{"id":"batch-000158","number":158,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-09-11T05:44:37.259Z","date_end":"2026-09-17T04:09:31.308Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 158 (Sep 11, 2026 – Sep 17, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Community members discussed criminal and bankruptcy litigation involving Guo Wengui, weighing the Second Circuit appeal prospects against evidentiary limits and potential sentencing hearings. Participants debated whether the Second Circuit would reject Crime Victims' Rights Act claims regarding Rule 32 sentencing disputes or address alleged procedural errors. 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reb***］  二巡不判vacate 有答案了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20d3c18a87f1fb5c95e8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q58467abfdb289b7ed3fc","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":203,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-12T23:52:45.132Z","text":"［用户 reb***］ 有一个东西 叫cronic structural error 意思比律师无效辩护还高一级 这个东西发生 就地推翻。 而二巡一旦裁判任何一份vacate 现在老郭还没有律师 自动触发cronic error的外观 二巡绝对不会这么蠢","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58467abfdb289b7ed3fc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q35d88a28ae4a5fcc3ffa","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":204,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-12T23:53:14.731Z","text":"cronic 意思是 就是瞎几把扯 被告律师都没有。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35d88a28ae4a5fcc3ffa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q6e00c5b25e9115b05fad","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":205,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-12T23:53:26.196Z","text":"在南区，被告因为受托人人在浪费属于受害者的财产，请求法院命令政府把受托人控制的属于受害者的财产拿到南区这边来，在858里，托雷斯统一作了回应，说法院无权这么做。面上可能问题不大，但实质问题是，为了资产保全，法院有权进行监督，这里托雷斯以法院没有权力为由放弃监督，放弃资产保全。在正常的法官那里，是否会动用法院固有权力进行资产保全，由于政府执意对抗，就直接命令政府移交只向法院负责的第三方来独立保管？然后，正常的律师，是否也应该在直接上诉中请求巡回法院执行资产保全？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd085e761bca10292b670","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e00c5b25e9115b05fad","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd085e761bca10292b670","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q99ab56a315da43aecc62","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":206,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-12T23:54:13.798Z","text":"而二巡判任何一份vacate 日后律师上来 都可以说 我的客户都没律师的时候 你判个毛vacate啊 即使所有vacate都被打成烂诉 你二巡依然犯下不可饶恕的错误","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99ab56a315da43aecc62","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q6e9d7ca57cd930836b51","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":207,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-12T23:54:38.441Z","text":"［用户 reb***］  所以 被告律师上任前 自诉人可以随便打","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e9d7ca57cd930836b51","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q06e9ddca1d539ef7e9b4","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":208,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-12T23:54:48.280Z","text":"打无罪都行 只要你能论证","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06e9ddca1d539ef7e9b4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q20ee3d29f96beb5b284f","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":209,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-12T23:55:23.566Z","text":"二巡几个月不判，就是为了不想背cronic的锅","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20ee3d29f96beb5b284f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q3a1fd1103ec065983368","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":210,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-12T23:56:32.578Z","text":"［用户 reb***］  这好像是个漏洞 只要自诉人跑的比二巡律师快 写的比二巡律师牛逼 就可以导致这种局面","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3a1fd1103ec065983368","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qd0f65dc4a9a82ee82ec6","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":211,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-12T23:58:03.346Z","text":"［用户 reb***］  本来说好什么federal defender 吹什么牛逼 这案子根本没人敢接","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd0f65dc4a9a82ee82ec6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q7d4775d92126090968ce","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":212,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-12T23:58:17.506Z","text":"所以我怀疑 要么二巡强制指定律师","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d4775d92126090968ce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q93c46d5194535933513c","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":213,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-12T23:58:28.640Z","text":"要么第三方作为律师代打","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93c46d5194535933513c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q51339c722353d850a134","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":214,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-12T23:58:33.055Z","text":"推翻案件","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q51339c722353d850a134","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q1026a717d4eccb9099f3","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":215,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-12T23:59:02.769Z","text":"无论怎么样 这个案子都是美国两百年来第一大耻辱","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1026a717d4eccb9099f3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q382d198127f98be78403","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":216,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-13T00:17:08.359Z","text":"我是认为吴征在二巡的影响力在起作用。如果觉得纽约cja有问题，就驳回之后开听证。而不是一直这么拖着。