited":true,"reply_to":"qd4412ad603f6136e6108","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q32fbe3ec237a0a76c289","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4412ad603f6136e6108","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qf66aa0034efa0aebeaad","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":30,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-28T02:50:25.637Z","text":"https://x.com/Haier918/status/2093168987538391398","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf66aa0034efa0aebeaad","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q3e00c3e5345c856d8c20","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":31,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-28T07:01:06.964Z","text":"https://x.com/testurheart/status/2093231890165637166?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e00c3e5345c856d8c20","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qbeeca5082a1af98c96bc","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":32,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-28T07:29:59.232Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge3/status/2093166731745480780?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbeeca5082a1af98c96bc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q64873dd30df262957019","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":33,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-28T09:37:05.236Z","text":"之前破产案luc的和解，联盟都会组织债权人去反对\n这次没声了，为嘛？因为要没收资产，给债权人，他们当然不能去反对啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64873dd30df262957019","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qcfae78a0a8e1811d9e57","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":34,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-28T09:42:20.344Z","text":"Gclub郭美等，在破产案反对和解，这是反对luc诉他们“是郭的alter ego\"的延续\nalter ego的案子，luc赢了郭美，还有其他几个公司，但是输给了郭强的BVI公司，其他的诉讼，还没有裁定\n但南区检方，已经提前和luc，合计分钱了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfae78a0a8e1811d9e57","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q96d0a836839702f68451","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":35,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-28T09:49:07.046Z","text":"把Gclub反对和解，说成是Gclub要把资金拿到刑事案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q96d0a836839702f68451","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qec79c1d9d6ae9bbc1d3e","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":36,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-28T09:53:12.429Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 本来gclub资金，已经在刑事案被冻结，在破产案gclub反对和解，反对alter ego，才是撬动刑事案没收的根基\n也就是说，Gclub是独立运作体系，不是郭掌控，那么刑事案里检方的叙事，四大实体就垮了一个角","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec79c1d9d6ae9bbc1d3e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q9ea54847e29876ee7aee","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":37,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-28T09:56:15.829Z","text":"［用户 kir***］ ［用户 reb***］ \nHEX的Je是二五仔，farm loan的农场主们集体装瞎，GTV在郭案干净一些，剩下的只有Gclub，可以做做文章\n在刑事案 ，Gclub没法发声，属于涉案实体，所以只能在破产案发声。\n再看看联合的几家公司，基本都是郭家人","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ea54847e29876ee7aee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q93f8440b208e34920a59","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":38,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-28T09:58:51.730Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 安小东越是盯着Gclub，越说明她怕什么","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93f8440b208e34920a59","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q8b300d82115da1ad33fb","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":39,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-28T10:04:41.193Z","text":"法治基金和法治社会的钱，所有人都在无视，各个农场即农场里的人，拿了多少钱，都在被无视。甚至luc都在无视。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qec79c1d9d6ae9bbc1d3e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b300d82115da1ad33fb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec79c1d9d6ae9bbc1d3e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q0d6bf13641e3ef0a223a","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":40,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-28T10:06:22.311Z","text":"农场借贷这一块，有一个地方，政府算流入，是怎么算的，绝大多数农场的名字都没列在卷宗里，是怎么把流入农场的有1.5亿算出来的？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d6bf13641e3ef0a223a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q08ccd2979d60bd148e86","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":41,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-28T10:09:38.619Z","text":"是不是各个农场管理成员在不起诉协议里直接报个数字，加起来就是1.5亿？然后这些钱被农场闷，然后成郭诈骗所得，然后还要组织虚假索赔再来分真实投资，那些被闷钱的人被中共抓捕！够不够疯狂！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08ccd2979d60bd148e86","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q98ca5f264db1de663d91","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":42,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-28T10:11:05.024Z","text":"其实也就是说，起诉前，农场这块儿，是检方故意忽略\ngclub HEX 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Bass，是王","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdb3cbe43967c42d9821b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63ced5d0a79772ad9245","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb3cbe43967c42d9821b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q3fd742cd1df98c991e5b","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":78,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-28T13:02:28.700Z","text":"现在破产案是gclub和郭美，郭强的公司，去对抗luc和政府和解\n喜交所这边，成了哑巴","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3fd742cd1df98c991e5b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qd170f51bf6cfb5963291","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":79,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-28T13:04:45.557Z","text":"讲道理，这时候盖尔，应该代表喜交所6000人，去破产案反对和解\n［用户 him***］ 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在案件里是贬义，指的是犯罪企业或者犯罪集团，然后ta说G enterprise 怎么怎么好。