{"id":"batch-000161","number":161,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-09-28T06:05:39.256Z","date_end":"2026-10-01T19:08:57.854Z","total_messages":803,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 161 (Sep 28, 2026 – Oct 1, 2026), 803 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Participants debate recent Second Circuit rulings denying motions to recuse the judge and vacate victim-related orders, while evaluating how a newly appointed CJA defense counsel impacts the appeal. Debates focus on ancillary proceedings, the scope and validity of forfeiture orders, bankruptcy settlements, and the $889 million money judgment calculation. Meanwhile, internal community friction intensifies over Hahn's unindicted co-conspirator status and non-prosecution agreement, rumors of Brother Luosi's detention, alleged witness coercion, and farm loan characterizations.","guide_en":[{"title":"Interpretations and Reactions Regarding Second Circuit Rulings Denying Motions to Recuse Judge and Overturn the Case","description":"Participants analyze the Second Circuit's ruling denying motions to disqualify the trial judge and dismiss the case, highlighting specific wording in the decision.","message_ids":["qa02c637e14722ab301bc","qfc40fdac9cf9e9869a1f"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qa02c637e14722ab301bc","summary_en":"kir*** contends that the court order issued on Sep 25, 2026 contains an extraordinary situation."},{"message_id":"qfc40fdac9cf9e9869a1f","summary_en":"kir*** contends that the final sentence of that order is especially significant."}]},{"title":"Discussion on Second Circuit Mandamus Rejection, Final Forfeiture Order Validity, 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sentencing."},{"message_id":"q21b2be59ef3a5f83082e","summary_en":"joh*** argues that prosecutors must meticulously calculate involved sums after sentencing because third-party claims disrupt the government's accounting."}]},{"title":"Scope of Preliminary Forfeiture Order Unsealing, Third-Party Ownership Claims, and Docket Filings","description":"Participants discuss specific docket orders concerning preliminary forfeiture and third-party property ownership.","message_ids":["q3b6443a9fe0a070ee6a1","qd5a6c44fc8f48cf6d7b2"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q3b6443a9fe0a070ee6a1","summary_en":"kir*** describes being unable to understand the court order previously shared in the discussion."},{"message_id":"qd5a6c44fc8f48cf6d7b2","summary_en":"kir*** identifies the document under discussion as Docket 488-720."}]},{"title":"Questioning the Prosecution Settlement with the Bankruptcy Trustee, Victim Statements, and the $889 Million Money Judgment","description":"Participants challenge the prosecution's settlement with the bankruptcy trustee and question the legitimacy of victim impact statements supporting the $889 million money judgment.","message_ids":["qc99b32ae4495d98ce543","qa7dbf65e18f5b659d3d3"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qc99b32ae4495d98ce543","summary_en":"joh*** argues that the prosecution settling with the trustee undermines its own position, leaving it reliant on only 200 victim statements while 6,000 G-Club members remain unacknowledged as victims."},{"message_id":"qa7dbf65e18f5b659d3d3","summary_en":"joh*** contends that most victim statements originated from 300 farm leaders who acted as co-conspirators, questioning what evidence might appear in Docket 853."}]},{"title":"Controversies Surrounding Hahn's Non-Prosecution Agreement, Unindicted Co-Conspirator Status, Testimony, and Farm Funds","description":"Participants dispute Hahn's unindicted co-conspirator status and her statements alleging Chinese government involvement in coordinating non-prosecution 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G-Club are critical because assets are being divided before ownership is determined in the criminal case."},{"message_id":"qe24563ddf4f379139b98","summary_en":"kir*** disputes the premise of the claims, questioning whether an alter ego finding would allow the bankruptcy trustee to pursue assets directly from Guo."}]},{"title":"Disagreements Over Rumors of Brother Luosi's Detention, Factional Disputes, and Accusations of Defection","description":"Participants debate rumors concerning Brother Luosi's detention and disappearance while exchanging mutual accusations of disloyalty.","message_ids":["q8df9f77ef8644ecdcacb","q02a8ba21e04ddfb0706f"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q8df9f77ef8644ecdcacb","summary_en":"him*** contends that anyone unconcerned with Brother Luosi's disappearance is not genuinely dedicated to opposing the CCP."},{"message_id":"q02a8ba21e04ddfb0706f","summary_en":"may*** describes Brother Luosi as dead and recounts being unable to reach him by phone."}]},{"title":"Examination of Trial Records, Analysis of Alleged Witness Coercion, and Characterization of Farm Loans","description":"Participants evaluate trial testimony and court documents regarding alleged witness coercion and analyze how prosecutors characterized farm loans.","message_ids":["q7d2b7289c3c51474d1b3","q6b418bd5aa6f0efbe3a9"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q7d2b7289c3c51474d1b3","summary_en":"roy*** recounts trial transcripts from Jun 6, 2024 and Jun 7, 2024, alongside declarations in Document 822-3 and Document 851, noting that documented pressures on witnesses do not yet substantiate claims that farm leaders were coerced into signing non-prosecution agreements."