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7d4775d92126090968ce","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q382d198127f98be78403","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d4775d92126090968ce","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qef5eeea13c0adcd53758","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":217,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T00:18:04.588Z","text":"有可能","edited":false,"reply_to":"q382d198127f98be78403","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef5eeea13c0adcd53758","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q382d198127f98be78403","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q4c8826d96ab6bdf0a7f5","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":218,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T00:18:30.128Z","text":"但没律师对老郭其实大大有力","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c8826d96ab6bdf0a7f5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q7a924eea4d18c418f3bc","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":219,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-13T00:20:05.963Z","text":"如果因为中共的存在，导致灭共者不可能获得有效辩护和公正审判，属不属于新的宪法问题？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4c8826d96ab6bdf0a7f5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a924eea4d18c418f3bc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c8826d96ab6bdf0a7f5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q3ae57f4c89330bddf302","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":220,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T00:20:26.720Z","text":"有可能","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7a924eea4d18c418f3bc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ae57f4c89330bddf302","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a924eea4d18c418f3bc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qbf4551872260db01d1f5","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":221,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T00:25:52.848Z","text":"［用户 roy***］ 检方有么有什么动议 禁止郭提什么跨国镇压 然后托雷斯同意检方的？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf4551872260db01d1f5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qb4d8fa70138ed94697f1","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":222,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T00:50:15.834Z","text":"［用户 roy***］  庭前 检方说 不能说检方和ccp合作 法官裁决 是哪个order？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4d8fa70138ed94697f1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q7bf44766fff619b377bd","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":223,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T01:11:33.602Z","text":"［用户 roy***］ 319","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7bf44766fff619b377bd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qd3a022ade52a937a3900","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":224,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T01:11:52.138Z","text":"里面有不能说检方和ccp合作","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd3a022ade52a937a3900","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qd45981002fdc0673e5d6","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":225,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-13T01:16:50.630Z","text":"政府的原文是说，被告不能主张这个案件是中共主导进行的起诉，然后辩方自己说没有打算这样主张，所以政府的主张被批准。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd3a022ade52a937a3900","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd45981002fdc0673e5d6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd3a022ade52a937a3900","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q63a799eeda2065dd4689","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":226,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T01:21:01.245Z","text":"打脸了 量刑律师说有报假案的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63a799eeda2065dd4689","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qc5e8485d6b59e24270d5","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":227,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-13T01:27:43.070Z","text":"瑞恩赢了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc5e8485d6b59e24270d5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qfd2d33f1adbd1333e727","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":228,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-13T01:27:50.250Z","text":"郭翻案了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd2d33f1adbd1333e727","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q978a15435f5e38b448aa","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":229,"speaker":"xia***","date":"2026-09-13T01:39:58.299Z","text":"螺丝哥出来了吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q978a15435f5e38b448aa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q8993e873eda27333d3ef","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":230,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-13T01:42:40.353Z","text":"因此，最准确的说法是：\n**检方申请限制郭方提出的跨国镇压相关论点和证据。托雷斯批准了禁止向陪审团指控本案起诉受中共操纵的请求，并排除了部分专家证言；但她没有一概禁止中共迫害、证人受到接触或胁迫等证据，反而驳回了检方若干广泛排除请求。**MILES TRIAL\n\n找“托雷斯同意检方禁止讲什么”的最直接出处，就是：ECF 319第13页的第10项；涉及具体跨国镇压专家证据，则看ECF 338第12–13页。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8993e873eda27333d3ef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q188fb3e96c4ab5742fe2","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":231,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-13T01:43:51.204Z","text":"“319 规定不能向陪审团说美国检方这次起诉是被 CCP 操纵/恶意推动的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q188fb3e96c4ab5742fe2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qdf5d6f4a3bb17efa0f89","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":232,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-13T01:44:19.403Z","text":"ECF 319 不是“禁止讲跨国镇压”。它批准的是禁止辩方向陪审团主张“美国检方的这次起诉被 CCP 操纵或属于恶意/选择性起诉”，以及禁止把 CCP targeting 当成 duress/necessity 正式抗辩；但检方要求广泛排除 CCP targeting、客观迫害证据和中国警方接触/胁迫受害者证据的动议，Torres 反而驳回了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf5d6f4a3bb17efa0f89","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qfcfaab7886a8cf1bfa33","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":233,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-13T01:44:44.300Z","text":"还有一点，我觉得你截图里“我找到关键了，319里面有不能说检方和 CCP 合作”这句话，方向对，但不要把它继续扩展成‘所以辩方不能证明跨国镇压’。 