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb261292a1a3f6ab3754","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qd19bf9098d64a553d8ca","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":95,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-28T16:08:36.309Z","text":"赢了没","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd19bf9098d64a553d8ca","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qf10a31db77b9f351a8da","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":96,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-28T16:12:47.412Z","text":"螺丝哥被抓了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf10a31db77b9f351a8da","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q825e3df4bcf7d8d9ca16","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":97,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-28T16:14:46.323Z","text":"螺丝哥哥被抓了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8f4bd74df97102843bd4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q825e3df4bcf7d8d9ca16","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f4bd74df97102843bd4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qfe8c476d98e660aa8751","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":98,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-28T16:18:48.640Z","text":"这俩消息是不是一个事儿\n\nhttps://x.com/wangchangfu88/status/2093171719275979110?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe8c476d98e660aa8751","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q674d727973a1a7265bfa","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":99,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-28T16:19:04.006Z","text":"https://x.com/AriXZone/status/2093302112474353995/video/1?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q674d727973a1a7265bfa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q7c81dfd3163231363fd6","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":100,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-28T16:32:43.821Z","text":"所以老郭回来，官司还得接着打，更热闹","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8a68803745ac8b678b73","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c81dfd3163231363fd6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a68803745ac8b678b73","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q2a57af7151b17ba39a29","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":101,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-28T16:34:03.595Z","text":"起码逻辑上通了，你不是那种人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3be82cf3174d63d72aa0","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a57af7151b17ba39a29","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q3157d4db6f7b1ec47e11","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":102,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-28T18:16:59.797Z","text":"就是案件撤销了郭出来，看那个5739协议，luc还会继续抢G系列资金到破产案，根本就不是结束，郭说的LUC才是关键，也没人认真听","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7c81dfd3163231363fd6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3157d4db6f7b1ec47e11","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c81dfd3163231363fd6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q6c0726bc60c190192341","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":103,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-28T18:22:57.827Z","text":"这个得看上诉律师了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c0726bc60c190192341","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qff7e5d610e6ed6448864","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":104,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-28T18:27:48.267Z","text":"我的意思假设上诉律师打赢，二巡判案子撤销，LUC下一秒就会发起对所有没收资金的对抗性诉讼把钱抢过去","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff7e5d610e6ed6448864","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q4cdca96afb0cb31ded38","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":105,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-28T18:35:03.948Z","text":"刑事案都没了，luc去哪抢？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qff7e5d610e6ed6448864","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4cdca96a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法盲 luc可以拿钱的前提 是这些钱老郭是alter ego 如果刑事案撤销 郭的rico指控就不存在 luc 凭什么说这是郭的钱 ？ 不是郭的钱 luc就不能拿 这都不懂  还搞法律？","edited":true,"reply_to":"q506574ed04a336ac5a5a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79197607467c3ba7eee3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q506574ed04a336ac5a5a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qcd8629226ec1bce3f0a2","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":108,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-28T18:54:16.921Z","text":"都不知道你们看了些什么，现在所有拿了法治基金和法治社会钱的都在被luc追钱不知道吗？包括班农拿了那30万都被追不知道？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8b300d82115da1ad33fb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd8629226ec1bce3f0a2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b300d82115da1ad33fb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q4a1ba9cfe84be87252e6","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":109,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-28T18:57:08.243Z","text":"法治基金和法治社会，喜交所这些实体都没对5739提交异议书，LUC补充只说了这些提交了异议的保留对抗权利，可没说这些没提交异议的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a1ba9cfe84be87252e6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qbd9351922ce10f88886e","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":110,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-28T19:00:34.955Z","text":"Luc和检方的和解协议是在刑事案成立前提下，如果检方不能纳入没收资金luc可以来抢，刑事案没了，没收也就没了，luc只能在破产案里使坏了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd9351922ce10f88886e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q946415d8dc08667083c2","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":111,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-28T19:02:00.567Z","text":"刑事案主要是有郭控制一切的印象","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbd9351922ce10f88886e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q946415d8dc08667083c2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd9351922ce10f88886e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q6d851778c4670de041a6","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":112,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-28T19:02:23.240Z","text":"如果刑事案推翻 luc破产案的外观就不支持他抢钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d851778c4670de041a6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qc4cdc5176582defa668d","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":113,"speaker":"nin***","date":"2026-08-28T19:03:05.168Z","text":"你到现在还在做梦啊？