{"id":"batch-000162","number":162,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-10-03T05:19:22.305Z","date_end":"2026-10-09T20:20:50.773Z","total_messages":1000,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 162 (Oct 3, 2026 – Oct 9, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Participants debated where farm loans, Maywind funds and MOS recoveries went, who could act for investors, and whether the money was included in loss calculations, judgments or forfeiture. They discussed GTV refunds, CVRA claims, appeals and new evidence, while disputing claims about a supposed non-prosecution agreement. They also examined 22-50073, Dkt.5230, CV2024-008429, Filing ID 21604891, and Adv. P. 24-05276, Dkt.37. Other exchanges included unverified accusations about group control and factions.","guide_en":[{"title":"Questions about farm and alliance funds, transfers and investor refunds","description":"joh*** questions expenses, recovered transfers and their treatment in the money judgment.","message_ids":["q6871ffc51507b0d5b1e0","qf9c1ad0a879682209f2f","q9552cd9dcbdb7e969d82"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q6871ffc51507b0d5b1e0","summary_en":"joh*** infers that farm and alliance funds paid for everything except a satellite phone."},{"message_id":"qf9c1ad0a879682209f2f","summary_en":"joh*** contends that money MOS sent Wei was recovered into a Long Island company account and excluded from the $1.4 billion."},{"message_id":"q9552cd9dcbdb7e969d82","summary_en":"joh*** questions why a remaining 30% was excluded when the preceding 70% was counted in the $1.4 billion."}]},{"title":"Maywind farm loans, partial repayment and investment channels","description":"Participants discuss Maywind recoveries, a 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money."},{"message_id":"q85ffe52c7b0855412ad5","summary_en":"joh*** contends that someone who authorized Zhang but received no refund can pursue a claim and describes him as an uncharged co-conspirator."}]},{"title":"Whether CVRA claims could affect final forfeiture and investor rights","description":"joh*** argues that investor claims and existing evidence could affect forfeiture.","message_ids":["qc705e63af8775330dd2f","q21d6bbbf67e0fcd02eb3","q2f73e822ec7183c20575"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qc705e63af8775330dd2f","summary_en":"joh*** argues that Helen's Maywind farm-loan investment supports a CVRA challenge and should be distinguished from other funds."},{"message_id":"q21d6bbbf67e0fcd02eb3","summary_en":"joh*** contends that the evidence already before the Second Circuit is sufficient to renew the claim."},{"message_id":"q2f73e822ec7183c20575","summary_en":"joh*** argues that final forfeiture will be difficult until the approximately $8.13 million is resolved."}]},{"title":"Second Circuit appeals, mandamus and new evidence","description":"Participants discuss appeal eligibility, alternative remedies and the treatment of new evidence.","message_ids":["qe980788b1f7d50d54527","q5c67dff2bda0d4003285","q0d4fdd0af4e59bbf80b2"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qe980788b1f7d50d54527","summary_en":"ntp*** questions whether someone who filed no motion in the Southern District can appeal to the Second Circuit."},{"message_id":"q5c67dff2bda0d4003285","summary_en":"beg*** describes ordinary appeal as a potential alternative to mandamus under 28 U.S.C. § 1651 and § 1291."},{"message_id":"q0d4fdd0af4e59bbf80b2","summary_en":"spr*** argues that new evidence must undergo adversarial testing and cannot simply be treated as part of the trial record."}]},{"title":"Disputes over a supposed non-prosecution agreement and its scope","description":"Participants question an alleged agreement, the money judgment's scope and possible prosecutorial 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forfeiture figures implied an untested alter-ego finding."},{"message_id":"qc59826732f437693b24f","summary_en":"roy*** describes Adv. P. 24-05276, Dkt.37, as a motion to compel and distinguishes the trustee's recovery allegations from established findings."}]},{"title":"Questions and accusations about Luosi Ge's situation","description":"kir*** makes unverified allegations about Luosi Ge and blames other participants.","message_ids":["q96590eeb76f2ca7ee4c3","q5cfbc9706f83f10cc7d5","q017bc5ca70d15d157486"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q96590eeb76f2ca7ee4c3","summary_en":"kir*** speculates that Luosi Ge was killed and blames may*** and him***."},{"message_id":"q5cfbc9706f83f10cc7d5","summary_en":"kir*** accuses may*** of responsibility for a death."},{"message_id":"q017bc5ca70d15d157486","summary_en":"kir*** accuses him*** of killing Luosi Ge and asks why the allegation cannot be made public."}]},{"title":"Claims about real and fake Guo and factional messaging","description":"Participants discuss competing portrayals of Guo and inconsistent messages from 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it."},{"message_id":"qcdf329974f7383f2b5a7","summary_en":"reb*** argues that the loss calculation is unreliable and should be redone using funds tracing."},{"message_id":"q17164a12d5eb2b031e6f","summary_en":"sar*** suggests considering what to do next."}]}],"summary":"参与者围绕郭案及相关资金展开讨论，对农场借贷、Maywind、MOS 回收款和 GTV 公平基金退款的流向、代理权限及投资人分配提出不同看法。有人质疑有关款项是否计入量刑损失、金钱判决或没收清单，也有人提醒区分拟没收与实际没收，并核对投资渠道和实体。法律程序方面，参与者讨论二巡上诉、强制令、新证据、CVRA 主张及其可能影响；对所谓不起诉协议的真实性、资金范围和证人利益披露亦有争议。部分人分享退款和诉讼经历，建议整理材料、追问依据或向议员等方面反映情况。