{"id":"batch-000154","number":154,"revision":3,"date_start":"2026-08-27T19:13:53.610Z","date_end":"2026-08-31T07:30:31.598Z","total_messages":981,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 154 (Aug 27, 2026 – Aug 31, 2026), 981 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Across Aug 27, 2026–Aug 31, 2026, batch-000154 discussions focused on G Club ownership using case 23-cr-118 materials, including Dkt.597 and Yvette Wang’s ECF 488, to challenge claims that all inflows were Guo-controlled. Participants debated whether bankruptcy outcomes and criminal forfeiture under §853(n) should diverge over G Club assets, and whether 858 claims justify treating those assets as personal. Disputes repeatedly returned to service, standing, and evidence reliability, while no unified finding emerged. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"New petition and accounting materials shifted property focus: clear separation of Guo, Haoran He, and G Club","description":"roy*** argues the newly surfaced filing reframed ownership questions by distinguishing Guo, Haoran He, and G Club, and the thread uses that distinction to structure later disputes over control. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q44475a3dc6d2810a6d94"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q44475a3dc6d2810a6d94","summary_en":"roy*** said a new sworn petition in 23-cr-118 (Dkt.597, Apr 4, 2025) by G Club Operations LLC separated role tiers and described the disputed funds as member payments, not Defendant/Guo personal assets, while citing Yvette Wang’s ECF 488 and a §853(c) relation-back framing. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"\"Member funds are not Guo’s personal assets\" versus the later 858 model, and whether this can support Guo’s direct control of all inflows remains disputed","description":"roy*** contends the member-funds claim narrows direct-control attribution, while others dispute extending that evidence into a full 858-style assertion that Guo controlled every inflow. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q44475a3dc6d2810a6d94","qcb60e9d3c1de684106e1"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q44475a3dc6d2810a6d94","summary_en":"roy*** argued that the newly cited 23-cr-118 petition distinguished layered ownership and supported a reading that these funds were not automatically Defendant/Guo personal assets, making blanket boss-control assumptions contestable. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qcb60e9d3c1de684106e1","summary_en":"roy*** claimed a government-supplied chain links account-level actors (including Alex/Reyes, He, and Ziyang) with Guo mainly in strategic approval roles, and he argued that 858 cannot infer total personal control without account-by-account proof across every transaction bridge. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Control disputes were split into UBO, signature, and account-operations chains; Roy says Guo is a strategic influencer rather than a day-to-day operator","description":"roy*** argues direct indicators point to other controllers, while still claiming Guo’s role is primarily strategic influence, making the legal boundary between direct control and final influence the core dispute. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qcb60e9d3c1de684106e1","qb4abd3d5e20e33435e2d"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qcb60e9d3c1de684106e1","summary_en":"roy*** said account and signed-control evidence shows specific chains of operational authority, and that treating those links as proof Guo controlled all gross inflows would require additional proof beyond the current documents. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qb4abd3d5e20e33435e2d","summary_en":"roy*** stated that direct financial-control records most strongly indicate HEX/Hamilton-level operators, while Guo is argued to be only an indirect, strategic influence; the unresolved issue is whether that amounts to personal ownership control. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Whether G Club is Guo’s alter ego and included in consolidation is contested, with restitution and forfeiture priorities still colliding","description":"him*** claims bankruptcy materials have not proved alter-ego status or comprehensive ownership by Guo, and participants dispute whether assets should go to Luc versus forfeiture or victim-remission channels. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qb3455f123a1daadac459","q3a662966aa0ea809d8df","q8c809be1c8cb9c08c2ef"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qb3455f123a1daadac459","summary_en":"him*** stated that bankruptcy proceedings have not established that the G series entities are Guo’s alter ego. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q3a662966aa0ea809d8df","summary_en":"him*** argued that in bankruptcy, the judge identified only the estate called \"Mava Manor\" as tied to Guo and did not accept that all G Club property had been proven as Guo property. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q8c809be1c8cb9c08c2ef","summary_en":"him*** said the current bankruptcy opposition motion targets Luc’s failure to prove all G Club assets belonged to Guo. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"In the criminal-bankruptcy overlap, whether Luc’s handling of G Club assets affects the §853(n) compensation route became a core split","description":"him*** disputes the priority question, asserting that if G Club assets are moved under Luc the criminal restitution path is harmed, while others imply bankruptcy actions can still intersect only through criminal-motion timing. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q6d8710f1b0015f27ab97","q1d4a9784603735f7d3f2","qe8698ff45621f5652778"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q6d8710f1b0015f27ab97","summary_en":"him*** claimed that where a §853(n) motion or remission request exists in criminal court, G Club assets remain relevant, and this necessarily entangles the bankruptcy court. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1d4a9784603735f7d3f2","summary_en":"him*** warned that if G Club assets are allocated to Luc, G Club members may be left without funds in criminal §853(n) proceedings. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qe8698ff45621f5652778","summary_en":"him*** argued that G Club should not distribute to Luc but instead route assets toward the criminal court and §853(n) claimants or remission beneficiaries. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Litigation shifted to service: whether subpoenas were issued, to whom, and whether substitute or public service is valid remains repeatedly disputed","description":"kir*** disputes procedural compliance by repeatedly contesting service facts and arguing that effective participation depends on proper, identifiable delivery. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qf2e15a7d5ab2996b3612","q4b86b366940cb34a60a9","qfe921dddec69598f4584"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf2e15a7d5ab2996b3612","summary_en":"kir*** argued that the opposing side had not even issued a subpoena. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q4b86b366940cb34a60a9","summary_en":"kir*** repeated the subpoena dispute, saying even after an appeal stage and multiple sanctions there was still no real response. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qfe921dddec69598f4584","summary_en":"kir*** again challenged the opponent by asking directly where the subpoena was. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Dispute over claims targets and standing persisted over whether Zhang Yongbing and his firm were first to serve and who can represent the case","description":"Participants contend that unclear defendant identification and authority to speak undercut early motions, with recurring disputes over where the action was properly directed. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qaf91cc366b585b9e42f8","q41b9cbd084943c6c6988","qf367d058c62f30ee1495"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qaf91cc366b585b9e42f8","summary_en":"hah*** questioned whether the Southern District matter had any direct link to lawsuits against the chat group. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q41b9cbd084943c6c6988","summary_en":"kir*** disputed the thread by saying the complainant did not seem to know whom they were suing. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf367d058c62f30ee1495","summary_en":"kir*** observed that when Tony and the forfeiture procedure were raised, participants claimed another user deflected by shifting the topic. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Refund and recovery routes were split: GTV/Farm loan/SEC possibilities and whether returns should go by original channel, after termination, or directly to personal accounts were all disputed","description":"wen*** and other participants dispute where refund entitlement lies, with one side requesting a direct return and another asking for the original payment route but lacking a clear recipient. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q3a5e7cf64aca51709636","q122ff2c7ad97f8f92bb8","q0a70bf1d7cb3b055c1ad"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q3a5e7cf64aca51709636","summary_en":"kir*** expressed uncertainty about the applicable refund mechanism. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q122ff2c7ad97f8f92bb8","summary_en":"wen*** stated a clear claim for a refund from the opposing parties. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q0a70bf1d7cb3b055c1ad","summary_en":"wen*** said they wanted refunds through the original flow channel but did not know whom to contact. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Source reliability was disputed as social-media screenshots and reposts dominated, while parties lacked consistent standards for verification and admissibility","description":"ntp*** and spr*** argue that much evidence is social-media based and contend that authenticity, context, and evidentiary weight remain contested across the thread. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qfe8c476d98e660aa8751","q674d727973a1a7265bfa","qd8b12807d8ff2738ef7f"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qfe8c476d98e660aa8751","summary_en":"ntp*** questioned whether two posted social updates were the same item, using them as a basis for evidence scrutiny. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q674d727973a1a7265bfa","summary_en":"ntp*** posted a social-media video reference as part of the evidence discussion. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qd8b12807d8ff2738ef7f","summary_en":"spr*** posted another social-media reference in the same evidentiary context. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Identity and motive narratives expanded, with labeling around real names, leadership figures, and political motives crowding out core legal reasoning","description":"him***, kir***, and may*** contend that motive and identity narratives are being used to frame opponents, and the thread disputes these labels versus evidence-based analysis. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q74030c5ac317f08996e4","q72b0a259b65c065dae47","qfc75c3ce230b4ec374e8"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q74030c5ac317f08996e4","summary_en":"him*** claimed the broader case purpose was politically driven by characterizing it as an attempt to \"destroy Communists.\" Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q72b0a259b65c065dae47","summary_en":"kir*** insisted that further discussion should wait until official process documents, especially a subpoena, were actually produced. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qfc75c3ce230b4ec374e8","summary_en":"may*** argued that despite incarceration, the relevant person still refused to admit responsibility. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Appeals and court boundaries remained disputed as CVRA, §853(n), Rule 32, and post-appeal procedural routes were repeatedly modeled","description":"joh*** and kir*** contend that sequencing claims (including CVRA and sovereignty framing) affect the path of forfeiture, while Rule 32 conflicts are treated as another unresolved procedural battleground. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q9eb4672051da218728ba","qbe54280be02e100fb4a6","q4ec5789ceaaf20c44189"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q9eb4672051da218728ba","summary_en":"joh*** argued that the S3 indictment set a staged framework that then advanced through witnesses and Wang’s plea-and-forfeiture posture. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qbe54280be02e100fb4a6","summary_en":"joh*** contended that Tony’s sovereign-conflict and CVRA-style self-assertion disrupted the chain on jurisdiction and forfeiture. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q4ec5789ceaaf20c44189","summary_en":"kir*** disputed the legal posture by saying conviction and arrest were not conflicting, while Rule 32 was the point of conflict in the dispute. Community statements, not court findings."}]}],"summary":"讨论整体围绕郭与G Club相关财产归属展开，先从请愿材料、账户数字与账目线索建立“谁控钱、钱归谁”的框架；随后分化为能否据“层级化直接控制”将郭扩张为对全部inflow个人控制的定性。群内高度分裂于破产案与刑事案是否冲突、没收与受偿谁优先、以及是否应暂缓追缴。程序维度又持续放大：传票是否送达、送达对象与方式、应诉资格和时间节点（含异议期限）反复被拉到前沿。并行讨论还覆盖退款渠道、合同追责、起诉对象识别和身份标签化，外加社媒证据可信度争议。整体并未形成共识，更多呈现概率推断与叙事对抗并存的状态。","guide":[{"title":"新增请愿与账目材料推动财产归属重心：明确区分郭、Haoran He与G Club","message_ids":["q44475a3dc6d2810a6d94"]},{"title":"“会员资金非郭个人资产”与后续858模型口径并置，是否可推得郭对全部inflow直接控制仍有争议","message_ids":["q44475a3dc6d2810a6d94","qcb60e9d3c1de684106e1"]},{"title":"控制权争议被细分为UBO、签字和账户操作链，Roy提出郭为战略影响者而非日常操盘者","message_ids":["qcb60e9d3c1de684106e1","qb4abd3d5e20e33435e2d"]},{"title":"G Club是否为郭的alter ego并纳入并清范围争执不一，反对分配与没收关系持续对撞","message_ids":["qb3455f123a1daadac459","q3a662966aa0ea809d8df","q8c809be1c8cb9c08c2ef"]},{"title":"刑事与破产交叉中，luc处置或保留G 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瑞骗保准又会改口说 我没说错 我怎么知道二巡这么蠢不让郭出来  这下对我们更有利了 最高法绝对赢之类的 他量刑前后不是说的一模一样的话吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4604c3970e8445144355","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qa2143aa0e036b0872255","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":802,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-30T09:15:09.685Z","text":"到时候我把这个再发下 我觉得会比上次有用得多","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa2143aa0e036b0872255","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q5dfd37e8ee08101f7048","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":803,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-30T09:17:50.502Z","text":"所以 早着呢星辰  你想看到的验证 一时半会 看不到的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5dfd37e8ee08101f7048","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qe32e51f67bdc3637930a","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":804,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-30T09:25:14.505Z","text":"撤案它们才安全，重审就会把它们都揪出来","edited":false,"reply_to":"q40f4771e1c5f3e55399b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe32e51f67bdc3637930a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40f4771e1c5f3e55399b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qaa8a0a96305b2bc9a30e","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":805,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-30T09:36:40.733Z","text":"看二巡结果就知道了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa8a0a96305b2bc9a30e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q9dcd6809fb671cb13ea4","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":806,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-30T11:57:15.449Z","text":"每一个疯子流派的人 好像都能意识到别的流派是疯子 然后自己这个不是","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9dcd6809fb671cb13ea4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q203a3a8f1a69c8c53180","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":807,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-30T11:57:47.067Z","text":"翻案流 这不 很典型","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q203a3a8f1a69c8c53180","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q02639c26d9acfe83d3de","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":808,"speaker":"_ki***","date":"2026-08-30T12:08:59.322Z","text":"你看看瑞恩的发言\n多少神似","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q02639c26d9acfe83d3de","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q1f85e353c4ed7d035afe","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":809,"speaker":"_ki***","date":"2026-08-30T12:10:08.035Z","text":"还说要反骗多少钱 你看结果好了 自封为神 骗纸钱吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f85e353c4ed7d035afe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q9e607c1950db8d00a259","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":810,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-30T12:20:52.753Z","text":"他没有郭的游艇和国内的产业 分量不行","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e607c1950db8d00a259","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q717f91fcecdb02c2c2f9","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":811,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-30T12:21:09.693Z","text":"郭的骗局可是有故事的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q717f91fcecdb02c2c2f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qaffc251e30e912f9486d","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":812,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-30T12:27:32.309Z","text":"哟 这是谁？