法治基金的钱就是被这帮杂碎有意掏空的，把他们列入未起诉被告人就是要查出每笔钱去处。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcd8629226ec1bce3f0a2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4cdc5176582defa668d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd8629226ec1bce3f0a2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qd8b12807d8ff2738ef7f","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":114,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-28T19:13:52.828Z","text":"https://x.com/brunei_8964/status/1679690429456093193?s=20","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8b12807d8ff2738ef7f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qcf1ff3615f27039e67b6","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":115,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-28T19:20:09.058Z","text":"［用户 roy***］ 挖挖这个，当时luc是怎么跟G系列挂上钩的","edited":true,"reply_to":"qd8b12807d8ff2738ef7f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf1ff3615f27039e67b6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8b12807d8ff2738ef7f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q83f68c43d7264253d2c6","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":116,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-28T19:20:30.591Z","text":"不就是债权人啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcf1ff3615f27039e67b6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83f68c43d7264253d2c6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf1ff3615f27039e67b6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q0be5bb1ed17b05892b79","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":117,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-28T19:21:10.388Z","text":"哦，对，23年7月","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0be5bb1ed17b05892b79","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qe72502fe3987d37a5cdd","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":118,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-28T19:22:58.122Z","text":"债权人登记这是是刑事案还是破产案","edited":false,"reply_to":"q83f68c43d7264253d2c6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe72502fe3987d37a5cdd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83f68c43d7264253d2c6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qc308f7b9bba588694a3c","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":119,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-28T19:23:09.461Z","text":"刑事案吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc308f7b9bba588694a3c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q71f0b11442f4bcd2b950","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":120,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-28T19:35:10.170Z","text":"螺丝哥不是说不抓他吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71f0b11442f4bcd2b950","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qd954871805547bed0c95","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":121,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-28T19:35:43.000Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 你被拘留了几天？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd954871805547bed0c95","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qd2dd429750185400fdf3","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":122,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-28T19:35:52.812Z","text":"破产案","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe72502fe3987d37a5cdd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2dd429750185400fdf3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe72502fe3987d37a5cdd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q801e414c951186b03f34","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":123,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-28T19:35:59.261Z","text":"但刑事案拿来拒绝保释","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q801e414c951186b03f34","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qda01c733efa0d78b044b","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":124,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-28T19:37:11.945Z","text":"那刑事案没了，luc还是可以对G系列下手","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd2dd429750185400fdf3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda01c733efa0d78b044b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2dd429750185400fdf3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q37665c24f4440f2dc586","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":125,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-28T19:38:33.537Z","text":"如果刑事案是因为主权冲突被推翻，那破产案是不是也没有权力没收这笔钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37665c24f4440f2dc586","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q4e1019ccbfcdd12ba3f7","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":126,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-28T19:40:34.085Z","text":"你怎么不去二巡？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4e1019ccbfcdd12ba3f7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qa8985584e30d21d487f2","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":127,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-28T19:43:46.722Z","text":"你们不是说共产党怕螺丝哥 不敢抓他吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa8985584e30d21d487f2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q3f01804ea7dff3d3aa4d","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":128,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-28T19:44:05.038Z","text":"抓了是不是大赢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f01804ea7dff3d3aa4d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q04dbd5a4e7d4cfeace42","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":129,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-28T20:15:41.722Z","text":"LUC和检方签的只是  现在  不抢这些钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q04dbd5a4e7d4cfeace42","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qe47509eaaabaa0151908","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":130,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-28T20:18:10.231Z","text":"那是自然！