这两个命题在 319 里正好被 Torres 分开处理了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfcfaab7886a8cf1bfa33","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q334ca8d5b42f6a3de7b1","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":234,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-13T01:46:56.185Z","text":"我继续把trial transcript 本身翻了一遍。现在可以给你一个比刚才更准确、也更有上诉价值的结论：\n确实存在“319原则上允许 CCP targeting 证据，但 trial 中 Torres 又对某些呈现方式进行了进一步收窄”的记录。 不过目前我找到的这些收窄，还不能说成她把319允许的跨国镇压证据实质上全部封死了。相反，Yi最核心的“被中国国安逼迫向FBI提交虚假诈骗投诉”最后确实进了陪审团记录。\n1. 最值得注意的是2024年7月3日 Jianhu Yi 作证时的 sidebar\nYi正在详细讲中国国安找他的过程：害怕后果、被带走、被讯问等。检方提出异议后，Torres把律师叫到sidebar，然后直接对Shroff说：\n“Everybody knows the Chinese government is horrific, oppressive, authoritarian, totalitarian, awful. They get it. Move on.”\n\n也就是大意：\n大家都知道中国政府残酷、压迫、威权、极权，陪审团已经明白了，往下走。\n\n回到陪审团面前以后，辩方连续问：\n- 你知不知道他们为什么找你？\n- 为什么找你？\n- 你是否理解国安为什么在那里？\nTorres连续 sustained，然后说 “Move on.” Free Miles Guo\n这个记录很值得保存，因为它证明：319之后，法官确实在庭审中主动限制了辩方继续展开中国国安迫害背景的细节。\n但这里必须非常谨慎。\n这不是一个干净的：\n“Torres禁止Yi讲CCP胁迫。”\n\n因为接下来她又让Yi讲了大量非常有力的东西，包括：\n- 国安未经同意读取他的Gmail；\n- 威胁如果不说真话就把他带到“另一个地方”；\n- 给他看20页案卷；\n- 告诉他投资GTV可能面临 3–5年监禁；\n- 告诉他本来可以轻易把他关起来，但希望他“配合”；\n- 告诉他以后必须按照警方要求做；\n- 威胁他的家人和住址；\n- 收走GTV股票证书；\n- 告诉他GTV投资是假的、会损失全部钱；\n- 要求他不能再随便联系外界。Free Miles Guo\n所以从appeal角度，这个sidebar单独拿出来很难证明“被剥夺提出完整defense的权利”。\n2. 更重要：所谓“被逼向FBI虚假投诉”真的让陪审团看到了\n这是目前最关键的修正。\nDefense Exhibit 60704 就是Yi提交的投诉。\n辩方要求入证时，AUSA Finkel直接说：\n“No objection.”\n\nTorres：\n“It is admitted.”\n\n然后Yi告诉陪审团，他填投诉时：\n- 几名中国警察坐在旁边；\n- 他是按照他们的instructions填写；\n- “every word” 都按他们要求填写；\n- 投诉中称自己怀疑G Dollar/G Series是financial fraud的部分不准确；\n- 他把这份投诉提交给FBI；\n- 同样内容还提交给纽约州总检察长，并发给媒体。Free Miles Guo\n因此以后不能再写：\n“Torres阻止陪审团知道中国警方逼投资人向FBI虚假投诉。”\n\n这个说法现在可以确定是不准确的。\n陪审团确实知道，而且实际投诉文件本身也入证了。\n这点会明显削弱一种很宽的appellate论点。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q334ca8d5b42f6a3de7b1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qe8aeea614a7690425a3f","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":235,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-13T01:47:11.932Z","text":"3. 但Paul Doran那里真的出现了另一种很具体的“防止陪审团把CCP压力连到本案起诉”的限制\n这个比Yi sidebar更加值得研究。\nECF 380，2024年6月24日。\n这是Torres重新考虑ECF338以后作出的order。\n她允许Doran讲：\n1. CCP反对Guo公开支持的特定政治立场；\n2. 纽约的“secret, extra-legal Chinese police station”。\n但其他部分继续排除。尤其是Doran想讲：\nCCP会招募当地人员，并试图让他们进入地方、州、联邦机构工作。\n\nTorres明确说，这种证言会产生显著风险：\n让陪审团误以为参与本案的政府工作人员可能被CCP compromised。\n\n所以依据Rules 401/403继续排除。Midpage\n这和319 Motion 10其实是同一条边界的trial-stage执行：\n可以证明CCP targeting真实存在。\n但是：\n不能把这条事实链延伸成“因此负责郭刑事案的美国政府人员可能也受到CCP渗透/操纵”。\n4. 7月3日Doran作证时，这条边界被现场执行了一次\n这一段非常有意思。\nShroff问到CCP会不会利用虚假刑事指控攻击目标。\nFinkel立即在sidebar表示，这种问法正在暗示：\n“this trial is a false accusation that's been influenced by the CCP.”\n\n他说这已经接近甚至越过法院此前划的线——不能让陪审团暗示本案本身是中国共产党压力造成的。Free Miles Guo\nTorres没有完全接受Government的夸张说法。她明确表示：\n“I really don't believe that they have gotten there.”\n\n也就是：\n我不认为辩方已经走到那一步。\n\n这对辩方其实是有利的。\n但她还是要求Shroff把问题改窄，只问：\nfalse accusations about violations of Chinese law\n\n而不是泛泛问“false criminal accusations”。\n最后法庭认为没必要再问，继续往下。Free Miles Guo\n这里形成了一个很清楚的trial rule：\n可以讲CCP会利用虚假中国刑事指控、监视、黑客、殴打、红色通缉令等跨国镇压手段；\n但不能让这些证据产生“本案SDNY刑事起诉本身也是CCP压力产物”的推论。\n\n而Doran随后仍被允许在陪审团面前详细讲：\n- 滥用Interpol Red Notices；\n- 海外监控；\n- 黑客；\n- 派遣地下人员；\n- 电话监听；\n- 间谍软件；\n- physical intimidation / beatings。Free Miles Guo\n所以又一次证明：不是全面封杀。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8aeea614a7690425a3f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qc7a18ac1dbd92e7661c4","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":236,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-13T01:47:31.843Z","text":"5. Defense自己其实也反复承诺不打“美国检方=CCP代理人”这条线\n这一点对preservation特别重要。\nECF386，2024年7月1日。\n辩方自己正式写：\n“For the umpteenth time”，辩方并不打算向陪审团主张本案prosecution team或者美国检察官办公室是外国势力的agents。\n\n但辩方同时明确区分：\n这和证明CCP通过其他方式试图silence Guo完全不同，包括强迫投资者向美国法院和监管机构提交虚假投诉。New Federal State of China\n\n也就是说，Defense当时自己设计的trial theory就是：\n不打：\nCCP → SDNY prosecutors → prosecution\n而打：\nCCP → investors/witnesses → false complaints / distorted evidence\n这一区分后来在trial中基本得到了法院允许。\n因此，如果26-1853现在想说：\n“Torres不允许郭证明CCP实际上操纵了本案美国检方。”\n\n会遇到很严重的preservation / invited limitation问题，因为辩方自己明确反复表示：\n我们不打这个论点。\n\n6. 7月8–9日 George Higginbotham 又出现一次边界执行\n这里也很值得注意。\nHigginbotham是前DOJ工作人员，而且他实际认罪参与了一个试图影响特朗普政府把Guo遣返中国的阴谋。\n在证人出庭前，Government要求限制辩方突出：\n他当时是DOJ employee\n\n因为Government认为这样容易让陪审团误以为：\n当前“front table”——即现在的美国检方——也可能与CCP有关。\n\nGovernment明确说，2017年的repatriation conspiracy已经通过Defense Stipulation 1等材料进入证据，不需要再用“DOJ employee”身份制造本案检方被污染的联想。慕贝科技\n但这里又有一个重要限制：\n这并没有导致Higginbotham本人被排除。\n他最终真的出庭，并告诉陪审团：\n- 自己曾是DOJ工作人员；\n- 参与针对Guo的遣返游说阴谋；\n- 去中国大使馆；\n- 去中国见相关人员；\n- 有巨额资金进入这项活动；\n- 最后自己认罪。\n公开庭审报道也确认了这一点。法院新闻\n甚至在最终summation里，辩方仍然直接向陪审团说：\nHigginbotham是former DOJ lawyer，见过中国高级官员，试图让美国政府把Guo送回中国，并因此认罪。\n\n辩方接着明确论证：\nGuo因此有理由相信 CCP能够影响DOJ employees。New Federal State of China\n\n这一点非常关键。\n也就是说，到closing时，Torres甚至允许辩方把：\nCCP → 曾经成功影响某个DOJ employee\n这一事实明确拿给陪审团。\n真正不能越过的最后一步仍然只是：\n所以现在起诉Guo的这批SDNY检察官也是CCP控制的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7a18ac1dbd92e7661c4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q7541372566a4fc90fb00","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":237,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-13T01:47:48.456Z","text":"所以，我现在会正式修正这条上诉理论\n如果群里有人想打：\n“Torres禁止郭在审判中提出跨国镇压，因此陪审团完全不知道CCP胁迫证据。”\n\n我建议你们不要再这样写。\n原始trial record已经证明这句话撑不住。\n陪审团实际听到了非常大量的材料：\nYi：中国国安拘押、威胁、逼迫、虚假FBI complaint；\nDoran：Fox Hunt、秘密警察站、Red Notice、监控、黑客、physical intimidation；\nHigginbotham：真实存在的针对Guo遣返阴谋，而且有前DOJ工作人员参与；\nClosing：辩方甚至明确说这证明Guo有理由相信CCP可以影响DOJ employees。 Free Miles Guo\n真正可以研究的更窄问题是：\nTorres是否在某些关键位置，把本来与Guo主观good faith、complaint reliability、investor coercion有关的证据，错误地当成“暗示本案检方受CCP操纵”而过度截断？\n\n这才是有可能形成appellate issue的版本。\n目前最值得看的就是两个节点：\nA. Yi sidebar：\n法官以“陪审团已经知道中国政府很糟糕”为理由要求快速结束背景证言，这到底只是Rule 403/cumulative管理，还是截掉了某些与具体投诉来源/可靠性直接相关的事实？\nB. Doran false-accusation sidebar：\n法官要求把“false criminal accusations”限制成“false accusations under Chinese law”。