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaffc251e30e912f9486d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qff2ed8309aed3c9af6ef","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":813,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2026-08-30T12:44:50.705Z","text":"说了很多次了，瑞恩操它亲妈的那种尿性，在刑事法庭上，你要搞清楚美国的司法程序，刑事诉讼是由国家机构控制和主导的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff2ed8309aed3c9af6ef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q8786ac95b92a6bab6089","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":814,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-30T12:46:27.220Z","text":"你告他什么？伙计","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8786ac95b92a6bab6089","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q74ebd97b3dcf72bb8262","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":815,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-30T12:57:20.347Z","text":"以前X上刷到过他大号干司机时候 一边开车一边录视频  是不是停靠在些豪华地点 说这是自己在享乐啥的 但好像效果不好","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74ebd97b3dcf72bb8262","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qbe111efeb9a850236553","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":816,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-30T12:58:31.217Z","text":"没啥说服力 不像郭有亿万家财时攒下的海外硬件 还在 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所以才有人相信他","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q23066e2fef78b953a81f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q31061ecad60c9ee58205","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":819,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-30T14:42:59.932Z","text":"看看，被我拉黑的骗子们怎么这么活跃呀？\n看来你的判断是正确的。现在灭爆在拼足火力，不让郭案在二巡上诉上赢。即使被吓得收起尾巴的假郭美帐号在相隔整整一个月后又出来写那些己经没人相信的小作文了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2a94d34eb34b3780b3c3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q31061ecad60c9ee58205","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a94d34eb34b3780b3c3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qe41d4ec42095d3707bee","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":820,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-30T14:58:55.469Z","text":"瑞很大概率至少能骗到这个人的钱你信不","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe41d4ec42095d3707bee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q3e890407b73d8f89a4a2","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":821,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-30T15:01:48.505Z","text":"也别太小看瑞骗 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如何提纯","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaffb1139a55ef1f0397c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q02020f3412a542eeeeb5","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":824,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-08-30T15:10:00.788Z","text":"自己写的东西能登在一个可以被公式的地方 她会认为这是瑞恩天才的思路才得以实现的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q02020f3412a542eeeeb5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qf4f208172b7ac4c4141b","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":825,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-08-30T15:17:36.496Z","text":"我只看结果 吹牛没用","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4f208172b7ac4c4141b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q1db22494b7d675a9a4c2","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":826,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-30T15:41:50.385Z","text":"A先生还敢说一下余建民和喜交所\n这个群里捣乱的，没人敢提🤣 \nhttps://x.com/ddivul8m3g82864/status/2094043919571099739?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1db22494b7d675a9a4c2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q9d3e060c952da8ae51f8","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":827,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-30T16:45:56.629Z","text":"姜虾头这是，生气，因为他的喜币配额少，赚的没有联盟的头头多，怀恨在心🤣 \n但同样是从加拿大出逃的骗子，虾头骂泰山，这就不厚道了吧\nhttps://x.com/xiatouj20547/status/2094015545796341968?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d3e060c952da8ae51f8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q18d3bfeadbe368f7c683","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":828,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-30T17:40:52.149Z","text":"最新破产庭法官已经同意延期gclub异议期限到9月3日。https://x.com/Haier918/status/2092814956718600273","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18d3bfeadbe368f7c683","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q50f5309a8cbcbcec0e78","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":829,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-30T17:40:54.852Z","text":"https://x.com/Haier918/status/2093020398602604598","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50f5309a8cbcbcec0e78","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q2b4f62dd6a7b63104208","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":830,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-30T18:06:15.558Z","text":"这个案子的目的是灭共，不是把谁送进监狱🤪","edited":false,"reply_to":"q40f4771e1c5f3e55399b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2b4f62dd6a7b63104208","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40f4771e1c5f3e55399b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q4b321d59b450edbb5e0b","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":831,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-30T18:06:39.682Z","text":"案子撤销郭王余就无罪了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b321d59b450edbb5e0b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qd95cfa8fe6ee712292f5","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":832,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-30T18:06:53.064Z","text":"联盟农场谁贪污，那是另外起诉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd95cfa8fe6ee712292f5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q7a5141cab9c7cad5a2bf","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":833,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-30T18:07:21.800Z","text":"就算要起诉联盟农场，也要有人去做民事起诉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a5141cab9c7cad5a2bf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qa617109f2b8549324211","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":834,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-30T18:08:18.504Z","text":"现在天天喊着诈骗的，都是转移注意力","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa617109f2b8549324211","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q74030c5ac317f08996e4","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":835,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-30T18:08:25.688Z","text":"这案子的目的是灭共","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74030c5ac317f08996e4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q33b8d1fe5246f93608e4","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":836,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-30T18:09:14.293Z","text":"楼上那些吵架的，砸锅的，挺郭的，都是来转移注意力的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33b8d1fe5246f93608e4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q77de9b48466023dde8fa","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":837,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-30T18:16:43.104Z","text":"郭说的以法灭共，现在螺丝哥只有提到了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77de9b48466023dde8fa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qccc46f8894f25e48bf0e","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":838,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-30T18:17:24.591Z","text":"其他的那些，说诈骗的，赚钱的，投资的，这个那个，都是胡说八道","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qccc46f8894f25e48bf0e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qc638d59b6c18c0adb028","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":839,"s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him***］ 你觉得你号召的事情 会有人做？ 