刑事案件不存在了就沒有任何的沒收。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q37665c24f4440f2dc586","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe47509eaaabaa0151908","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37665c24f4440f2dc586","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q6b0cfe62dd3874455bee","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":131,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-28T22:47:23.310Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge777/status/2093466683780599834?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b0cfe62dd3874455bee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q11b9fa305c82214991bf","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":132,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-28T22:47:57.660Z","text":"联盟又说老郭身体好 就是为了说明淡化他在庭审吐血 混到 口吐白沫","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11b9fa305c82214991bf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qf37f6e615c981adffc41","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":133,"speaker":"Sap***","date":"2026-08-28T23:01:59.117Z","text":"很遗憾，用户 [删节：隐私信息] 离开了 **郭文贵法庭文件，不禁言不删帖**。希望他一路好走。","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf37f6e615c981adffc41","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qf54172ef90aeb70cd196","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":134,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-28T23:24:15.513Z","text":"luc能动g系列的钱，是因为这本就是不正当程序制造的法律事实。它的替代自我诉讼，没有任何独立支撑，用违法手段制造出的法律事实，让刑事程序把郭定成rico boss，然后破产案那边才能圆得了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf54172ef90aeb70cd196","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qed4cdfeaa2d47cd457ba","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":135,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-28T23:25:57.287Z","text":"刑事案rico boss 是外观","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf54172ef90aeb70cd196","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed4cdfeaa2d47cd457ba","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf54172ef90aeb70cd196","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qd8da753c1c0a2d688c37","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":136,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-28T23:26:02.954Z","text":"有这个外观才行","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8da753c1c0a2d688c37","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q73896515956b219c124b","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":137,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-28T23:44:35.646Z","text":"https://x.com/sarahzh67248600/status/2093484004435771647?s=12&t=eXMPp66CZUFD_7vvMedcSA","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73896515956b219c124b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q34144c88b34225933aaa","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":138,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-29T00:06:03.891Z","text":"HCHK 名义帐户所有人是王，把公司权益转给了一家公司，这家公司和LUC和解了，拿了55W 就把全部公司资产都给了LUC，王曾试图让李亚转走HCHK的资金，为了规避检方没收结果被LUC搞去了，更糟","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34144c88b34225933aaa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q686c2c33817df63db5df","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":139,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-29T00:07:02.372Z","text":"871 是谁的？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q686c2c33817df63db5df","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q8c208d26fed19bc9b41a","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":140,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-29T00:08:02.801Z","text":"Gclub也在把控制权转给别人后，开始配合LUC 2004调查","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c208d26fed19bc9b41a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qabf0ada45edea73a60fd","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":141,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-29T00:13:04.343Z","text":"这些法治基金和法治社会拿钱的都在被LUC追 ok","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8b300d82115da1ad33fb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qabf0ada45edea73a60fd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b300d82115da1ad33fb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qf4f442c4c4cfc55940ef","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":142,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-29T00:15:24.003Z","text":"2300多万就给班农，纳瓦罗的30万是花得有价值的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4f442c4c4cfc55940ef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qfc5973b1f95d341a341f","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":143,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-29T00:32:01.079Z","text":"好好说话，把对方说的话看了再说话。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qabf0ada45edea73a60fd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc5973b1f95d341a341f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qabf0ada45edea73a60fd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qe8f17e576ae6bed2e6ff","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":144,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-29T00:35:28.208Z","text":"这个王雁平，成立公司接收gtv和农场借贷投资款，向gclub 管理层传达代言人的建议，雇佣加密货币专业人士涉足了hex，然后认罪共谋诈骗和共谋洗钱，然后我们就被一起拖下水了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8f17e576ae6bed2e6ff","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q25da2ca483d44581ee08","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":145,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-29T00:49:56.640Z","text":"主動認：（共謀詐騙！）\n                   （共謀洗錢！）\n她在庭上全程用英文作答：她說知道自己和boss都錯了，對很多人造成了嚴重伤害。然後，頂格判十年。