{"id":"batch-000155","number":155,"revision":3,"date_start":"2026-08-31T07:35:00.847Z","date_end":"2026-09-03T15:10:18.865Z","total_messages":1016,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 155 (Aug 31, 2026 – Sep 3, 2026), 1,016 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Three primary lines of discussion emerged: settlement and forfeiture boundaries separating criminal and bankruptcy proceedings, jurisdictional and procedural disputes across the Southern District, bankruptcy, and criminal courts, and asset recovery involving MOS, GClub, farms, and the Himalaya Exchange. Participants debated conflicting asset figures spanning 9 million, 150 million, and 1.4 billion, alleged coordinated collusive performances, and evaluated litigation tactics, particularly Second Circuit appeals, vacatur motions, and whether pursuing further litigation remains worthwhile.","guide_en":[{"title":"Whether Settlement and Asset Forfeiture Are Severed: Handling Criminal and Bankruptcy Cases Separately","description":"Participants debate whether the bankruptcy case is separating from the criminal prosecution and question how settlement affects alter ego determinations and asset tracing.","message_ids":["qb81b6f2a44921f221227","q4f004a67c02ba4ecda74","qd9014c3511d3d33a4f30"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qb81b6f2a44921f221227","summary_en":"kir*** contends that reaching a settlement would eliminate the need to establish alter ego liability."},{"message_id":"q4f004a67c02ba4ecda74","summary_en":"kir*** argues that the bankruptcy case is seeking to separate itself from the criminal 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and deliberately chose not to prosecute other individuals."},{"message_id":"q3b455748aed01f854156","summary_en":"0x_*** notes that the judge did not approve Document 733 and contends that more evidence is needed so that even non-lawyers would recognize prosecutorial misconduct."}]},{"title":"Entity Status and Liability Chains: Independence of MOS, GClub, and ACA, with Differing Views on Alter Ego and Fund Flow","description":"Participants dispute corporate separateness and argue whether MOS and other farm entities operated independently or under centralized direction as alter egos.","message_ids":["q2368645e35c8eb5a899c","qf1d5e4df274197ab6a56","q99acec27cc0fe81cbcf1"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q2368645e35c8eb5a899c","summary_en":"joh*** argues that Changdao's MOS company and GClub figures Mei Guo and Qiang Guo oppose the settlement with Luc in the bankruptcy case, rejecting alter ego claims and challenging allegations of centralized control by Guo."},{"message_id":"qf1d5e4df274197ab6a56","summary_en":"joh*** contends that MOS independently demanding funds in bankruptcy court isolates farm operations and weakens Mulan's claims that her team was acting under Guo's direction."},{"message_id":"q99acec27cc0fe81cbcf1","summary_en":"joh*** argues that intermediary fraud belongs solely to the intermediaries and cannot be imputed to the Guo family under alter ego liability."}]},{"title":"Conflicts over Key Asset Figures: Coexistence of 150 Million, 110 Million, 9 Million or 90 Million, and 1.4 Billion Estimates","description":"Participants dispute varying calculations of victim losses and unrecorded farm funds cited across court filings and trial testimony.","message_ids":["qf657cf59a86a2703a733","q1a2513efd04bac2a3722","qa250e69b930e4ca79aed"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf657cf59a86a2703a733","summary_en":"reb*** notes that there are currently no specific records showing whether funds from other farms were remitted to any of the named G Enterprise entities listed in the S3 superseding indictment."},{"message_id":"q1a2513efd04bac2a3722","summary_en":"reb*** observes that according to the case file in Xia's lawsuit against Wei, Xia estimated that total investor funds remitted to Maywind were approximately 90 million."},{"message_id":"qa250e69b930e4ca79aed","summary_en":"joh*** contends that if Luc withdraws from the criminal case, the prosecution's claim of thousands of victims lacks factual foundation with only about 200 victim statements remaining, thereby undermining the basis for forfeiture."}]},{"title":"Alignment Over Settlement Positions: Opposition to Settlement and Tracking Opponents' Actions","description":"Participants track reactions to proposed settlement terms and observe divisions among litigating figures.","message_ids":["q6717aa85d4fbdd43cba9","qcc29654a94c47ceecb6b","q7c0f80e967c49c68c13d"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q6717aa85d4fbdd43cba9","summary_en":"joh*** states that Gail opposes the settlement."},{"message_id":"qcc29654a94c47ceecb6b","summary_en":"may*** contends that Ryan has won completely."},{"message_id":"q7c0f80e967c49c68c13d","summary_en":"hah*** posts a message containing no retrievable text."}]},{"title":"Expansion of the \"Accomplice and Double Act\" Narrative: Allegations of Meetings, Rotating Statements, and Cover-Ups","description":"Participants accuse specific group members of colluding in coordinated shifts to obscure information and manipulate followers.","message_ids":["qf616827c46f62578bc8a","q687b052c22214c716d12"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf616827c46f62578bc8a","summary_en":"joh*** contends that mon*** and hah*** appear together to conceal information, alleging that ostensibly opposing factions coordinate in rotating shifts to exploit followers."},{"message_id":"q687b052c22214c716d12","summary_en":"kir*** asks what specific information is purportedly being concealed."}]},{"title":"Debates Over Evidence and Dissemination Chains: Whether 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R. Crim. P. 32(i)(3)(B) constitutes procedural error under Gall v. United States and Rita v. United States, advising verification of whether objections were preserved and whether funds fell under §2B1.1."}]},{"title":"Conflicting Expectations on Recovery and Refunds: Pursuing Litigation Versus Seeking Funds from the SEC Fair Fund","description":"Participants recount personal experiences with refund distributions and dispute whether continued litigation or administrative funds offer recovery.","message_ids":["q2a54b962b53eb0d0d0b0","q1dd4c83980515655c002","qf999a08d3809679f7566"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q2a54b962b53eb0d0d0b0","summary_en":"may*** asserts that participants have lost their money."