本来我是想反对的 但你一说 我就不去了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62453475707d1b8bd6a8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q84268d5c43cd1d99bb19","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":844,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-30T18:51:29.877Z","text":"在我看来翻案摘桃帮的法律水平不如砸锅味蕾","edited":false,"reply_to":"q35e9b0d7729f7549db54","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84268d5c43cd1d99bb19","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35e9b0d7729f7549db54","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q8ab248e45fd994eadc9b","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":845,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-30T18:52:09.563Z","text":"砸锅味蕾很多法律分析是对的，挺郭的摘桃帮分析的胡说八道的多","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ab248e45fd994eadc9b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q66f172ed144e6bf96163","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":846,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-30T18:52:19.687Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 你写了强制令 你也是摘桃帮的","edited":true,"reply_to":"q84268d5c43cd1d99bb19","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66f172ed144e6bf96163","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84268d5c43cd1d99bb19","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q252f8bf476116ee9d674","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":847,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-30T18:52:30.376Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 你不想摘桃写强制令干什么","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q252f8bf476116ee9d674","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q23175b9f622df8b1c470","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":848,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-30T18:53:00.968Z","text":"你别说，砸锅的关注法律程序的，比挺郭的这些所谓的战友，要多很多","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q23175b9f622df8b1c470","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q43869029af8cf1b4bb6e","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":849,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-30T18:53:35.028Z","text":"挺郭的战友有5%的真战友吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43869029af8cf1b4bb6e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q5d008509eb4efb177e92","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":850,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-30T19:01:33.545Z","text":"https://x.com/rockpanshi/status/2094098466775458262?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d008509eb4efb177e92","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qb3118a5223e72e3fc9b8","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":851,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-30T19:01:44.743Z","text":"尤其涉及到法律需要谨慎😂","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3118a5223e72e3fc9b8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q606acac15a20ae6f8325","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":852,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-30T19:29:16.195Z","text":"转移是什么意思，又换地方？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q606acac15a20ae6f8325","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q4d969db1cdc506f403f1","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":853,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-30T19:34:32.836Z","text":"就是让你不知道他在哪里，你们没法写信给他","edited":false,"reply_to":"q606acac15a20ae6f8325","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d969db1cdc506f403f1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q606acac15a20ae6f8325","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qa3a4a50d5ce0bf1ca246","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":854,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-30T19:34:44.667Z","text":"24号的节目","edited":false,"reply_to":"q606acac15a20ae6f8325","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3a4a50d5ce0bf1ca246","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q606acac15a20ae6f8325","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q41799e52135d4be30548","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":855,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-30T19:40:34.538Z","text":"工作汇报都没看过","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa3a4a50d5ce0bf1ca246","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41799e52135d4be30548","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3a4a50d5ce0bf1ca246","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qaa8ac58771e66e80a2c0","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":856,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-30T20:36:45.635Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 你安小东破处 自己的强制令居然把别人的模版抄过来 连案件号也不改 你他妈还有脸评价谁法律水平高？ [删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":"q84268d5c43cd1d99bb19","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa8ac58771e66e80a2c0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84268d5c43cd1d99bb19","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q17164a9d10c95e728a18","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":857,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-30T21:51:15.641Z","text":"盖尔新出的这个东西是什么主张？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q436741aa00134791e235","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q17164a9d10c95e728a18","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q718862e6655f4033ed64","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":858,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-30T21:54:13.550Z","text":"最通俗地说，872就是HEX客户出来告诉Torres法官：这批被冻结的钱，不是政府和Luc两个人坐下来一分，就能决定是谁的。里面可能有我们HEX客户自己的钱，我们必须先有机会在刑事没收程序里证明。\n\n它主要主张四件事。\n\n第一，5739这个政府和Luc的和解，只能解决政府和Luc之间怎么分，不能顺手把HEX客户的产权也一起决定掉。 872说，如果第三方认为被没收的钱其实是自己的，法律规定应该走 §853(n) ancillary proceeding，不能只靠破产案里的9019和解把第三方权利盖过去。 872.pdf\n\n第二，872点名说有一大批被没收的HEX账户，里面的钱可能是客户reserve，不一定就是Guo个人的钱。 它特别列了Himalaya Reserves、Clearing、Financial这些账户，其中最大的一笔就是大约 2.72亿美元的MBI10138 reserve账户。\n\n第三，872重点抓住那笔3700万美元Lady May资金。 它说这3700万原来是从HEX体系里的HIC/HIFG流出去，后来Luc在破产案里把这笔钱追回来了，现在5739把它当“Estate Asset”。但HEX客户说：如果这3700万原本就是客户资金，那Luc后来追回来，不代表它自动变成郭的破产财产。 这笔钱原来的产权链还要查。 872.pdf\n\n第四，872要求Torres：把5739这套和解正式放到23-cr-118刑事案里，让未来的Special Master一起看。 重点查哪些钱其实是HEX客户的钱、3700万是否可追踪、破产案和解能不能影响第三方、以及最后能不能把能识别的HEX客户资金直接还给客户，而不是混进一个大池子再分。 872.pdf\n\n所以一句话概括就是：\n\n872不是在说“郭一定没罪”，也不是已经证明“这些钱一定属于HEX客户”。它是在说：政府和Luc现在分的这些钱里，可能混着HEX客户自己的钱；在客户的产权还没依法审理之前，政府和Luc不能先把这些钱定性成‘没收财产’或者‘破产财产’然后自己分掉。\n\n而且872特别保留了一个观点：就算Guo是所谓Boss，也不等于HEX客户存在reserve账户里的钱就自动变成Guo个人财产。 这正是它对“Boss = 所有钱都属于郭”这种简单推法的核心反对。 872.pdf\n\n不过要注意：872现在只是HEX客户律师的主张，不是Torres已经判他们赢了。 最后还得证明这些客户对具体账户里的钱确实有法律上的产权或constructive trust，而且能把自己的余额和具体被扣资金对应起来。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q718862e6655f4033ed64","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q319659f32ca8e22b14fa","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":859,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-30T22:20:40.717Z","text":"誰喜歡砸郭就使勁砸，\n誰喜歡挺郭就使勁挺，\n本人尊重每個人的自由意志！","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbcfd8f38a17ec338ea21","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q319659f32ca8e22b14fa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q30e9ba5acb69ab039a89","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":860,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-31T00:00:59.286Z","text":"政府和luc约定未来谁先追到算谁的也很任性，谁先追到，首先要确权，不是政府追到就是犯罪所得，luc追到就是债务人本来就有的个人财产。