{"id":"batch-000155","number":155,"revision":3,"date_start":"2026-08-31T07:35:00.847Z","date_end":"2026-09-03T15:10:18.865Z","total_messages":1016,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 155 (Aug 31, 2026 – Sep 3, 2026), 1,016 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. From August 31 to September 3, 2026, discussion focused on whether settlement and forfeiture can be separated from bankruptcy handling, whether venue/procedure across Southern District, bankruptcy, and criminal tracks was proper, and how MOS, gclub, and farm funds were attributed. Participants disputed who should be prosecuted and whether losses were 1.5 billion, 1.1 billion, 900 million, or 1.4 billion. Rule 32(i)(3)(B), §2B1.1, Gall v. United States, Rita v. United States, and filing 733 were cited. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"Whether settlement and forfeiture are separable: handling criminal and bankruptcy matters independently","description":"Participants argued that settlement could proceed without alter-ego conclusions and without merging criminal and bankruptcy litigation, while others contended that money tracing must be clarified before any agreement is credible, so the forum boundaries and factual prerequisites remain disputed. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qb81b6f2a44921f221227","q4f004a67c02ba4ecda74","qd9014c3511d3d33a4f30"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qb81b6f2a44921f221227","summary_en":"One participant claimed settlement should not depend on proving alter-ego status; the community statements frame this as a negotiation simplification argument. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q4f004a67c02ba4ecda74","summary_en":"A participant stated that the bankruptcy matter no longer wants to engage with the criminal case, presenting a push to separate the tracks. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qd9014c3511d3d33a4f30","summary_en":"Another participant said that if government and luc settle, they still should still verify where the money went first. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Procedural boundary disputes: repeated questioning over the Southern District freeze, bankruptcy court, criminal court, and official-level information","description":"Participants argued over which court should control assets and process, including venue, summons, and asset freeze questions, while others contested whether case-management moves were legitimate or merely opaque. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q2c93ee155ce7a3d77b42","q85a6dc338ca5f35c795d","q89eee9a7f97065ed4c7e"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q2c93ee155ce7a3d77b42","summary_en":"One participant asked whether government-frozen MOS funds were sitting in bankruptcy court or criminal court, highlighting uncertainty over forum control. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q85a6dc338ca5f35c795d","summary_en":"A participant contended that the money may still be with the defendant, already spent, or converted into other assets, and questioned whether luc had actually recovered it. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q89eee9a7f97065ed4c7e","summary_en":"Another participant asked whether Gael was filed in Southern District or shifted to bankruptcy court, underscoring forum ambiguity. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Prosecution scope and procedural fairness questioned: why some co-actors were not pursued and whether evidence disclosure was constrained","description":"Participants disputed whether prosecutors selectively charged actors and whether evidentiary materials were accessible, with some arguing for broader accountability and others emphasizing prosecutorial charging discretion and process limits. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q854079f02b861a97fa1e","q18c9ccaaeb928a0e00fc","q3b455748aed01f854156"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q854079f02b861a97fa1e","summary_en":"One user claimed co-conspirators were not charged, key transfer amounts were hidden, and unbooked money was treated as private fraud by farm operators. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q18c9ccaaeb928a0e00fc","summary_en":"Another user argued prosecutors have full charging discretion and can choose whom to charge, using that to dismiss expectations of automatic prison outcomes. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q3b455748aed01f854156","summary_en":"A participant argued the court had not approved filing 733 and higher authorities may also decline complaints, so unresolved procedural gaps remain and more materials are needed. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Liability chain and entities: whether MOS, gclub, ACA are independent and how funds are attributed","description":"Some participants contended MOS and related entities were separate operational units resisting alter-ego framing, while others argued that this independence claim is being used to shield centralized control and responsibility. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q2368645e35c8eb5a899c","qf1d5e4df274197ab6a56","q99acec27cc0fe81cbcf1"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q2368645e35c8eb5a899c","summary_en":"One participant said MOS and gclub opposed the government-Luc settlement and described MOS as farm-facing representatives, arguing the alter-ego thesis overstates a central command structure. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf1d5e4df274197ab6a56","summary_en":"Another argued that if MOS asserted independence in bankruptcy, claims that it followed Guo lose force, including a contested recollection about deletion instructions. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q99acec27cc0fe81cbcf1","summary_en":"A participant dismissed extending intermediary fraud to Guo-family alter-ego liability, saying broker-level misconduct should stay with brokers. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Conflicting asset figures: 1.5 billion, 1.1 billion, 900 million to 1.4 billion totals coexist","description":"Participants disputed competing accountings of fund flows and argued over whether tracing records actually supported the reported totals, showing a contested financial baseline rather than agreed metrics. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qf657cf59a86a2703a733","q1a2513efd04bac2a3722","qa250e69b930e4ca79aed"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf657cf59a86a2703a733","summary_en":"One user claimed no clear records showed other-farm money entering listed G Enterprise entities via S3. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1a2513efd04bac2a3722","summary_en":"Another cited a filing stating investor remittances to maywind were around 90 million, presenting it as a rough estimate rather than speculation. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qa250e69b930e4ca79aed","summary_en":"A participant argued that if luc withdrew from the criminal case, the prosecution’s earlier ‘thousands of victims’ claim and forfeiture basis would collapse toward a much smaller witness set. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Settlement position caused factional alignment, with some opposing settlement while others tracked opposing dynamics","description":"Participants disputed whether settlement support or resistance was principled, with some rejecting agreement and others monitoring rival reactions as indicators of strategic positioning in ongoing conflict. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q6717aa85d4fbdd43cba9","qcc29654a94c47ceecb6b","q7c0f80e967c49c68c13d"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q6717aa85d4fbdd43cba9","summary_en":"One participant stated that Gael opposed settlement, treating the stance itself as meaningful leverage. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qcc29654a94c47ceecb6b","summary_en":"Another participant characterized Ryan as having ‘won too much,’ reinforcing a side-taking interpretation of outcomes. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q7c0f80e967c49c68c13d","summary_en":"Another user argued that one side’s own money may be unrecoverable, framing settlement rejection as financially strategic. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Expansion of the co-operator/stooge narrative: meetings, rotating voices, and shielding relationships were repeatedly targeted","description":"Some participants argued that coordinated posting patterns signaled concerted shielding, while another participant challenged the inference and demanded concrete evidence, making this a contested conspiracy narrative rather than established fact. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qf616827c46f62578bc8a","q687b052c22214c716d12"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf616827c46f62578bc8a","summary_en":"One participant claimed repeated, rotating participants were using coordinated fronting and shared narratives to conceal information and act as a single bloc. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q687b052c22214c716d12","summary_en":"Another participant asked for specific information before accepting that coordination claim. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Evidence and distribution-chain disputes: whether posts/videos are misleading and whether post/account origins can be verified","description":"Participants argued that dissemination patterns may mislead viewers, with claims of repetitive posting and uncertainty over source verification, while others sought procedural clarity on source documents. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q9b609ee7e01dbbdc8810","qeb424d46b45b03857caf","q9ffb22b83a01dd35e59d"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q9b609ee7e01dbbdc8810","summary_en":"One user complained that a figure had started broadcasting religious-style messaging, suggesting information-shaping behavior. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qeb424d46b45b03857caf","summary_en":"The same user added that it continued for a full day, implying sustained repetitive influence operations. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q9ffb22b83a01dd35e59d","summary_en":"Another participant asked what document 872 was, reflecting uncertainty about cited evidence provenance. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Figure-fragmentation of public image: Ryan, Gail, and others split into opposing labels among followers and skeptics","description":"Participants disputed how to evaluate key figures’ credibility, with one side minimizing status and competence, another challenging that framing, and third-party doubt framed as a direct reliability test. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q5451e431d30a21659822","q31fa5800a6d588b38265","q009c7b1dcffab1419572"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q5451e431d30a21659822","summary_en":"One participant claimed Ryan is an industry novice rather than a notable public figure. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q31fa5800a6d588b38265","summary_en":"Another retorted that celebrities are not scarce, disputing the implied status-based attack. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q009c7b1dcffab1419572","summary_en":"A further participant questioned whether Ryan’s statements were trustworthy, adding direct credibility skepticism. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Litigation strategy split: self-prosecution scope, second-pass review, and vacate-all feasibility were debated","description":"Participants argued over strategy, including whether self-prosecution applies, whether vacatur standards are met, and whether sentencing challenges should focus on preserved factual objections or broader discretion review. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q8fb2b4831f9304066d5b","q6d458a04bc17546d2154","q73f3e79a526be01d8588"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q8fb2b4831f9304066d5b","summary_en":"One participant asked whether self-prosecution was currently on the table. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q6d458a04bc17546d2154","summary_en":"Another user reiterated ‘vacate sentence vacate all,’ signaling a push for broad sentencing vacatur relief. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q73f3e79a526be01d8588","summary_en":"A participant provided a legal framework arguing distinction between abuse-of-discretion and procedural findings, pointing to Rule 32(i)(3)(B), Gall, and Rita standards for preserving objections and showing material impact. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Recovery and refund expectations split: whether to continue litigation or seek return claims through SEC and funds","description":"Participants disputed practical recovery prospects, with some insisting funds are gone or unrecoverable and others sharing claims of successful refunds and next-step guidance, while also framing the debate as litigation worth continuing versus ending for compensation. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q2a54b962b53eb0d0d0b0","q1dd4c83980515655c002","qf999a08d3809679f7566"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q2a54b962b53eb0d0d0b0","summary_en":"One participant asserted that people’s money was already gone, challenging the value of further enforcement. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1dd4c83980515655c002","summary_en":"Another reported filing a form without receiving email confirmation or refund, saying the cause of nonpayment was unclear. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qf999a08d3809679f7566","summary_en":"A different participant claimed they received a refund and advised contacting the fairness fund directly. Community statements, not court findings."}]}],"summary":"讨论核心可归为三线：其一是和解与没收边界，是否能将刑事与破产程序切割，以及和解是否会预设“先清理再追责”。其二是程序争议，围绕南区、破产庭、刑事庭的管辖，送达与传票、证据材料是否可核验、是否应申请回避等反复交锋，既有“可控结果”叙事，也有对程序越界和不透明的怀疑。其三是资金追索，围绕MOS、gclub、农场、喜交所等资金去向与主体归责争吵不断，出现1.5亿、900万、14亿等不同口径，追赃路径与能否退回并未统一。与此同时，“同伙/双簧”“见面串通”“道德立场”与政治派系叙事持续放大，使讨论在法律论证与情绪化指控之间频繁切换。后段焦点转向诉讼策略：自诉是否适用、二巡与vacate能否改变进程、以及“继续打官司是否值得”成为主要分歧。","guide":[{"title":"和解与财产没收是否切割：刑事案、破产案是否分开处理","message_ids":["qb81b6f2a44921f221227","q4f004a67c02ba4ecda74","qd9014c3511d3d33a4f30"]},{"title":"程序边界争议：南区冻结、破产庭、刑事庭及主事官信息反复被追问","message_ids":["q2c93ee155ce7a3d77b42","q85a6dc338ca5f35c795d","q89eee9a7f97065ed4c7e"]},{"title":"起诉范围与程序公平被质疑：为何未追查部分共犯、是否证据公开受限","message_ids":["q854079f02b861a97fa1e","q18c9ccaaeb928a0e00fc","q3b455748aed01f854156"]},{"title":"资金主体与追责链：MOS、gclub、ACA是否独立，alter 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爱过就爱过","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa0be7841ffaf6785fe73","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q581cde2790459d001ec4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0be7841ffaf6785fe73","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q2732f291010b6c0f756b","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":806,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-09-02T15:48:09.097Z","text":"郭都被判30年了，不要惶惶不可终日了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2732f291010b6c0f756b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qedf13bae0d5251eec250","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":807,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-09-02T15:53:40.360Z","text":"郭都被判30年了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc345d3afec8d47570375","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qedf13bae0d5251eec250","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q0922d9f7ea48f1854e9c","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":808,"speaker":"mon***","date":"2026-09-02T15:56:44.811Z","text":"三十年判少了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qedf13bae0d5251eec250","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0922d9f7ea48f1854e9c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qedf13bae0d5251eec250","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q3966dc10368874070dfb","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":809,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-09-02T16:19:08.623Z","text":"这个夏说投资者汇给MAYWIND 9000万是哪一个案号？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1a2513efd04bac2a3722","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3966dc10368874070dfb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a2513efd04bac2a3722","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qd0e4ad274ef085575646","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":810,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-09-02T16:24:47.466Z","text":"你可以申请把喜交所投资先还给你，因为喜交所是非法没收，但是可能还没等还给到你，LUC马上就会介入要过去","edited":false,"reply_to":"q54f98c22230d34ddd0d1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd0e4ad274ef085575646","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54f98c22230d34ddd0d1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qf950165459556b9ae528","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":811,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-09-02T16:49:29.333Z","text":"直投香草山的给了一年利息，凤凰转香草山的没有","edited":false,"reply_to":"q291aab27993fa0396c53","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf950165459556b9ae528","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q291aab27993fa0396c53","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q2c072a61f7dae0abce33","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":812,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-02T17:07:59.468Z","text":"郭坐30年会忏悔吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c072a61f7dae0abce33","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qb9425c0f9e8144fb2f88","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":813,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-09-02T17:16:14.036Z","text":"辩方的804文件指明还有1个亿在多个农场主和海曼基金那里，检方却不予没收追查资金也不予起诉，只是反反复复地渲染被告对海曼基金投资了1亿，这个可以作为投诉检方的一个点吗\n可以，但要非常注意你把它定性为什么。单纯的“检方没有追查/没收那1亿美元”本身，通常不是检察官 misconduct；检察机关拥有相当大的起诉和没收裁量权。\n但是，如果你说的事实确实能够由 804 文件 + 庭审记录 + 检方自己的陈述/没收主张证明，那么它可以成为一个相当值得调查的 OPR complaint point，尤其是把重点从“为什么不起诉别人”转到：\n检方是否明知存在与其核心叙事相矛盾的资金去向，却选择性地不调查、不追踪、不披露，同时反复利用同一笔资金作为证明被告犯罪所得/控制能力的证据。\n这两个问题的性质完全不同。                                                      如果政府进一步把它渲染成：\n\n被告取得了这1亿美元；\n被告控制这1亿美元；\n这1亿美元属于被告的犯罪所得；\n这1亿美元因此支持 fraud / money laundering / forfeiture；\n而 804 文件已经明确指出资金实际仍由多个独立农场主及 Hayman Fund 持有/控制，那么问题就严重得多。