另一些讨论涉及螺丝哥的处境、群组控制权、派系关系及“真假郭”说法，其中包含相互质疑和未经证实的推测。","guide":[{"title":"农场与联盟经费、汇款去向及投资人退款的质疑","message_ids":["q6871ffc51507b0d5b1e0","qf9c1ad0a879682209f2f","q9552cd9dcbdb7e969d82"]},{"title":"Maywind 农场借贷、部分还款与投资渠道的区别","message_ids":["qc0f87a3d7753202c5ba5","q4ea6f3fc851aaf787613","q2e4f1d5f411b52cbf7ef"]},{"title":"金钱判决、量刑损失与没收清单：借贷资金是否计入","message_ids":["qaeac741a5365625af55d","qaa4bd44516ac0ab995c9","q0ab4816d03f44b70d6f3"]},{"title":"民事和解款、MOS 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him***］  ［用户 may***］  杀死螺丝哥的头号凶手 我将举报给FBI","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbb4734ee70a69628d1b3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q6b5ac406ffb11eacdb67","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":802,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-07T22:31:23.655Z","text":"［用户 spr***］ 你就是联盟的洗钱代理","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b5ac406ffb11eacdb67","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q763a25c25c78ef2bed01","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":803,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-07T23:28:38.796Z","text":"https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/2107589529607778556?s=20","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q763a25c25c78ef2bed01","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q49088ab0af1690407f88","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":804,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-07T23:28:42.602Z","text":"Torres","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q49088ab0af1690407f88","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qa889db6f87caa1f5e794","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":805,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-08T00:02:24.194Z","text":"她和阿刁穿一条裤子的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q377c5bf5465964ba4591","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa889db6f87caa1f5e794","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qb1e766bb9d938302badd","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":806,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-08T00:13:51.800Z","text":"这就是瞪眼撒谎了\n不论眼神还是手势\n他也是死士，没有回头路\n成不成，都是死，要么被主子灭口，要么被习那边的势力灭\nhttps://x.com/ddivul8m3g82864/status/2107739615457329495?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb1e766bb9d938302badd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q7eeb9b37a46777707373","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":807,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-08T00:15:42.725Z","text":"［用户 kir***］ 很有可能，AVA被灭口了\n感觉得到青藤，和罗伊，眼神里有恐惧","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7eeb9b37a46777707373","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q97fc918b6b26f967bbe0","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":808,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-08T00:17:16.254Z","text":"谁是[屏蔽词]？","edited":true,"reply_to":"q84129d57a2d6884816b2","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97fc918b6b26f967bbe0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q0324c9d38e0ddad38aa7","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":809,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-08T00:19:01.802Z","text":"这就是 强颜欢笑\n目的是掩饰内心的panic\n青藤，罗伊，哭丧脸\n佳佳反而在笑\n合理吗\nhttps://x.com/ff4hcn/status/2107697845633732827?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0324c9d38e0ddad38aa7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q9aff755a1d4c40b1933e","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":810,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-08T00:19:13.585Z","text":"靠这太假了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0324c9d38e0ddad38aa7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9aff755a1d4c40b1933e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0324c9d38e0ddad38aa7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qc3109f2d3613ee34104a","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":811,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-08T00:20:15.093Z","text":"估计出事了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9aff755a1d4c40b1933e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3109f2d3613ee34104a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9aff755a1d4c40b1933e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q056ef2c37a1f8bf627b4","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":812,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-08T00:20:36.902Z","text":"［用户 joh***］ 你看联盟根本不敢说老郭二巡的事情","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q056ef2c37a1f8bf627b4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q6fd0378a2f493f3f0665","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":813,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-08T00:22:35.190Z","text":"随便哪个人，用agent分析下二巡的内容\n也知道之前几帮人，撒谎了多少","edited":false,"reply_to":"q056ef2c37a1f8bf627b4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6fd0378a2f493f3f0665","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q056ef2c37a1f8bf627b4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q20daf97255c14f55328a","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":814,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-08T00:23:20.765Z","text":"青藤这帮人弄的TD卡，绝对被背后主子骂死，成了案子的关键转折","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20daf97255c14f55328a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q4a7952450a4f13a6bfcf","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":815,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-08T00:24:03.518Z","text":"而且这个事，还是被检方自己，写进822\n青自己[屏蔽词]，没明白TD卡被卷进刑事案，对他意味着什么","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a7952450a4f13a6bfcf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q748c925ebb721c5b3a27","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":816,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-08T00:27:11.939Z","text":"很简单，DOGE查资金，那么长岛时期，青的收款账户，就会暴露，是刑事案共谋\n接着又是青的公司，假用郭的名义，发TD卡，确实是检方说的继续诈骗\nMDC探访记录可查，一出来，刑事案共谋，造假司法系统的记录，背后主子估计都不愿意扛","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q748c925ebb721c5b3a27","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q7a2371499f0e1d57deea","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":817,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-08T00:33:39.279Z","text":"这个视频，重点看他的双手一直在动，不停变换位置\n他的表情，可能还会主动去掩饰\n但是手势，是sub-conscious，类似muscle 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joh***］ 这招想法是好的 