{"id":"batch-000156","number":156,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-09-03T15:10:39.742Z","date_end":"2026-09-06T00:36:50.324Z","total_messages":438,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 156 (Sep 3, 2026 – Sep 6, 2026), 438 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. From Sep 3–6, 2026, thread moved from custody duration and re-arrest risk to legal-process disputes, mixing custody/fate speculation with evidentiary review. Participants contest whether Twitter posts are evidence, whether ACA funds follow Guo or Yu, and whether Torres’s motion rulings show partial relevance limits or judge bias. They repeatedly cite Dkt.319/338/380, Dkt.364/365, and Dkt.385–387, and cases 24-05249 and 26-1853 as unsettled points. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"Detention length and re-arrest risk are mainly speculative, with no verifiable consensus","description":"Members claim the person may still be detained while disputing whether extra detention is realistic, arguing that conclusions remain largely speculative and should be treated as such. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q796a4df0b56a3e942c59","q12ebd3fc4c346ff64bf4","q18db6fe24e4950fd0461"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q796a4df0b56a3e942c59","summary_en":"may*** estimates detention is likely still ongoing. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q12ebd3fc4c346ff64bf4","summary_en":"cin*** argues that additional detention is unlikely unless the earlier ten-day detention report was wrong. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q18db6fe24e4950fd0461","summary_en":"may*** claims one detention would usually make the person fall silent. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Debate over whether Twitter posts are arrest evidence, with focus shifting to visibility and impact","description":"Participants dispute whether online posts can amount to arrest proof, contending that courts need admissible, relevant indicators beyond posting assertions or general tone. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q2e51f9323c5bbccc76d5","q3f4209316c9bd17b6051","q49fcaa4b1a1ba583bec8"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q2e51f9323c5bbccc76d5","summary_en":"cin*** argues that a police claim of having evidence is not itself enough to make an arrest legally defensible. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q3f4209316c9bd17b6051","summary_en":"cin*** repeats the rebuttal that the prior assertion does not hold up. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q49fcaa4b1a1ba583bec8","summary_en":"cin*** says the account is framed as investment-oriented and even aligned with themes authorities might welcome, not as active anti-CCP activism. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"ACA and transaction-chain control remain unclear: payment requests and outsourcing-recovery accountability are contested","description":"Members contend ACA governance is hybrid, with Yu’s operational authority and Guo’s directional influence both asserted, while others dispute where responsibility for recovery and litigation initiation should fall. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qe65a95351cd5f6484b90","qd400c027e226f316582e","qdc59cde284138dfd4ef3"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qe65a95351cd5f6484b90","summary_en":"roy*** says Yu held substantial bank and payment control over ACA, yet points to a 2018 Eastern Profit v. Strategic Vision transaction where two $500,000 transfers were made from ACA after Guo-directed instruction, while stressing this is argued not final proof of complete ownership or full control in case 24-05249. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qd400c027e226f316582e","summary_en":"spr*** contends that even if others handled items internally, the individual in question still carries responsibility and questions who should be the plaintiff in litigation. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qdc59cde284138dfd4ef3","summary_en":"spr*** argues leadership may hide issues from above, but accountability remains, and he is perplexed by who is being accused versus who should actually sue. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Procedural boundary dispute: after Torres narrowed political testimony scope, attention moved to concrete coercion evidence","description":"Participants contend Torres’s evidentiary limits were narrowed through Dkt.319/338/380 and related filings, while disputing whether this means a general prohibition or a relevance-based boundary. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qa88c82edbf8143d4941a","q99a68f722bb082c5cff6","q1fb5e4eeea54c6ca5ec2"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qa88c82edbf8143d4941a","summary_en":"roy*** maps Dkt.319 (May 2, 2024) as an initial relevance/Rule 403 limit, Dkt.338 (May 16, 2024) as major restriction on Paul Doran’s CCP expert scope, and Dkt.380 (June 24, 2024) as a partial lift. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q99a68f722bb082c5cff6","summary_en":"roy*** clarifies the chain as Dkt.338 to Dkt.364/365 to Dkt.380, arguing it is not a blanket political ban but an effort to avoid collateral questions about foreign government infiltration. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1fb5e4eeea54c6ca5ec2","summary_en":"roy*** says Dkt.385, Dkt.386, and Dkt.387 matter because they frame whether Defense Witness-1 could testify about coerced complaints and what Torres ultimately allowed, a sequence he urges for factual comparison. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Judge-bias and trial-error standards: shift from emotional critique to defendant-specific, verifiable prejudice allegations","description":"Members argue legal standards matter here: some claim only proven structural judicial bias could be dispositive, while others insist ordinary legal error and isolated disputes are different categories. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qd04c7feddae28aa8a0bc","qbad36e444c975475faca","q461c933f52e7820df0e2"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qd04c7feddae28aa8a0bc","summary_en":"reb*** cites Arizona v. Fulminante to distinguish trial error from structural error and says only structural bias, if proven, would require automatic reversal rather than harmless-error review. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qbad36e444c975475faca","summary_en":"reb*** says showing actual bias requires a stronger threshold than pointing to a few perceived judicial mistakes. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q461c933f52e7820df0e2","summary_en":"reb*** alleges apparent asymmetry in handling filings, saying adverse letters were marked as part of the record while supportive materials were suppressed as harassment. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Fraud characterization and asset-handling path differ: telecom/securities labels and forfeiture or restitution mechanics are unsettled","description":"Participants claim the core label is telecom and securities fraud, but contend that litigation posture, money tracing, and whether to prioritize forfeiture over return remain contested. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q6c0d74bf550e88c99430","q2172d077a703a3f67326","q5e5f390be8632a9a2e17"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q6c0d74bf550e88c99430","summary_en":"spr*** says the case’s key issue is telecom and securities fraud, while monitoring of appeal counsel is now the practical follow-up question. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q2172d077a703a3f67326","summary_en":"mia*** argues the focus should be on immediate seizure and distribution, not deeper checks of alliance farm funds and fake creditor withdrawal claims. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q5e5f390be8632a9a2e17","summary_en":"hah*** says further demands require baseline legal conditions and that analysis should be anchored in U.S. law in a Southern District criminal case context. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Organizational attribution continues to escalate: Shanghai helper and Green Alliance narratives and third-line rebranding coexist","description":"Members contest organizational blame lines, with some arguing earlier behavior reflected selective engagement while others claim new pressures expose sustained leadership narratives like the Shanghai clique, Green Alliance, or layered rebranding. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qf923428137316ddf9974","qd8e423242720874d0162","qfe54a7c2501d8c1e39dc"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf923428137316ddf9974","summary_en":"joh*** says cin*** now tracks every development in real time, unlike before the Screwbro turn when he largely ignored the group. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qd8e423242720874d0162","summary_en":"kir*** says after the Second Circuit order in the Ryan matter, changing participants may no longer alter the situation. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qfe54a7c2501d8c1e39dc","summary_en":"kir*** repeats the view that the group is effectively a scam and that participants now face mounting urgency. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Screwbro lead becomes a pivot from arrest timing to links with judicial process speculation","description":"Members argue the focus shifted from whether he was caught to whether his detention reflects broader procedural links and courtroom strategy, with competing interpretations of what the evidence supports. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qbf2b542ae60289f8f1ad","qce578ac6ec78ce494649","q05e0f3fcc7264f7ace69"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qbf2b542ae60289f8f1ad","summary_en":"hah*** says earlier boasts about Screwbro’s immunity failed once he disappeared, and warns supporters may have been misled about consequences. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qce578ac6ec78ce494649","summary_en":"kir*** states that Screwbro stopped speaking after being detained. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q05e0f3fcc7264f7ace69","summary_en":"zha*** asks whether the detention followed that disclosure and says it has lasted 15 days. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Settlement and recovery amounts spark conflict over one million versus five million and coercive collection claims","description":"Participants claim amounts became a fault line, with some pushing immediate collection targets and others disputing those demands as pressure tactics akin to repeated extraction. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q4f238d6ebb7da6d83221","q8bcf80b219be6a9ca3dd","qae76fabdd9f5a60a6abd"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q4f238d6ebb7da6d83221","summary_en":"kir*** asks when payment will be made. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q8bcf80b219be6a9ca3dd","summary_en":"kir*** insists on a one million benchmark and says every unit must be met without shortfall. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qae76fabdd9f5a60a6abd","summary_en":"kir*** says the total is five million and asks everyone to chip in. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Second Circuit positioning and next steps divide strategy between contesting outcomes and cutting losses","description":"Members dispute whether to stay engaged at the second-appeal stage or shift to exit, with some claiming the venue is now uncontested while others note only narrow procedural maneuvers remain. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q0f5be5c561a151c7a227","q1a5d6bb300fbe9ec96d6","q23bd26bda3c32ef1b409"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q0f5be5c561a151c7a227","summary_en":"kir*** says no participant is stepping into the Second Circuit now. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1a5d6bb300fbe9ec96d6","summary_en":"joh*** claims the practical pattern is to route people toward 853n. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q23bd26bda3c32ef1b409","summary_en":"cin*** says the situation serves as a hard lesson and that there is little room for alternatives. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Money pressure and victim identity arguments surface: donation demands, filing-target mismatches, and versioning problems","description":"Participants contend internal funding pressure is escalating, while also disputing whose materials apply, who was meant as claimant, and whether document routing mistakes reflect intentional evidence shaping. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q09f909856b09c8094349","q2c948445961e36f974a7","qb8cfc44c55b2938a9083"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q09f909856b09c8094349","summary_en":"kir*** issues a final request for everyone to donate one million in exchange for leniency. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q2c948445961e36f974a7","summary_en":"sar*** suggests a recent X post may have been framed for the wrong filing audience, blurring distinctions around who is being referenced. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qb8cfc44c55b2938a9083","summary_en":"sar*** says a message intended for South District appears to have been sent instead to the Second Circuit, arguing this supports the claim that the two posts were not copied from each other. Community statements, not court findings."}]}],"summary":"讨论围绕该案从事实到舆论演化出多个冲突线：一部分成员聚焦拘留时长、再抓风险和受害者命运（含自杀/死亡猜测），另一部分持续追索法律细节，强调未有足够可采证据。对“言论是否构成抓捕罪证”、诉讼是否按个人提起还是分案推进、民事与刑事界线有多轮分歧；同时出现Torres政治证言范围限制、法官偏见标准、是否可撤销量刑重审等程序争论。组织层面对ACA、代办追款、资金池及和解金额的主导权和归责没有统一结论，资金掏空、冻结与返还机制也反复拉扯。