{"id":"batch-000156","number":156,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-09-03T15:10:39.742Z","date_end":"2026-09-06T00:36:50.324Z","total_messages":438,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 156 (Sep 3, 2026 – Sep 6, 2026), 438 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. From Sep 3–6, 2026, thread moved from custody duration and re-arrest risk to legal-process disputes, mixing custody/fate speculation with evidentiary review. Participants contest whether Twitter posts are evidence, whether ACA funds follow Guo or Yu, and whether Torres’s motion rulings show partial relevance limits or judge bias. They repeatedly cite Dkt.319/338/380, Dkt.364/365, and Dkt.385–387, and cases 24-05249 and 26-1853 as unsettled points. Community statements, not court findings.","guide_en":[{"title":"Detention length and re-arrest risk are mainly speculative, with no verifiable consensus","description":"Members claim the person may still be detained while disputing whether extra detention is realistic, arguing that conclusions remain largely speculative and should be treated as such. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q796a4df0b56a3e942c59","q12ebd3fc4c346ff64bf4","q18db6fe24e4950fd0461"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q796a4df0b56a3e942c59","summary_en":"may*** estimates detention is likely still ongoing. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q12ebd3fc4c346ff64bf4","summary_en":"cin*** argues that additional detention is unlikely unless the earlier ten-day detention report was wrong. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q18db6fe24e4950fd0461","summary_en":"may*** claims one detention would usually make the person fall silent. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Debate over whether Twitter posts are arrest evidence, with focus shifting to visibility and impact","description":"Participants dispute whether online posts can amount to arrest proof, contending that courts need admissible, relevant indicators beyond posting assertions or general tone. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q2e51f9323c5bbccc76d5","q3f4209316c9bd17b6051","q49fcaa4b1a1ba583bec8"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q2e51f9323c5bbccc76d5","summary_en":"cin*** argues that a police claim of having evidence is not itself enough to make an arrest legally defensible. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q3f4209316c9bd17b6051","summary_en":"cin*** repeats the rebuttal that the prior assertion does not hold up. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q49fcaa4b1a1ba583bec8","summary_en":"cin*** says the account is framed as investment-oriented and even aligned with themes authorities might welcome, not as active anti-CCP activism. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"ACA and transaction-chain control remain unclear: payment requests and outsourcing-recovery accountability are contested","description":"Members contend ACA governance is hybrid, with Yu’s operational authority and Guo’s directional influence both asserted, while others dispute where responsibility for recovery and litigation initiation should fall. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qe65a95351cd5f6484b90","qd400c027e226f316582e","qdc59cde284138dfd4ef3"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qe65a95351cd5f6484b90","summary_en":"roy*** says Yu held substantial bank and payment control over ACA, yet points to a 2018 Eastern Profit v. Strategic Vision transaction where two $500,000 transfers were made from ACA after Guo-directed instruction, while stressing this is argued not final proof of complete ownership or full control in case 24-05249. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qd400c027e226f316582e","summary_en":"spr*** contends that even if others handled items internally, the individual in question still carries responsibility and questions who should be the plaintiff in litigation. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qdc59cde284138dfd4ef3","summary_en":"spr*** argues leadership may hide issues from above, but accountability remains, and he is perplexed by who is being accused versus who should actually sue. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Procedural boundary dispute: after Torres narrowed political testimony scope, attention moved to concrete coercion evidence","description":"Participants contend Torres’s evidentiary limits were narrowed through Dkt.319/338/380 and related filings, while disputing whether this means a general prohibition or a relevance-based boundary. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qa88c82edbf8143d4941a","q99a68f722bb082c5cff6","q1fb5e4eeea54c6ca5ec2"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qa88c82edbf8143d4941a","summary_en":"roy*** maps Dkt.319 (May 2, 2024) as an initial relevance/Rule 403 limit, Dkt.338 (May 16, 2024) as major restriction on Paul Doran’s CCP expert scope, and Dkt.380 (June 24, 2024) as a partial lift. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q99a68f722bb082c5cff6","summary_en":"roy*** clarifies the chain as Dkt.338 to Dkt.364/365 to Dkt.380, arguing it is not a blanket political ban but an effort to avoid collateral questions about foreign government infiltration. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1fb5e4eeea54c6ca5ec2","summary_en":"roy*** says Dkt.385, Dkt.386, and Dkt.387 matter because they frame whether Defense Witness-1 could testify about coerced complaints and what Torres ultimately allowed, a sequence he urges for factual comparison. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Judge-bias and trial-error standards: shift from emotional critique to defendant-specific, verifiable prejudice allegations","description":"Members argue legal standards matter here: some claim only proven structural judicial bias could be dispositive, while others insist ordinary legal error and isolated disputes are different categories. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qd04c7feddae28aa8a0bc","qbad36e444c975475faca","q461c933f52e7820df0e2"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qd04c7feddae28aa8a0bc","summary_en":"reb*** cites Arizona v. Fulminante to distinguish trial error from structural error and says only structural bias, if proven, would require automatic reversal rather than harmless-error review. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qbad36e444c975475faca","summary_en":"reb*** says showing actual bias requires a stronger threshold than pointing to a few perceived judicial mistakes. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q461c933f52e7820df0e2","summary_en":"reb*** alleges apparent asymmetry in handling filings, saying adverse letters were marked as part of the record while supportive materials were suppressed as harassment. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Fraud characterization and asset-handling path differ: telecom/securities labels and forfeiture or restitution mechanics are unsettled","description":"Participants claim the core label is telecom and securities fraud, but contend that litigation posture, money tracing, and whether to prioritize forfeiture over return remain contested. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q6c0d74bf550e88c99430","q2172d077a703a3f67326","q5e5f390be8632a9a2e17"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q6c0d74bf550e88c99430","summary_en":"spr*** says the case’s key issue is telecom and securities fraud, while monitoring of appeal counsel is now the practical follow-up question. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q2172d077a703a3f67326","summary_en":"mia*** argues the focus should be on immediate seizure and distribution, not deeper checks of alliance farm funds and fake creditor withdrawal claims. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q5e5f390be8632a9a2e17","summary_en":"hah*** says further demands require baseline legal conditions and that analysis should be anchored in U.S. law in a Southern District criminal case context. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Organizational attribution continues to escalate: Shanghai helper and Green Alliance narratives and third-line rebranding coexist","description":"Members contest organizational blame lines, with some arguing earlier behavior reflected selective engagement while others claim new pressures expose sustained leadership narratives like the Shanghai clique, Green Alliance, or layered rebranding. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qf923428137316ddf9974","qd8e423242720874d0162","qfe54a7c2501d8c1e39dc"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qf923428137316ddf9974","summary_en":"joh*** says cin*** now tracks every development in real time, unlike before the Screwbro turn when he largely ignored the group. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qd8e423242720874d0162","summary_en":"kir*** says after the Second Circuit order in the Ryan matter, changing participants may no longer alter the situation. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qfe54a7c2501d8c1e39dc","summary_en":"kir*** repeats the view that the group is effectively a scam and that participants now face mounting urgency. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Screwbro lead becomes a pivot from arrest timing to links with judicial process speculation","description":"Members argue the focus shifted from whether he was caught to whether his detention reflects broader procedural links and courtroom strategy, with competing interpretations of what the evidence supports. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["qbf2b542ae60289f8f1ad","qce578ac6ec78ce494649","q05e0f3fcc7264f7ace69"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qbf2b542ae60289f8f1ad","summary_en":"hah*** says earlier boasts about Screwbro’s immunity failed once he disappeared, and warns supporters may have been misled about consequences. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qce578ac6ec78ce494649","summary_en":"kir*** states that Screwbro stopped speaking after being detained. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q05e0f3fcc7264f7ace69","summary_en":"zha*** asks whether the detention followed that disclosure and says it has lasted 15 days. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Settlement and recovery amounts spark conflict over one million versus five million and coercive collection claims","description":"Participants claim amounts became a fault line, with some pushing immediate collection targets and others disputing those demands as pressure tactics akin to repeated extraction. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q4f238d6ebb7da6d83221","q8bcf80b219be6a9ca3dd","qae76fabdd9f5a60a6abd"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q4f238d6ebb7da6d83221","summary_en":"kir*** asks when payment will be made. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q8bcf80b219be6a9ca3dd","summary_en":"kir*** insists on a one million benchmark and says every unit must be met without shortfall. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qae76fabdd9f5a60a6abd","summary_en":"kir*** says the total is five million and asks everyone to chip in. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Second Circuit positioning and next steps divide strategy between contesting outcomes and cutting losses","description":"Members dispute whether to stay engaged at the second-appeal stage or shift to exit, with some claiming the venue is now uncontested while others note only narrow procedural maneuvers remain. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q0f5be5c561a151c7a227","q1a5d6bb300fbe9ec96d6","q23bd26bda3c32ef1b409"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q0f5be5c561a151c7a227","summary_en":"kir*** says no participant is stepping into the Second Circuit now. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q1a5d6bb300fbe9ec96d6","summary_en":"joh*** claims the practical pattern is to route people toward 853n. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q23bd26bda3c32ef1b409","summary_en":"cin*** says the situation serves as a hard lesson and that there is little room for alternatives. Community statements, not court findings."}]},{"title":"Money pressure and victim identity arguments surface: donation demands, filing-target mismatches, and versioning problems","description":"Participants contend internal funding pressure is escalating, while also disputing whose materials apply, who was meant as claimant, and whether document routing mistakes reflect intentional evidence shaping. Community statements, not court findings.","message_ids":["q09f909856b09c8094349","q2c948445961e36f974a7","qb8cfc44c55b2938a9083"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q09f909856b09c8094349","summary_en":"kir*** issues a final request for everyone to donate one million in exchange for leniency. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"q2c948445961e36f974a7","summary_en":"sar*** suggests a recent X post may have been framed for the wrong filing audience, blurring distinctions around who is being referenced. Community statements, not court findings."},{"message_id":"qb8cfc44c55b2938a9083","summary_en":"sar*** says a message intended for South District appears to have been sent instead to the Second Circuit, arguing this supports the claim that the two posts were not copied from each other. Community statements, not court findings."