},{"message_id":"q6b418bd5aa6f0efbe3a9","summary_en":"joh*** argues that legitimate loans were framed as fraud due to missed interest payments and contends that prosecutors strategically portrayed ACA Capital as a family entity to claim funds were used for personal 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hah***］ 你麻痹，报信晚了","edited":true,"reply_to":"qe1b47e603337438c80b1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q67b413a6fcbf385c19d1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1b47e603337438c80b1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qacf63ab7a2f774b3e83f","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":204,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-29T08:06:03.134Z","text":"那个咖啡文乐，就是这样的，姐姐在墙内被控\n按道理，他应该也在中间环节，有拿钱闷钱\n做受害者出庭，换家人安全+不追究闷钱+可能还有奖金","edited":false,"reply_to":"q85189b07d88af386b196","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qacf63ab7a2f774b3e83f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85189b07d88af386b196","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qe4516ddf7b989327c36a","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":205,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-09-29T08:09:46.437Z","text":"她该考虑销户了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q67b413a6fcbf385c19d1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4516ddf7b989327c36a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q67b413a6fcbf385c19d1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q1ca08f5529d5579e37eb","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":206,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-29T08:25:10.452Z","text":"是这个道理，所以我说是草台班子。既然地区法院已经任性最终没收了，就应该撤销最终没收令，强制上传并开启民事附属程序。还要等半年后再看！难道还想给地区法院半年的时间让它自己撤销？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0e8165757b6944073ab8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ca08f5529d5579e37eb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e8165757b6944073ab8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q90b93afa2e17cc6dbee3","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":207,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-09-29T08:25:23.481Z","text":"这几天多看看她的推，该截图的截图，别让她毁尸灭迹了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qacf63ab7a2f774b3e83f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90b93afa2e17cc6dbee3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qacf63ab7a2f774b3e83f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q30563ad30e6b7eea12c4","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":208,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-09-29T08:26:24.907Z","text":"这不是已经给出四个月了吗，有啥区别","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1ca08f5529d5579e37eb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q30563ad30e6b7eea12c4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ca08f5529d5579e37eb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q15849a653aab7e3930c3","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":209,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-29T08:33:00.224Z","text":"正常上诉流程也是半年起步。二巡就是把地区法院的任性当作判决错误来处理。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15849a653aab7e3930c3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qcad5b3a0e383c1243f67","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":210,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-09-29T08:34:08.608Z","text":"这已经三个月过去了，二巡又扔出来个四个月","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcad5b3a0e383c1243f67","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q9b895a5f557fbfc531ef","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":211,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-09-29T08:34:36.893Z","text":"美国法官是觉得自己命长吗？干啥都一直耗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9b895a5f557fbfc531ef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q8589b3f93285c817e581","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":212,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-09-29T08:36:17.703Z","text":"Cja 律师是不是又跟之前那波人一样被淹没在法庭文件里","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8589b3f93285c817e581","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q3baa6558da8be2941013","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":213,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-29T08:37:48.018Z","text":"并且只有一个，不知道怎么回事，是不是只看背后的律师事务所的资源。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8589b3f93285c817e581","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3baa6558da8be2941013","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8589b3f93285c817e581","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q28922888938aa38cf2c2","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":214,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-29T09:33:10.855Z","text":"［用户 joh***］ 这个问题关键 是谁威胁的他","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28922888938aa38cf2c2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q4f3dc20f657caf97ab2a","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":215,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-29T09:34:04.264Z","text":"她是不是把其他农场主 说成是中共威胁他","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f3dc20f657caf97ab2a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qbbb2b023387362d01ed0","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":216,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-29T09:34:34.030Z","text":"让她自己去说🤣 🤣 🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q28922888938aa38cf2c2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbbb2b023387362d01ed0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28922888938aa38cf2c2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qf00a09df246f501cc0d5","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":217,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-29T09:43:44.961Z","text":"是871卷她哈恩进来的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf00a09df246f501cc0d5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q61d521ec16260aa1c7f2","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":218,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-29T09:43:54.096Z","text":"又不能怪这里","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61d521ec16260aa1c7f2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qb7ff6579ffcc0083415c","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":219,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-29T09:44:25.509Z","text":"她拿人投资款，之后去了哪，她要说清楚","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb7ff6579ffcc0083415c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qa0a9986e348097f91596","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":220,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-29T11:27:59.040Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 