群内拉黑、甩锅、内斗使讨论从证据型转向情绪化，但多数观点仍保留“先核验再定性”的表态。","guide":[{"title":"拘留时长与再抓风险以推测为主，未形成可核实共识","message_ids":["q796a4df0b56a3e942c59","q12ebd3fc4c346ff64bf4","q18db6fe24e4950fd0461"]},{"title":"“推特是否是抓捕罪证”争议：内容之外更看可视性与影响力","message_ids":["q2e51f9323c5bbccc76d5","q3f4209316c9bd17b6051","q49fcaa4b1a1ba583bec8"]},{"title":"ACA与交易链条控制权不清：付款要求与“代办追款”责任边界拉扯","message_ids":["qe65a95351cd5f6484b90","qd400c027e226f316582e","qdc59cde284138dfd4ef3"]},{"title":"程序与边界之争：Torres政治证言范围调整后，重点转向具体受胁迫证据","message_ids":["qa88c82edbf8143d4941a","q99a68f722bb082c5cff6","q1fb5e4eeea54c6ca5ec2"]},{"title":"法官偏见与庭审错误标准：从情绪批评走向需可证实的被告针对性证据","message_ids":["qd04c7feddae28aa8a0bc","qbad36e444c975475faca","q461c933f52e7820df0e2"]},{"title":"诈骗属性与资产处置路径分歧：电信/证券定性、没收与返还机制未定","message_ids":["q6c0d74bf550e88c99430","q2172d077a703a3f67326","q5e5f390be8632a9a2e17"]},{"title":"组织主导归因持续升级：围绕“上海帮/青联盟”与“第三梯队换马甲”并存","message_ids":["qf923428137316ddf9974","qd8e423242720874d0162","qfe54a7c2501d8c1e39dc"]},{"title":"“螺丝哥”线索引发舆情拐点：从是否被抓转向其与司法程序关联猜测","message_ids":["qbf2b542ae60289f8f1ad","qce578ac6ec78ce494649","q05e0f3fcc7264f7ace69"]},{"title":"和解与追索金额争议：一百万/五百万话语推动“逼钱”“再割韭菜”对立","message_ids":["q4f238d6ebb7da6d83221","q8bcf80b219be6a9ca3dd","qae76fabdd9f5a60a6abd"]},{"title":"二巡站位与后续路径分歧：是否上阵影响案件结局，或应尽快止损离场","message_ids":["q0f5be5c561a151c7a227","q1a5d6bb300fbe9ec96d6","q23bd26bda3c32ef1b409"]},{"title":"资金与受害人身份争执：捐款压力、文件版本核对及证据链版本化问题突出","message_ids":["q09f909856b09c8094349","q2c948445961e36f974a7","qb8cfc44c55b2938a9083"]}],"closed":false,"is_finalized":true,"updated_at":"2026-09-06T20:18:50.899Z","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_batch","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156","base_batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000156","page":1,"page_size":200,"total_pages":3,"has_more":true,"next_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000156?page=2","prev_url":null,"messages":[{"id":"qd7c19e36227e65bc57e8","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":1,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-09-03T15:10:39.742Z","text":"[删节：隐私信息] 这就是他电话","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd7c19e36227e65bc57e8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q796a4df0b56a3e942c59","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":2,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-03T15:12:33.826Z","text":"估计还在拘留","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q796a4df0b56a3e942c59","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q12ebd3fc4c346ff64bf4","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":3,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-09-03T15:12:38.057Z","text":"除非之前十天拘留消息是错的 否则不可能额外拘禁他","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12ebd3fc4c346ff64bf4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q167d36442f0667efe1d9","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":4,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-09-03T15:12:55.636Z","text":"他爹之前说就十天","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q167d36442f0667efe1d9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q2f7c1efba7997d7ef7fd","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":5,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-03T15:15:18.689Z","text":"螺丝哥还是很刚的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f7c1efba7997d7ef7fd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q8c009d751a0f4414d18b","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":6,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-09-03T15:15:58.068Z","text":"他不敢碰他明白的禁区","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c009d751a0f4414d18b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qaf08d15a8864d6a780bb","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":7,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-09-03T15:16:36.132Z","text":"他反复表达过 他绝对不骂习 也不去公共场合宣传他那些","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf08d15a8864d6a780bb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q076362f69ac3bb19db3e","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":8,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-09-03T15:17:18.155Z","text":"他内心知道这些是死穴  他去公安局说自己支持那个 没用 大陆公安在没有接到非常特殊的指令下 是依法办事的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q076362f69ac3bb19db3e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q18db6fe24e4950fd0461","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":9,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-03T15:17:19.995Z","text":"没事 拘留一次就老实了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18db6fe24e4950fd0461","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q5f0ce75ae4c20fdb414d","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":10,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-09-03T15:17:36.159Z","text":"他那个投资本身不违法 没有理由抓他","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f0ce75ae4c20fdb414d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qb5b59c929372d57238a1","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":11,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-03T15:17:36.399Z","text":"他嘴巴说说 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那他分分钟被抓","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q736c3126409662d765c5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q2e51f9323c5bbccc76d5","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":14,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-09-03T15:18:44.004Z","text":"公安抓你要看罪证 你跑公安局说我“有罪证” 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也很支持你们自诉挽回点零头儿","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39a7e49cbe51f6f29b63","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qd17dd6892d6579477f0d","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":58,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-09-03T15:49:55.403Z","text":"但我个人猜测  你们越晚意识到这一切  最终爆发那天受伤越大哦","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd17dd6892d6579477f0d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qd161bfcae4dd5518083d","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":59,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-09-03T15:50:38.857Z","text":"你们真能给自己洗脑 骗自己一辈子？ 我不信 不是谁都有齐春宏那个能力 而且 他被抓的这刻 很可能是他‘梦醒’的瞬间","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd161bfcae4dd5518083d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q4453e4ac6bec17df8e20","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":60,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-09-03T15:51:45.794Z","text":"“我有美国法律保护中共不敢动我” 这个他自我洗脑的假设 崩塌了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4453e4ac6bec17df8e20","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q75fb1964f33b3916acd7","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":61,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-09-03T17:28:20.005Z","text":"［用户 beg***］ ［用户 hel***］ ,MOS 找凤凰要回的钱不是我们的 ，凤凰转香草山的不在里面                                                     Between August 11, 2020, and October 6, 2020, in reliance on Sara’s representations and her position as administrator of the Loan Program, MOS in five separate transactions directly transferred a total of $4.5 million to Maywind’s Chase Bank account for\nthe Loan Program.