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe8f17e576ae6bed2e6ff","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25da2ca483d44581ee08","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8f17e576ae6bed2e6ff","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qe116eab827dbbf76c4f9","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":146,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-29T02:09:03.349Z","text":"［用户 spr***］  破产案有个屁用","edited":true,"reply_to":"qeb4167163aba02273cf9","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe116eab827dbbf76c4f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q1ce22991a45c224a715d","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":147,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-29T02:10:26.823Z","text":"现在这个案子里最可恨的是不是王雁平，然后就是那个余？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ce22991a45c224a715d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q7c9ae9e50316c1483f72","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":148,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-29T02:10:53.224Z","text":"可以这么说","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1ce22991a45c224a715d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c9ae9e50316c1483f72","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ce22991a45c224a715d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q8d44a7d731dcab1869ee","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":149,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-29T02:11:16.276Z","text":"哪位知道，法官修理螺丝哥的文件号是不是 ECF528？\n[删节：成员身份]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d44a7d731dcab1869ee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qe6f2096d3597788f229a","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":150,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-29T02:12:07.915Z","text":"是，应该就是 ECF 528，Torres 2025年4月3日出的 “Order Regarding Letters and Motions from Nonparties”。核心就是限制非当事人乱介入，但同时明确留下了 §853(n) 和 CVRA 两条法定入口。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8d44a7d731dcab1869ee","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe6f2096d3597788f229a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d44a7d731dcab1869ee","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q0b0c0edd5c717ddfbeed","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":151,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-29T02:12:20.444Z","text":"528 596 相隔不到24小时 被螺丝哥788打爆","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8d44a7d731dcab1869ee","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b0c0edd5c717ddfbeed","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d44a7d731dcab1869ee","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qbcc064999910d394bbad","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":152,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-29T02:12:42.072Z","text":"528并不是“第三方一律不能进”，恰恰相反，它自己承认§853(n)和CVRA是例外。 这也是后来第三方程序争议里经常被拿出来反打的一点","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbcc064999910d394bbad","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qe452f9fe50be8720846f","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":153,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-29T02:13:27.637Z","text":"［用户 hah***］  上次你说你给群里发传票 怎么现在进去的是螺丝哥？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe452f9fe50be8720846f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q9e1ec5313b4e20f4dfd3","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":154,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-29T02:13:48.772Z","text":"［用户 hah***］ 我到现在还没收到传票","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e1ec5313b4e20f4dfd3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q4767b03b4c198bc71d68","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":155,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-29T02:14:55.926Z","text":"［用户 hah***］ 你的传票呢？","edited":true,"reply_to":"qe6c812b7a6730ecdc455","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4767b03b4c198bc71d68","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q40fd0a56ff0e66b4347c","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":156,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-29T02:15:04.928Z","text":"［用户 hah***］  看来是给你螺丝爹发了 哈哈哈哈","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40fd0a56ff0e66b4347c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qa262040e5fea24fcb65a","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":157,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2026-08-29T02:16:02.158Z","text":"逃避传票，这事我处理得可是很有经验","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa262040e5fea24fcb65a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q653164ca2b10594534a7","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":158,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-29T02:16:02.234Z","text":"［用户 hah***］  我知道 你给群里美国的人发了传票 不小心寄到你螺丝爹那里去了 哈哈哈哈哈哈","edited":true,"reply_to":"qd893c13f0059f07d87c5","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q653164ca2b10594534a7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qf7cbcb3d45da09ca4d63","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":159,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-29T02:16:39.088Z","text":"［用户 hah***］ 你的传票呢？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7cbcb3d45da09ca4d63","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q58e344153f933ef2d40a","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":160,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2026-08-29T02:17:17.861Z","text":"我知道你们躲，不接传票","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58e344153f933ef2d40a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qf2e15a7d5ab2996b3612","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":161,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-29T02:17:32.446Z","text":"［用户 hah***］ 你连传票都不敢发","edited":true,"reply_to":"q58e344153f933ef2d40a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2e15a7d5ab2996b3612","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58e344153f933ef2d40a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qdc939416d32aaf37d9ce","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":162,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-29T02:17:58.260Z","text":"［用户 hah***］ 你的主事官治安官呢？ 