安小东又开始了，每日泼妇骂街\n可惜再怎么骂，第三梯队也是凉凉\n别人两帮人再怎么咬，也和屁酱这个被踢出去的路人甲，半毛钱关系没有了\nhttps://x.com/anxiaodong777/status/2104871797690917241?s=46","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0a9986e348097f91596","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qa930366db3d2a52618e5","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":221,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-09-29T12:02:54.885Z","text":"有 - 安娜的强制令里 26-1626","edited":false,"reply_to":"q99cee12fcd3d9292315a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa930366db3d2a52618e5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99cee12fcd3d9292315a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qfd3b990ab6abaf6744a6","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":222,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-29T12:05:21.463Z","text":"又是哈恩大[屏蔽词]的推，看到的\n受害者陈述编号，这几个\n问题是，铁血组，本来就是起诉书里的，rico对象啊\n然后量刑时，反过来成了受害者陈述\n这不是奇葩","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd3b990ab6abaf6744a6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qaaeb5481ccaecbb0a1a9","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":223,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-09-29T12:15:08.597Z","text":"签不起诉协议的共谋，李娅在庭审中成了受害人 - 这个点/说法/事实 也是挺震撼。非常奇葩\n\n草根、哈恩都出现在了26-1626 安娜。要求传唤他们","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfd3b990ab6abaf6744a6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaaeb5481ccaecbb0a1a9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd3b990ab6abaf6744a6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qe3417d9f5adc382a0606","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":224,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-29T12:25:08.686Z","text":"只有一个解释，就是检方前期调查，知道这些共谋，除了swift明面查得到的钱，还有查不到的闷钱，对敲\n检方帮共谋掩盖，不在庭审呈现，不冻结共谋个人账号，换共谋做污点证人，指认郭是boss","edited":false,"reply_to":"qaaeb5481ccaecbb0a1a9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3417d9f5adc382a0606","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaaeb5481ccaecbb0a1a9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q608789461be21479cbf6","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":225,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-09-29T12:28:52.193Z","text":"所以 这些检方干的事， 应该被质疑， 有个说法： 违不违法？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe3417d9f5adc382a0606","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q608789461be21479cbf6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3417d9f5adc382a0606","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qcb33f5244e6fbf0c9113","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":226,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-09-29T12:32:14.226Z","text":"-/—-/—-\n\n另外二巡在郭律师上任的当天，否决大多数的强制令及相关内容， 也不是说 上了强制令的人，啥也干不了： 这些人可以把所有上了二巡的内容给郭律师，让他们来打。这可能也是二巡想要看到的，？ 共同审一个案子， 还是审19个+老郭的？ \n\n瑞恩认为也可以自己renew ， 共3次renew","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb33f5244e6fbf0c9113","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q5cf8cfafa700b9b2ed22","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":227,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-29T12:36:12.977Z","text":"二巡又不傻，把这些东西丢进专业的agent，自然知道案子什么鸟样\n漏洞百出的案子，居然能一直推进到量刑\n二巡也不想趟这滩浑水","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcb33f5244e6fbf0c9113","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5cf8cfafa700b9b2ed22","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb33f5244e6fbf0c9113","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qbc060b13d1fda4a7f3f3","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":228,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-09-29T12:36:32.590Z","text":"以前郭就是说过，哈恩是神经病，脑子不好使。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd9eaed0df1dd72ffbf9e","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc060b13d1fda4a7f3f3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q7c0554c9b6f94bc60dd2","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":229,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-09-29T12:46:20.023Z","text":"去年哈恩进了这个群，没呆两天就走了。她一言不发。螺丝哥还找她碰瓷呢。\n露脸挺郭的没有一个是好人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q45b502b8285df3216841","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c0554c9b6f94bc60dd2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q45b502b8285df3216841","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q9f0530d19568de06e619","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":230,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-09-29T12:51:49.397Z","text":"二巡昨天的：否决11个强制令的正式版本， certified.","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f0530d19568de06e619","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qcb957213ca388e8ec625","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":231,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-09-29T12:52:51.229Z","text":"谁在二巡还有文件需要下载？ 我现在正在上面","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb957213ca388e8ec625","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q1b80da1a2ffd4e3b52c1","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":232,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-09-29T12:54:03.766Z","text":"否決上面這11個強制令？什麼意思？請解讀🙏","edited":false,"reply_to":"q36bf1cb23b4e9bf06702","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b80da1a2ffd4e3b52c1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q55c8947e08a43272c288","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":233,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-09-29T12:54:19.068Z","text":"老郭的26-1853 二巡里面没有任何新的内容","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55c8947e08a43272c288","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q1df12f4689019356fe84","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":234,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-09-29T12:56:41.076Z","text":"我的解读就是二巡想让这些人把案件内容都给老郭律师， 让郭律师打。\n\n如果第三方上了二巡的19个人 想自己继续， 也可以。好像是3个礼拜內， file motion for reconsideration","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1b80da1a2ffd4e3b52c1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1df12f4689019356fe84","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b80da1a2ffd4e3b52c1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q6e64735946b0f571c400","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":235,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-29T12:57:06.346Z","text":"昨天有一个命令，批准了原律师退出，然后任命了一个cja律师。