但是是有条件的，你必须在只有你一个二巡的时候才能办成","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83692a7e911e387440fe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qdeeb8ae340b520d73cdf","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":830,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-08T02:27:50.022Z","text":"并且没有任何人司法上比你牛逼的时候","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdeeb8ae340b520d73cdf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q2f4aded4e513679e2ad5","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":831,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-08T02:30:27.084Z","text":"二位大妈，就是莫名自信力爆棚","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdeeb8ae340b520d73cdf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f4aded4e513679e2ad5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdeeb8ae340b520d73cdf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q87f7d589a4df2ad71ad8","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":832,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-08T02:31:15.583Z","text":"头铁，一人刚三","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q87f7d589a4df2ad71ad8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q79839749d1afe763c411","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":833,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-08T02:43:53.185Z","text":"屁酱就是看到这张图把你扫地出门","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79839749d1afe763c411","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qba2a26a967e0e637dec1","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":834,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-08T02:44:37.782Z","text":"屁酱被你拖下水变成犯罪分子 ［用户 hah***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qba2a26a967e0e637dec1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q31b2af013d61cc0e4d7e","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":835,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-08T02:51:48.129Z","text":"这个完整截图留着\n［用户 hah***］ 你的联盟，你的喜国，出了内鬼，这个内鬼，就是 ［用户 may***］\n[删节：成员身份]，就是喜国和自诉群的联系\n[删节：成员身份]自己说的，他生是喜国人，死是喜国鬼，但是也做了自诉，又想上二巡，同时又反青藤，不是正好嘛🤣 🤣 🤣","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q31b2af013d61cc0e4d7e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q82051b1a97f841a6c3cf","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":836,"speaker":"xia***","date":"2026-10-08T03:12:00.644Z","text":"螺丝哥出来了吗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82051b1a97f841a6c3cf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qc0f89020edc2574a966b","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":837,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-08T03:38:15.459Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 安小东Anthon团队，负责发推的，估计跑路了\n文字写出来，不带审核的，完全是应付了事，混每日KPI\nhttps://x.com/anxiaodong777/status/2107939176629105044?s=46","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0f89020edc2574a966b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q1e267b66fb05797978ba","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":838,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-08T03:41:32.289Z","text":"［用户 kir***］ 现在的qmay，就是抢了第三梯队的生意","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e267b66fb05797978ba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q24185bb480cfc1e21dbb","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":839,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-08T03:41:45.207Z","text":"哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1e267b66fb05797978ba","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q24185bb480cfc1e21dbb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e267b66fb05797978ba","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q70e3919e89ca103357ee","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":840,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-08T03:47:51.140Z","text":"又被扣逼霉抢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q70e3919e89ca103357ee","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q9ebc8b34b21f50371dca","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":841,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-08T03:56:16.839Z","text":"原本这个活，是屁酱第三梯队干，赶走青藤，装着骂长岛青藤，堆人设，然后一边骂习一边舔，当墙头草，这样可以进退自如\n对内割韭菜，向背后主子要经费，对外还能继续利用喜国和郭，当筹码与习谈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ebc8b34b21f50371dca","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q54a55c2335bb5220e005","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":842,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-08T04:02:28.412Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 安小东天天发推骂谁，骂什么内容，都是你内心的reflection，暴露intention。即使你训练的agent，也抹不掉这个trace。","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54a55c2335bb5220e005","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qc01a90ca32311a8d7cfe","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":843,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-08T04:41:07.872Z","text":"这就是明显的，两头踩\n先舔一波习，看对方反应，谈投诚待遇\n然后再踩一波，提醒一下，筹码是喜国和郭，再和原来背后的主子谈条件，要加钱\n这原本是屁酱的活啊🤣 🤣 🤣 ［用户 him***］ \nhttps://x.com/q_may_007/status/2107886585425367072?s=46","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc01a90ca32311a8d7cfe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qd0d34316798c72220b37","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":844,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-08T05:36:25.664Z","text":"哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc01a90ca32311a8d7cfe","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd0d34316798c72220b37","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc01a90ca32311a8d7cfe","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qc97b88549798bd864546","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":845,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-08T14:59:59.079Z","text":"你不也被骗了？