如果Defense能够证明原问题本来是为了说明CCP跨境制造虚假美国监管/执法投诉的modus operandi，而不是攻击SDNY prosecutors，那么这里可能存在更窄的Rule 401/403问题。\n证据强弱\n“跨国镇压整体被排除”理论：★☆☆☆☆，现在应明显降级。\n“某些特定CCP evidence被过度限制”理论：★★★☆☆，值得继续核。\n“本案检方受CCP控制却不让辩方说”的路线：目前★★☆☆☆，而且preservation风险很大。\n最大原因就是ECF386和trial承诺：Defense自己反复声明不打这个命题。 New Federal State of China\n但“CCP胁迫导致victim complaint / evidence reliability问题”这一条仍然很重要，而且现在反而更清楚：这条线在trial是被法院承认为合法目的的。\n这对你后来一直追的sentencing阶段108/35/7人的更大规模coercion proffer其实非常重要：\ntrial时，法院已经允许Yi证明一份具体FBI投诉是被中国警方逼出来的；\n到sentencing时，Defense又声称出现了大量同类材料。\n那真正的问题就不是“CCP理论以前完全被法院拒绝”，而是：当证据规模从Yi一个人扩大到大量victim/complainant时，法院为什么不再做reliability hearing，却同时依赖Government提交的大量victim statements？\n\n这一条比“trial court禁止跨国镇压证据”强得多。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7541372566a4fc90fb00","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q8dd203a72c98744d7766","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":238,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T02:46:51.775Z","text":"［用户 roy***］  托雷斯order说了禁止说政府和ccp合谋 但后来又上了几个证人 如黑根巴森 yijian hu 说ccp逼他假案 和司法部的遣返。 然后托雷斯结案陈词又不让泛化 这个怎么解读？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8dd203a72c98744d7766","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q4071c59946a127c51671","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":239,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T02:50:25.700Z","text":"［用户 joh***］ ［用户 reb***］ 不得不佩服托雷斯对法庭的控场 order先不让说ccp和政府合谋 然后让你上证人说几句 最后不让你泛化","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4071c59946a127c51671","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qb6f8eb2ae6c12e57d288","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":240,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2026-09-13T03:02:11.817Z","text":"[删节：成员身份] \n自诉捅刀帮又要用讨论郭先生的案件，\n来引流和吸引[屏蔽词]入坑了。\n\n✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅  \n捅刀帮引[屏蔽词]入坑的4种方式：\n\n1、辱骂你，羞辱你，斯德哥尔摩；\n\n2、对立人设；\n\n3、评联盟，反青藤，长岛等，引共鸣；\n\n4、讨论郭案件\n✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb6f8eb2ae6c12e57d288","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q26b8975943d004c74618","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":241,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-09-13T03:48:12.950Z","text":"检方在量刑文件中的224人做的受害者陈述， 严重有水分： 里面应该有大量的被胁迫/向FBI 报假案的， 之后出现在郭律师的文件中的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7541372566a4fc90fb00","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26b8975943d004c74618","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7541372566a4fc90fb00","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q85013fb49b49d46ef0af","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":242,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T04:03:03.435Z","text":"［用户 beg***］  现在有了螺丝哥跨国胁迫这个抓手 就可以直接要求审查受害人名单","edited":true,"reply_to":"q26b8975943d004c74618","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85013fb49b49d46ef0af","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26b8975943d004c74618","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q0ddeedbe5315be20e73e","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":243,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T04:05:15.013Z","text":"［用户 roy***］ 如果当时托雷斯同意泛化 会如何影响陪审团 检方的叙事会如何崩盘","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ddeedbe5315be20e73e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qadde77654cf066f71137","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":244,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T04:05:39.511Z","text":"［用户 beg***］ 托雷斯不泛化 好像是关键的关键","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qadde77654cf066f71137","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q90f2555e1270d2694598","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":245,"speaker":"_ki***","date":"2026-09-13T04:15:00.062Z","text":"精彩的判断","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90f2555e1270d2694598","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q15b626a54f19c695fa63","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":246,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-13T04:38:37.940Z","text":"黄河边在直播打螺丝哥家里电话","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15b626a54f19c695fa63","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q338e0818db8872fa6f27","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":247,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T04:38:59.506Z","text":"黄河边够意思","edited":false,"reply_to":"q15b626a54f19c695fa63","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q338e0818db8872fa6f27","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15b626a54f19c695fa63","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q3843853f2716f152156d","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":248,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-13T04:39:08.211Z","text":"是的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3843853f2716f152156d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q3f64e22f5dc28fc54d76","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":249,"speaker":"hah***","date":"2026-09-13T04:39:12.498Z","text":"你在南区的法庭文档叫白烂叶，你的discord大号可也是在文档上公示，你有种大号上一下，回我个空消息也行","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f64e22f5dc28fc54d76","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qe45447d95e47f618a116","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":250,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T04:39:36.075Z","text":"以你的水平 还搞起法律文件了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3f64e22f5dc28fc54d76","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe45447d95e47f618a116","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f64e22f5dc28fc54d76","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qfcfea025960ad839e396","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":251,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T04:39:46.256Z","text":"［用户 hah***］ 你找得到在哪个文件？