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q30e9ba5acb69ab039a89","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q0c15eafc6b7c118edced","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":861,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T00:01:35.647Z","text":"对的 根本没那么简单","edited":false,"reply_to":"q30e9ba5acb69ab039a89","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c15eafc6b7c118edced","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q30e9ba5acb69ab039a89","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q55a4ae5a4a84b0cdad02","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":862,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-31T00:04:04.849Z","text":"现在南区控制的和luc控制的加上它花掉的，大致为判给被告的8.89亿，政府把那1.7亿和解给luc后，然后可能又在南区来个穷尽追缴后追不到来圆这边的账。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55a4ae5a4a84b0cdad02","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q9e2c6511be60f531178f","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":863,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-31T00:34:08.986Z","text":"盖尔意思是，和解可以，但是要把钱弄到刑事案\n也就是说，承认没收是前提，承认喜交所5亿，是诈骗涉案金额\n但是，喜交所冻结的钱，要给喜交所，也就是青推广的宣誓书\n［用户 him***］ 盖尔是你爹，喜交所的余，是你爷爷","edited":true,"reply_to":"q718862e6655f4033ed64","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e2c6511be60f531178f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q718862e6655f4033ed64","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q2795bc165b941013b323","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":864,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-31T00:34:35.117Z","text":"是的，和解，是为了平帐","edited":false,"reply_to":"q55a4ae5a4a84b0cdad02","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2795bc165b941013b323","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55a4ae5a4a84b0cdad02","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q55f6fcd3a1c9d34f521c","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":865,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-31T00:42:53.824Z","text":"只要之前挺过郭的，挺过魔女这种人的，就不要谈自由意志了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q319659f32ca8e22b14fa","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55f6fcd3a1c9d34f521c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q319659f32ca8e22b14fa","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q1d098f6635b71d1c3175","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":866,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-31T00:43:11.366Z","text":"红卫兵能有自由意志？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d098f6635b71d1c3175","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q920092cc1180e9e0fe1c","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":867,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-31T00:55:25.582Z","text":"我的自由意志還要你來定義？\n🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q920092cc1180e9e0fe1c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q0280f8fdc20ad45ad1f9","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":868,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-31T00:56:18.933Z","text":"你喜歡怎麼說，那是你的觀點，\n尊重你自由表達的權利！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0280f8fdc20ad45ad1f9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q4436523fc771208c8809","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":869,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-31T01:12:01.971Z","text":"现在gclub和玛娃庄园那个公司，还有其他的一些公司，都在反对luc和检方和解","edited":false,"reply_to":"q30e9ba5acb69ab039a89","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4436523fc771208c8809","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q30e9ba5acb69ab039a89","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qe75d6af7eadbb5f4c21e","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":870,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-31T01:12:57.959Z","text":"如果这次法官判luc全赢，刑事庭那边就更难分钱了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe75d6af7eadbb5f4c21e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q6022e6915809752a1de4","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":871,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T01:15:38.385Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 法官判给luc最好 这说明资金性质有矛盾  对老郭有利 对你这样的喜国脑残不利","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6022e6915809752a1de4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qd507c6d16a2295af9310","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":872,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-31T01:17:21.004Z","text":"政府和解，需要一个合理理由，就是它认为可以合理预见，luc能够证明有大约1.7亿属于债务人本来就有的财产。这就出现另一个问题，还有1.7亿要去追，你说追不到，但从G enterprise 里的某个实体出去的下一站在哪里，你得交待。流入了8.89亿投资款，和解的结果是，你在G enterprise 里只确定7亿左右是犯罪所得，差额就是流出了G enterprise ，你没有追缴回来，那你肯定知道它下一站在哪里。这个地方，政府程序上是不是可以这么做，就不告诉钱去了哪里，然后一句穷尽追缴了事？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2795bc165b941013b323","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd507c6d16a2295af9310","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2795bc165b941013b323","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qee54f73f57fb1583b50e","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":873,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T01:19:57.685Z","text":"［用户 joh***］  你看 事情是这样的 如果曼宁判和解 那么也就是做实了这笔钱破产案有权益 是破产资金。 那么老郭律师再白痴 都会提出资金性质的抗辩 那么刑事案的剩下的钱 全都有司法冲突 没收就不可能了 ［用户 him***］  是不是啊[屏蔽词]","edited":true,"reply_to":"qd507c6d16a2295af9310","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee54f73f57fb1583b50e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd507c6d16a2295af9310","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q0f4b1abcb61c51c82d12","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":874,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-31T01:20:08.759Z","text":"如果没人反对，法官说可以和解，政府和luc怎么分就是人家自己的事情，你管得着吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd507c6d16a2295af9310","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f4b1abcb61c51c82d12","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd507c6d16a2295af9310","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qb733615af6faf00d1e32","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":875,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-31T01:20:27.288Z","text":"和你有什么关系，人家爱怎么分，怎么分","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb733615af6faf00d1e32","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q2988708016ec4182a120","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":876,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T01:20:28.493Z","text":"［用户 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还让你们都去登记债权人呢","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41360edd871678fbca64","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q4f5f5777f63dff4133aa","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":879,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-31T01:21:41.011Z","text":"你们不考虑一下她的建议？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f5f5777f63dff4133aa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q5dc6f73a74be3ce1507b","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":880,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T01:21:41.290Z","text":"检方资金池 所有钱 破产案都有权益","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5dc6f73a74be3ce1507b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qe2d46e45434a78df24bb","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":881,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T01:21:52.779Z","text":"那么用这样的钱 来量刑 程序是否违规？