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8a83cd37f192308f33f1","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc97b88549798bd864546","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q5f47277afd24f54fa8ef","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":846,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-08T15:00:10.177Z","text":"被骗 是致富的开端","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f47277afd24f54fa8ef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q6cb9b7c1bec758db1902","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":847,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-08T15:00:30.928Z","text":"胡扯","edited":false,"reply_to":"qeadd0ce2d1f7f7fd8a61","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6cb9b7c1bec758db1902","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q0231571499b8337bbe37","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":848,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-08T15:00:40.070Z","text":"你投了几百万","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0231571499b8337bbe37","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qd48e2208484479b5c64d","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":849,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-08T15:01:07.375Z","text":"［用户 _ki***］ 面对自我","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd48e2208484479b5c64d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qf94f8bb6dd8d749b8c16","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":850,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-10-08T16:58:13.382Z","text":"有的人害怕就是笑，控制不住的那种","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0324c9d38e0ddad38aa7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf94f8bb6dd8d749b8c16","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0324c9d38e0ddad38aa7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qc0218c2424f881c8a632","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":851,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-08T22:46:16.551Z","text":"https://x.com/Qiqi7877/status/2108155037369454761?s=20","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0218c2424f881c8a632","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q592bd31b954fed6a4dc1","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":852,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T00:05:07.394Z","text":"［用户 roy***］ \n有空能不能用agent跑一下，长岛在成为刑事案（包括农场借贷farm loan）未起诉共谋后，未向投资farm loan的委托人披露，而是继续代理向maywind索要800w的fsrm loan投资，是不是重大利益冲突\n同理，张永兵在成为刑事案（包括GTV，而且在王案被定罪）未起诉共谋后，未向GTV公平基金退款的委托人披露，而是继续代理，接收退款，这是不是重大利益冲突\n然后是魏丽红，因为farm loan被定罪，那么魏与长岛和解的800w，也属于涉案资金，她和解，表明maywind侵吞这部分钱，与庭审证词描述的，进入maywind的farm loan，都汇到了ACA cspital，为郭家族所用，叙事冲突\n三个人，都有做假证，对刑事案的量刑，涉案资金总额，被告个人金钱判决，都有影响\n不起诉协议，是不是无效？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q592bd31b954fed6a4dc1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qc031dcf4c33f16459ecf","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":853,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T00:06:13.869Z","text":"就和我给检方 托雷斯社的局一样","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc031dcf4c33f16459ecf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qcaedf43200b56ebd0f14","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":854,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T00:06:25.524Z","text":"南区法院被一个渣男用操学打爆了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcaedf43200b56ebd0f14","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q9980f7843f6721217ff1","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":855,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T00:08:43.727Z","text":"［用户 sar***］  现在火要烧到二巡后院了🤣","edited":true,"reply_to":"q473f3c393fec499b6a72","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9980f7843f6721217ff1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qe7e3a6e80d10385064cf","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":856,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T00:09:05.729Z","text":"大家可以学一下 操学","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe7e3a6e80d10385064cf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qd942d8ea946147e2f0dd","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":857,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T00:17:42.235Z","text":"可以问问","edited":false,"reply_to":"q592bd31b954fed6a4dc1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd942d8ea946147e2f0dd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q592bd31b954fed6a4dc1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qe7f949a8f4fdf3c2cbc6","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":858,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T00:25:11.766Z","text":"唐平也能扒，重点是25年她接受法治基金的30w，汇款签字人好像是长岛，那时候他在刑事案的身份，也有利益冲突\n这个被luc在破产案里追","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd942d8ea946147e2f0dd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe7f949a8f4fdf3c2cbc6","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd942d8ea946147e2f0dd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qa6c016156d253b977619","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":859,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T01:50:20.628Z","text":"是不是就是孔子学院拉二胡的？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q20ba5efde09d039672fa","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa6c016156d253b977619","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qa104fce7cd911cb5cfd2","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":860,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T03:05:43.021Z","text":"澳洲安红的农场，怕也要反水\n似乎不是青联盟一路人\n长岛和青联盟，彻底沦为背锅侠了\nhttps://x.com/fengyunshe/status/2107263776516984938?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa104fce7cd911cb5cfd2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qf161b04d2e0ef93bc1b9","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":861,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T03:08:57.453Z","text":"［用户 kir***］ 估计长岛那届的张永兵 木兰 九指妖 英国大卫，到青联盟的骨干，都会被卖掉\n反习，搅合郭案，做伪证，都是前两届人干的，喜国要和他们切割","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf161b04d2e0ef93bc1b9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q0925469414f0f918b219","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":862,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-10-09T03:13:06.845Z","text":"有很多，我弄了发文本","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0925469414f0f918b219","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qa227e378b358767ccdba","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":863,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T03:13:31.161Z","text":"［用户 ntp***］ 关于张永兵，合同有没有写这些？