},{"message_id":"q1dd4c83980515655c002","summary_en":"ntp*** recounts submitting a claim form but receiving neither an email nor a refund, expressing uncertainty about the reason."},{"message_id":"qf999a08d3809679f7566","summary_en":"0x_*** describes having received a refund and suggests calling the Fair Fund to inquire."}]}],"summary":"讨论核心可归为三线：其一是和解与没收边界，是否能将刑事与破产程序切割，以及和解是否会预设“先清理再追责”。其二是程序争议，围绕南区、破产庭、刑事庭的管辖，送达与传票、证据材料是否可核验、是否应申请回避等反复交锋，既有“可控结果”叙事，也有对程序越界和不透明的怀疑。其三是资金追索，围绕MOS、gclub、农场、喜交所等资金去向与主体归责争吵不断，出现1.5亿、900万、14亿等不同口径，追赃路径与能否退回并未统一。与此同时，“同伙/双簧”“见面串通”“道德立场”与政治派系叙事持续放大，使讨论在法律论证与情绪化指控之间频繁切换。后段焦点转向诉讼策略：自诉是否适用、二巡与vacate能否改变进程、以及“继续打官司是否值得”成为主要分歧。","guide":[{"title":"和解与财产没收是否切割：刑事案、破产案是否分开处理","message_ids":["qb81b6f2a44921f221227","q4f004a67c02ba4ecda74","qd9014c3511d3d33a4f30"]},{"title":"程序边界争议：南区冻结、破产庭、刑事庭及主事官信息反复被追问","message_ids":["q2c93ee155ce7a3d77b42","q85a6dc338ca5f35c795d","q89eee9a7f97065ed4c7e"]},{"title":"起诉范围与程序公平被质疑：为何未追查部分共犯、是否证据公开受限","message_ids":["q854079f02b861a97fa1e","q18c9ccaaeb928a0e00fc","q3b455748aed01f854156"]},{"title":"资金主体与追责链：MOS、gclub、ACA是否独立，alter 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他不听","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcbb60e3e12d829a78d0c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q43ed09bcc536e4d644b8","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":1003,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-03T14:18:24.703Z","text":"老子派出所4年工作经验 难道还没他懂？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43ed09bcc536e4d644b8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q77d26eb99e1ba04e0a39","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":1004,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-09-03T14:19:48.540Z","text":"老齐还没上线 这怎么搞的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77d26eb99e1ba04e0a39","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q4bc4abe11d8727d2b214","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":1005,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-09-03T14:20:05.169Z","text":"你微信没联系联系他？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q43ed09bcc536e4d644b8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4bc4abe11d8727d2b214","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43ed09bcc536e4d644b8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q6a7f5289fb6d27dd3456","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":1006,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T14:24:31.163Z","text":"还没","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4ea4048d6990406d7534","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a7f5289fb6d27dd3456","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ea4048d6990406d7534","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q9faba118dfe3d69773b2","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":1007,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-03T14:28:22.501Z","text":"和 ［用户 hah***］  合体了","edited":true,"reply_to":"q6ccc9f5f83268adb19f8","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9faba118dfe3d69773b2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qcf1c147f5a51cd64cb50","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":1008,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-03T14:37:23.557Z","text":"他老早把我删了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4bc4abe11d8727d2b214","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf1c147f5a51cd64cb50","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4bc4abe11d8727d2b214","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q96175acf5bc0919357ac","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":1009,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T14:45:43.126Z","text":"长岛的乱码妹，火力全开对着张永兵\n这是，长岛要和张，青藤，彻底决裂了？\n几帮人开始互相甩锅了\nhttps://x.com/sendxicptohell/status/2095422596707758118?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q96175acf5bc0919357ac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qdf222c1fede8aa4fd820","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":1010,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-09-03T14:46:02.619Z","text":"给他打个电话试试","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf222c1fede8aa4fd820","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q6f49b913ef5986bc4ace","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":1011,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-03T14:51:15.418Z","text":"他推特账号都注销了吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f49b913ef5986bc4ace","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q9fac4352f4aed38327d5","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":1012,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-03T14:51:18.876Z","text":"找不到他电话","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9fac4352f4aed38327d5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q1ab5c82d1222aed945cf","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":1013,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-03T14:53:38.312Z","text":"电话给我 我直播打","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ab5c82d1222aed945cf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"qa2125975293e51ba2eef","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":1014,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-03T14:57:30.073Z","text":"先给他打电话都不知道电话","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa2125975293e51ba2eef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q27f19e1a204a0a486578","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":1015,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-09-03T15:06:31.440Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息]","edited":true,"reply_to":"q1ab5c82d1222aed945cf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27f19e1a204a0a486578","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ab5c82d1222aed945cf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"},{"id":"q65f9e8eabef4057282e2","batch_id":"batch-000155","seq":1016,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-03T15:10:18.865Z","text":"他电话给我","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdf222c1fede8aa4fd820","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q65f9e8eabef4057282e2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf222c1fede8aa4fd820","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000155"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000154","next_batch_id":"batch-000156"}