}]}],"summary":"讨论围绕该案从事实到舆论演化出多个冲突线：一部分成员聚焦拘留时长、再抓风险和受害者命运（含自杀/死亡猜测），另一部分持续追索法律细节，强调未有足够可采证据。对“言论是否构成抓捕罪证”、诉讼是否按个人提起还是分案推进、民事与刑事界线有多轮分歧；同时出现Torres政治证言范围限制、法官偏见标准、是否可撤销量刑重审等程序争论。组织层面对ACA、代办追款、资金池及和解金额的主导权和归责没有统一结论，资金掏空、冻结与返还机制也反复拉扯。群内拉黑、甩锅、内斗使讨论从证据型转向情绪化，但多数观点仍保留“先核验再定性”的表态。","guide":[{"title":"拘留时长与再抓风险以推测为主，未形成可核实共识","message_ids":["q796a4df0b56a3e942c59","q12ebd3fc4c346ff64bf4","q18db6fe24e4950fd0461"]},{"title":"“推特是否是抓捕罪证”争议：内容之外更看可视性与影响力","message_ids":["q2e51f9323c5bbccc76d5","q3f4209316c9bd17b6051","q49fcaa4b1a1ba583bec8"]},{"title":"ACA与交易链条控制权不清：付款要求与“代办追款”责任边界拉扯","message_ids":["qe65a95351cd5f6484b90","qd400c027e226f316582e","qdc59cde284138dfd4ef3"]},{"title":"程序与边界之争：Torres政治证言范围调整后，重点转向具体受胁迫证据","message_ids":["qa88c82edbf8143d4941a","q99a68f722bb082c5cff6","q1fb5e4eeea54c6ca5ec2"]},{"title":"法官偏见与庭审错误标准：从情绪批评走向需可证实的被告针对性证据","message_ids":["qd04c7feddae28aa8a0bc","qbad36e444c975475faca","q461c933f52e7820df0e2"]},{"title":"诈骗属性与资产处置路径分歧：电信/证券定性、没收与返还机制未定","message_ids":["q6c0d74bf550e88c99430","q2172d077a703a3f67326","q5e5f390be8632a9a2e17"]},{"title":"组织主导归因持续升级：围绕“上海帮/青联盟”与“第三梯队换马甲”并存","message_ids":["qf923428137316ddf9974","qd8e423242720874d0162","qfe54a7c2501d8c1e39dc"]},{"title":"“螺丝哥”线索引发舆情拐点：从是否被抓转向其与司法程序关联猜测","message_ids":["qbf2b542ae60289f8f1ad","qce578ac6ec78ce494649","q05e0f3fcc7264f7ace69"]},{"title":"和解与追索金额争议：一百万/五百万话语推动“逼钱”“再割韭菜”对立","message_ids":["q4f238d6ebb7da6d83221","q8bcf80b219be6a9ca3dd","qae76fabdd9f5a60a6abd"]},{"title":"二巡站位与后续路径分歧：是否上阵影响案件结局，或应尽快止损离场","message_ids":["q0f5be5c561a151c7a227","q1a5d6bb300fbe9ec96d6","q23bd26bda3c32ef1b409"]},{"title":"资金与受害人身份争执：捐款压力、文件版本核对及证据链版本化问题突出","message_ids":["q09f909856b09c8094349","q2c948445961e36f974a7","qb8cfc44c55b2938a9083"]}],"closed":false,"is_finalized":true,"updated_at":"2026-09-06T20:18:50.899Z","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_batch","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156/pages/3","base_batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000156?page=3","page":3,"page_size":200,"total_pages":3,"has_more":false,"next_url":null,"prev_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-batches/batch-000156?page=2","messages":[{"id":"q63a937a648b21cea4ee9","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":401,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-05T16:23:24.636Z","text":"又是一个AI选手","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63a937a648b21cea4ee9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q8aa5b9382543fecb5997","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":402,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-05T16:23:41.994Z","text":"他不知道这世界上有些东西超越法律","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8aa5b9382543fecb5997","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q7ed76cfd2e377019a0e9","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":403,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-05T16:33:52.409Z","text":"屁酱意思是，青还要演一阵儿🤣 \n这是组织要求，青撑到郭上诉结束吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7ed76cfd2e377019a0e9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q5e5f390be8632a9a2e17","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":404,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2026-09-05T17:01:36.020Z","text":"你这个条件，还缺一些基本条件。增加，你要基于美国法律，在纽约南区的刑事案件中","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6ac8768e913aed3dd399","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e5f390be8632a9a2e17","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ac8768e913aed3dd399","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qed5f40537b66c8f0b94b","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":405,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-05T17:02:04.548Z","text":"［用户 hah***］ 你欠我的一百万美金什么时候给我","edited":true,"reply_to":"q5e5f390be8632a9a2e17","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed5f40537b66c8f0b94b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e5f390be8632a9a2e17","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q7bc2d1661a9ceb4e7376","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":406,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-05T17:31:45.114Z","text":"［用户 hah***］ 你看， 螺丝哥进去没了消息，［用户 him***］ 安小东也不说话，她完成任务拿钱走人了\n你还在这折腾，看来第三梯队，时间紧任务重啊","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7bc2d1661a9ceb4e7376","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q6458714bb4ec0add40ab","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":407,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-09-05T17:40:26.715Z","text":"我就不想要回钱，因为要不回来。