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa227e378b358767ccdba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q56959da8bfd2160cf930","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":864,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-10-09T03:15:54.310Z","text":"我觉得二巡律师现在也都是用AI来看文件，不可能一个个文件自己去看，AI走一圈，问题都会发现","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56959da8bfd2160cf930","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qb66febd28a2e9cdd8a5a","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":865,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T03:16:05.695Z","text":"［用户 beg***］ 关于长岛的","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb66febd28a2e9cdd8a5a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q80cdd8636705aafee84c","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":866,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-10-09T03:16:20.589Z","text":"**找到了 ECF803-1 的36页资金汇总图，下一步需要的银行证据编号也已定位。** 但目前仍未完成813.6万美元与刑事金额的逐笔对应。\n\n这份图表有三个关键点：\n\n| 位置 | 图表内容 | 对这次核查的意义 |\n|---|---|---|\n| 第2页 | Farms 总额标为 **1.10亿美元** | 不能把它与进入 ACA 的7,700万美元混为一谈 |\n| 第8页 | Farms→ACA 为 **7,700万美元**，另列“其他入款”；标题为“部分资金流” | 这不是声称覆盖全部 Maywind 资金的完整账本 |\n| 第36页 | 列出第8—12页使用的银行证据编号 | 可以据此向底层流水追查，而非仅比较两张汇总图 |\n\n这些内容来自[ECF803-1资金图表原件镜像](https://nfsc.press/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/803-1.pdf)。其可搜索文字未找到 Maywind、Aeon 或 G-Service；**这只能说明图表没有直接给出我们要的对应关系，不能证明底层计算遗漏了它们。**\n\n另一个必须正面处理的问题是：**钱最后去了别人那里，不足以单独证明郭从未取得或控制过它。** 检方在 ECF803 第7页明确主张，即使只是暂时控制，也可能支持没收；这是控方提出的法律论证，需要结合具体适用的没收条款和证据审查。[ECF803](https://nfsc.press/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/803.pdf)\n\n因此，你的线索现在应拆成三个可检验的问题：\n\n- **计算问题：** 813.6万美元对应的原始款项，是否计入 Farms 总额？是否重复计入其他项目？\n- **控制问题：** 若计入，证明郭取得或控制这些具体款项的证据是什么？不能只看最后收款人。\n- **回收问题：** 民事追回后，款项付给了谁？这对损失、没收计算或判决抵偿分别有什么影响？\n\n目前最准确的研究结论是：**已经找到核对入口，尚未证明重复计算或错误归属。** 缺口是第36页所列银行证据，以及 MOS 两笔回收对应的原始汇款日期、账户和交易记录。没有这些，直接从8.89亿美元减去813.6万美元，会把尚未证实的重叠当成事实。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q80cdd8636705aafee84c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q566d22eb601d1caabcfc","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":867,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-10-09T03:17:50.629Z","text":"**又找到一条更接近“追回款是否真正返还投资人”的线索，但它目前是当事人的书面指控，还不是法院认定。**\n\n破产案 **22-50073，Dkt.5230，2026年4月7日提交，第18页**，Fanggui Zhu 主张：Maywind 资金经 G-Service 转给 MOS 后，包括其本人在内的部分 Maywind 投资人，在另一场分配程序中被以“资金已耗尽”“超过期限”为由排除。文件具体指向：\n\n**Maricopa County，CV2024-008429，Filing ID 21604891，第14页。**\n\n这提供了可以继续核对的案号和文件编号；我尚未取得该分配报告，不能确认排除理由、涉及金额，或它与813.6万美元的具体关系。[Dkt.5230原件](https://document.epiq11.com/document/getdocumentbycode?docId=4569007&projectCode=HTT&source=DM)\n\n它使你的疑点变得更具体：**如果 MOS 以某投资人的债权取得回收款，而该投资人随后又因“这部分资金已经分配”无法直接追偿，就必须核对 MOS 是否对其负有结算、分配或说明义务。** 这是待验证的分析路径，不能先认定发生侵占。\n\n另外，两笔回收的时间需要分别处理：\n\n| 回收款 | 民事裁定记载的时间 |\n|---|---|\n| G-Service：350.8872万美元 | 2023年11月7日付款 |\n| Aeon：463.041658万美元 | 伊利诺伊州法院于2024年2月13日命令付款 |\n\n两者都早于郭案2024年6月相关庭审，但**仅凭时间先后，不能证明检方知道具体回收情况，也不能证明某位证人故意隐瞒**。[民事裁定，第4—5页](https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCOURTS-azd-2_21-cv-01497/pdf/USCOURTS-azd-2_21-cv-01497-21.pdf)\n\n现在需要补齐的证据已经明确：\n\n- **债权转让或委托协议：** MOS取得的是完整债权，还是代投资人追款的权限？\n- **回收款分配账目：** 谁的本金形成了回收请求，谁最终收到多少钱？\n- **上述分配报告：** 是否确实因为先前向MOS付款而排除了同一批投资人？\n- **披露记录：** 夏其东、张永兵向有关客户说明过哪些自身利益或责任风险？\n\n**这条线目前更直接支持调查代理、债权和退款分配问题。** 要进一步影响郭的定罪或金额，仍须把同一投资人、同一笔钱、具体庭审陈述及刑事计算条目连接起来；目前还没有证据完成这一步。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q566d22eb601d1caabcfc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q9549443cec9524d73209","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":868,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-09T03:17:51.189Z","text":"Arizona的法官在法庭文件中说，他代表MOS /他自己要的钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf104e813c7547bc98b2c","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9549443cec9524d73209","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q1a031d23358c0ed84828","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":869,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-09T03:18:16.631Z","text":"他拒绝提供投资人名单","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a031d23358c0ed84828","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q3004fd6279f5d42eb747","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":870,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-10-09T03:18:38.195Z","text":"**对，你指出的这点有明确原文支持。我前面把“代投资人追款”作为分析主线，不够准确，应当纠正。**\n\n亚利桑那案 **Dkt.157，第11页脚注13**，法官明确写道：\n\n> “Plaintiff may not recover for other unidentified investors, it may only recover for itself.”\n\n意思是：**原告不能为其他身份不明的投资人追偿，只能为自身追偿。** 这里的原告是 **Mountains of Spices LLC（MOS）**，“自身”指MOS公司，不能直接等同于夏其东个人。[法院裁定原文](https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCOURTS-azd-2_21-cv-01497/pdf/USCOURTS-azd-2_21-cv-01497-21.pdf#page=11)\n\n同一脚注还有两个重要细节：\n\n- MOS称其在其他法院追讨“成员”的资金；法官指出，MOS此前为证明管辖权称自己只有一个成员，因此这些“成员”是谁并不清楚。\n- MOS只证明向Maywind转了 **455万美元**，却在其他法院收回超过800万美元，法官明确质疑是否已经重复受偿。法院最终认定本案判决已经清偿，禁止未经许可继续追收。[同一裁定，第11、13页](https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCOURTS-azd-2_21-cv-01497/pdf/USCOURTS-azd-2_21-cv-01497-21.pdf#page=11)\n\n**所以，准确的问题应当改成：MOS在本案以自己的损失索赔，在其他程序又以什么权利依据取得超出455万美元的回收款？**\n\n这比笼统说“夏代表投资人拿回钱却不分配”更符合现有裁定。但这份裁定也没有认定全部回收款属于夏个人，或裁定其他法院的回收违法；那仍要查另外两案的请求和付款依据。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9549443cec9524d73209","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3004fd6279f5d42eb747","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9549443cec9524d73209","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qe538dfcde9ea43488baa","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":871,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-09T03:21:01.772Z","text":"这个我在二巡有保存记录 - 打了alter ego； 但是真正疼的点 没说出来。10/15 后后， 看我扒他们的皮 😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3004fd6279f5d42eb747","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe538dfcde9ea43488baa","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3004fd6279f5d42eb747","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qa06b92be4f2c407ceaae","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":872,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T03:22:19.208Z","text":"这是检方和长岛的问题\n最后一条，影响案子的涉案金额，个人金钱判决","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa06b92be4f2c407ceaae","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q43603b5481bbf9b95f61","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":873,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-10-09T03:23:30.884Z","text":"截图中对方说“这是检方和长岛的问题”，是在强调：刑事金额怎么算，应追问检方；MOS凭什么收款、收款后如何处理，应追问夏其东及MOS。 