\n43. Further, relying on Sara’s representations and her unique position and role as the administrator of the Loan Program, MOS caused and coordinated with Sara the following transfers:\n• On August 13, 2020, MOS, through its affiliated entity Davy and Tony International Limited, transferred $1,500,00.00 to Maywind’s Chase Bank\naccount and Sara acknowledged and confirmed with MOS the Loan Program’s receipt of these funds on September 9, 2020;\n• On August 20, 2020, MOS instructed Lender #00068 to wire $2,850,000.00 to Maywind’s Chase Bank account and Sara acknowledged and confirmed with\nMOS the Loan Program’s receipt of these funds on September 9, 2020;\n• On September 3, 2020, MOS instructed Lender #01223 to wire $580,000 to Maywind’s Chase Bank account and Sara acknowledged and confirmed with\nMOS the Loan Program’s receipt of these funds on September 9, 2020;\n• On November 23, 2020, MOS instructed Lender #00673 to wire $100,050.00 to Maywind’s Chase Bank account and Sara acknowledged and confirmed with\nMOS the Loan Program’s receipt of these funds on November 25, 2020;\n• On November 30, 2020, MOS instructed Lender #01268 to wire $300,000.00 to Maywind’s Chase Bank account and Sara acknowledged and confirmed with\nMOS the Loan Program’s receipt of these funds on December 8, 2020;\n• On December 1, 2020, MOS instructed Rainbow Gifts Inc., to wire $86,766.00 to Maywind’s Chase Bank account and Sara acknowledged and confirmed with\nMOS the Loan Program’s receipt of these funds on December 7, 2020.","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75fb1964f33b3916acd7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qde216244b4fc57e8fc77","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":62,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-09-03T17:35:29.645Z","text":"香草山根本就没有代我们要钱！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde216244b4fc57e8fc77","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qd400c027e226f316582e","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":63,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-09-03T17:37:24.559Z","text":"至少没有代我要，不知道这里面几个个人里面有没有你们","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd400c027e226f316582e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q2835513554eee3805096","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":64,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-09-03T18:00:08.737Z","text":"老郭23年才进去，这前面21年22年，就从来没过问过这个官司的事？要ACA提供收了sara汇款多少，再让联盟登记大家每人汇给sara多少，一汇总，sara那里吞了多少不就出来了吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2835513554eee3805096","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q4e1bb35090008cec2c00","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":65,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-09-03T18:36:17.173Z","text":"這就是跟隨老郭滅共的兄弟姊妹們才能獲得的福利🫣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2835513554eee3805096","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4e1bb35090008cec2c00","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2835513554eee3805096","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q82e259695b127f696525","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":66,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-09-03T18:55:48.153Z","text":"没搞懂是怎么回事","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8d4d89b3fa7f86e3a898","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82e259695b127f696525","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q2c852fcb1d459983d565","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":67,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T20:02:14.766Z","text":"ACA capital的余，听郭的吗\n［用户 spr***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"q2835513554eee3805096","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c852fcb1d459983d565","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2835513554eee3805096","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qe65a95351cd5f6484b90","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":68,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-03T20:07:39.772Z","text":"目前最准确的答案是：\n\n余建明（William Je）不是那种“郭文贵说什么，他就机械执行什么”的证据状态。ACA Capital 的实际公司、银行和资金处分权，很多都直接掌握在余建明手里；但同时也已经存在至少一些具体交易，证明郭文贵能够要求或指示 ACA 体系动钱。\n\n所以不能简单说“余完全听郭的”，也不能说“ACA跟郭完全无关”。更像是：余有真实的独立金融执行权，郭在部分事项上可能有上游指令权。\n\n最典型的例子是2018年的 Eastern Profit v. Strategic Vision。法院经过五天bench trial后确认，ACA实际从自己账户打了两笔各50万美元，共 100万美元；相关所谓ACA→Eastern“贷款”文件由余建明代表ACA签。但Eastern自己在interrogatory里说，是郭文贵代表Eastern下令把这两笔钱汇给Strategic。所以这至少证明过一次非常具体的：\n\n郭作出付款决定 → ACA实际出钱。 \n\n但同一个法官又特别留下了一个非常重要的限制：法院不知道ACA这100万美元原本的钱是谁的，庭审也没有解决这个问题。 所以这个案件没有判“ACA就是郭的公司”，也没有判“余只是郭的傀儡”。它只证明这一笔交易里郭确实能影响ACA付款。\n\n另一方面，余的实际权力非常硬。我们前面已经核到的Government银行材料显示，余是ACA/Hamilton/HEX大量实体的UBO、authorized signer，某些ACA账户还是sole signatory；他本人能签OTC交易、签数千万美元redemption、选择收款账户、催银行执行甚至叫停交易。换句话说，真正按银行层面看，余不是没有自主权的普通执行员工。\n\nTrustee现在的理论正好是中间版本：ACA名义最终所有人是余建明，通过Celestial Tide持有；但Trustee主张余是郭的financial agent / nominal owner，郭通过余实际控制ACA。 这仍然是24-05249里的待审alter-ego/bare-trust主张，不是已经最终判定的事实。 2026年1月Dooley处理24-05249中间上诉时，也只是把这些说法作为“taken as true / plausible”的pleading-stage allegations，并没有最终认定余必须听郭。\n\n所以如果用最通俗的话说：\n\n郭有时候能叫余动钱，这一点已经有具体证据。\n\n但是ACA的钱、账户和日常金融操作，真正握钥匙的人很多时候就是余。\n\n现在还没有一份最终法院判决证明“余所有重大财务决定都必须听郭的”，也没有证明郭随时可以越过余直接控制ACA所有账户。\n\n这也是为什么对26-1853最关键的问题不是“余听不听郭”这么笼统，而是要逐笔问：\n\n这笔钱是谁决定？余能不能拒绝？郭能不能取消余的决定？银行是谁签字？谁最终release wire？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe65a95351cd5f6484b90","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q1656c5f4c535c5e8aa1f","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":69,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-03T20:08:29.595Z","text":"如果能证明大量ACA大额交易都是 郭指令 → 余执行，Government的“郭是ultimate controller”会很强；如果很多交易是余自己发起、自己审批、自己叫停，郭没有出现，那Dkt.858把整个ACA/HEX资金池都算成郭本人control就更值得二巡审查。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1656c5f4c535c5e8aa1f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q1647fa0fe2ab81dc647a","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":70,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-09-03T20:25:46.769Z","text":"https://x.com/testurheart/status/2095608856747323393?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1647fa0fe2ab81dc647a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qdc59cde284138dfd4ef3","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":71,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-09-03T20:26:01.748Z","text":"他或许以为联盟在处理，那帮人可能在欺上瞒下，即使这样，他还是有责任，记得他直播是发火，韩国农场钱没汇过来没有去诉讼，我当时有点错愕，他到底在说谁？不会是我们自己个人应该去提起诉讼吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4e1bb35090008cec2c00","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc59cde284138dfd4ef3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4e1bb35090008cec2c00","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q0a25d7db6d3d223dd648","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":72,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T20:27:51.165Z","text":"［用户 spr***］ 别闹了，明白你的意思，是要往，郭是boss，上面带风向","edited":true,"reply_to":"qdc59cde284138dfd4ef3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a25d7db6d3d223dd648","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc59cde284138dfd4ef3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q841a1fd0f210ca675f36","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":73,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-09-03T20:27:56.591Z","text":"凤凰的钱，真的只能自己诉讼了，追诉有期限限制，没有签正式合同追诉期可能从借出之日开始算","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q841a1fd0f210ca675f36","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q5927dbbc3d3c6c3df3dd","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":74,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T20:28:39.583Z","text":"民事有时间限制，刑事没有，法盲🤣 🤣 🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q841a1fd0f210ca675f36","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5927dbbc3d3c6c3df3dd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q841a1fd0f210ca675f36","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q96e3f099857da85e0041","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":75,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T20:29:07.895Z","text":"魏怕沾刑事案，是不是啊 ［用户 spr***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q96e3f099857da85e0041","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qee73591305c33828f0b1","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":76,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T20:30:16.330Z","text":"一沾上，各农场独立运作这个事，就会冲垮“郭是boss”这个伪命题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee73591305c33828f0b1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qae57bde5c40dfb6cb3e8","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":77,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T20:30:42.943Z","text":"韩正骂魏，不就是这个点🤣 🤣 🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qae57bde5c40dfb6cb3e8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q417a0415811fa46048d4","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":78,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-03T20:32:59.466Z","text":"但是在很多细节动议上 排除很多证据","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q417a0415811fa46048d4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q67bcaa3568982b91521b","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":79,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-03T20:33:26.390Z","text":"意见虎庭审","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3228f582cb7f2532f0b7","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q67bcaa3568982b91521b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qcb129d778188b4f7619a","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":80,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-09-03T20:41:19.717Z","text":"域名也变了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb129d778188b4f7619a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qf5a9fe72d8be1cc464a6","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":81,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-03T20:41:23.858Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge3/status/2095613121255858357?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5a9fe72d8be1cc464a6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q3798927112e71a58fe70","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":82,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-09-03T20:41:51.835Z","text":"或者是服务器到期，没钱续费？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3798927112e71a58fe70","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qa88c82edbf8143d4941a","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":83,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-03T20:49:52.006Z","text":"你说的“托雷斯不让提政治”，最主要对应的是 Dkt.319 和 Dkt.338，后来 Dkt.380 又部分放宽了。\n\n具体时间线是：\n\n* Dkt.319 — 2024年5月2日，Motions in Limine Order。 这是最早的重要限制令。Torres没有“一刀切禁止所有政治内容”，她明确说不会 “broadly exclude” 与中共（CCP）有关的证据，但会按照相关性和Rule 403限制，避免审判变成关于中共、政治迫害等外围问题的审判。\n* Dkt.338 — 2024年5月16日。 这个更直接。Torres限制郭方的中共专家 Paul Doran 的证言范围，认为部分CCP/政治内容离本案争点太远，可能导致陪审团混淆、拖延和偏离案件。\n* Dkt.380 — 2024年6月24日。 郭方申请reconsideration后，Torres部分放宽原来的338：允许Doran讲两块——①中共反对郭公开支持的具体政治事业；②纽约的“秘密、法外中国警察站”。其他Doran政治/CCP专家证言仍然不准。\n\n所以如果你记得的是“托雷斯一开始不让郭把案子变成政治/中共迫害审判”，首先看 Dkt.319；如果你记得的是“不让政治/中共专家Paul Doran讲很多内容”，就是 Dkt.338；后来被 Dkt.380 部分推翻/放宽。\n\n而且这个点其实值得我们重新深挖，因为338→380说明Torres自己后来承认至少一部分CCP政治迫害证据具有相关性。再结合7月1日Defense明确说，他们不是要主张“美国检方是外国势力代理人”，而是要证明中共可能通过迫使投资人向美国法院和监管机构作虚假投诉来压制郭，这和你之前一直追的“投诉来源/证据渠道是否被污染”可能可以接起来。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3228f582cb7f2532f0b7","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa88c82edbf8143d4941a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q99a68f722bb082c5cff6","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":84,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-03T20:51:29.788Z","text":"继续往下核以后，目前最需要修正的一点是：Torres并不是“一刀切不让提政治”，而是采用了“允许与Guo主观动机/中共针对直接相关的政治证据，但排除会把案件扩展成‘美国政府是否被中共渗透’的大范围政治论战”的结构。\n\n最关键的书面链仍然是 Dkt.338 → Dkt.364/365 → Dkt.380。\n\nDkt.338，2024年5月16日 是第一次真正把Paul Doran的CCP专家证言大幅限制的order。Torres的理由不是“政治不能讲”，而是认为Doran提出的一些内容“走得太远”，会让陪审团陷入与本案没有直接关系的问题里。后来Dkt.380在复议时自己概括338：部分Doran topics会“stray too far afield”并有让jury被无关问题拖进去的风险。\n\n随后 Dkt.364/365，2024年5月底至6月，Guo要求复议338，重点要求放回三类CCP证据：所谓“五毒”、海外秘密警察站、以及CCP使用本地“agents of influence”进行监视和渗透。\n\n真正重要的是 Dkt.380，2024年6月24日。Torres部分同意Guo，明确允许Doran讲两类内容：\n\n* CCP反对Guo公开支持的具体政治事业；\n* 纽约存在的“secret, extra-legal Chinese police station”。\n\n她还明确写，Doran可以讲 CCP针对像Guo这样的海外中国人，因为这可能支持Guo对某些行为的“nonculpable explanations”。换句话说，“Guo确实担心中共、被中共针对”这一政治背景并没有被彻底排除。 \n\n而且Dkt.380自己记录，双方已经向陪审团提交过一份 DX Stip.0001，详细描述CCP如何试图诋毁、骚扰并遣返Guo；对应trial transcript约 402:9–405:11。所以陪审团不是完全不知道郭与中共之间的政治冲突。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99a68f722bb082c5cff6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q45a90b819bfa377d9b7d","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":85,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-03T20:51:59.168Z","text":"真正被Torres卡住的是第三类：“CCP招募本地人渗透美国机构/郭的组织”。\n\nDoran原计划讲CCP会招募local nationals，并让这些人去地方、州、联邦机构求职。Guo说这能支持他的belief：自己的反共组织被agents of influence渗透。\n\nTorres拒绝这一部分，理由非常具体：她认为这类证言和“CCP是否真的指示人渗透Guo组织”之间联系太弱，而且会产生显著风险，让陪审团误以为本案中的美国政府工作人员可能被CCP控制或渗透。她明确引用Rule 403的“confusing the issues / misleading the jury”风险。\n\n所以如果你问：\n\n“托雷斯真正不让提的政治内容是什么？”\n\n目前最准确的答案是：\n\n不是“中共迫害郭”本身。那一部分允许了。\n\n她真正限制的是：\n\n从“中共有海外渗透能力”进一步推到“郭的组织、美国机构、甚至本案调查/执法人员可能被中共渗透”的证据和专家意见。\n\n这一区别非常重要。\n\n而且从上诉角度看，这条路线真正有价值的地方不是说“法院不让政治辩护”，而是问：法院有没有把一类本来与第三方投诉来源、证人动机、investigative-source contamination有关的证据，过早地当成“会暗示美国政府被中共控制”而排除。\n\n也就是说，最强问题可能不是宽泛的政治迫害，而是更窄的：\n\nDefense是否被允许证明：某些举报人、投资人、员工、信息提供者或投诉材料可能受到CCP压力、诱导或操纵？\n\n如果只是要讲“CCP一般会渗透美国机构”，Torres的403裁量很强。\n\n但如果Defense当时有具体某个投诉人、具体某个证人、具体某条证据来源与CCP压力之间的connection，而法院仍因为“政治”一概不让碰，那上诉价值会明显更高。\n\n目前公开材料里，我已经确认Dkt.380自己留下了这个边界：法院允许Doran讲 CCP targeting Guo，但不允许他泛化到 local nationals infiltrating government agencies，因为会让jury误以为本案政府人员可能被CCP compromised。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q45a90b819bfa377d9b7d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q486fb2c87aeeee98b01d","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":86,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-03T20:53:29.575Z","text":"“Torres禁止政治”这个说法太宽。更准确的是：Dkt.338限制了Doran的广泛CCP专家证言；Dkt.380在2024年6月24日又部分放开，允许他讲CCP反对Guo支持的具体政治事业、纽约秘密警察站以及CCP针对海外中国人的行为。法院真正明确排除的是把专家意见延伸到‘CCP招募本地人渗透美国机构/可能影响本案政府人员’这类内容，理由是Rule 403会混淆问题并误导陪审团。因此后续26-1853真正值得追的，不是抽象‘政治不让讲’，而是有没有具体投诉人、证人、举报来源或证据渠道受到CCP压力的证据被同样挡掉；如果有，那才可能从普通403裁量争议升级成更实质的defense-evidence restriction问题。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q486fb2c87aeeee98b01d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qec40c82a4b14737ba282","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":87,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-09-03T20:55:29.328Z","text":"这个defense是哪个文件?","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa88c82edbf8143d4941a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec40c82a4b14737ba282","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa88c82edbf8143d4941a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q7b0bf1ba7bb294d6d934","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":88,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-03T21:01:46.664Z","text":"［用户 roy***］ tony的二巡强制令如何打脸了托雷斯的这些order","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b0bf1ba7bb294d6d934","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q4381ee935e1ff90e647f","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":89,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-03T21:11:08.243Z","text":"我可以这么问？