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q55c8947e08a43272c288","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e64735946b0f571c400","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55c8947e08a43272c288","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q74c44cd58c210a4a1a1b","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":236,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-09-29T12:57:59.113Z","text":"但是正如瑞恩所说的， 如果老郭律师[屏蔽词]， 那么第三方还是最好自己打","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74c44cd58c210a4a1a1b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qb353964246addb77fd74","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":237,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-29T13:00:48.452Z","text":"可否把任命新律师的那个文件下载下来？谢谢。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcb957213ca388e8ec625","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb353964246addb77fd74","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb957213ca388e8ec625","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qd983c5901e9ae202112b","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":238,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-09-29T13:01:38.332Z","text":"以哪天為基準的三個禮拜？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1df12f4689019356fe84","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd983c5901e9ae202112b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1df12f4689019356fe84","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q5839761da3c2d767aa4f","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":239,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-09-29T13:02:16.133Z","text":"意思就是不想自訴人再繼續了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5839761da3c2d767aa4f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q8df1f2700a0b528dfcc2","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":240,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-09-29T13:02:35.341Z","text":"应该是denied 的那一天。请与书记员确认","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd983c5901e9ae202112b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8df1f2700a0b528dfcc2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd983c5901e9ae202112b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q2da6e7ce0ddcf760bd1e","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":241,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-09-29T13:03:26.883Z","text":"最終沒收令是否已經發出？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2da6e7ce0ddcf760bd1e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q676c90d05ead018a39f8","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":242,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-09-29T13:04:37.436Z","text":"二巡怎么想咱不知道： 但是从二巡的角度看， 他们是希望一个案子还是 19+1？ 尤其是这些法官不是计件工作的😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5839761da3c2d767aa4f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q676c90d05ead018a39f8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5839761da3c2d767aa4f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q6ae9044cc54bc6fd3186","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":243,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-09-29T13:05:25.474Z","text":"这个我不确认","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2da6e7ce0ddcf760bd1e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ae9044cc54bc6fd3186","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2da6e7ce0ddcf760bd1e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q7b757bd4351f34d49813","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":244,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-09-29T13:06:33.361Z","text":"案子到此處似乎是很難再推進了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b757bd4351f34d49813","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q80f7324c7b2b893ea2c2","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":245,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-09-29T13:07:28.216Z","text":"老郭沒有律師，上訴無法推進","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q80f7324c7b2b893ea2c2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q1d39db51dce2206973c4","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":246,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-09-29T13:08:22.378Z","text":"这些二巡的强制令及相关证据， 象拼图一样， 把郭案的真实情况拼的差不多了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d39db51dce2206973c4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qab85297a6c5a6bcef5f0","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":247,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-09-29T13:10:22.394Z","text":"現在在二巡的，如果再上文件是否還要再付$600美元？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1d39db51dce2206973c4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab85297a6c5a6bcef5f0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d39db51dce2206973c4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qb572e2ff3e8b45bf9071","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":248,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-09-29T13:27:32.812Z","text":"不需要。这600 花的很值钱， 给三次机会","edited":false,"reply_to":"qab85297a6c5a6bcef5f0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb572e2ff3e8b45bf9071","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qab85297a6c5a6bcef5f0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q178b55f2a8d170a72ac5","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":249,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-09-29T13:30:51.154Z","text":"我一直有个问题：二巡需不需要第三方亲自出庭，还是书面材料就可以？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q178b55f2a8d170a72ac5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qa4009493f2bffb09c3de","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":250,"speaker":"hel***","date":"2026-09-29T14:07:37.502Z","text":"可以打電話問二巡。