这个调查方向合理，但三项问题的责任主体要分开：\n- 是否计入Farms总额、是否重复计算： 核查检方计算表及底层银行证据。\n- 郭是否取得或控制这些钱： 核查检方据以归责于郭的具体证据，不能仅凭钱经过某个实体就下结论。\n- 追回款付给谁、依据什么权利领取： 核查MOS、付款实体及相关法院的记录。是否还须向个人投资人分配，要看合同和债权关系。\n截图没有增加新证据，但指出了我们应当向哪一方的材料追查。 我此前列这三个问题，是审查方向，不是已经证明检方算错或夏其东侵占。接下来应把 MOS向法院说明收款依据的文件，与检方把同笔资金归入郭责任金额的文件对照；两边若存在实质矛盾，才是能提交给律师评估的具体问题","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43603b5481bbf9b95f61","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q6e82bc95fa069284692a","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":874,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-09T03:28:19.218Z","text":"老郭法庭文件834 或者是822 是不是说外面有100 million 没被收缴？ 在9指 夏 Kyle Bass 等手里？\n\n\n如果说夏 9千万这个数 - 上面提到的， 再加上其他的 是不是就对上了？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e82bc95fa069284692a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q2696adfeabb5f652cd33","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":875,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-09T03:30:36.730Z","text":"…………\n\n另外一个有意思的事， 前attorney general Bill Barr, 与 Pompeo 在Texas 成立了一个律师事务所。 Bass 也在Texas。 Bill Barr Pompeo 都是深层政府的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2696adfeabb5f652cd33","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q0fb3c0e19a0f39d51999","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":876,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-10-09T03:32:03.229Z","text":"明白，**“九指”是魏丽红**，我按这个身份核对。\n\n**目前没有在833、834中找到“另有1亿美元未收缴，留在魏丽红、夏其东和Kyle Bass手里”的对应表述。** 找到的是几个不同口径的数字，暂时不能相加核账。\n\n| 数字 | 文件实际说什么 |\n|---|---|\n| **1亿美元** | 833叙述2020年转入Hayman的原始投资，并称后来亏损约3,000万美元、相关剩余资金经SEC和解返还。这不是“现仍持有1亿美元”的余额说明。 |\n| **9,500万美元** | 834中，辩方主张部分G Club付款使用HDO/HCN，可能与Himalaya Exchange入款重复计算。这是重复计算异议，不是未收缴资产清单。 |\n\n两份分别是**检方量刑意见和辩方回复**，上述论述不能都当成法院认定。[833，PDF第10—12页](https://nfsc.press/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/833.pdf#page=10)、[834，PDF第11页](https://nfsc.press/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/834.pdf#page=11)\n\n**“夏9,000万美元”这一步尤其需要纠正。** 亚利桑那裁定所述，是MOS起诉材料声称 **Maywind和Sara累计收到约4,400万至9,000万美元**，不是法院认定夏其东持有9,000万美元。这还是缺席判决背景下转述的诉状内容。[Dkt.84，第2页](https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCOURTS-azd-2_21-cv-01497/pdf/USCOURTS-azd-2_21-cv-01497-7.pdf#page=2)\n\n因此，**9,000万减去813.6万，再加其他金额，即使接近1亿，也不能证明“对上了”**：前者是所称累计入款，813.6万是后来回收款，Hayman的1亿是另一项原始投资。必须先排除同笔资金在不同账户间转移造成的重叠。\n\n关于Barr、Pompeo，查到的官方资料也需要修正：\n\n- Torridon Law由 **William Barr和Ted Ullyot**创办；\n- Pompeo于 **2025年6月12日加入，身份是Of Counsel**；\n- 官方资料指向 **Washington, D.C.**，并不支持“Barr和Pompeo在Texas共同创办律所”的说法。[律所创办人说明](https://www.thetorridongroup.com/consulting/news/torridon-law-pllc-announces-major-expansions)、[Pompeo加入公告](https://www.thetorridongroup.com/consulting/news/former-secretary-of-state-and-cia-director-mike-pompeo-joins-torridon-law-and-torridon-group)\n\n我没有查到这家律所与上述回收款之间的代理或资金联系。“深层政府”这一政治判断，也不能代替具体的委托协议、付款记录或案卷证据。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0fb3c0e19a0f39d51999","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q77fb0e42b64b68332034","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":877,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T03:32:06.099Z","text":"MOS代表自身公司，汇给maywind是455万，这是MOS农场的所有权，maywind已经返还\n同时MOS代理其他汇给maywind其他农场的farm loan投资，诉讼魏，这部分有400w，但G service和 Aeon，退给了MOS公司一共813w\n长岛一共收到 1268w\n问题是，455+400 这都是farm loan投资，在刑事案已经被定罪\n这部分钱，第一，有没有算进farm loan涉案金额？第二，有没有算入个人金钱判决？第三，有和解与资金返还，意思就是上述三个公司，承认收到了farm laon资金，并没有汇入aca capital，那么这部分损失，应该谁担责？\n［用户 roy***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"q3004fd6279f5d42eb747","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77fb0e42b64b68332034","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3004fd6279f5d42eb747","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q425883fd81954cdacae8","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":878,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-10-09T03:33:11.208Z","text":"**Barr与Pompeo确实在同一家律所，但“在Texas共同创办”与目前查到的资料不符。**\n\nTorridon Law由 **Bill Barr和Ted Ullyot**创办；Pompeo于2025年6月加入，担任 **Of Counsel（顾问律师）**。官方资料列的是华盛顿特区。[创办人公告](https://www.thetorridongroup.com/consulting/news/torridon-law-pllc-announces-major-expansions)、[Pompeo加入公告](https://www.thetorridongroup.com/consulting/news/former-secretary-of-state-and-cia-director-mike-pompeo-joins-torridon-law-and-torridon-group)\n\n你关注的是：**这些人的政府背景、人脉与Bass之间，是否存在影响郭案的具体关系。** 这可以作为调查问题，但“深层政府”是政治标签，不能当成已经证实的组织关系；同在一个州也不足以建立关联。\n\n对郭案真正有用的连接证据，会是 **Torridon是否代理Bass或Hayman、是否收取相关费用，以及是否参与郭案、SEC和解或资金处置**。目前我没有查到这些连接，不能据此推断他们共同操控案件或保护涉案资金。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2696adfeabb5f652cd33","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q425883fd81954cdacae8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2696adfeabb5f652cd33","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q78feed780239739c0a70","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":879,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-09T03:34:43.009Z","text":"我说的深层政府那部分 完全是阴谋论😂  不会在法庭文件中的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q425883fd81954cdacae8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q78feed780239739c0a70","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q425883fd81954cdacae8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qdf20e28b9883baaba904","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":880,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-09T03:38:13.263Z","text":"夏收到多少 不重要！ 重要的是 这件事说明了几个问题 1）9指、夏 有权出庭代表MOS/收款的公司 - alter ego 不成立 2） 检方呢？ 为什么投资人的借款待遇不同？ 为什么不没收？ 有没有给郭定罪？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcc666ea87f9346c68eaa","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf20e28b9883baaba904","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q5c5eacd10e093062dc9d","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":881,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-10-09T03:39:44.349Z","text":"你这条论点最有力的表达应当是：\n如果检方把这些具体款项计入郭取得或控制的犯罪所得，就应核对：支持这一归责的证据，如何与MOS独立索赔、收款和处分资金的记录相容。