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9425c0f9e8144fb2f88","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q938bb6a9c550cb62d649","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":814,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-09-02T19:26:20.181Z","text":"螺丝哥是不是还被关押……","edited":false,"reply_to":"q967bd403812cfeacfec3","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q938bb6a9c550cb62d649","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q9d853514be0bf9883352","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":815,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-02T19:38:24.855Z","text":"你的精神领袖判了30年 精神元老螺丝哥被拘留了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7cc37d1c3b00004190e1","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d853514be0bf9883352","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qf6ced5b01ec3fad4867e","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":816,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-09-02T21:08:15.001Z","text":"喜国人在联盟群，这里是投资人自诉，主要是用推翻郭案策略拿回投资，避免被联盟的虚假债权人瓜分和查帐查联盟私下吞投资者的钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9543befbb75fbda8e791","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6ced5b01ec3fad4867e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q8377fe114ddc21c7e87d","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":817,"speaker":"0x_***","date":"2026-09-02T21:24:51.566Z","text":"900万 不是9千万 。https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/60331837","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3966dc10368874070dfb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8377fe114ddc21c7e87d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3966dc10368874070dfb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q12c40fc87504e1d23714","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":818,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-02T21:37:38.502Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]  你们天天就盯着什么这些钱是谁转的谁偷的  有没有进郭口袋。这些东西你以为律师没打过？ 在正面战场的话题上 你们以为你们比郭律师还牛逼？那个[屏蔽词]丽娜，是整个曼哈顿都出名的律师，尤其是在庭审的crossing 她在这个环节是很厉害的。 你们真想打这些，就你妈给我去法学院从大一开始念 [屏蔽词]一样的东西","edited":true,"reply_to":"qb9425c0f9e8144fb2f88","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12c40fc87504e1d23714","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9425c0f9e8144fb2f88","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qe88dc7a0cde3c7a98af6","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":819,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-02T21:51:11.876Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]  你们不要以为螺丝哥 瑞恩把法官 检方打成这样 就以为南区真的是[屏蔽词]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe88dc7a0cde3c7a98af6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q85649caf3453bc266a48","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":820,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-02T21:51:34.704Z","text":"［用户 spr***］ 他们只是在瑞恩 螺丝哥面前是[屏蔽词] 不代表南区在你们面前也是[屏蔽词] 你真的想得太多了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85649caf3453bc266a48","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q96d4004169d8b2dac5a6","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":821,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-09-02T22:05:25.124Z","text":"900万就是伊利诺伊州的案子，可是 ［用户 reb***］ 说另外 有个9千万","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q96d4004169d8b2dac5a6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qde41595510ebc8e36b14","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":822,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-02T22:12:09.190Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge3/status/2095273565671354799?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde41595510ebc8e36b14","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q1190b0b9f672f2a810fe","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":823,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-02T22:54:19.463Z","text":"https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/60331837/mountains-of-spices-llc-v-lafrenz/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3966dc10368874070dfb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1190b0b9f672f2a810fe","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3966dc10368874070dfb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q0a66adba29798efeb4f2","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":824,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-02T23:03:42.338Z","text":"Gclub 这个事，应该是luc打替代自我诉讼的入口。gclub 收的会员费，属于商业收益，归gclub 公司所有，gclub 的受益人何浩然以及实际控制者那家郭强作为委托人的荷兰基金，就是所有者，luc在康州的主张是，儿子女儿的就是爹的，所以gclub 是债务人的替代自我，后面gclub 的款转到了于建明控制的汉密尔顿，hex系列，于再转钱到ACA Capital,然后于建明控制的那些实体也才被替代自我诉讼。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a66adba29798efeb4f2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qe73c9ca67c10b4b7e44f","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":825,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-02T23:05:33.790Z","text":"所以luc在gclub的这个叙事跟南区这边gclub 是诈骗，是冲突的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe73c9ca67c10b4b7e44f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qf00f9209830bfa1e7e03","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":826,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-09-02T23:23:36.710Z","text":"这不就是亚利桑那的，提到库克县起诉900万拿回463，这个案子是判的，为什么那么多人说和解了？另外2个案子也是判的支持了香草山，只是钱没有拿回来那么多不知道怎么回事，网上也查不到案卷","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1190b0b9f672f2a810fe","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf00f9209830bfa1e7e03","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1190b0b9f672f2a810fe","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q5327a585b89732621ab5","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":827,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-09-02T23:26:48.923Z","text":"463是凤凰转香草山的，350是香草山直接汇给mindway的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5327a585b89732621ab5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q5f95e89cde47aeb8447c","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":828,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-02T23:27:12.202Z","text":"和解的意思是，组织上出面让它们和解，说这个事情别演过头了，魏丽红同志给夏其东同志800万，这个事情就不要再提了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf00f9209830bfa1e7e03","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f95e89cde47aeb8447c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf00f9209830bfa1e7e03","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q141f891d291c31d711cd","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":829,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-02T23:27:16.930Z","text":"你看 这就是[删节：隐私信息] 安小东这个[屏蔽词]妇要掩盖的","edited":true,"reply_to":"qe73c9ca67c10b4b7e44f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q141f891d291c31d711cd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe73c9ca67c10b4b7e44f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q4298c563ae53785bf056","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":830,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-09-02T23:29:54.347Z","text":"你说9000万在第几号卷宗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4298c563ae53785bf056","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q4a15d5951dd5c9fbcfb4","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":831,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-02T23:30:07.958Z","text":"luc作为政府任命的受托人，如果你认为收会员费本身都不合法，那你应该举报给政府就行了。不是去主张什么替代自我。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6a23ccd0d20e7512c8de","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a15d5951dd5c9fbcfb4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qbf78a558cdebddb31db1","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":832,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-02T23:31:05.816Z","text":"大概在150后面的几个，主要看156,157。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4298c563ae53785bf056","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf78a558cdebddb31db1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4298c563ae53785bf056","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qc880a9f9726b4fa19e31","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":833,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-02T23:31:42.911Z","text":"这就是刑事案破产案资金性质冲突 这个在定罪抓捕还说得过去 在量刑rule32下就没那么容易糊弄过去了 [屏蔽词]安小东 [删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":"q4a15d5951dd5c9fbcfb4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc880a9f9726b4fa19e31","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a15d5951dd5c9fbcfb4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q9a2f76092242032c5565","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":834,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-02T23:33:08.787Z","text":"［用户 reb***］ 同理，tony的主权 身份冲突也是一个道理","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9a2f76092242032c5565","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qbc0843b63af229a41d5c","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":835,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-02T23:40:50.254Z","text":"这个地方，南区应该回应一下，谈一下司法主权问题，你中国的司法程序结果是说这些资金投资于危害国家安全的政治运动，但美国的司法程序结果是这些钱是被骗的诈骗款。