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q178b55f2a8d170a72ac5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4009493f2bffb09c3de","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q178b55f2a8d170a72ac5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q0b9d1cb0b5bc908116c8","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":251,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-29T14:09:56.598Z","text":"二巡只回溯程序问题，有材料就够，不需要新证人之类，也不需要交叉问询","edited":false,"reply_to":"q178b55f2a8d170a72ac5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b9d1cb0b5bc908116c8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q178b55f2a8d170a72ac5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q7bf3d65e0720ea42569d","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":252,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-29T14:11:51.849Z","text":"有问题，二巡找南区检方或者defendent证实","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7bf3d65e0720ea42569d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q7c5fe8cb7b3ddc5e6497","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":253,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-29T14:16:21.562Z","text":"南区一直没有在DOJ网站公布最终没收令\n但这里，二巡似乎和南区，冲突了，扯皮🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2da6e7ce0ddcf760bd1e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c5fe8cb7b3ddc5e6497","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2da6e7ce0ddcf760bd1e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qd012f6baf56ff4da6217","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":254,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-09-29T14:16:32.115Z","text":"李娅还可以被再次传唤， 她说她损失钱了 - 是不是假的？检方故意不让陪审团知道她没有损失钱？\n\n哈恩说共产党的人要她签不起诉协议 - 这里面的问题大了： 检方知道不知道？ 有没有披露给被告？ 这又是一个共产党参与案件的一个例子","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe3417d9f5adc382a0606","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd012f6baf56ff4da6217","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3417d9f5adc382a0606","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q90dd946c1d066aab1448","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":255,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-29T14:19:18.524Z","text":"李娅，受害者，投资没有loss，反而有profit，还有未起诉协议里涵盖的她个人公司，收法治基金的钱\n这是哪门子受害者🤣 🤣🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd012f6baf56ff4da6217","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90dd946c1d066aab1448","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd012f6baf56ff4da6217","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qba6c7e9b470ee90d89ea","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":256,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-29T14:24:19.368Z","text":"同理还有那个陈薇，喜币损失了，二级市场的，也能怪到郭头上\n她是长岛农场负责转钱的，中间闷多少钱，查一下个人账户，就知道","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qba6c7e9b470ee90d89ea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qe83aa75c51ffd6be7954","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":257,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-29T14:26:44.480Z","text":"这些人，表面是受害者，其实都有另外一个身份，未起诉共谋","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe83aa75c51ffd6be7954","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q0be9d876fb44b52c6ba7","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":258,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-29T14:27:39.021Z","text":"200多受害者陈述里，许多是农场主骨干，其实都是未起诉共谋","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0be9d876fb44b52c6ba7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q8a46bda39101a0f773bf","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":259,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-09-29T14:29:03.568Z","text":"现在二巡只有Jason 可以说话，","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a46bda39101a0f773bf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q8042b4fc204ed3bb5095","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":260,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-29T14:30:34.674Z","text":"无所谓，这四个月，还有很多事可以做","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8a46bda39101a0f773bf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8042b4fc204ed3bb5095","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a46bda39101a0f773bf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q7d6009aa626a853a5a3f","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":261,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-29T14:31:07.791Z","text":"甚至什么都不做，都可以","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d6009aa626a853a5a3f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qb7eaa60336fd05627146","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":262,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-29T14:32:37.597Z","text":"几帮人互咬，指不定又会出什么大瓜","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb7eaa60336fd05627146","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q194a9f10093032b5f18e","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":263,"speaker":"tia***","date":"2026-09-29T14:42:05.037Z","text":"前几天收到盖尔的一封邮件, 也不知道什末意思? 群里是否有高人分析一下?","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q194a9f10093032b5f18e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qd3f4e0deb6b8ae903d63","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":264,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-09-29T14:42:55.467Z","text":"也不知道是不是习身体真的快不行了，加急清理上海帮才顾不了郭案被这些人互咬","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb7eaa60336fd05627146","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd3f4e0deb6b8ae903d63","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb7eaa60336fd05627146","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qc19dcde2169693b04652","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":265,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-29T14:45:48.763Z","text":"如果真不行，qmay就不会闹这一出了","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd3f4e0deb6b8ae903d63","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc19dcde2169693b04652","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd3f4e0deb6b8ae903d63","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qe1d6743cf49b8bd57990","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":266,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-09-29T15:19:19.602Z","text":"哈恩正道农场主？