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7b0bf1ba7bb294d6d934","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4381ee935e1ff90e647f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b0bf1ba7bb294d6d934","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qe84ad7a6ef930793d435","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":90,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-03T21:11:16.518Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe84ad7a6ef930793d435","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q37e9e75ebbd092fa4a2d","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":91,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-03T21:12:01.149Z","text":"找到了。你截图里这句话对应的是 23-cr-118，Dkt.386，不是Dkt.380。\n\nDkt.386 — 2024年7月1日 — Guo Defense提交的8页回复信。 它是Defense针对Government Dkt.385（6月30日要求排除部分Defense证据）提交的 opposition。\n\n截图里蓝色部分基本就是 Dkt.386第3页的原话：\n\n“For the umpteenth time, the defense reiterates that it does not intend to argue to the jury that the prosecution team in this case or the U.S. Attorney’s Office in general are acting as agents of a foreign power.”\n\n紧接着就是你截图后半句最重要的内容：\n\n“But that is entirely different from arguing that the Chinese Communist Party is seeking to silence Mr. Guo through a number of different methods, including by forcing investors to complain falsely to U.S. courts and regulators about Mr. Guo’s conduct.”\n\n意思就是：\n\nDefense明确告诉Torres：我们不是要说美国检察官是外国势力代理人；我们要证明的是另一件事——中共可能通过胁迫投资人，迫使他们向美国法院和监管机构提交虚假投诉，以达到压制郭的目的。 \n\n这个文件很重要\n\n因为它把我们刚才讨论的路线钉得非常准。\n\nDefense在 2024年7月1日、jury trial仍在进行期间，已经正式把理论限定成：\n\nCCP → 胁迫具体投资人 → 虚假投诉 → 美国法院/监管机构\n\n而不是：\n\nCCP → 控制美国检察官/FBI → 制造刑事案。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qec40c82a4b14737ba282","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37e9e75ebbd092fa4a2d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec40c82a4b14737ba282","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q1fb5e4eeea54c6ca5ec2","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":92,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-03T21:12:17.271Z","text":"这两个理论差别非常大。\n\n而且Dkt.386前面还专门解释，Defense Witness-1的证言之所以重要，是因为有人受到中国政府威胁后被迫提交虚假投诉，这会支持Guo为什么相信CCP正在利用这些渠道对付他。Defense写道，这种被迫提交虚假投诉的事实会增强Guo这种belief的合理性。\n\n所以你刚才截图里那个人说的：\n\n“Defense明确说，他们不是要主张美国检方是外国势力代理人……”\n\n这句话的原始出处就是Dkt.386第3页。\n\n而且Government第二天也不是没有回应。Dkt.387 — 2024年7月1日，Government专门针对Guo这封386再提交reply。\n\n所以这条完整文件链应该记成：\n\nDkt.385（Government要求排除） → Dkt.386（Guo Defense反对，7月1日） → Dkt.387（Government reply，7月1日） → 7月2日Torres在庭上继续处理相关Defense证据范围。\n\nDkt.386 原始PDF（8页）⁠\n\n而且这对我们现在追的易建虎非常重要：下一步最值得做的其实是直接把 Dkt.385、386、387 三份逐段对照，确认Defense Witness-1到底是不是易建虎、Government为什么想挡他的证言、Torres最后允许他讲到什么程度。如果386里这个“被迫向美国法院和监管机构虚假投诉”的具体proffer最后被Torres限制，但易建虎后来又实际作证了其中一部分，我们就能非常准确地画出：\n\nDefense想证明什么 → Government要求排除什么 → Torres挡了什么 → jury最终听到了什么。\n\n这比笼统说“Torres不让讲政治”要有价值很多。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1fb5e4eeea54c6ca5ec2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q521711aa9207e57371d1","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":93,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-03T22:38:05.864Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge3/status/2095642486152790366?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q521711aa9207e57371d1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qb04e7dd980a5f6bb51fb","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":94,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-09-03T23:04:21.716Z","text":"https://x.com/testurheart/status/2095608856747323393?s=12&t=eXMPp66CZUFD_7vvMedcSA","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb04e7dd980a5f6bb51fb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q211c81d07a0042db0adb","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":95,"speaker":"0x_***","date":"2026-09-03T23:06:08.913Z","text":"这个是长岛不是好人的唯一证据。长岛是秘书长，但最初sara的vog是最大的农场，长岛的香草山和其他农场没有帐号收款，也通过sara的账号收款。然后sara或者peng jian想黑战友的钱，不把钱转到总部。长岛这时是有所有战友的委托的，但是他没有代表联盟去找sara，而是以mos的名义去讨钱，追讨的不是所有战友的钱，而是香草山借用sara账号的那部分。并且他故意释放假消息，误导战友以为联盟在行动，实际上联盟没有任何行动。长岛的动机可能是要优先保障自己的钱，如果代表所有战友讨钱，经过诉讼的损失和sara那边的挥霍，必然有一定的损失。长岛把其他战友排除在外，少了很多人分钱，就更容易使他mos相关的钱能100%追回。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q75fb1964f33b3916acd7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q211c81d07a0042db0adb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75fb1964f33b3916acd7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q816b85def55b1566085d","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":96,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-03T23:16:40.809Z","text":"郭在这个地方是想说nfsc,诈骗联盟被中共渗透，来证明是中共有组织的栽赃陷害。这应该是他的主要目的，托雷斯就是卡得很精准。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q486fb2c87aeeee98b01d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q816b85def55b1566085d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q486fb2c87aeeee98b01d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qb25a8587cc7bbe3f6cb0","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":97,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-09-03T23:29:50.076Z","text":"因為他們三位要求撤案，火力太猛。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb25a8587cc7bbe3f6cb0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q890effa90ae85e4581c2","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":98,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-09-03T23:50:45.468Z","text":"香草山有帐号收钱，估计当时是决定所有农场把钱汇总到sara 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又赢了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9cd8f801fcdaf2d8f227","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q309a1d8715c2c57d5395","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":102,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-04T00:18:33.149Z","text":"对的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q816b85def55b1566085d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q309a1d8715c2c57d5395","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q816b85def55b1566085d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q87306c681bfdb0162f34","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":103,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-04T00:18:57.670Z","text":"诈骗首领是谁 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v. Fulminante（1991）把宪法性错误分成了两类：\n审判性错误（trial error）——发生在证据呈现过程中的具体错误（不当采纳/排除某项证据、某个不当的证人问答），可以通过\"剔除这一项、看剩下的证据是否依然充分\"来单独评估影响，适用无害错误分析\n结构性错误（structural error）——这类错误影响的是整个审判框架本身，而不是某一项具体证据，因此根本不进行无害错误分析，一旦成立即自动导致撤销/发回重审。最高法院明确列举的结构性错误包括：被告完全被剥夺辩护权、法庭组成存在种族歧视性排除陪审员、公开审判权被剥夺、错误的排除合理怀疑指示——以及最关键的一项，审判法官本身存在实际偏见（actual bias），审判庭组成不公正（Tumey v. Ohio）。