说美国的司法主权不需要为任何势力让步。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9a2f76092242032c5565","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc0843b63af229a41d5c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9a2f76092242032c5565","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q6f0d2e4ca65ce74769fd","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":836,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-09-02T23:41:04.845Z","text":"这个463的要钱案件很简单，5月8日起诉，7月10日缺席判决，早知这样，当初就该自己起诉，也不用转给什么香草山了，都是后知后觉","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f0d2e4ca65ce74769fd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q3d89273be872e7000e1c","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":837,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-02T23:41:39.562Z","text":"对的 你说到点子上 托雷斯好歹也认定一下 说一句： 中国司法我们不看。 那就行了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbc0843b63af229a41d5c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d89273be872e7000e1c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc0843b63af229a41d5c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qa91d03a5903a4709cb15","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":838,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-02T23:42:18.315Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 为什么她死都不敢碰 ？ 因为她知道这里面水多深 绝对碰不得 一碰 整个案子都崩 托雷斯根本没裁量权","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa91d03a5903a4709cb15","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q153216f368c1a5839227","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":839,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-02T23:43:22.066Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 托雷斯 也真的没办法。 因为tony是以cvra上传的，如果托雷斯理了tony 就必须理别的好几百人。 不然就是选择性回复","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q153216f368c1a5839227","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q8065a41c84acaac9f705","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":840,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-02T23:43:41.128Z","text":"所以 托雷斯自己把自己的路彻底堵死了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8065a41c84acaac9f705","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qff393ae35bd0e4f15688","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":841,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-02T23:45:01.208Z","text":"有没有跟ai讨论过这个司法主权问题，司法主权问题是谁遇到谁管，还是说归国会，政府，法院中的某一方？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa91d03a5903a4709cb15","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff393ae35bd0e4f15688","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa91d03a5903a4709cb15","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q648cb7daea39d97b8866","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":842,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-02T23:47:12.867Z","text":"这个事情很复杂。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qff393ae35bd0e4f15688","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q648cb7daea39d97b8866","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff393ae35bd0e4f15688","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qd65e7fed66ab1eea45ad","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":843,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-02T23:47:46.176Z","text":"但最基本的一点： 你什么都不干，把这个事情压下来，直接冲量刑，这是典型滥用司法权。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qff393ae35bd0e4f15688","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd65e7fed66ab1eea45ad","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff393ae35bd0e4f15688","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qb8bcf394f6cef9131818","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":844,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-02T23:48:50.268Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 就因为这个事情极度复杂，如果一旦扯起来 她案子就没法审了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8bcf394f6cef9131818","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q8fdf98d104816f76150e","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":845,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-02T23:50:10.379Z","text":"但虽然复杂，你什么都不干就量刑，这就是滥用裁量权","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8fdf98d104816f76150e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qb114d4964e6ca1562711","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":846,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-09-02T23:59:20.054Z","text":"对账单显示，Maywind 在 2020 年 8 月向 ACA 汇去了 600 万美元，2020 年 10 月汇去了 700 万美元                          156是sara回复，157是法官结案，都没有说到什么9000万","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbf78a558cdebddb31db1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb114d4964e6ca1562711","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf78a558cdebddb31db1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qc343993ab9e67ec99aa4","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":847,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-09-03T00:02:16.819Z","text":"你说郭家族资金自己填了GTV投海曼亏的3000万，这个是在哪个文件？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qff393ae35bd0e4f15688","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc343993ab9e67ec99aa4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff393ae35bd0e4f15688","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qb19cc68608bd5e63537e","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":848,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-03T00:02:37.200Z","text":"南通的吧，携程大楼在南通","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb19cc68608bd5e63537e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qa1ce9c273e07c7407ec9","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":849,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-03T00:03:32.506Z","text":"没有，我已经说过，但你没有看到：除了郭，没有谁会去填坑，让sec可以扣掉保管费后全额退款。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc343993ab9e67ec99aa4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1ce9c273e07c7407ec9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc343993ab9e67ec99aa4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q35ff5397cca407d944ea","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":850,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-03T00:03:39.462Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 喜国人真的脑子有坑 你就算把这些资金流向倒背如流 又能如何？你都打了撤销量刑了 你搞的再清楚 有用吗","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35ff5397cca407d944ea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q112eedeb7fd6c3f77fc5","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":851,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-03T00:05:21.310Z","text":"我记得就是法官说的，说夏主张投资者往maywind 汇了九千万，但没有证据，并且，夏也没有资格替其它人向魏主张权利。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb114d4964e6ca1562711","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q112eedeb7fd6c3f77fc5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb114d4964e6ca1562711","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q73f3e79a526be01d8588","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":852,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-03T00:06:47.849Z","text":"这里要拆成两个独立但相关的问题：**(1) 定性问题是否构成\"滥用裁量\"**，和**(2) 量刑损失金额计算是否构成\"可撤销量刑错误\"**。这两者的审查标准不同，不能混为一谈。\n\n## 一、\"未处理定性冲突直接认定为犯罪资金\"——是否滥用裁量\n\n**关键先分清楚这是\"事实认定\"还是\"程序性裁量\"**：\n\n- 如果托雷斯是在**量刑阶段**认定涉案资金性质（比如损失金额、被害人范围），这属于**事实认定（factual finding）**，上诉审查标准是\"明显错误\"（**clear error**），不是\"滥用裁量\"（abuse of discretion）。滥用裁量标准通常适用于量刑的**程序合理性**（procedural reasonableness）整体，比如是否充分说理、是否回应了被告提出的重大争议点。\n- 两者会交织：如果法院**完全没有回应**一个被明确提出、且有证据支持的重大争议点（比如你说的\"同一笔钱不可能既是政治犯罪资金又是诈骗款\"这种逻辑矛盾），这本身可能构成**程序不合理**（procedural error under Gall v. United States），因为量刑法院有义务对被告/相关方提出的、影响量刑的重大论点作出回应，哪怕简短也要说明理由（Rita v. United States 要求\"足够的解释以便上诉审查\"）。\n\n**具体到你说的情况，关键的程序性抓手是 Fed. R. Crim. P. 32(i)(3)(B)**：如果PSR（量刑前调查报告）中的损失金额认定有争议，法院**必须**：\n- 对争议事项作出裁定；或\n- 明确记录该争议事项不需要裁定，因为不会影响量刑或没有被用于量刑\n\n如果托雷斯**既没有裁定这个\"双重定性\"矛盾，又直接把这笔钱算作损失/没收金额用于量刑**，这正好打在32(i)(3)(B)的靶心上——这是一个**程序性错误**，比笼统地说\"滥用裁量\"更有杀伤力，因为它是规则文本明确要求的义务，法官如果没做，属于**程序错误（procedural error）**，审查时几乎不需要辩论\"是否应该裁量\"，而是直接看\"规则要求的动作做了没有\"。\n\n## 二、这样的量刑是否属于\"可撤销\"（reversible）\n\n可撤销需要同时满足几层：\n\n1. **确有错误**（procedural or substantive error）——如上面说的，未裁定争议损失金额可能构成程序错误。\n2. **错误已经在量刑时保留（preserved）**——即你/辩方是否在量刑听证时**明确提出异议**，要求法院对该争议金额作出裁定。如果当庭没有提出异议，上诉审查标准会降为**明显错误标准（plain error review）**，门槛高很多（要证明错误明显、影响实体权利、且严重损害司法程序公正性）。这一点你需要核实庭审记录里是否有相关异议。\n3. **错误具有实质影响（harmless error 排除）**——需要证明如果法院正确裁定/剔除这笔存疑资金，量刑结果（刑期或没收金额）会实质性不同。金额差异越大，这一点越容易证明；如果这笔钱只占整体损失金额的一小部分，法院可能援引\"harmless error\"驳回。\n\n## 三、给你的实操建议\n\n这个论证要打赢，光靠逻辑矛盾这个\"抽象论点\"分量不够，需要具体证据支撑：\n\n- 找到量刑记录（transcript）里，辩方或第三方是否**明确提出**过这个\"双重定性\"争议，以及法院的回应（如果有）原文是什么\n- 找到PSR或政府量刑意见书里，涉案资金的损失/没收金额构成明细，看这笔存疑资金占比多大\n- 核实这笔资金是算入 §2B1.1 量刑指南下的\"损失金额\"，还是算入独立的没收金额判决（forfeiture money judgment）——这两者法律基础不同，救济路径也不同，绝对不能混着论证\n\n如果你手头有具体的量刑记录段落或PSR摘录，可以贴出来，我可以帮你逐句核对法院是否满足了32(i)(3)(B)的裁定义务。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8fdf98d104816f76150e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73f3e79a526be01d8588","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8fdf98d104816f76150e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q80dcfc455dad2580d5af","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":853,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-03T00:10:08.040Z","text":"辩方没有提出，只有第三方提出了。