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfd3b990ab6abaf6744a6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1d6743cf49b8bd57990","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd3b990ab6abaf6744a6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q26dfa563546dc2b9420e","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":267,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-09-29T15:20:53.371Z","text":"这事儿死无对证，除非这帮人把检方咬出来，他们敢吗","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe3417d9f5adc382a0606","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26dfa563546dc2b9420e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3417d9f5adc382a0606","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q4bb888e589a15cb62e39","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":268,"speaker":"ken***","date":"2026-09-29T15:28:36.251Z","text":"她是 韩国 恩典 农场主","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe1d6743cf49b8bd57990","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4bb888e589a15cb62e39","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1d6743cf49b8bd57990","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q71d1e78481651946e651","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":269,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-09-29T15:29:25.154Z","text":"驳回不驳回，律师都可以引用吧？ ［用户 kir***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"qcb33f5244e6fbf0c9113","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71d1e78481651946e651","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb33f5244e6fbf0c9113","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qc9edf4fe86a46f93d70a","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":270,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-09-29T15:29:33.788Z","text":"哦","edited":false,"reply_to":"q4bb888e589a15cb62e39","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9edf4fe86a46f93d70a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4bb888e589a15cb62e39","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q5e4d153cfc1c734665a9","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":271,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-09-29T15:31:42.443Z","text":"所以二巡不是装死，一直在等上诉律师，眼看没戏了，就点名指派了一个？25号到三个月没有？ ［用户 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🤣 🤣","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaca48c6d7a4bff7f1b41","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qfd30c4b5f472c9a991a2","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":315,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-30T01:05:51.196Z","text":"上传这个，南区是妥妥的打自己脸","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd30c4b5f472c9a991a2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qb09265ca37cbb3e1eda9","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":316,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-30T01:06:01.482Z","text":"翻案 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view of the large number of third-party \nsubmissions received by the district court, which we trust the court will address expeditiously, \nPetitioners’ mandamus petitions as to docketing and considering their submissions are denied \nwithout prejudice to renewal if the district court does not docket and begin to consider the \nsubmissions within four months of the date of this order. 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我现在觉得这些853可能不简单","edited":true,"reply_to":"q409a59b3efda8cde3480","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74cb3e9dca237124f3c7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q409a59b3efda8cde3480","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q4febfb04f3c7f26b7b0b","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":362,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-30T02:21:44.920Z","text":"里面可能有大雷","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4febfb04f3c7f26b7b0b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q1d998e86f3a52ead23e4","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":363,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-30T02:21:57.827Z","text":"估计有类似Tony","edited":false,"reply_to":"q74cb3e9dca237124f3c7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d998e86f3a52ead23e4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74cb3e9dca237124f3c7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qccfb71b48623e3127d7e","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":364,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-30T02:22:05.501Z","text":"司法欺诈他们都忍了 853 有什么好扭扭捏捏的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qccfb71b48623e3127d7e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q25e8a73da07b3c5cffac","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":365,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-30T02:22:20.562Z","text":"一旦docket 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order","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2fdb8aec540f4a6fbedb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q3b088674360203a20bc0","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":368,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-30T02:36:05.561Z","text":"［用户 kir***］ 估计853确实出问题了\n866里，南区看得到这些","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b088674360203a20bc0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qbfc18df49e4e56c6154d","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":369,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-30T02:36:28.465Z","text":"我觉得很明显他们卡在这里","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3b088674360203a20bc0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfc18df49e4e56c6154d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b088674360203a20bc0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qee577d4354dc655a0f3a","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":370,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-30T02:37:15.110Z","text":"南区有，那么青联盟，还有 ［用户 him***］ 也看得到","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee577d4354dc655a0f3a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qfcbd49be18811686bfe5","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":371,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-30T02:38:06.574Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 一直在这里强调，第三方，853n只能谈钱\n这不就暴露她内心了\nfile488 