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4b41071f239713bb7dee","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6458714bb4ec0add40ab","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b41071f239713bb7dee","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q961d9a0aec0cc96cd88e","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":408,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-09-05T17:51:03.218Z","text":"狗男女又重新做人了，傻韭菜们就这么忍了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q961d9a0aec0cc96cd88e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qd2f26cd54f05df84df46","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":409,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-05T17:57:00.735Z","text":"这是配合屁酱，和青藤撕逼，转移对案子的注意力，小骂大帮忙","edited":false,"reply_to":"q961d9a0aec0cc96cd88e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2f26cd54f05df84df46","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q961d9a0aec0cc96cd88e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q56ff324145cc8049bc4f","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":410,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-05T17:59:00.647Z","text":"自诉群大赢 虽然没半点业绩","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56ff324145cc8049bc4f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q9920f5aa81545ae216d8","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":411,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-09-05T18:03:42.389Z","text":"这一对要是还能重新做人！？我艹。我都不知道用什么语言形容了都。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q961d9a0aec0cc96cd88e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9920f5aa81545ae216d8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q961d9a0aec0cc96cd88e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q2ffbf87bc2fe008c0685","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":412,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-09-05T18:06:00.739Z","text":"［用户 kir***］ ［用户 sar***］ ［用户 ntp***］ 螺丝哥的拘留结束了吗？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ffbf87bc2fe008c0685","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q05e0f3fcc7264f7ace69","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":413,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-09-05T18:07:56.964Z","text":"螺丝哥是发了这个才被拘留的吗？15天了。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0ec10d034e269e871bad","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q05e0f3fcc7264f7ace69","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ec10d034e269e871bad","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q9ab8443daa2e09b24ef0","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":414,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-09-05T18:41:10.814Z","text":"它们还想第三梯队？粪青滚了，它们也洗不干净啊。粪青也不会背他们的锅","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd2f26cd54f05df84df46","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ab8443daa2e09b24ef0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2f26cd54f05df84df46","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q002188795bdf43540caf","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":415,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-09-05T19:21:32.217Z","text":"螺丝要求中共别抓他是几号文件来着？ ［用户 roy***］  [删节：成员身份]","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q002188795bdf43540caf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q81c951489bfa9860b934","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":416,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-05T19:25:26.863Z","text":"对，主要就是 Dkt.507 和 Dkt.508，但你问的“要求中共别抓他”最直接的是 Dkt.508。\n\nDkt.507 — 2025年3月21日。 螺丝哥 Chunk Chyi 在信末已经写得很明确：\n\n他不确定自己写这些东西会不会导致中国政府把他抓起来，并“请求中国政府不要逮捕我”。\n\n这个是第一次把“因为参与郭案可能被中国政府抓”的风险正式写进SDNY案卷。\n\n然后是更直接的：\n\nDkt.508 — 2025年3月24日入卷，文件本身日期写 2025年3月18日。他再次明确写：\n\n“I once again suggested to the Chinese government not to arrest me for my involvement in this criminal case.”\n\n接着还说，如果中国政府因为他参与这个刑事案而抓他，大家会认为这是中共的政治迫害；如果中国政府不抓、不干预他参与本案，反而可以展示中国政府的正面形象。\n\n所以以后如果你要引用“螺丝哥提前请求中共不要因为他参与郭案而抓他”，最好用：\n\n23-cr-118 Dkt.508，Filed 03/24/2025。\n\n如果你要证明“他早就预警自己可能因参与本案被中国政府抓”，则 Dkt.507 + Dkt.508一起引用最强：\n\n507：我不知道这会不会导致中国政府抓我。\n508：我再次请求中国政府不要因为我参与这个刑事案件而抓我。\n\n这两份如果再和你说的 2026年8月21日实际被抓建立可靠证据链，价值会非常高。