但这里有一个问题是，南区法院和政府没有收到中共的办案卷宗，说没有证据支持的主张，可以不处理。所以问题还是前置性问题，你都没有上传！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q80dcfc455dad2580d5af","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q06938b2047544ae4c95b","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":854,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-03T00:11:04.912Z","text":"tony强制令立案 就说明tony在南区提交了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q80dcfc455dad2580d5af","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06938b2047544ae4c95b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q80dcfc455dad2580d5af","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q2918724d2d6e56a3f679","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":855,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-03T00:16:32.858Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 收到了你不上传 就是拒绝研究这个问题 而这个问题直接牵扯到托雷斯有没有裁量权","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2918724d2d6e56a3f679","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qb8567d5a97c3642ae65a","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":856,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-03T00:17:33.696Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 所以不上传tony的动议 就是fail to exercise 裁量权，二巡有判例，fail to exercise 裁量权 就是滥用裁量权","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8567d5a97c3642ae65a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qe76aac11dbd9c2370b9c","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":857,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-03T00:18:00.636Z","text":"tony一个人打废量刑一点问题都没有 [删节：隐私信息] 就是安小东这个[屏蔽词]根本没这个智商","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe76aac11dbd9c2370b9c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q336f6fa00ca3ae4bc82e","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":858,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-03T00:18:42.562Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 现在大家终于开始慢慢理解tony的问题有多严重了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q336f6fa00ca3ae4bc82e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qb2893e871183ba4e2261","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":859,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-03T00:25:36.435Z","text":"她智商无力理解 她立场也不允许 不接受司法冲突 哈哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":"q79db347a17dc86cfe057","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2893e871183ba4e2261","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q9ea6d9b406abafd245a9","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":860,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T00:28:31.906Z","text":"但问题是，这几个的区别，她不懂啊🤣 ［用户 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853i","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8007aed332ebb2319496","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q02c43b5a05fc0068ece9","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":873,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T00:38:52.123Z","text":"也是给南区擦屁股","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q02c43b5a05fc0068ece9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q4bd31527df87219ca266","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":874,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-03T00:42:30.570Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4bd31527df87219ca266","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qd4de6edab5caa2326a33","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":875,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T00:44:02.326Z","text":"她 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［用户 joh***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d28d0034a7659153a37","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q6d458a04bc17546d2154","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":885,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-03T00:56:18.650Z","text":"［用户 joh***］ 还有 vacate量刑 vacate all","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d458a04bc17546d2154","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q735fb82e31492598c6dd","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":886,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-09-03T00:58:37.332Z","text":"魏的帐户2020年8月帐户上2000多万，只给ACA汇了600万","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q735fb82e31492598c6dd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q6cabc71cbc201ddfb80d","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":887,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T01:01:55.650Z","text":"［用户 spr***］ 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beg***］ ［用户 hel***］ 你们汇款给mindway帐户尾号是哪个？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb50ce5dfde02d2c3b19","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q409d714cde48fae00e72","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":892,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-09-03T01:28:03.090Z","text":"这个7921帐户减去汇款给ACA的1300，被执行的463，8月和10月她吞了1032万，这还没有算9月的，没有算别的帐户","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q409d714cde48fae00e72","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q6b8d87b3494e627eeeca","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":893,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-09-03T01:41:55.411Z","text":"0567，又是另一个帐号，","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b8d87b3494e627eeeca","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qd026d870250e21b11b1a","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":894,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-09-03T01:43:28.756Z","text":"我看到库克县的文件了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd026d870250e21b11b1a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q49671eacdb8d4a019600","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":895,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T01:53:57.295Z","text":"［用户 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魏，为什么不追款，那是南区的事，南区需要解释","edited":true,"reply_to":"qeb50ce5dfde02d2c3b19","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q49671eacdb8d4a019600","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb50ce5dfde02d2c3b19","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qe02908d6721d06136610","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":896,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-09-03T01:55:36.016Z","text":"又看到两个帐号","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe02908d6721d06136610","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qc472f87c07d685c62caf","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":897,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T01:56:03.951Z","text":"你要自己去民事起诉，追款吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe02908d6721d06136610","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc472f87c07d685c62caf","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe02908d6721d06136610","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qf0fa9bd8b0c915511996","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":898,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T01:56:17.262Z","text":"那就是又一个哈恩，她让韩国的投资者民事起诉农场主，多少年了，屁用没有","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0fa9bd8b0c915511996","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q69efc718876bf04fd0c3","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":899,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-09-03T01:56:43.222Z","text":"我现在就等着这个刑事案件结束再说","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69efc718876bf04fd0c3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q1a5bc4234be81ebba3fc","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":900,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-09-03T01:56:51.953Z","text":"我汇的6971","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a5bc4234be81ebba3fc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qb25363273d40b8be3b1f","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":901,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T01:57:22.351Z","text":"farm loan就在刑事案","edited":false,"reply_to":"q69efc718876bf04fd0c3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb25363273d40b8be3b1f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69efc718876bf04fd0c3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q5e9fb82d574ace90afe6","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":902,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T01:58:19.896Z","text":"没人说魏 夏 