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe2d46e45434a78df24bb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q0bc68c99bcf9cd589e0b","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":882,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T01:22:02.316Z","text":"量刑没了 还没收个鸡吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0bc68c99bcf9cd589e0b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q96ba2d5dfb0982ded84d","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":883,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T01:22:19.232Z","text":"安小东 慌了啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q96ba2d5dfb0982ded84d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q691709a958742b6820d5","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":884,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T01:22:47.620Z","text":"所以我支持和解","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q691709a958742b6820d5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q6ed2162b47ce22dc76a6","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":885,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T01:26:31.191Z","text":"［用户 joh***］ 你看 安小东不说话了 ［用户 him***］  ［用户 reb***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ed2162b47ce22dc76a6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qcc6c1373c68f9a620df7","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":886,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T01:27:10.999Z","text":"让曼宁做实资金司法冲突 反正才1.7亿 不亏","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc6c1373c68f9a620df7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qb58b477e5dcaf8c3e029","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":887,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T01:28:55.625Z","text":"［用户 joh***］ 这就是为什么青帮拼了命的要去反luc","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb58b477e5dcaf8c3e029","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qa03a3d688d1b5ae16b6c","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":888,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T01:29:43.096Z","text":"［用户 joh***］ luc破产案一旦拿到钱 刑事案就做实了是在资金复杂混同的情况下做的金钱判决 老郭上诉律师再蠢也会打 就导致检方根本不可能没收","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa03a3d688d1b5ae16b6c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q0dc2ca270143047baaba","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":889,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T01:30:15.802Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 安小东我说的对不对呀","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0dc2ca270143047baaba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q885ceffeea57b864f564","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":890,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T01:30:28.423Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 谈谈啊","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q885ceffeea57b864f564","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q28fa01e9f921809b4e44","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":891,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T01:32:14.277Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 然后呢 你就会扯到： 布雷迪违规 案件推翻","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28fa01e9f921809b4e44","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q189cc459e80fb78ceb9b","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":892,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-31T01:39:18.982Z","text":"［用户 hel***］ 你到现在还让大家去登记债权人，真是莫名其妙","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q189cc459e80fb78ceb9b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q7ee03464d33f9504e8eb","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":893,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-31T01:39:50.711Z","text":"联盟之前就天天说，破产案和刑事案的两笔钱是矛盾的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7ee03464d33f9504e8eb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q5fc28ac1947727d77d16","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":894,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-31T01:40:27.662Z","text":"破产案和刑事案的两笔钱有个毛线冲突啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5fc28ac1947727d77d16","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qd826bc5e28323eb617a5","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":895,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-31T01:40:41.507Z","text":"这群早就分析过了，没有任何冲突","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd826bc5e28323eb617a5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qc63df052e60a23659d83","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":896,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T01:42:24.972Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 联盟说的是破产案的钱不能用来抓捕定罪 现在涉及到的是rule32","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc63df052e60a23659d83","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qfa76ec56c06b9acf29b2","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":897,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-31T01:43:27.742Z","text":"这个案子叙事是，郭骗了钱之后，用破产的手段转移财产，所以刑事案和破产案有什么冲突啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa76ec56c06b9acf29b2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q4ec5789ceaaf20c44189","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":898,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T01:44:05.006Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 定罪 抓捕 没有冲突 但是rule32就有冲突","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ec5789ceaaf20c44189","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q5a73f72842dbde42968b","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":899,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-31T01:46:28.247Z","text":"美国政府在郭案里的任性下贱，也不是一回两回。后面干脆就说，当初就是算错了，投资者资金就7亿左右。托雷斯也在判词里留了后手，就算只有3.5m，按照指南，也可以给予重刑。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5a73f72842dbde42968b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q9bfe945c3c3c5709bf72","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":900,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-31T01:47:25.384Z","text":"https://x.com/Haier918/status/1906870070912921904","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9bfe945c3c3c5709bf72","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q4a432d5afeac94af989c","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":901,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-31T01:48:00.616Z","text":"👆 这是2025年3月的动议，就已经质疑债权人登记和洗脚所登记了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a432d5afeac94af989c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qfbfdd12215012d89f84c","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":902,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-31T01:48:17.199Z","text":"［用户 hel***］ 到现在还让大家登记债权人，是想干嘛？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfbfdd12215012d89f84c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q1b8dfb26ce553c2d8d35","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":903,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T01:49:06.943Z","text":"［用户 him***］  [屏蔽词] 破防了 ［用户 hel***］  有说过让人登记债权人？","edited":true,"reply_to":"q4a432d5afeac94af989c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b8dfb26ce553c2d8d35","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a432d5afeac94af989c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q4a62f96f4bbfd731935e","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":904,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T01:50:17.282Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 怎么不说破产案刑事案冲突了？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a62f96f4bbfd731935e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q01b12a5104352f162b8c","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":905,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T01:51:05.360Z","text":"［用户 him***］ rule32白纸黑字写着： 量刑前必须解决重大纠纷。 你他妈这笔钱是破产案还是刑事案都没搞清楚 你就用来当loss 合适吗？符合rule32吗？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q01b12a5104352f162b8c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qfdaf900293a64d2c8146","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":906,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T01:52:03.985Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 一旦luc真的和解 这笔钱就是司法冲突 你一开始就不理解tony的司法冲突 你不理解这 很正常 智商有限","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfdaf900293a64d2c8146","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qf7274fb6fb4a2645e592","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":907,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-31T02:18:54.822Z","text":"破产案给债权人的钱也是损失啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5a73f72842dbde42968b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7274fb6fb4a2645e592","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5a73f72842dbde42968b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qa0943061a53e11040edd","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":908,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-31T02:19:02.795Z","text":"都是郭骗的钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0943061a53e11040edd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qd4a8940a5423a22e25ea","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":909,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-31T02:19:24.267Z","text":"谁说破产案的钱就不能算作损失了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4a8940a5423a22e25ea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q14ae1a14d1c9b8e93ebb","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":910,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T02:19:48.654Z","text":"［用户 