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qdf20e28b9883baaba904","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c5eacd10e093062dc9d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf20e28b9883baaba904","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qa302613520334f799e70","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":882,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-09T03:39:52.512Z","text":"3） 未起诉共谋， 与检方的协议 是什么？ 用投资人的钱 收买吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa302613520334f799e70","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q44f6a543ed00f1c2abd8","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":883,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-10-09T03:41:25.033Z","text":"**你问的是：检方是否以“不起诉、允许保留投资人的钱”为交换，取得对郭不利的配合。这是需要查协议和披露记录的具体问题，但目前没有证据证明存在这种交易。**\n\n首先，**“未起诉共谋者”不等于“已经与检方签了协议”**。可能有不起诉协议、合作协议或豁免，也可能尚未起诉而没有协议。我们目前仍未取得夏其东、魏丽红、张永兵各自的协议原文，不能确定条款，更不能确定存在“不追缴资金”的承诺。\n\n其次，**不予起诉与允许保留资金是两回事**。不起诉安排可以要求如实合作，也可能附带退还、没收财产等条件；必须逐人查看覆盖哪些行为、哪些财产，以及违反条件的后果。司法部政策要求记录此类安排，并处理相关披露义务。[司法部《联邦起诉原则》](https://www.justice.gov/jm/jm-9-27000-principles-federal-prosecution)\n\n如果确有“保留款项换取配合”的安排，最重要的核查是：\n\n- **钱是否属于投资人或可没收财产？**\n- **检方是否承诺不追缴，还是仅仅尚未追缴？**\n- **受益人提供了什么证言或证据？**\n- **有关利益是否向辩方披露？**\n\n**若政府证人获得了影响可信度的利益或不起诉承诺，隐瞒这些安排可能产生Giglio问题。** 但是否足以撤销定罪，还要审查重要性；合法的如实合作安排也不能直接称为“收买伪证”。[最高法院Giglio判决](https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/405/150)\n\n这次还找到一个新线索：**ECF871第11—12页的第三方申请，已经提出“不起诉安排与未追回投资款”的相似质疑。** 但这是申请人的指控，不是协议原件或法院认定，不能反过来当成指控属实的证明。[ECF871文字镜像](https://mubeitech.com/en/court/court_sdny_871_0)\n\n因此，现在应当追查的是：**有没有书面或口头的财产利益承诺、是否披露，以及它是否影响了用于定罪或计算金额的证据。** “没有起诉＋钱没有追回”足以提出疑问，尚不足以证明检方用投资人的钱收买了谁。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44f6a543ed00f1c2abd8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qc14129b3d2994cbf201d","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":884,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T03:45:52.630Z","text":"［用户 roy***］ \n我问的，可能和 ［用户 beg***］ 有重复\n简单说就是\nfarm loan MOS的455w+其他授权给MOS代理的400w\n最终走向是在长岛那里","edited":true,"reply_to":"q77fb0e42b64b68332034","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc14129b3d2994cbf201d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77fb0e42b64b68332034","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q7f2ca13018c9f2344ef5","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":885,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-10-09T03:47:16.299Z","text":"这张截图补充了关键意思：**你关注的是资金最后到了夏其东控制的MOS，而不是仅仅比较数字。**\n\n按截图提出的说法，两组钱是：\n\n**MOS自身借款455万美元＋其他人授权MOS追讨的约400万美元 → 回收款进入MOS → 是否向对应投资人分配？**\n\n目前法院记录确认MOS收到813.63万美元；**“全部由夏个人取得”“其他投资人没有收到分配”仍需银行及分配账目证明**。公司收款与个人占有要区分。\n\n这条线真正要追的是：**MOS以什么资格收取每部分款项、夏有何处分权限，以及款项后来去了哪里。** 如果MOS受托收款却未按约分配，可能形成独立的责任问题；若这些同笔资金又被归入郭取得或控制的金额，就需要对照检方证据，检验归责是否一致。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc14129b3d2994cbf201d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f2ca13018c9f2344ef5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc14129b3d2994cbf201d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q2279a181ae83d6511c9e","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":886,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T03:48:59.313Z","text":"对的，就是归责的问题\nMOS收到farm loan的退款813w，可是夏却发推说，资金仍然被冻结\n这个独立责任，是刑事责任，因为farm loan已经被定罪量刑，不是简单的民事\n那么长岛，当然要被拉回这个刑事案，成为独立被告","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7f2ca13018c9f2344ef5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2279a181ae83d6511c9e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f2ca13018c9f2344ef5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qbf2685f2bad78db82b35","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":887,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-09T03:54:48.605Z","text":"还有一个问题： 检方说借款是g enterprise 犯罪集团的一部分没收范围， 那么9指有什么权利在民事案件中和解？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf2685f2bad78db82b35","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qb177be42da94a551517c","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":888,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-10-09T03:55:35.005Z","text":"**魏丽红可以就自己的民事责任达成和解，但她不能凭私人和解处分美国政府的没收权，也不能替其他投资人放弃权利。** 所以，“有权和解”与“有权把这笔钱转给MOS”是两个问题。\n\n如果**同一笔款项确实属于依法应没收的财产**，RICO没收法规定政府的权利可追溯至产生没收依据的犯罪行为发生时；后来转给第三人，也可能仍被追缴，同时须审查第三人的优先权或善意购买等保护。**没有冻结命令，不等于资金当然可以合法自由处分。** 我上一条过于聚焦冻结命令，这一点需要补充。[18 U.S.C. §1963(c)、(l)](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1963)\n\n不过，我们已经查到的亚利桑那记录需要准确表述：**明确记载的和解是MOS与Qisheng Chen之间；对魏丽红则是缺席判决，后来因G-Service、Aeon回收款而被认定已清偿。** 目前还没有证实“魏丽红签订和解，把813.6万美元交给MOS”。[Dkt.134，第1、3页](https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCOURTS-azd-2_21-cv-01497/pdf/USCOURTS-azd-2_21-cv-01497-16.pdf)、[Dkt.157，第10—13页](https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCOURTS-azd-2_21-cv-01497/pdf/USCOURTS-azd-2_21-cv-01497-21.pdf)\n\n**你提出的核心质疑是成立的调查方向：如果检方将这些具体款项归入G Enterprise的可没收财产，为何又允许其通过民事程序支付给MOS？**\n\n要回答它，应查付款命令、具体资金追踪、政府是否参与或同意，以及MOS主张的第三方权利。民事裁定认定魏的债务已清偿，**本身没有解决政府是否仍可没收这些钱的问题**；同样，检方把Farm Loan列入犯罪集团叙事，也没有自动证明每笔相关款项都可没收。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbf2685f2bad78db82b35","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb177be42da94a551517c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf2685f2bad78db82b35","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qd4e1d84f8ca1101c8ba9","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":889,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T03:57:33.669Z","text":"意思就是，即使转给了长岛，这笔钱也要被收缴\n但是目前，没收清单没有","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb177be42da94a551517c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4e1d84f8ca1101c8ba9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb177be42da94a551517c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qe48de2cc53e0a4f8c51b","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":890,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-09T03:57:38.665Z","text":"总结一下： 就是一切都是未知， 对不对？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb177be42da94a551517c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe48de2cc53e0a4f8c51b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb177be42da94a551517c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q74c6430932961d167ec4","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":891,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-10-09T03:58:39.132Z","text":"**不是“一切未知”，而是已有事实与关键缺口要分开。