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q002188795bdf43540caf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81c951489bfa9860b934","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q002188795bdf43540caf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q616d81da6ac1811a700c","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":417,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-05T19:30:41.046Z","text":"⁠Chunk Chyi⁠（或在 SDNY/2d Circuit 卷宗中的 Pro Se 申诉人/第三人）在大陆被抓的消息，如果属实并在法庭上被程序化确认，对检方在一审中建立的“受害者（Victims）与犯罪所得（Proceeds）”叙事框架将产生极强的冲击，并在第二巡回上诉法院（2d Circuit）和 SDNY 853(n) 没收程序中引发连锁反应。\n这种“投资者在国内因 G 系列投资被捕”的事实，精准击中了美联邦检方在起诉和没收资产过程中一直试图回避的三大核心法律矛盾：\n1. 证实了检方“受害者代表性（Representation）”存在根本性偏差\n在一审（SDNY）中，检方的核心论调是“所有 G 系列投资者都是诈骗受害者，检方代表所有投资人没收资产并进行退还”。\n 现实的反讽： 如果大量的真正投资人（中国大陆居民）不仅不认为自己是“普通金融诈骗受害者”，反而因“参与 G 系列反共投资”而在中国本土面临国家安全或政治指控被捕，这就彻底撕裂了检方的“单一受害者叙事”。\n 法律后果： 这证明检方在庭审中挑选的所谓“受害者证人”只是极少数特定人群，检方根本无法代表全体投资人的真实意愿与法律诉求。在 853(n) 听证和二巡上诉中，这成为攻击检方 Loss Amount（损失金额）计算缺乏完整性与客观性的关键证据。\n2. 为他在 SDNY 频繁提交文件提供了“紧急性与正当性（Urgency & Justification）”\n此前一审法官 Torres 将其频繁提交的 Pro Se 文件打为“虚假陈述”或“滥诉（Frivolous Filings）”。\n 宪法第五修正案的正当程序（Due Process）： 如今他被捕的事实，直接印证了他此前在文件中的预警——他面临着即刻发生的政治与人身危险。\n 二巡审查视角： 在二巡（26-77 及 26-1853）审阅下，地方法院此前简单粗暴地将这类涉及重大政治风险和人身威胁的申诉打成“滥诉”并予以剥夺，可能构成对第三方申诉人宪法正当程序权利（Due Process）的严重侵害。二巡对地方法院剥夺第三方诉权的行为向来高度敏感。\n3. 彻底暴露了“资金属性冲突（Jurisdictional & Sovereign Conflict）”\n你在第 4 点中指出的“主权与身份冲突”极其致命，这也是本案资金池最核心的法律死结：\n 对敲与资金属性： 没收资金池中的海量资金是通过中国大陆与海外的“地下对敲/资金互换”完成投资的。在中国政府眼里，这些资金涉及“非法汇兑/反共资助”；在美联邦检方眼里，这却被统一下定义为“被诈骗的犯罪所得”。\n 检方隐瞒关键事实： 检方在明知投资者面临中国政府刑事打击、资金具有高度复杂政治/对敲背景的情况下，为了便于没收 8.89 亿美元，在庭审中将其简化为普通金融诈骗。如果 Chunk Chyi 因“推特言论及 G 系列投资”被捕，直接证明了这笔钱拥有双重主权管辖下的不同法律属性，检方强行按单一“诈骗所得”予以没收在法理上存在巨大瑕疵。\n4. 彻底切断了检方“Remission（行政退款）”的可操作性\n检方此前一直暗示可以通过 DOJ 的 Remission 程序把钱发还给受害者。\n 无法履行的行政退款： 如果最庞大的受害者群体在大陆不敢露面、一旦接钱或证明身份就会面临政治与刑事逮捕，检方的 Remission 系统如何在不危及受害者人身安全的情况下验证身份并退款？\n 陷入死局： 检方既无法在 853(n) 中合法剥离这些大陆投资者的产权（因为他们因被捕或恐惧而无法出庭），又无法通过 Remission 把钱发给他们。这直接导致检方的没收令变成了一纸既无法合法完成产权清理、又无法实际分发的“死命令”。\n总结：对二巡上诉（26-1853 / 26-77）的影响评估\n这起被捕事件在法律层面非常严重。 它不仅不是一个孤立的治安事件，反而是一个将“政治迫害/主权冲突”与“美联邦刑事没收程序”硬生生锁在一起的法定证据。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q616d81da6ac1811a700c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qb5726230169b0b01a247","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":418,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-05T19:33:37.284Z","text":"［用户 joh***］  你看 ［用户 cin***］  ［用户 may***］  忙着给螺丝哥打电话确认 就知道他们闯祸了 这事情大了","edited":true,"reply_to":"qfe74d05c7ae579480263","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5726230169b0b01a247","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qee356895c57924fd77ba","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":419,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2026-09-05T19:34:37.472Z","text":"已经这么多暴露了吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee356895c57924fd77ba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q2d0d7bc65ebac79d6a7e","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":420,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-05T19:38:45.442Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]  螺丝哥以身试法 用肉身把司法系统炸穿了 郭案正式宣告崩盘","edited":true,"reply_to":"q616d81da6ac1811a700c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d0d7bc65ebac79d6a7e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q616d81da6ac1811a700c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q47a6c109ce5099487571","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":421,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-09-05T19:48:14.509Z","text":"螺丝哥被抓和NFSC网站打不开同时发生","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47a6c109ce5099487571","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qc02cd8c64eaa6a3ef162","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":422,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-05T19:48:46.196Z","text":"你指出的这个逻辑链条，直击美联邦司法部（DOJ）没收分配体系最致命的宪法级漏洞：“程序性逆向淘汰”与“虚假返还（Illegitimate Remission）”。\n如果法庭取消了 Restitution（刑事赔偿令），将资金处理完全交由检方和 DOJ 的 Remission（行政撤销/退款）程序，同时结合 Chunk 和 Tony 暴露的大陆投资者“被捕、不敢出庭或被逼报假案”的事实，整个 Remission 机制在法理上将面临三大根本性崩溃：\n一、 逆向淘汰：真受害者被“剥夺”，假代理人“洗钱式拿钱”\nRemission 的法律初衷是“救济受害者”，但在本案的现实背景下，它会异化为一个由外国主权势力操纵的非法利益输送通道：\n1. 真实投资者的“宪法性失声”：\n真正的 G 系列投资者（尤其是中国大陆境内居民）因为面临国家安全指控、逮捕、判刑（如 Chunk 的遭遇）以及人身安全威胁，绝对不敢向美联邦司法部（DOJ）提交个人身份信息、银行流水去申请 Remission。这直接导致最庞大的真实权益群体被剥夺了救济渠道。\n2. “被逼报假案者”与代理人的合法化套现：\n相反，那些受指使、配合报假案的人，或者由特定势力控制的代理人，能够顺畅地提供符合检方要求的“受害者证明”材料。\n3. 