720以后，没有docket的第三方，材料里肯定有东西","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfcbd49be18811686bfe5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q3b6443a9fe0a070ee6a1","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":372,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-30T02:39:49.010Z","text":"［用户 joh***］ 你刚才发的那个order我就一直没搞懂","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b6443a9fe0a070ee6a1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qd5a6c44fc8f48cf6d7b2","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":373,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-30T02:40:32.502Z","text":"488-720","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd5a6c44fc8f48cf6d7b2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q90c4686ffa52abad5ffa","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":374,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-30T02:40:36.104Z","text":"不是谁都能看吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90c4686ffa52abad5ffa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qac1e0af9ce69ea45ed5b","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":375,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-09-30T02:40:43.209Z","text":"那个S B最初它总是说 853n 的时候我还以为它是站在客观角度来分析的，当时还把当公的看，没想到！这个家伙最最阴毒！","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfcbd49be18811686bfe5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac1e0af9ce69ea45ed5b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfcbd49be18811686bfe5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q29649cb57a3c6c5aa76a","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":376,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-30T02:41:31.686Z","text":"字面意思是，在488和720，提到preliminary order，随后提交的853\nfinal order要参考这些853，需要redate后，发布","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29649cb57a3c6c5aa76a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q56efed028d12eac4c2cb","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":377,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-30T02:42:37.631Z","text":"不是吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56efed028d12eac4c2cb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q0d63d842c23500256138","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":378,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-30T02:42:45.391Z","text":"意思好像就是488-720","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d63d842c23500256138","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qe38dca99327aa8d08f75","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":379,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-30T02:43:16.126Z","text":"488是王的没收令\n720是郭的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe38dca99327aa8d08f75","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q0c1f39098fe72c31be93","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":380,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-30T02:43:59.756Z","text":"随后是分别开启两次853登记","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c1f39098fe72c31be93","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q7b5adaaad5383fc89268","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":381,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-30T02:44:59.550Z","text":"哦","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b5adaaad5383fc89268","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qd4f7e8efa1333a563a34","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":382,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-30T02:45:54.105Z","text":"明白了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4f7e8efa1333a563a34","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qdda30503bdf550187c11","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":383,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-30T02:46:10.475Z","text":"488-720都是涂黑的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdda30503bdf550187c11","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qf3462c91787d9309adb9","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":384,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-30T02:46:32.434Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 就是劝螺丝哥不要CVRA，很恶毒","edited":true,"reply_to":"qac1e0af9ce69ea45ed5b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3462c91787d9309adb9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac1e0af9ce69ea45ed5b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q96305e42a707d6eb26b3","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":385,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-30T02:47:10.520Z","text":"那我说错了\n720是郭的预没收","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdda30503bdf550187c11","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q96305e42a707d6eb26b3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdda30503bdf550187c11","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q11d9b69095b4aad3a508","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":386,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-30T02:47:42.502Z","text":"这部分材料是王的没收order出来后，上去的\n估计有东西","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11d9b69095b4aad3a508","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"q1a7f6fd4c15d82e05f76","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":387,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-30T02:51:51.603Z","text":"郭的final order如果出，这部分就要全部docket\n还要接收新的853申请，也要docket\n里面在多一些类似Tony 肿么办","edited":false,"reply_to":"q11d9b69095b4aad3a508","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a7f6fd4c15d82e05f76","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11d9b69095b4aad3a508","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"},{"id":"qb25eba7cd7875146880b","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":388,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-30T02:52:55.083Z","text":"意思是针对初步没收令488和720提交的petitions，政府请求有限解封，然后托雷斯批准。这这两个初步没收令 at docket entries numbered \n488 and 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reb***］ ［用户 kir***］ \n原本设定\n诈骗的300人，其中200成了受害者陈述\n被骗的跑去了853，不反对没收，不管是那200多853n，还是盖尔代理的6000，最后被检方打成853i，共谋","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56894d9c9f5beb6840b2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000160","next_batch_id":null}