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfcfea025960ad839e396","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q0e2481e71b265844f571","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":252,"speaker":"_ki***","date":"2026-09-13T04:40:05.979Z","text":"打通了吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e2481e71b265844f571","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qd4486314ba91e7454811","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":253,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T04:43:16.853Z","text":"［用户 joh***］  螺丝哥被刑事起诉 他们慌了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4486314ba91e7454811","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q983b1e732df93c941a7e","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":254,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-13T04:44:37.167Z","text":"我的结论是：允许有限泛化，最可能削弱的不是银行流水本身，而是检方把不同证据组织成单一故事的方式——“投诉都来自独立受害者；郭对投诉的怀疑只是掩饰；其隐蔽行为只能说明犯罪”。\n\n辩方可能因此获得一个更有力、也不必指控检察官合谋的回答：\n\n“真实的外部胁迫可能影响部分指控的来源，也可能影响郭的行为动机。请分别审查每项关键陈述的可靠性，不要把投诉数量当成独立印证，也不要把真实恐惧自动解释为有罪意识。”\n\n这足以解释为什么该限制可能具有重要影响；但要论证它改变了裁决，还必须指出：哪项关键证据、哪一个犯罪要素，会因为这个被禁止的合理推论而不再得到排除合理怀疑的证明。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0ddeedbe5315be20e73e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q983b1e732df93c941a7e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ddeedbe5315be20e73e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qc3ea2d9dd46d54078aab","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":255,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T04:46:01.569Z","text":"［用户 roy***］  明白了","edited":true,"reply_to":"q983b1e732df93c941a7e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3ea2d9dd46d54078aab","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q983b1e732df93c941a7e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q89e88d18587cca9ffbc4","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":256,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T04:46:35.226Z","text":"一切都在下周进入结束","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89e88d18587cca9ffbc4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qd2ebcedb8dbda008f8d5","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":257,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T04:46:47.174Z","text":"黄河边真的够意思","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2ebcedb8dbda008f8d5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q92c64b6c146dbf50d657","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":258,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T04:48:55.148Z","text":"［用户 _ki***］ 我说什么？开始卖你爹长岛 王学兵 你不死？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92c64b6c146dbf50d657","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q62c072215e0daef07e9e","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":259,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T04:49:22.760Z","text":"［用户 joh***］ 联盟被逼要向长岛他们出手了","edited":true,"reply_to":"q92c64b6c146dbf50d657","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62c072215e0daef07e9e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92c64b6c146dbf50d657","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q4e86c29f150b9cedc051","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":260,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T04:49:30.489Z","text":"要刺刀见红 杀人放火了！！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4e86c29f150b9cedc051","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q9c58c4e648707548d8eb","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":261,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T04:49:56.354Z","text":"［用户 joh***］  估计就是螺丝哥的事情让他们觉得 不能再坐以待毙了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c58c4e648707548d8eb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qda3ded3f38dc549a39ca","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":262,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-13T05:37:48.227Z","text":"它们这个操作，把自己干的事情，跟第一批诈骗团伙隔绝开来。它们这一批搞的tdccp诈骗，政府没有列到起诉书，没有过审，更没有被法院确认，政府有权不起诉。但第一批的事情就不一样了。然后各农场，推给联盟委员会，说自己只是联盟委员会的小弟。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q92c64b6c146dbf50d657","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda3ded3f38dc549a39ca","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92c64b6c146dbf50d657","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q727437cfb271695fbd16","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":263,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-13T05:39:54.722Z","text":"大家都你指控我，我指控你，真实发生了什么就出来了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q727437cfb271695fbd16","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q0dab53108b90c1605404","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":264,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-13T05:41:39.270Z","text":"把名字都点得很清楚。一直藏得很深的王雪斌都给推出来了。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0dab53108b90c1605404","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q76163630f8718b64d600","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":265,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-13T05:45:45.436Z","text":"王雪斌跟李亚回墙内的话，那夏其东可能成为第一个被推出来的。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76163630f8718b64d600","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q7b552bf4106e399bf9aa","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":266,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T05:46:39.917Z","text":"［用户 reb***］ 螺丝哥一被抓 腥风血雨开始了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b552bf4106e399bf9aa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qc53fd129ed47b8260eb4","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":267,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-13T05:53:53.905Z","text":"青藤敢这么干，可能咨询了律师，当时它主动往里面填了钱，来补那个文信还是谁截留了某个投资者的钱的坑，可以证明自己没有恶意。然后自己没拿钱，只是磐石农场的其它人拿钱，那些人的犯罪行为rico不到它身上。