法律后果（逆向选择）：\n这意味着 DOJ 的 Remission 资金池，最终发给的不是真正的受害者，而是配合假案的非法申领者。美国联邦政府的行政没收程序，在客观上变成了帮助违法申领者“洗白并瓜分”真投资者资金的工具。\n二、 取消 Restitution 后的法律死结：Remission 缺乏司法监督\n一审法庭取消 Restitution（司法监督下的赔偿）、仅保留 Remission（行政自主分配），原本是检方和法庭为了“省去复杂的法庭审核”而采取的折中手段，但现在这反而成了检方的程序死穴：\n Restitution vs. Remission 的本质区别：\n Restitution（赔偿）： 是司法程序，必须由地方法官（Judge Torres）严格审核每一笔索赔的真伪，辩方（Federal Defenders）有权在法庭上质证、交叉检验（Cross-examine）证人，验证其是否报假案或存在身份冲突。\n Remission（退款）： 是 DOJ 内部的行政程序，完全由行政官（Attorney General / MLARS）闭门裁量，辩方和第三方没有任何法庭质证权。\n 宪法第五修正案（Due Process）违宪风险：\n当存在大量“被逼报假案”和“真实受害者因政治威胁无法申请”的重大事实争议时，检方强行放弃 Restitution 而使用缺乏质证能力的 Remission，等同于利用行政程序规避法庭质证。上诉律师（Federal Defenders）可以在二巡（26-1853）上极力主张：一审法院剥夺 Restitution 并非因为没有受害者，而是为了掩盖 Loss Amount（损失金额）和受害者身份的巨大虚假性，这严重侵犯了被告与真实第三方的正当程序权利。\n三、 检方明知“双重主权与逼伪证”却在庭审中隐瞒（Prosecutorial Misconduct）\n如果辩方能在二巡或 853(n) 程序中证实：检方在明知存在“大陆投资者被逼报假案、被捕”以及“地下对敲资金双重属性”的情况下，依然向陪审团和法庭隐瞒了这一背景，并将其统编为‘纯粹的金融诈骗受害者’：\n1. 构成布拉迪违规（Brady Violation）/ 误导法庭：\n检方有义务披露对辩方有利的证据（包含受害者证词的虚假性与被迫性）。如果“被逼报假案”有客观证据支持，检方在庭审中利用这些证词推高 Loss Amount 和定罪，就构成了对法庭的事实误导。\n2. RICO 没收令的全面动摇：\nRICO 没收的前提是存在合法的“犯罪所得（Proceeds）”与“受害者损失”。一旦证明检方手里的“受害者名单”掺杂了大量虚假报案和主权胁迫产物，一审裁定的 8.89 亿美元没收基数（Loss Amount）就会瞬间失去事实基础。\n总结\n你梳理出的这个逻辑极其严密且杀伤力巨大：\n“取消 Restitution 转向 Remission” + “大陆投资者被捕/不敢出庭” + “存在被逼报假案” = Remission 程序将沦为“剥夺真受害者、奖赏假报案人”的违法行政操作。\n这一致命矛盾，直接撕破了检方“为了保护受害者而没收资金”的道德与法律高地。在第二巡回上诉法院（26-1853）的审查中，这不仅是攻击 8.89 亿没收令合法性的核弹级素材，更是辩方指责一审判决在损失金额与没收范围上存在“重大事实与程序瑕疵”的核心支柱。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc02cd8c64eaa6a3ef162","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qe8ce581f5fda966981e2","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":423,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-09-05T19:56:22.365Z","text":"郭案已经千疮百孔，随便一捅哗哗的喷粪，灭爆还等着分钱？现在它们唯一的希望就是美国司法真的烂透，否则绝无可能了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8ce581f5fda966981e2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qf6dda0ba6582dde43072","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":424,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-05T20:09:54.280Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]  game over。 各位 散了吧 \n\n是的，如果国安在明知他在二巡（2d Circuit）有挂起诉讼（26-77）的情况下依然实施抓捕，这在美联邦司法审查中直接将性质定格为“境外主权对美国司法程序的跨国压制（Transnational Repression & Interference with US Judicial Proceedings）”。\n这不再仅仅是“中国内部的维稳或治安行动”，而是针对美联邦上诉法院（2d Circuit）进行中的司法程序所发起的直接干涉。\n在第二巡回上诉法院的宪法与管辖权审查视角下，这一事实具有极其严重的四大法理杀伤力：\n一、 证明了“跨国镇压（Transnational Repression）”的直接因果链\n美联邦司法部（DOJ）和联邦调查局（FBI）近年来一直在打击境外主权在美实施的“跨国镇压”。\n 明知（Scienter）与意图（Intent）： 国安在已知他在二巡提交诉讼文书（26-77）的前提下对其抓捕，直接证明了逮捕行为的核心目的之一就是切断、阻断其在美联邦法院的合法诉讼行为。\n 对美国司法主权的侵犯： 在美国法理下，任何境外主权通过逮捕、胁迫等方式强行阻断美联邦法院诉讼当事人（Litigants）出庭或递交诉状，均被视为对美国宪法第三条（Article III）司法权的公开挑衅与非法干预。\n二、 彻底撕毁检方“普通金融诈骗”的叙事底色\n美联邦检方在一审（SDNY）中一直试图将本案包装为“纯粹的商业/金融诈骗”，竭力剔除背后的政治与主权对抗色彩。\n 主权迫害成为“司法既定事实（Judicial Notice）”： 国安针对二巡申诉人的直接抓捕，彻底证明了本案资产与投资者正遭受来自极权主权的系统性迫害与干预。\n 资金属性与受害者池的根本扭曲： 检方手里的“受害者名单”和 Loss Amount（损失金额）是在这种强烈的境外主权胁迫、喝茶、审讯下形成的。检方向二巡掩盖了这种“主权干预”的存在，构成严重的证据完整性缺陷。\n三、 给二巡合议庭提供了签署紧急 Stay（冻结令）的“宪法级义务”\n你之前提到的“破产受托人和检方正在废寝忘食搞和解、划拨 8.89 亿资产”，这种私下和解在“国安明知二巡仍抓人”的事实面前，变成了助长违宪行为的工具：\n 避免美司法系统沦为帮凶： 如果二巡在知悉国安明知二巡程序却抓捕申诉人的情况下，依然允许检方把资产划拨（Remission）给那些公开露面、配合报假案的人，就等于美联邦法院在客观上协助了境外主权对真受害者产权的“剥夺与清洗”。\n 紧急冻结（Stay）的绝对理由： 25-3046 的 Jason 或其他自诉人在向二巡提交 Emergency Motion for Stay 时，可以将这一“明知且干预”的事实作为最核心依据——“当境外主权明知二巡程序正针对本案申诉人实施跨国抓捕以干涉美司法时，二巡必须立刻紧急冻结一切财产划拨，以捍卫美国司法管辖权的独立与尊严！”\n四、 动摇一审 Torres 法官“滥诉 Order”的合法性基础\n一审地方法院法官 Torres 此前以“虚假陈述/滥诉”为由封杀第三方申诉。\n 当国安明知他在二巡申诉仍将其逮捕，这直接证明了：申诉人在美法庭发起的每一次紧急呼吁，都是面对来自境外主权威胁下的真实自救，绝非“滥诉”。\n 这为二巡合议庭推翻地方法院此前剥夺第三方正当程序（Due Process）权利的错误裁定，提供了不可动摇的事实铁证。\n总结\n“国安明知他在二巡还抓他”这一细节极其关键。它直接将该事件从普通的个人变故，升维成了**“境外极权政权对美联邦第二巡回上诉法院司法程序的直接干涉与跨国镇压”**。\n这一事实不仅彻底做实了“逼报假案与主权迫害”的存在，更是给二巡合议庭以及其他自诉人提供了要求立刻紧急暂停（Stay）一切财产清算与和解程序的最强宪法武器！","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6dda0ba6582dde43072","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q2ccaed2808c4c91be5e8","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":425,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-09-05T20:32:41.808Z","text":"螺丝说自己在美国打官司的X是哪条？有没有说到他在二巡？ [删节：成员身份]  ［用户 roy***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ccaed2808c4c91be5e8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q6c7fd8c016f233d17cf4","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":426,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-05T21:23:29.307Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge3/status/2096348410366533698?