\n这才是真正对上号的理论工具——不是\"证据被污染所以自动作废\"，而是\"如果能证明审理法官本身达到了偏见的门槛（不是Liteky里那种可以被正常解释的在案认知，而是深层次、使公正裁判成为不可能的偏袒/敌意），那么这不需要逐项论证每一条具体裁决错在哪，法官偏见本身就是结构性缺陷，自动导致整个审判程序不能成立\"。\n大家觉得本案的记录，是否已经证明了托雷斯存在实际偏见？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd04c7feddae28aa8a0bc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qc488574e6e307f8e7156","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":126,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-04T02:58:18.808Z","text":"最终处理，大概率是重审，不是翻案，也不是撤案\n300骨干，进退两难，墙内回不去，海外没地躲，只有等死，还要防着被主子灭口","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd04c7feddae28aa8a0bc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc488574e6e307f8e7156","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd04c7feddae28aa8a0bc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qcbceec611cd33a445460","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":127,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2026-09-04T02:59:52.231Z","text":"问的方式有问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcbceec611cd33a445460","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q264c8f2ed9ab46e3f1de","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":128,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2026-09-04T03:03:41.626Z","text":"[删节：成员身份] 各位自诉大神们，\n谈谈一下自诉的美国司法程序啊。\n你们吹牛逼不是上了南区和二巡吗？\n咋连美国司法自诉的最基本流程\n还有费用都不清楚呢？\n还有自诉延期送达可以多久呢？\n\n说说一下基本的东西嘛","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q264c8f2ed9ab46e3f1de","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q899fb9d1f4e6e1c9f56f","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":129,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-04T03:08:37.897Z","text":"检方和luc，都有意要卖这300骨干","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf4cf8e9ada58c8b49189","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q899fb9d1f4e6e1c9f56f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qfa65c4f436a1fe9211df","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":130,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-04T03:09:01.433Z","text":"所以你的二巡内容，他们很喜欢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa65c4f436a1fe9211df","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qc279e869ac78fd8f8535","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":131,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-04T04:19:49.862Z","text":"https://x.com/adnan_akmal80/status/2095353331510313134?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc279e869ac78fd8f8535","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q5d88a786390c79f51e5f","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":132,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-04T04:36:34.708Z","text":"因为她们是一路人，精致的利己主义\n利用郭案，从联盟那里拿回投资，再用帮忙维稳做借口，继续从联盟那儿骗经费\n拿两份，从不吃亏\n[删节：隐私信息] 估计安小东/Bao Chu也是如此","edited":true,"reply_to":"qd7de89d90c5be49f4d87","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d88a786390c79f51e5f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q955b9eeddba24d60c7e8","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":133,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-09-04T04:37:01.636Z","text":"瑞恩的科尔蒙上来了，再往下走，又收回去了。🤭","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc279e869ac78fd8f8535","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q955b9eeddba24d60c7e8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc279e869ac78fd8f8535","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q7aa9567339bb84a65153","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":134,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-09-04T07:55:52.161Z","text":"这些都存在也都提过了，二巡装没看见","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd04c7feddae28aa8a0bc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7aa9567339bb84a65153","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd04c7feddae28aa8a0bc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qbad36e444c975475faca","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":135,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-04T07:59:24.019Z","text":"可能证明法官存在实际偏见，不是说法官裁错了几个地方，就能成立。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7aa9567339bb84a65153","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbad36e444c975475faca","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7aa9567339bb84a65153","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qaad860cc4eb580b8e0b0","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":136,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-09-04T08:01:53.338Z","text":"她不只是具体错误，而是区别对待第三方受害人，有律师的理，自诉的不理，不但不理，还亲自下场“恐吓”螺丝哥。密封瑞恩的个人信息，其他的继续无视……一说一大堆","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaad860cc4eb580b8e0b0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q1194b1507ffd922b39e1","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":137,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-09-04T08:02:39.701Z","text":"明摆着对第三方有偏见","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1194b1507ffd922b39e1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q043b7f69a9cd95b9914c","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":138,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-04T08:04:57.592Z","text":"但对被告那里的实际偏见，才能作为结构性错误撤销定罪。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1194b1507ffd922b39e1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q043b7f69a9cd95b9914c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1194b1507ffd922b39e1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q96f27d2c91de71a1e50c","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":139,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-09-04T08:14:37.715Z","text":"比如不让谈政治算不算","edited":false,"reply_to":"q043b7f69a9cd95b9914c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q96f27d2c91de71a1e50c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q043b7f69a9cd95b9914c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q0cf6375823d44ecbf084","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":140,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-04T08:16:06.431Z","text":"单独一个点应该不行。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q96f27d2c91de71a1e50c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0cf6375823d44ecbf084","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q96f27d2c91de71a1e50c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qa7377bae95da64f82a3b","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":141,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-09-04T08:17:40.134Z","text":"只从被告角度，似乎都是偏见，但又拿不出实证","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0cf6375823d44ecbf084","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7377bae95da64f82a3b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0cf6375823d44ecbf084","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q006304829b7f5742625c","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":142,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-09-04T08:23:01.142Z","text":"歧視黃皮膚華人，托雷斯種族歧視！