哈哈哈哈哈","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc939416d32aaf37d9ce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q787cd7ebb370b7d03db1","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":163,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2026-08-29T02:18:27.386Z","text":"我为什么要发呢，你不要以为你不用大号上，就没有办法送到你那边了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf2e15a7d5ab2996b3612","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q787cd7ebb370b7d03db1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2e15a7d5ab2996b3612","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q4b86b366940cb34a60a9","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":164,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-29T02:19:02.433Z","text":"［用户 hah***］ 连传票都不敢发 被瑞恩写到二巡 各种皮鞭抽 你也不敢反抗 哈哈哈哈 只能意淫说什么发传票","edited":true,"reply_to":"q787cd7ebb370b7d03db1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b86b366940cb34a60a9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q787cd7ebb370b7d03db1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qb5b5af017b0967faad10","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":165,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-29T02:19:39.454Z","text":"［用户 hah***］ 放心 二巡法官会好好审理的 哈哈哈哈","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5b5af017b0967faad10","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qdc677f5224361bcab68c","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":166,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2026-08-29T02:19:40.227Z","text":"你用大号上吧，我就发给你看看","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc677f5224361bcab68c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qfe921dddec69598f4584","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":167,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-29T02:19:54.482Z","text":"［用户 hah***］ 你的传票呢","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe921dddec69598f4584","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q36944427cb275e9ec3c2","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":168,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2026-08-29T02:20:08.602Z","text":"用省得我向法官申请公示送达","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36944427cb275e9ec3c2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qd1240bdfd8909116a2f6","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":169,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-29T02:20:08.869Z","text":"［用户 hah***］ 那传票再来说话","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1240bdfd8909116a2f6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qc0514f944809a0265b15","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":170,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-29T02:20:26.708Z","text":"哪个法官？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q36944427cb275e9ec3c2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0514f944809a0265b15","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36944427cb275e9ec3c2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q9ce9911eed2cc22e60de","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":171,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-29T02:20:36.011Z","text":"［用户 hah***］ 哪个州的法官？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ce9911eed2cc22e60de","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q25cd26cbe6d0872e2657","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":172,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-29T02:20:59.109Z","text":"［用户 hah***］ 哦 我明白了 法官是你自己花钱选","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25cd26cbe6d0872e2657","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q152bf77e2b3be7cb2e9e","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":173,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2026-08-29T02:21:43.494Z","text":"你大号上了，我可以用替代送达你手上，你不用大号，像长岛躲也没事，我就是申请公示送达，你接不接传票，上不上法庭，也能处理","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q152bf77e2b3be7cb2e9e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qe65a3d9fe8acfb3d20c3","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":174,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-29T02:22:15.450Z","text":"我有一万个大号 那你是不是要送一万份？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q152bf77e2b3be7cb2e9e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe65a3d9fe8acfb3d20c3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q152bf77e2b3be7cb2e9e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q5aecf72c9a5b67175345","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":175,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-29T02:22:40.251Z","text":"［用户 hah***］ 郭文贵就是我的大号 我就是郭文贵","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5aecf72c9a5b67175345","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qee5409dca53505a7ca5c","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":176,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2026-08-29T02:22:56.731Z","text":"我和你对话，也只是向法庭申请我已经在努力送达事宜","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee5409dca53505a7ca5c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q98a9174da74b786601e6","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":177,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-29T02:23:36.318Z","text":"对于关在缅甸水牢的猪崽 用对话的方式送达 也真是难为你了哈哈哈哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":"qee5409dca53505a7ca5c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q98a9174da74b786601e6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee5409dca53505a7ca5c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qafb01aa26feaa6d062f3","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":178,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-29T02:25:23.832Z","text":"不要破防 赶紧发传票","edited":false,"reply_to":"q530608c18fe152a14fa2","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qafb01aa26feaa6d062f3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q8727f39311d56e4d339a","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":179,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-29T02:25:29.435Z","text":"［用户 