him***］  破产案债权人是破产案的钱 在rule32的框架下 能算刑事案的损失吗 [屏蔽词] 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这就是为什么他急了","edited":true,"reply_to":"q79a4c28b747309348790","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe27d8c139d2601c10c65","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79a4c28b747309348790","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q6ea1f4021f73fbd22d9e","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":921,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T02:24:50.745Z","text":"luc一旦和解 破产案只要判给luc一分钱 那么就说明 整个g系列 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没拿走","edited":true,"reply_to":"q8274bb88d393c55259df","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8cbf922efcac29a3319","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8274bb88d393c55259df","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qd5a04c74ffd2922bb913","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":926,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-31T02:30:01.117Z","text":"人家只不过是要拿走分给杨澜马瑞这些债权人而已","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd5a04c74ffd2922bb913","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q8ad6b7fe6281e816c97a","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":927,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T02:31:32.962Z","text":"等曼宁判下 司法冲突做实 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来活了！！","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd7f4f870857eadfd46b3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qca68a6407c6d3e387e9d","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":930,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-08-31T04:25:15.671Z","text":"除了这句话，其它你说的我都懂。\n这种话太烧脑了。😝","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa03a3d688d1b5ae16b6c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca68a6407c6d3e387e9d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa03a3d688d1b5ae16b6c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q2d2bf09a2c4c68615f32","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":931,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T04:48:35.146Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 法盲 rule32搞懂了没 [屏蔽词]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d2bf09a2c4c68615f32","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q6fd60ab76a2632e4391d","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":932,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-31T05:00:20.294Z","text":"gclub 郭美 郭强的公司，去破产案，是因为破产案的alter 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Guidelines）所計算出的建議刑期範圍。💥💥\n\n💥💥審閱與質疑：控辯雙方律師必須在宣判前至少 35天 收到這份報告，並有權對報告中的任何事實錯誤或量刑計算提出書面異議（Objections）。💥💥\n\n2. 宣判時的「陳述權」（Right of Allocution）Rule 32 嚴格保護了被告人和受害人在法庭上的發言權利，在法官正式做出判決前，必須進行以下程序：\n\n被告人的最後陳述：法官必須親自詢問被告人，是否想要發表聲明或提供任何有助於減輕刑罰的資訊 [3]。\n\n💥如果法官漏掉了這個提問，判決可能會在日後被上訴法院推翻。💥\n\n檢察官的發言：控方律師闡述對量刑的建議。\n\n受害人陳述（Victim Statement）：如果涉及暴力或特定欺詐犯罪，犯罪受害人有權在法庭上發言，講述犯罪對其生活造成的打擊。\n\n3. 法官的判決與告知義務宣判刑期：法官在聽取各方陳述並解決對 PSR 報告的異議後，正式宣讀刑期。告知上訴權利：判決後，法官必須告知被告人其擁有上訴（Appeal）的權利，以及如何以貧困身份申請法庭指派免費的上訴律師（若適用）。\n\n4. 判決書的製作（Judgment）法庭必須迅速製作一份正式的判決書。判決書中必須明確記錄：被告人的認罪情況或陪審團的裁決結果。法庭的裁決與具體刑期（如監禁年限、罰金、沒收資產、出獄後的監督假釋期等）。法官的簽名。\n\n判決書一經法官簽署並由書記官登記，判決即正式生效。\n\n💥💡 為什麼這條規則重要？在美國刑事訴訟中，大約 90% 以上的案件最終都是以被告人「認罪協商（Plea Bargain）」結案，很少真正走到陪審團審判。💥\n\n💥💥因此，Rule 32 所規範的「量刑程序」，往往才是絕大多數刑事案件中，控辯雙方真正正面交鋒、決定被告人命運的最終戰場。💥💥","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7cc56262cdc3e6f427c2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q3b159ac8b5972edbd19a","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":936,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-31T05:14:09.869Z","text":"她 ［用户 him***］ 看不懂，就只知道刑事案，853n\n绕到最后，就是政府没收","edited":true,"reply_to":"qe27d8c139d2601c10c65","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b159ac8b5972edbd19a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe27d8c139d2601c10c65","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q7b4a9d7cb4f708b174f2","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":937,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-31T05:17:02.763Z","text":"有些人，可能都没有把可没收财产，没收清单财产分清楚。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b4a9d7cb4f708b174f2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q9e7696ac5510e985e906","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":938,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-31T05:23:01.188Z","text":"858是法官已经判了要没收郭8.89亿，859，政府还在继续主张，因为G enterprise 犯罪行为，要没收13亿，然后859里，没收清单在720的基础上加了几个银行账户的钱，没收清单里，是政府已经控制的部分，民事附属程序扯皮的就是这部分，当然也可以反对把自己的财产划为犯罪所得列为可没收财产并给予被告金钱判决，为最终没收令后的上诉留记录。没收清单里的财产跟政府要没收郭8.89亿财产，是两回事。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e7696ac5510e985e906","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q440b04435c9a6a1377eb","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":939,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2026-08-31T05:23:01.399Z","text":"在郭先生的这个刑事案件中，大都数的自诉人都有触碰到一些法律的问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q440b04435c9a6a1377eb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qd43ca91018905e6b9f84","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":940,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2026-08-31T05:23:46.621Z","text":"[屏蔽词]，你们这些操妈的[屏蔽词]，知道什么是自诉吗？","edited":true,"reply_to":"q818379af663e2cd2432a","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd43ca91018905e6b9f84","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q3c306c7d30a60a03a006","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":941,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2026-08-31T05:25:26.037Z","text":"辛普森案子告诉世人，美国的司法程序正义是第一位","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c306c7d30a60a03a006","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q2e97ac56ff395859985e","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":942,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2026-08-31T05:27:58.510Z","text":"你们很多是基于合理的怀疑，但是你们将你们合理的怀疑和实体正义凌驾驭程序正义上，你们终究会进入司法陷井里面","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e97ac56ff395859985e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qad5ab42d987bdd40bed6","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":943,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-31T05:29:03.712Z","text":"luc想把破产案他追的1.7亿，据为己有\n政府也就直接同意\n不影响政府在刑事案，继续判决郭承担8.9亿\n然后luc不在刑事案继续出现，就是金蝉脱壳，跳过没收后走第三方程序","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9e7696ac5510e985e906","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad5ab42d987bdd40bed6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e7696ac5510e985e906","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qc3271c2590e13c9e58ca","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":944,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-31T05:32:49.861Z","text":"所以这里的问题是，程序上是否允许政府一句穷尽追缴了事？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qad5ab42d987bdd40bed6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3271c2590e13c9e58ca","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad5ab42d987bdd40bed6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q9e6538334f59ccb44560","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":945,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-31T05:35:48.511Z","text":"问题是，luc追的钱，还有gclub郭美郭强公司的，alter ego还没有判，资产归属还不明，就被政府和luc分，这不就是rule32 ［用户 kir***］\n这部分不明归属的资金，和psr里的量刑，是关联的","edited":true,"reply_to":"qc3271c2590e13c9e58ca","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e6538334f59ccb44560","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3271c2590e13c9e58ca","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q35d195fc3ddab604b124","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":946,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-31T05:39:04.215Z","text":"最开始不就是因为债权人登记才导致的刑事案吗？