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1194b1507ffd922b39e1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q006304829b7f5742625c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1194b1507ff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mia***］ 托雷斯对被告没有偏见 但是对受害者有偏见","edited":true,"reply_to":"qf3c708b23ad69cfe681d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeafedd9697f13c402b0c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3c708b23ad69cfe681d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q0a7017e021b5da1152de","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":146,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-04T09:09:41.265Z","text":"托雷斯用造谣诽谤来报复受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a7017e021b5da1152de","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q81e942a8f2c5bf2fe46d","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":147,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-09-04T09:17:14.175Z","text":"这个管用但是得有证据","edited":false,"reply_to":"q006304829b7f5742625c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81e942a8f2c5bf2fe46d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q006304829b7f5742625c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q461c933f52e7820df0e2","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":148,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-04T09:33:21.641Z","text":"托雷斯对被告的表观偏见还是有的，收到的对郭不利的信件上传到卷宗，收到的有利于郭的信就说成是骚扰。第三方提交的文件绝大多数对郭有利，然后就被压制上传。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q461c933f52e7820df0e2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q32c2141f9cbea5d7b3cc","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":149,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-04T09:42:55.897Z","text":"被郭骗钱的感觉如何","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q32c2141f9cbea5d7b3cc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qee1eadc7983bb2b1b4fe","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":150,"speaker":"_ki***","date":"2026-09-04T10:16:03.922Z","text":"感觉很好 瑞恩永远在赢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee1eadc7983bb2b1b4fe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qf7a5c43a4fd7b38c1fa8","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":151,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-04T10:54:20.593Z","text":"郭神赢完 瑞神赢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7a5c43a4fd7b38c1fa8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q61f289d9ba8dcea0e9d5","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":152,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-04T12:01:01.548Z","text":"螺丝还关机 估计还在拘留中","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61f289d9ba8dcea0e9d5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q6a9b1a93f6350175a0ea","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":153,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-09-04T13:19:54.517Z","text":"郭案的问题，辩护律师说得很清楚了，任何一个理性的陪审团都不会给出这种定罪结果，只是这世界人大多只是凭情绪和感觉判断，只是检方太擅长于引导情绪和感觉，只是陪审团估计是那个颜色的多，理解不到这么复杂的案子，不是随便一个人都能理解的，看看这个群就知道啦，没有理性的人是能得出多荒谬的认知，极大可能是被检方的渲染虚假歪曲叙事误导了，陪审团能理解到的可能就是GTV是正常经营的正规公司，所以合法无罪，其它的看着就像诈骗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a9b1a93f6350175a0ea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q237667b2ceff6857d149","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":154,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-09-04T13:34:22.528Z","text":"辩护律师把陪审团当成和他们一样的智商水平","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q237667b2ceff6857d149","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q6c0d74bf550e88c99430","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":155,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-09-04T13:41:53.696Z","text":"我早就说过这案子的key是电信诈骗和证券诈骗，至于电信诈骗和证券诈骗的key是什么，我早就figure out 吧，接下来只是如何监督上诉律师的问题，指望你们这帮人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c0d74bf550e88c99430","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q88444c37e3f6e49bdd90","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":156,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-09-04T13:44:27.934Z","text":"你个狗日的，一直在把郭案中郭控制诈骗坐实，用853催没收瓜分投资者的资产给虚假债权人，这就是你的基本盘。辩护律师连基本的账目听证都没有做，你说你M的辩护律师说清楚了，陪审团没有看到具体账目流向，只被误导钱是郭花的，你把这叫说清楚？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6c0d74bf550e88c99430","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88444c37e3f6e49bdd90","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c0d74bf550e88c99430","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qa00f9671621728794634","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":157,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-09-04T14:03:34.936Z","text":"笑死 相煎何太急","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa00f9671621728794634","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qe7eeadc6c05d69598593","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":158,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-09-04T14:11:23.092Z","text":"CNM的，联盟农场闷的钱，作为投资人为维护自身权利，必须向二巡申请撤销量刑发回重审查账。你们这帮烂货想合理化虚假债权人去没收全部抢走瓜分。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q38a914b1283c38499813","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe7eeadc6c05d69598593","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q8847c2e195cb22ae469e","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":159,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-09-04T14:12:37.054Z","text":"别说梦话 我没参与过你们投资 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谁都看不下去了","edited":true,"reply_to":"q83280fcee04a139561ec","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3823e7ca0f564dadb8f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83280fcee04a139561ec","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q5d9ea75fa87475c9c15b","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":189,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-09-04T18:29:34.773Z","text":"老黄都不知道咋演了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d9ea75fa87475c9c15b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q20e74cb40a7ea1b52b85","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":190,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-09-04T18:30:01.596Z","text":"已经成了武侠片了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20e74cb40a7ea1b52b85","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q429588aa7bdca37d37e9","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":191,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-09-04T20:39:40.900Z","text":"猪贝贝盯上王艳平了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q061057e4081117136b30","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q429588aa7bdca37d37e9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q061057e4081117136b30","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q54a1605e30f3f8c47b26","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":192,"speaker":"lon***","date":"2026-09-04T22:25:19.570Z","text":"盯👀她也正常，她是共产党派来的最高级领导","edited":false,"reply_to":"q429588aa7bdca37d37e9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54a1605e30f3f8c47b26","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q429588aa7bdca37d37e9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q052816f3085b3aa1f7e0","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":193,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-05T01:55:19.467Z","text":"喜国人每天出门挣被骗的钱 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