无罪，只是暂时不起诉而已\n郭的804也说了，他们那里的钱，要追回来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e9fb82d574ace90afe6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qef84a8fe16864288b8aa","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":903,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-09-03T01:58:41.240Z","text":"哈恩就是一个贪婪的神经病，她贪了受害人的钱，表演艺术家/病人","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf0fa9bd8b0c915511996","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef84a8fe16864288b8aa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0fa9bd8b0c915511996","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qf64bf1fac136c0d24366","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":904,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T01:59:55.574Z","text":"拿联盟钱，帮联盟带偏风向，帮人脱罪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf64bf1fac136c0d24366","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qfbdb2db0884fcc4784ff","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":905,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T02:00:29.580Z","text":"好好的一个刑事案，被哈恩带到了民事诉讼，投资者被活活拖死","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfbdb2db0884fcc4784ff","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qe4f86f11e2b4ac1ac830","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":906,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-09-03T02:00:39.181Z","text":"找SARA要钱还要快，可是我研究了一下，给香草山的委托不太好撤销，那些没委托的，赶快自己组织找sara要钱啊，你们的钱没在没收项目里面，要起来还要快 [删节：成员身份]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4f86f11e2b4ac1ac830","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q2155cccc375187d58e26","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":907,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T02:01:06.661Z","text":"［用户 beg***］ 你看她说的\n和哈恩，没有区别","edited":true,"reply_to":"qe4f86f11e2b4ac1ac830","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2155cccc375187d58e26","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4f86f11e2b4ac1ac830","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qc6d1705cb47057ac76d4","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":908,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-09-03T02:02:29.210Z","text":"检方用农场借款给老郭定罪了， 钱即使在8指😂手上她也跑不了。钱在刑事案追她\n\n9指， 不是8 个； 我可没剁另外一个 😂😂😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe4f86f11e2b4ac1ac830","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc6d1705cb47057ac76d4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4f86f11e2b4ac1ac830","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q41e67148ef804a2f63c7","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":909,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T02:02:57.708Z","text":"farm loan涉刑事案，在魏 夏那里的钱，要追回\n现在CVRA没有裁，南区缺解释\n两个人的钱不追，南区缺解释\n［用户 beg***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41e67148ef804a2f63c7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qe01cc38b3a0b0c247940","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":910,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T02:04:41.392Z","text":"这位 ［用户 spr***］ 也不傻，自己的投资，应该联盟补给她，可能还有多的，换她来带风向\n用这个思路，去理解哈恩，就简单了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe01cc38b3a0b0c247940","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qb2cd024c84adf2e4198e","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":911,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-09-03T02:08:28.109Z","text":"8个银行                                                    裁定内容 (ORDER)\n本案开庭审理以下事项：1) 针对判决债务人 Aeon Capital, LLC 向美国银行（Bank of America, N.A.）发出的财产调查传讯令（“美国银行传讯令”）；2) 针对判决债务人 Aeon Capital, LLC 向摩根大通银行（JP Morgan Chase Bank, N.A.）发出的财产调查传讯令（“大通-Aeon 传讯令”）；3) 针对判决债务人 Maywind Trading, LLC 向摩根大通银行发出的财产调查传讯令（“大通-Maywind 传讯令”）；4) 针对判决债务人 Maywind Trading, LLC 向亚利桑那国民银行（National Bank of Arizona）发出的财产调查传讯令；5) 针对判决债务人 Maywind Trading, LLC 向富国银行（Wells Fargo Bank, N.A.）发出的财产调查传讯令；6) 针对判决债务人 Maywind Trading, LLC 向 MidFirst 银行发出的财产调查传讯令；7) 针对判决债务人 Maywind Trading, LLC 向西联银行/亚利桑那联盟银行（Western Alliance Bank - Alliance Bank of AZ）发出的财产调查传讯令；8) 针对判决债务人 Maywind Trading, LLC 向亚利桑那国民银行发出的财产调查传讯令；以及 9) 判决债务人针对第三方美国银行提出的资产移交动议（“移交动议”）。鉴于判决债权人代理律师出庭，已按规定发出通知，且法院已获悉全部案情，特此裁定如下：","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2cd024c84adf2e4198e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q2e14d68bd4f1f9feac39","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":912,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-09-03T02:11:49.302Z","text":"这是你想像，检方摆明不追九指，即使辩方804已经说了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc6d1705cb47057ac76d4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e14d68bd4f1f9feac39","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc6d1705cb47057ac76d4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q80ec1a20e3ecb4ffc667","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":913,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T02:13:12.680Z","text":"检方量刑前，不裁CVRA","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2e14d68bd4f1f9feac39","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q80ec1a20e3ecb4ffc667","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e14d68bd4f1f9feac39","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q60085b01a005f0f7be0d","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":914,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T02:13:36.635Z","text":"rule 32 你懂吗？ ［用户 spr***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q60085b01a005f0f7be0d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q1e259c9d7c3d72c243a9","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":915,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T02:16:28.097Z","text":"farm loan已经量刑有罪，相关的CVRA在二巡，又有合同，签字的是长岛，二巡怎么断？\n南区不起诉长岛，魏，二巡是不是要让南区解释？\n［用户 spr***］ 你听得懂吗","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e259c9d7c3d72c243a9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q65dc36be34713a2cd90e","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":916,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T02:18:20.185Z","text":"拉长岛，魏回到刑事案，这事儿就有意思了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65dc36be34713a2cd90e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q0485e2743407294f91c5","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":917,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-09-03T02:20:03.203Z","text":"郭在822 或者834 里面说， 9指/夏/Kale Bass 等手里有100m 没被收缴","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0485e2743407294f91c5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qb42bb14113d88282b0c5","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":918,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T02:29:34.683Z","text":"对","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0485e2743407294f91c5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb42bb14113d88282b0c5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0485e2743407294f91c5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qd711040a5c2aa5be71b8","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":919,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T02:31:37.772Z","text":"郭如果不说，是辩方的事儿","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd711040a5c2aa5be71b8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q890abd222fe644253436","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":920,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T02:32:05.293Z","text":"检方不回应，又有二巡的CVrA，那就是rule32","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q890abd222fe644253436","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qa73deed99f25a47bc05a","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":921,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T02:41:30.682Z","text":"［用户 kir***］ \n这 ［用户 him***］ 安小东，又在瞎BB\n目的无非是打压CVRA，推853n 853i，维稳盖尔6000人，保政府没收\n问题是，瑞恩说的是，他的人去探视郭，又没有说是谁🤣 \nhttps://x.com/anxiaodong777/status/2095174769519857888?s=46","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa73deed99f25a47bc05a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q7c65ebc753f1f108041e","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":922,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-03T03:03:11.429Z","text":"青藤可没引用cvra","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c65ebc753f1f108041e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q4a799665fd423c5421aa","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":923,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T03:05:54.360Z","text":"这就是故意抹黑嘛","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7c65ebc753f1f108041e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a799665fd423c5421aa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c65ebc753f1f108041e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qe44955bfa20704315d87","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":924,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-03T03:23:19.088Z","text":"你们的钱没了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe44955bfa20704315d87","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q2f0b5d9a19002d6f00d3","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":925,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-09-03T03:28:50.473Z","text":"你看看你又在说南区不保护投资者利益导致钱没了，你都明白了，所以一个诈骗案法院不保护投资者利益导致损失，你就说量刑该不该取消甚至被推翻吧？