hah***］ 你的传票呢","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8727f39311d56e4d339a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q96068f633129de3fe0f4","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":180,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-29T02:25:41.771Z","text":"没传票 没资格在这里说话","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q96068f633129de3fe0f4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qb194f7a7bc5a1f322daf","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":181,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-29T02:26:32.823Z","text":"［用户 hah***］  你的爸爸是螺丝爹 我知道 你发给美国的传票被公安截获 所以螺丝爹进去了 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什么时候把传票发来再说话","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72b0a259b65c065dae47","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q92542912351353225b06","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":184,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-29T02:29:36.250Z","text":"［用户 hah***］ 传票呢？传票呢！我等不急了 传票呢！！","edited":true,"reply_to":"qc27e3fde12eb3b035e9d","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92542912351353225b06","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q511b5d051dce69815619","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":185,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-29T02:29:46.034Z","text":"快点 传票啊！！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q511b5d051dce69815619","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q4b869682a719821e8c03","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":186,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-29T02:30:59.882Z","text":"［用户 hah***］ 骂人就说明你没传票  你骗人 哦耶哦","edited":true,"reply_to":"q42f19475d8f689dd7551","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b869682a719821e8c03","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qa9d2373411c73f00d2fa","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":187,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-29T02:31:11.742Z","text":"［用户 hah***］ 传票呢？我要传票啊！！！","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa9d2373411c73f00d2fa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q5882a5e88513c668abdd","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":188,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-29T02:31:51.687Z","text":"骂人也无法掩盖你拿不出传票的无能","edited":false,"reply_to":"qddda66ea60e909785d9a","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5882a5e88513c668abdd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qd1b92551ae3fe97e9cda","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":189,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2026-08-29T02:32:46.651Z","text":"不用破防，大号上了，可以省去我申请公示送达，可以直接用替代送达你","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4b869682a719821e8c03","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1b92551ae3fe97e9cda","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b869682a719821e8c03","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qc4996905ba836728862e","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":190,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-29T02:33:14.610Z","text":"［用户 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我说了","edited":true,"reply_to":"qd1b92551ae3fe97e9cda","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4996905ba836728862e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1b92551ae3fe97e9cda","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q8c7ed4baba7ea5d5e652","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":191,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-29T02:58:58.785Z","text":"它的认罪才给很多人造成了严重的伤害。它之前的犯罪行为带来的资金损失，已经被郭用家人的钱填平了，那些犯罪行为并没有给人带来伤害。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q25da2ca483d44581ee08","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c7ed4baba7ea5d5e652","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q25da2ca483d44581ee08","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q98f3da7468d9af6eaa14","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":192,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-29T03:01:23.077Z","text":"什么犯罪被郭用家人的钱添平了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8c7ed4baba7ea5d5e652","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q98f3da7468d9af6eaa14","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c7ed4baba7ea5d5e652","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q793e4bacc13933a6e595","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":193,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-29T03:03:25.440Z","text":"把gtv拿给凯尔巴斯的钱，最后有人拿钱给sec，然后sec才能除扣掉保管费外全额退款。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q98f3da7468d9af6eaa14","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q793e4bacc13933a6e595","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q98f3da7468d9af6eaa14","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qa4cdd3103bf1489a6b00","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":194,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-29T03:08:53.304Z","text":"哎 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第一反应 是不是你俩微信聊反共话题到阈值了 双双拘留","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q078161bbe2ce1dc21c1d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qffdc1afbff3cfb762734","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":198,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-29T03:15:10.339Z","text":"［用户 may***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"qe31d8488013705012660","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qffdc1afbff3cfb762734","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q04bcbe9f4f72eaeaa408","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":199,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-29T03:25:41.005Z","text":"继续神话他的目的是笼住最后这一茬信徒 找机会割一刀 钱直接给自己 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