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7b552bf4106e399bf9aa","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc53fd129ed47b8260eb4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b552bf4106e399bf9aa","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q07d3cd641b644a962f1e","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":268,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T05:57:10.346Z","text":"没错 郭案主体他没参与","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07d3cd641b644a962f1e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q752591d3914e83b0deb6","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":269,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T05:57:23.801Z","text":"但是他对于量刑程序的污染 他也得刑事罪","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q752591d3914e83b0deb6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qf2e4934a38cad39cccc8","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":270,"speaker":"xia***","date":"2026-09-13T06:27:10.060Z","text":"螺丝哥呢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2e4934a38cad39cccc8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q23e646ab7c2ff0350925","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":271,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-09-13T07:08:13.340Z","text":"要么自杀 要么升刑事案了 总之短期内再见不到他了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf2e4934a38cad39cccc8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q23e646ab7c2ff0350925","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2e4934a38cad39cccc8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qbeafc710dda5310904f8","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":272,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-09-13T07:08:50.810Z","text":"六个月后看看吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbeafc710dda5310904f8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qdf31304656eb1320735e","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":273,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-09-13T07:09:41.112Z","text":"你们没事儿多给他爹妈打电话问问  除了他俩有可能知道外  别人几乎没戏","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf31304656eb1320735e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q38f64817db4212568088","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":274,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T07:10:31.564Z","text":"你为什么这么关心？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdf31304656eb1320735e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38f64817db4212568088","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf31304656eb1320735e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q8643a49b672332ab52ba","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":275,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T07:10:41.808Z","text":"［用户 cin***］  你知道螺丝哥被抓 你们也都要陪葬","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8643a49b672332ab52ba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qcd213e8378781b8d5138","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":276,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T07:19:12.027Z","text":"［用户 cin***］  需要实证干什么？","edited":true,"reply_to":"q09ccd50d5ea21a3fc22b","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd213e8378781b8d5138","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q72c87b725b64dc72b348","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":277,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-09-13T07:19:22.350Z","text":"内心当然是 又惊愕又焦急哦","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72c87b725b64dc72b348","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qd36a51bbd5f038936298","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":278,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-09-13T07:21:25.662Z","text":"还那句话话，自诉是条正路，你们走对了 没陷进联盟那套里 这很好能帮你们拿回最大限度的钱 但切记 早日回归生活  如果你觉得这能继续救郭 你被斩第二刀的可能性就会大增 [删节：成员身份]  算是我好心劝你们 今天你们不明白 一年 两年 总有天你们能明白 包括那个sb战斗士","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd36a51bbd5f038936298","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q8a613f2805b885ad4e68","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":279,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-09-13T07:21:52.652Z","text":"没有人能在郭蹲十年后还觉得这一切都是真的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a613f2805b885ad4e68","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q2afff3e85651d6259965","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":280,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T07:21:53.844Z","text":"［用户 cin***］ 谁说我们要救郭了？","edited":true,"reply_to":"qd36a51bbd5f038936298","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2afff3e85651d6259965","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd36a51bbd5f038936298","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qf1a51cd3a0a629f97062","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":281,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T07:22:19.686Z","text":"［用户 cin***］ 你这么着急看来是你想救郭啊","edited":true,"reply_to":"qd36a51bbd5f038936298","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1a51cd3a0a629f97062","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd36a51bbd5f038936298","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qd1f9de00aaa4349ec2cb","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":282,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-13T07:39:26.196Z","text":"贵贵诈骗 瑞恩洗白","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1f9de00aaa4349ec2cb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qba1b7e8605715b6b426c","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":283,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-09-13T07:48:54.252Z","text":"郭案不翻，怎么能成为美国司法史上最牛逼的案件呢？你不要搞笑了，郭案那点钱还不够用AI的token费","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd36a51bbd5f038936298","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qba1b7e8605715b6b426c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd36a51bbd5f038936298","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q1d7d7d419a8415cf60b1","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":284,"speaker":"tan***","date":"2026-09-13T07:52:58.163Z","text":"其实最不相信郭先生会牢底坐穿的恰恰是你们这帮砸郭、喊郭骗的中共大外宣。