债权人涉及的就是G系列投资，破产案和刑事案争得不就是同一笔钱吗？你说的资金混同检方不能没收是如果luc拿到钱检方就拿不到的意思吗？但钱还是被拿走了啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa03a3d688d1b5ae16b6c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35d195fc3ddab604b124","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa03a3d688d1b5ae16b6c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qbcd7d9e45b667aed6982","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":947,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-31T05:41:30.058Z","text":"托雷斯说的是投资款8.89亿为犯罪所得，之前用流入即犯罪所得是我们假设了只有投资者资金流入，luc的逻辑是，不管是它控制的和花掉的，还是南区已经控制的，只要是被告破产以后的流入，都有可能属于破产财产，也就是债务人本来就有的财产，然后才有所谓和解。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9e6538334f59ccb44560","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbcd7d9e45b667aed6982","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e6538334f59ccb44560","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qb2c8ece94449a9d43a2d","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":948,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-08-31T05:42:42.180Z","text":"這份PSR報告是否在量刑前35天出來？對被告的身體健康報告有嗎？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q223a90d2f0c217cd36f5","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2c8ece94449a9d43a2d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qc9f70048850d95993f78","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":949,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-31T05:43:43.975Z","text":"所以和解后，政府要么承认之前的投资款流入都没有算对，要么就说已经穷尽追缴，还有1.7亿没追回来。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbcd7d9e45b667aed6982","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9f70048850d95993f78","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbcd7d9e45b667aed6982","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q8c138ec88ffdb64144c3","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":950,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-31T05:46:18.411Z","text":"但如果除掉gtv外，流入总额就只有8.89亿，政府又通过和解造成了8.89亿里面，有1.7亿属于郭本来就有的财产这样一个法律事实，那就只能是，之前就算错了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c138ec88ffdb64144c3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q7103d9e03f7020a8795e","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":951,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-31T05:49:26.167Z","text":"这样玩儿，luc意思就是，本来破产案要追所有G系列，但是现在和刑事案和解，只要这1.7亿","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbcd7d9e45b667aed6982","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7103d9e03f7020a8795e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbcd7d9e45b667aed6982","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q32c1d5e50c32ead0d186","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":952,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-31T05:52:13.336Z","text":"然后刑事案政府如果和解，就只能承认，计算错误，还得8.9扣1.7🤣\n这部分luc都已经追到了，psr里是不是该减掉","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8c138ec88ffdb64144c3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q32c1d5e50c32ead0d186","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c138ec88ffdb64144c3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qcd15336aea0c2e3eb8d9","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":953,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T05:52:46.419Z","text":"［用户 joh***］ 对！！！ 你抓到了重点","edited":true,"reply_to":"q9e6538334f59ccb44560","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd15336aea0c2e3eb8d9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e6538334f59ccb44560","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q5ab4e20d3cedbd6e2fcc","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":954,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T05:54:20.527Z","text":"［用户 ntp***］ 如果luc真因为曼宁的order  而拿走了gclub 那么问题就来了 破产案和刑事案的争议是一直存在的 你托雷斯有没有执行这笔钱的裁量权 有没有审查这笔钱在破产案刑事案交错的 背景下能不能被没收一旦老郭律师上诉打这个点 打个几年 检方基本上就几年不能没收 因为检方就算硬冲 他们也不知道哪天二巡就下令撤销没收 他们就打脸打成胖子了","edited":true,"reply_to":"q35d195fc3ddab604b124","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ab4e20d3cedbd6e2fcc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35d195fc3ddab604b124","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qb60508dab8506887ef03","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":955,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-31T05:54:47.300Z","text":"如果争的是同一笔，那么如果要和解，刑事案对郭的8.9亿判定，还要减去luc的1.7亿","edited":false,"reply_to":"q35d195fc3ddab604b124","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb60508dab8506887ef03","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35d195fc3ddab604b124","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q637981fecea7352b367d","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":956,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-31T05:58:30.217Z","text":"刑事案，gclub郭美郭强，是没办法发声，因为不是当事人。刑事案要没收涉案的投资资金，投资人当然可以反对。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5ab4e20d3cedbd6e2fcc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q637981fecea7352b367d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ab4e20d3cedbd6e2fcc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q3753c81275a3fc0d87ab","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":957,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-31T05:59:03.161Z","text":"破产案，这些是可以发声的，类似刑事案里的第三方。破产案里郭的个人trustee，去追alter ego的钱，别人公司当然可以反对","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3753c81275a3fc0d87ab","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qfa3c5c2194911cc7c4f1","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":958,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T06:03:13.956Z","text":"luc赢才赢了一个多亿 你们怕鸡吧啊 哈哈哈哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa3c5c2194911cc7c4f1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qa3f4c42908d9781447c2","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":959,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-31T06:04:11.072Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 怕的是，luc目前追的1.7亿，大部分是法治基金给300骨干的汇款","edited":true,"reply_to":"qfa3c5c2194911cc7c4f1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3f4c42908d9781447c2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa3c5c2194911cc7c4f1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qcec5644fbf6e6dc184a7","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":960,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-31T06:05:17.046Z","text":"一和解，luc不再去刑事案追G系列","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcec5644fbf6e6dc184a7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qdc089f29bc593394d302","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":961,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-31T06:05:55.381Z","text":"也就是说，破产案luc追法治基金300骨干的钱，再拿给破产案的登记债权人，还是300骨干\n300骨干，折腾了个寂寞","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc089f29bc593394d302","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qa61c36ea0b8acda00aa3","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":962,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T06:07:24.122Z","text":"［用户 joh***］  本来他们还想着拿不属于自己的钱？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa61c36ea0b8acda00aa3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"q6e1bf4207730d85c6b5f","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":963,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-31T06:24:43.332Z","text":"［用户 joh***］  [删节：成员身份][屏蔽词]说 你是我小号？","edited":true,"reply_to":"qf57f94270c2310a45fdc","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e1bf4207730d85c6b5f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qed7d42a3bb8cfe7f8d9e","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":964,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-31T06:29:56.186Z","text":"这不就是 典型的既要又要嘛\n［用户 him***］ 安小东，怕是在西班牙农场，拿了不少脏钱，舍不得吐出来","edited":true,"reply_to":"qa61c36ea0b8acda00aa3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed7d42a3bb8cfe7f8d9e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa61c36ea0b8acda00aa3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000154"},{"id":"qd4bfb3fd7f07003fb48b","batch_id":"batch-000154","seq":965,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-31T06:32:35.138Z","text":"luc目前控制1.7亿，因为gclub郭美郭强，相关的alter 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