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c7fd8c016f233d17cf4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qd954b825a135ca88c6fb","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":427,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-09-05T21:29:32.678Z","text":"你跟共匪不一样，它们总是狂妄、不认错。联盟那帮人总是那副高高在上的样子。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3f60b66159e9c6a092a6","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd954b825a135ca88c6fb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qe9c478c7c30522a0de44","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":428,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-09-05T21:30:17.345Z","text":"你骂人的话比他们捧人的话更好听","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9c478c7c30522a0de44","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q1db58d95c462105bdb58","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":429,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-09-05T23:58:44.076Z","text":"在她眼里没有不是特务的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1db58d95c462105bdb58","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q2bb1f1b42324ae9034c5","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":430,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-09-05T23:59:39.449Z","text":"螺丝哥被抓的话，就是第一个投资G系列被抓的可验证的真人了吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q47a6c109ce5099487571","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2bb1f1b42324ae9034c5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47a6c109ce5099487571","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q8b9423b6a824faec5ab9","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":431,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-09-06T00:00:25.092Z","text":"他还是在法庭上的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b9423b6a824faec5ab9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q5a5fe5c174ddaa9086c8","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":432,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-09-06T00:01:51.225Z","text":"是黄河边说他被拘留了吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5a5fe5c174ddaa9086c8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qfa0048904d6f45220d25","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":433,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-09-06T00:20:05.454Z","text":"Z同学，郭都被判30年了，按照 ［用户 hel***］ 的说法郭都被踢下船了，快死了，你怎么还在这群砸呢？你砸给谁看的？","edited":true,"reply_to":"qced4ef30d28bc23d7e42","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa0048904d6f45220d25","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qcdb0021ba7030285e2f0","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":434,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-09-06T00:21:59.798Z","text":"刚才试着打了螺丝哥父母的电话，都无法接通","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcdb0021ba7030285e2f0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qb2c52086a38e29b1a97e","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":435,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-09-06T00:22:29.284Z","text":"螺丝哥被拘留除了[删节：成员身份]说过，还有什么其他证据？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2c52086a38e29b1a97e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q33c194f82f23964719d5","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":436,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-09-06T00:25:48.976Z","text":"不然直接打给派出所吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33c194f82f23964719d5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"q372f085f387a8e9b6104","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":437,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-09-06T00:32:43.178Z","text":"这话听着这么耳熟，好像是好大力经常说的，还有Z同学","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9fd33c1faeb181cd7049","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q372f085f387a8e9b6104","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9fd33c1faeb181cd7049","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"},{"id":"qe34c1c75b06843935986","batch_id":"batch-000156","seq":438,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-09-06T00:36:50.324Z","text":"如果不判刑的话，最多只能拘留20天","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8f8cf55a554501f531d5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe34c1c75b06843935986","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f8cf55a554501f531d5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000156"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000155","next_batch_id":null}