既然法院已经做出有罪判决，量刑30年，这一客观事实还用得着你们天天在这反复重复强调吗？这是得多闲？还是任务需要？是你们自己都不相信他犯罪了，知道他早晚会出来。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd1f9de00aaa4349ec2cb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d7d7d419a8415cf60b1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1f9de00aaa4349ec2cb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q99f500cd725ff84831a4","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":285,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-09-13T08:20:04.199Z","text":"你测过智商吗？ 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也还凑合 不是太惨","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c9899ef9c7cb326fcf3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qb4b489f82f2b783d3d92","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":322,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T10:11:43.275Z","text":"不可能拿回来的 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现在已经不可能进行了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44f1ffda8aed1f3b0cb2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q6ef6c8205e5a43b97ecc","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":326,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T10:13:22.672Z","text":"案面不推翻 蚂蚁一分钱都没有","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ef6c8205e5a43b97ecc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q85283585dc7f816c51d5","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":327,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T10:22:14.652Z","text":"［用户 _ki***］ 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螺丝哥谁啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb4c398947e94081cfa24","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b61a61a4729c6868510","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4c398947e94081cfa24","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qc1e1834eab1b39a6a731","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":330,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T10:24:34.371Z","text":"［用户 _ki***］ 下周真这么重要吗？ 说完我就忘 你倒是记得 你这样的喜国人不被骗 谁被骗？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1e1834eab1b39a6a731","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qa0b7135a5ed6050a8332","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":331,"speaker":"0x_***","date":"2026-09-13T10:26:35.589Z","text":"英喜农场云隐（Lee Chu）在英国皇家法院诉余建民夫妇，这个案件的法庭文件在哪看？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2248c98dfa7744f81c5f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0b7135a5ed6050a8332","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2248c98dfa7744f81c5f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q36492d1f718004ed0df4","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":332,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T10:28:48.042Z","text":"［用户 _ki***］  你就是最大的[屏蔽词] 你看看你青爹是怎么羞辱你岛爹的","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36492d1f718004ed0df4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q768e9ea06d95d69faee5","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":333,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T10:29:11.344Z","text":"［用户 _ki***］ 你岛爹自己蠢 上钩贪钱 你去怪谁呢？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q768e9ea06d95d69faee5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q502671840254c9f21ec6","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":334,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T10:30:15.120Z","text":"［用户 _ki***］ 我说了 你岛爹会被卖 现在就被卖了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q502671840254c9f21ec6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q8cdee1d8667a2470c0b4","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":335,"speaker":"_ki***","date":"2026-09-13T10:30:18.650Z","text":"主犯不骂 盯着下面的小楼咯","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8cdee1d8667a2470c0b4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q0a1d27b4430416300a3a","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":336,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T10:46:03.557Z","text":"［用户 cin***］ 司法局 又不是媒体局 和多少人信你有屁关系啊 真正被蚂蚁洗脑的是你们","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a1d27b4430416300a3a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qb8d0e64176b6bda6b10c","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":337,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-13T10:46:14.444Z","text":"https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Ch/2024/455.html","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8d0e64176b6bda6b10c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qcfdb27f498abe47b8d17","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":338,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-13T10:46:40.970Z","text":"https://juristeca.com/uk/chancery-division-of-the-high-court/sentencias/2024/3/bl-2023-001118-2024-ewhc-455-ch/conclusions","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfdb27f498abe47b8d17","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qc7c0288289a3cfc3d260","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":339,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-13T10:47:36.399Z","text":"查到了。按你提供的当事人线索，这个案件的正式案号是 BL-2023-001118，案名是 Lee Chu v Kin Ming Je & Anor。 已公开的判决可以直接阅读；但起诉状、答辩、证人陈述和银行附件等完整案卷，要通过英国法院的CE-File公众查询系统查取，不能只看判例网站。