天大的笑话，口口生生说诈骗案抓了被告判了刑却让投资者钱没了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe44955bfa20704315d87","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f0b5d9a19002d6f00d3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe44955bfa20704315d87","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q0b5455ccc2454cd350d9","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":926,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-03T03:34:35.635Z","text":"你去问法官","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2f0b5d9a19002d6f00d3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b5455ccc2454cd350d9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f0b5d9a19002d6f00d3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q230ae648e09b0c1a27a9","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":927,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-03T03:35:16.638Z","text":"共产党这么坏 该不该灭亡 这世界上很多事情并不如你所愿","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q230ae648e09b0c1a27a9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qc722783bc9cb81b27646","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":928,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T03:35:57.020Z","text":"案子不是撤销，也不是翻案，而是发回重审，而那些未起诉的共谋，包括农场主和300骨干，就是南区给自己留的后路","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2f0b5d9a19002d6f00d3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc722783bc9cb81b27646","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f0b5d9a19002d6f00d3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q536482ebb836d550e9c1","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":929,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T03:37:00.598Z","text":"300骨干被卖，墙内回不去，因为背后主子是习的对头","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q536482ebb836d550e9c1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q2cd718f4189831c95c0a","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":930,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T03:37:41.611Z","text":"海外待不住，政庇还是造假，背后主子也想甩掉这些累赘，还能省经费","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2cd718f4189831c95c0a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qdb578378901af1841b02","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":931,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T03:38:40.526Z","text":"这一步，留给南区做，省了脏自己手","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdb578378901af1841b02","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q699de98afff01516bf5f","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":932,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T03:39:48.560Z","text":"300骨干想反水的，想想老顽童的死，想想如水的账本，也就没那个胆了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q699de98afff01516bf5f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q0f632d4177e93d15b19a","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":933,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T04:03:18.919Z","text":"这个其实也容易理解，都反过来听，就对了\n这是在维稳300骨干+4000网格员\n习的对头，也就是青联盟的主子，上海帮知道，现在NFSC里剩下的都是他们的狗，网格员出身，没文化，低层次，缺钱需要领狗粮，怕死鬼，容易被习砸钱收买（比如屁酱），都没种\n人心散了，队伍不好带啊🤣 🤣 🤣 \nhttps://x.com/sarahzh67248600/status/2095004792770945248?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f632d4177e93d15b19a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q1b59fa479ee6f0d4450f","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":934,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-09-03T05:28:56.546Z","text":"你的💰也沒了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe44955bfa20704315d87","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b59fa479ee6f0d4450f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe44955bfa20704315d87","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qf31f321478f1d88a146f","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":935,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-09-03T05:56:55.324Z","text":"指什么？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7facae741e2e1dad4163","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf31f321478f1d88a146f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q5c4f7495eaf29aaef6b3","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":936,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-03T08:58:53.483Z","text":"3. 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R. App. P. 10）比amicus的裁量空间更明确、更程序化，如果你需要，我可以帮你查一下第二巡回法院对Rule 10项下\"记录范围有争议时如何动议补充/确认\"的具体操作规程和时限要求。\n被告律师继续不作为，投资者也可以主动出击。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c4f7495eaf29aaef6b3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q66a2a5277393f1e941be","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":937,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-03T09:08:02.653Z","text":"两个都可以给你比较确定的答案，而且都跟投资者社区里流传的说法不一致——先说CVRA这个，这个可以说是查证后可以直接纠正的。\n一、\"用CVRA介入就不能跟被告律师联系\"——这个说法没有法律依据，方向甚至是反的\n查到的司法资料明确写着：受害人可以自主选择是否与辩方律师接触，这是受害人自己的选择权，不是禁令；而且更关键的是，专业行为规则明确禁止检察官指示受害人/证人不得与辩方团队沟通——也就是说，制度设计的方向根本不是限制受害人联系辩方，而是保护受害人不被检方一方\"隔离\"，确保受害人有自由联系辩方的权利。\nCVRA本身赋予受害人的是\"与检方沟通\"的权利（18 U.S.C. §3771(a)(5)），这是一项额外赋予的权利，不是对其他沟通渠道的限制。CVRA里没有任何条款规定\"行使了CVRA权利，就丧失或限制了与辩方沟通的资格\"。这个说法在社区里流传，很可能是把\"受害人身份敏感、实践中要谨慎\"这种审慎建议，误传成了\"法律禁止\"这种规范性规则——两者性质完全不同，前者是策略考量，后者是法律约束，社区讨论把它们混为一谈了。\n真正需要谨慎的地方，不是\"能不能联系\"，而是：如果辩方律师本身是\"受代理人\"（represented party），你们自己如果有代理律师，你们的律师主动联系辩方当事人本人（而非辩方律师）可能触及职业行为规则里的\"不得直接接触受代理人\"（Rule 4.2 no-contact rule）——但这约束的是\"律师对律师之间该走律师渠道\"，跟\"CVRA身份本身禁止联系\"完全是两回事。\n然后受害者不能联系律师这一点，我们之前讨论的结论也不准确。所以就算提交了cvra文件，也可以联系律师。有硬核证据的，除了先给政府外，再给律师也没问题。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66a2a5277393f1e941be","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q79ec1578468f9de284a9","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":938,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-03T09:08:58.217Z","text":"cvra可以写信 可以联系 就是风险大","edited":false,"reply_to":"q66a2a5277393f1e941be","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79ec1578468f9de284a9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66a2a5277393f1e941be","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qd5aa0b5dc7e9690e5fc0","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":939,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-09-03T11:24:18.714Z","text":"要有风险把控能力哈。\n通信和言论自由是每个人的法律权利。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q79ec1578468f9de284a9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd5aa0b5dc7e9690e5fc0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79ec1578468f9de284a9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q2a54b962b53eb0d0d0b0","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":940,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-03T11:33:59.526Z","text":"你们的钱没了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a54b962b53eb0d0d0b0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q3245d232f524f4a50a94","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":941,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-03T12:00:03.723Z","text":"他们的钱没了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3245d232f524f4a50a94","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q60186c4a77c269ca1023","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":942,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2026-09-03T12:34:39.179Z","text":"这是没有错的，要自个去起诉","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe4f86f11e2b4ac1ac830","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q60186c4a77c269ca1023","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4f86f11e2b4ac1ac830","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q1d6f7c34cf6925685ced","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":943,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2026-09-03T12:35:32.583Z","text":"民主国家的法律是慢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d6f7c34cf6925685ced","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q3cf3735d1f70645fff3a","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":944,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2026-09-03T12:35:46.704Z","text":"也给了很多[屏蔽词]钻空子","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3cf3735d1f70645fff3a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q81fcb6dc0d84788e08ee","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":945,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2026-09-03T12:36:06.647Z","text":"所以，这些[屏蔽词]就害怕接诉状","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81fcb6dc0d84788e08ee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qf4d082ec193aefc877e4","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":946,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2026-09-03T12:36:25.314Z","text":"就四处逃","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4d082ec193aefc877e4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q03a285a4dc2703ff3eed","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":947,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2026-09-03T12:37:03.466Z","text":"我起诉的一个[屏蔽词]，根据调查机构调查出来的结果是，对方换了45个住所","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03a285a4dc2703ff3eed","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q64b3710d3513a428077e","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":948,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2026-09-03T12:38:56.588Z","text":"民事案件有一个时间期限，一方面对方是想托到这个国家的法定追诉期，如果躲过吧，对方就可以安心黑下这个钱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64b3710d3513a428077e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qb859d89ca0205dc26478","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":949,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2026-09-03T12:40:05.214Z","text":"另外一方面，送达诉状，根据民主国家的法律，各方面都要合法，所以这些[屏蔽词]就可以到处躲，以逃脱接到诉状","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb859d89ca0205dc26478","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qf7f69797312065f391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12:48:55.972Z","text":"那是钱吗？