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa0b7135a5ed6050a8332","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7c0288289a3cfc3d260","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0b7135a5ed6050a8332","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qe276b7b2de4bf0a5e9fa","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":340,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-13T10:47:52.809Z","text":"项目\n\n法院文件中的写法\n\n案号\n\nBL-2023-001118，判决页眉写作 BL 2023 001118\n\n原告\n\nLee Chu\n\n第一被告\n\nKin Ming Je，即文件提到的 William Je\n\n第二被告\n\nSin Ting Rong，文件明确称其为Je的妻子\n\n法院\n\nHigh Court of Justice — Business and Property Courts of England and Wales，Business List／Chancery Division\n\n这两份判决的法官\n\nHHJ Johns 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秃子大卫就出来\n青和余，喜交所，深度绑定\n什么喜交所宣誓书，都是青干的","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb67411b80542972b3e8b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q3e8e55d408b2c4cd164d","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":343,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-13T10:51:25.938Z","text":"这轮最值得正式写进主证据链的一句话是：\n\n外国胁迫线需要从“Torres不让陪审团看到CCP证据”正式改写。原始记录显示Torres其实允许了大量CCP-targeting和victim-coercion证据，Yi甚至把一份由警方逐字指示制作、其本人称fraud描述不准确的FBI/NYAG complaint正式送进了证据记录。真正新的问题发生在sentencing：trial法院曾因为“除出庭者外没有其他complainant证据”而禁止从Yi外推；到2026年Defense却提交了108名被讯问、35名被迫作受骗陈述、7名被迫虚假投诉的具体proffer并要求Fatico。法院拒绝听证后，又直接依赖230多份Government victim statements认定victim enhancement、harassment以及‘over a thousand victims’和严重心理/财务伤害。现在26-1853最有价值的不是重新打trial exclusion，而是查清法院实际依赖的那些statement是否和Defense提出的forced/duplicate universe重叠；一旦重叠，这会从政治背景争议升级为一个具体的Rule 32 / Due Process sentencing-reliability问题。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e8e55d408b2c4cd164d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q9c13d552d8c1d5dbb9db","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":344,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-13T10:56:16.646Z","text":"就是那些量刑时提到的被抓，被训诫，被起诉，被逼做虚假受害陈述，被逼报假案，政府可以说没有做对抗性测试，但你政府那些所谓受害者陈述也没做。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3e8e55d408b2c4cd164d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c13d552d8c1d5dbb9db","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e8e55d408b2c4cd164d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q924c8cae179ad3cb4d55","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":345,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-13T11:01:16.064Z","text":"就算定罪不推翻，把受害者陈述打废，然后再把实际受害金额打到零，刑期可以极大缩短，妨碍司法，现有记录已经可以打掉，抓捕到现在的关押就可以抵扣刑期，现在就可以算刑满释放，然后再打无罪。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q924c8cae179ad3cb4d55","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qa682cafa13d0637197bb","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":346,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T11:02:49.659Z","text":"［用户 reb***］ 是法官先要测试 因为有rule32的硬条件","edited":true,"reply_to":"q9c13d552d8c1d5dbb9db","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa682cafa13d0637197bb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c13d552d8c1d5dbb9db","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q6c0e8e6cf0d0f655292c","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":347,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-13T11:03:33.089Z","text":"然后受害者陈述，发现里面的都是300农场主骨干，这就搞笑了🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9c13d552d8c1d5dbb9db","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c0e8e6cf0d0f655292c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c13d552d8c1d5dbb9db","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qc8d5c9c1b4e86b766bf8","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":348,"speaker":"pus***","date":"2026-09-13T11:06:16.148Z","text":"你也是个残疾，我不信你没给老郭投过钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"q42ccd4a0f7653048bafa","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8d5c9c1b4e86b766bf8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"qf3718dcb8f272559c08a","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":349,"speaker":"pus***","date":"2026-09-13T11:06:47.150Z","text":"正常人谁会给这种诈骗项目投钱，都是一帮残疾智障","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3718dcb8f272559c08a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q213db4c0650255056982","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":350,"speaker":"pus***","date":"2026-09-13T11:07:20.968Z","text":"老郭靠项目赚了钱，骨干们靠项目拿了绿卡","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q213db4c0650255056982","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q1ee84b9d559ab68051f5","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":351,"speaker":"pus***","date":"2026-09-13T11:07:29.145Z","text":"你们有什么","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ee84b9d559ab68051f5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q6a3231c0249d01ab63e7","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":352,"speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-13T11:08:25.045Z","text":"我都搞不明白了，自诉的人是操你们妈了，这么痛恨做自诉的人。既然你们认为没用，那还天天在这里带节奏","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a3231c0249d01ab63e7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q7e3969d98c610948aa05","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":353,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-13T11:08:28.887Z","text":"［用户 pus***］ 看着人家发财拿绿卡 你有什么？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e3969d98c610948aa05","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q94254b35b1a8f3cf98c1","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":354,"speaker":"pus***","date":"2026-09-13T11:08:36.897Z","text":"哈哈哈哈哈哈哈，问题是我一分钱都没损失啊哈哈哈哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94254b35b1a8f3cf98c1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q3daa13771e56933f8908","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":355,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-09-13T11:09:16.108Z","text":"不是所有人都带节奏 你稍微动动脑子行吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6a3231c0249d01ab63e7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3daa13771e56933f8908","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a3231c0249d01ab63e7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158"},{"id":"q3c441b03272c1dc683fc","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":356,"speaker":"cin***","date":"2026-09-13T11:10:44.050Z","text":"我说的很明白 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