那是玩游戏用的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6c0dc02239ec827c26fe","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0876f8d602e351e530a2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c0dc02239ec827c26fe","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qc8031b0f1c24d7e01d2a","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":963,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2026-09-03T12:49:25.962Z","text":"这个就是真人的猫抓老鼠游戏","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8031b0f1c24d7e01d2a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q9fb4e83740b48ee8143d","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":964,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2026-09-03T12:49:48.492Z","text":"那点钱，能做啥呢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9fb4e83740b48ee8143d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q6cc338f3ea501bb4a437","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":965,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2026-09-03T12:51:34.841Z","text":"贫穷会限制你的想像的，你看瑞恩小[屏蔽词]，要找比喻，都找不出超过它想像力外的。我一天花至少10几个亿的token,这小[屏蔽词]竟然说让我花1个亿","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6cc338f3ea501bb4a437","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q6d36927cd7ab5d1d38c5","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":966,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2026-09-03T12:53:27.317Z","text":"上次那个AI啥观察者的，嘲讽我，都只能拿出它的上限，来自不量力的自个打脸自个","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d36927cd7ab5d1d38c5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qf2c730adbf54e13fbd8d","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":967,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-03T13:02:15.132Z","text":"瑞恩也是牛逼大王","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2c730adbf54e13fbd8d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q7c0f80e967c49c68c13d","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":968,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2026-09-03T13:02:57.631Z","text":"它自个的钱，都没有办法要回来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c0f80e967c49c68c13d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qbd1c773b8b82866dea4b","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":969,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2026-09-03T13:11:33.832Z","text":"[删节：成员身份] 群里的骗钱的[屏蔽词]，\n你们知道我在告你们的，\n四处躲不敢接诉状，\n没事的，我有的是时间陪你们玩。\n\n在民主国家坐牢会比在中共国好很多的\n根据中共国的法律\n你在海外犯的罪，\n回中共国也大概率要坐牢的\n中共国的看所守和监狱可不比民主国家的监狱\n\n           -喜欢和你们玩游戏的文悦诚心通知","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd1c773b8b82866dea4b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qfc82c6666e159796607e","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":970,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-09-03T13:26:05.973Z","text":"sara 自己给GTV退过款吗？                                                 被告的欺诈与挪用行为：负责管理资金的 Sara 拒绝提供完整的财务账目及已签署的贷款协议。  Sara 被发现在未经授权的情况下，擅自挪用贷款项目资金去偿还其个人私下证券发行欺诈案中的投资者退款。  此外，部分资金被违规转移给 Chen 和 Wang 用于德克萨斯州的商业房地产投资，且获利后拒绝归还。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc82c6666e159796607e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qec16c12725f7274d2f5d","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":971,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-03T13:31:25.553Z","text":"［用户 hah***］ 你说的事情没有一件实现的","edited":true,"reply_to":"qbd1c773b8b82866dea4b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec16c12725f7274d2f5d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd1c773b8b82866dea4b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q6a9c4896c7e332ab8440","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":972,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-03T13:34:07.036Z","text":"你也是喜国人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a9c4896c7e332ab8440","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q408d150564d2faa0f7ca","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":973,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-03T13:36:59.869Z","text":"穷逼 我去公司调了数据 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joh***］ 872是什么文件？","edited":true,"reply_to":"qda7c7ce7c9da498acb4f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ffb22b83a01dd35e59d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda7c7ce7c9da498acb4f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qbf503899b5eeb2b8d6a2","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":989,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-09-03T14:03:43.937Z","text":"你看看","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9ffb22b83a01dd35e59d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf503899b5eeb2b8d6a2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ffb22b83a01dd35e59d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q6717aa85d4fbdd43cba9","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":990,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T14:03:49.704Z","text":"盖尔反对和解","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9ffb22b83a01dd35e59d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6717aa85d4fbdd43cba9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ffb22b83a01dd35e59d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qcc29654a94c47ceecb6b","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":991,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-03T14:05:58.078Z","text":"瑞恩赢麻了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcc29654a94c47ceecb6b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qecc78ca5625ba3a0bb86","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":992,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-03T14:06:24.524Z","text":"天天巨大发现 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南区有吗","edited":true,"reply_to":"qbf503899b5eeb2b8d6a2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5aaef3ea6c6589859e2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf503899b5eeb2b8d6a2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q371a1017ccf473041fc2","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":994,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-03T14:07:28.180Z","text":"群里已经有人被我骗钱了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qecc78ca5625ba3a0bb86","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q371a1017ccf473041fc2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qecc78ca5625ba3a0bb86","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qc1f4127fcf9f36a7bd98","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":995,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-03T14:10:32.347Z","text":"穷逼 老子一万亿","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1f4127fcf9f36a7bd98","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q2bb9ca12500de6b404a8","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":996,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-09-03T14:11:42.162Z","text":"也可能是她把原文译成中文后再解读吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe5aaef3ea6c6589859e2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2bb9ca12500de6b404a8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe5aaef3ea6c6589859e2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q24b7bac6fedf65229396","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":997,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T14:12:52.427Z","text":"她这是丢给AI自动翻译的吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2bb9ca12500de6b404a8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q24b7bac6fedf65229396","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2bb9ca12500de6b404a8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qd4b43eeb215c724663e5","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":998,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-09-03T14:13:50.722Z","text":"这倒没什么，肯定要借助AI, 大家都这样。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q24b7bac6fedf65229396","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4b43eeb215c724663e5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q24b7bac6fedf65229396","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q0eebbbc61b959e6030ce","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":999,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-03T14:15:36.567Z","text":"我为什么给你打钱 你说说看","edited":false,"reply_to":"q371a1017ccf473041fc2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0eebbbc61b959e6030ce","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q371a1017ccf473041fc2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q87dea3edf698e04b56d3","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":1000,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T14:16:02.749Z","text":"即使 ［用户 hah***］ 被 ［用户 him***］ 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