** 我前面的回答没有把这一点讲得足够集中。\n\n已经确定：MOS收回约813.6万美元；亚利桑那法院据此认定455万美元判决已清偿，并质疑超额回收依据。郭也已因Farm Loan相关罪名被定罪。\n\n截图中“即使转给长岛，这笔钱也要收缴”则仍是**有条件的结论**：必须证明这笔具体财产符合没收条件，并处理第三方权利。不能只凭它与Farm Loan有关就断定必然没收。\n\n**真正尚未查清的是：这813.6万美元是否被纳入郭的刑事金额计算、检方是否对它主张没收，以及若未追缴，依据是什么。**\n\n“目前没收清单没有”也需要核对具体清单及附件。即使确实未列入，它能证明的是**未在该清单中列明**，不能单独证明资金合法、政府放弃追缴，或存在保护交易。\n\n因此，这条质疑可以明确提出：**同笔资金若被计入郭的犯罪所得，却在MOS处未被追缴，两种处理是否有一致的事实和法律依据？** 这不是空泛的未知；它已经指向需要核对的具体文件。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74c6430932961d167ec4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q344a10c8ebad8aa49cad","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":892,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-09T03:59:25.217Z","text":"但是这些钱都是投资人的， 9指有权 随意分发 和解吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd4e1d84f8ca1101c8ba9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q344a10c8ebad8aa49cad","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4e1d84f8ca1101c8ba9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q716162e0be45ccd2e75b","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":893,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T03:59:37.235Z","text":"［用户 beg***］ \n对的，我可能和你说的，重点有些不同\n这笔钱归属明确，没有算清前，检方不能没收","edited":true,"reply_to":"q74c6430932961d167ec4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q716162e0be45ccd2e75b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74c6430932961d167ec4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qb405cd64141387ded43c","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":894,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-10-09T04:00:51.640Z","text":"**截图里两个人提出的疑问都有价值，但“投资人的钱”与“没有查清就不能没收”，都需要更准确地表述。**\n\n**魏丽红是否有权和解、分配，取决于她处分的是什么权利。** 她可以处理自己的民事责任；代表公司则要有授权。如果款项属于受托保管的投资人资金，她不能任意处分。但普通借款也可能使出借人取得还款债权，而非继续拥有账户中的每一美元——具体要看合同、适用法律和资金安排，不能仅凭“原来是投资人汇的钱”决定所有权。\n\n**检方也不能只凭“G Enterprise”标签就没收；但权属有争议并不必然阻止先扣押或进入初步没收程序。** Rule 32.2要求法院先判断具体财产与犯罪的关联，第三方权利通常随后在附属程序中审查，再据此调整最终没收令。[Rule 32.2(b)、(c)](https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_32.2)\n\n所以，双方观点可以合成一个更有力的问题：\n\n> **这笔钱的法律权属是什么？魏、MOS依据什么权限处分？检方依据什么证据追缴，或为何未追缴？同类投资款的处理差异是否有可核实的依据？**\n\n“魏不能随意分配”不自动意味着“政府必然有权没收”；“政府尚未没收”也不自动意味着“魏有权分配”。**目前最关键的材料仍是借款／委托协议、付款命令、资金流水，以及覆盖同笔款项的没收文件。**","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb405cd64141387ded43c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q2f73e822ec7183c20575","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":895,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T04:01:47.759Z","text":"这813w不解决，郭案最终没收难产","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f73e822ec7183c20575","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q92c79c1c43039228637d","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":896,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T04:02:00.423Z","text":"同理，张那里的GTV公平基金退款，不解决，王案的最终没收难产","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92c79c1c43039228637d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q99d88f6253a12c3c261f","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":897,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-09T04:02:58.477Z","text":"不清楚这里面的借款协议等事项","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb405cd64141387ded43c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99d88f6253a12c3c261f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb405cd64141387ded43c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qc3fa57faeae8c463c061","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":898,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T04:04:11.755Z","text":"这两件事，不是说检方为什么不没收那些人手里的钱\n而是要让检方先解决相关的CVRA，再谈最终没收的事","edited":false,"reply_to":"q99d88f6253a12c3c261f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3fa57faeae8c463c061","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99d88f6253a12c3c261f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qc4d35ac507468cedb1b8","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":899,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T04:06:25.994Z","text":"这部分证据，二巡都已经有\n长岛的借款合同，委托追缴合同，长岛的推文，庭审文件里的co-conspirator\n张永兵的授权合同，庭审文件里的 co-conspirator","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4d35ac507468cedb1b8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q93e5f915b88838c62f81","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":900,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T04:08:31.388Z","text":"被闷的钱，检方如果不说明去向，有没有加入案件的资金总数，算入个人金钱判决，那么别想谈最终没收的事","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93e5f915b88838c62f81","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qe3708883119f29139109","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":901,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T04:09:29.937Z","text":"或者，检方还有一个更简单的办法，\n［用户 beg***］ ［用户 roy***］ \n在这个刑事案框架里，针对这两部分资金，对这二人单独起诉，单独追责\n也不用管有没有协议，是口头还是书面，包含哪些内容，哪些不收缴账户，一旦单独起诉，这些都自动失效了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3708883119f29139109","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q277113a66592a8fc1cdc","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":902,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T04:17:45.392Z","text":"关于张的，这个授权文书，在他成为刑事案co-conspirator后，授权就无效了\n因为退款是GTV投资，本就是刑事案涉案资金\n而共谋，已经没有资格，继续代理受害者（投资者），在另外的民事诉讼程序，收款\nAnna的这笔损失，独立担责的是张，因为他没有披露共谋身份\n因为张已经没有委托资格了，那么后续的什么信托账户，走流程退款，都是废话，不用再按照合同，排队，等退款，给佣金。已经被退款的，还可以向张索要佣金，因为是他违约在先","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q277113a66592a8fc1cdc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q9670737f690c1416432a","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":903,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-10-09T04:26:49.987Z","text":"政府的主张是：投资款和会员费的流入即郭的可没收权益，托雷斯在858里予以确认，而mos和maywind里的农场借贷资金，理所当然已经被政府主张了没收并被法院确认，但没收清单里没有。所以已经不存在是否被划入了没收，而是对已经包含在对郭的个人没收和金钱判决的涉案资金，政府为何长时间的不冻结，不追缴，要么就是政府任性的选择性执法？要么涵盖在了不起诉协议里。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q74c6430932961d167ec4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9670737f690c1416432a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74c6430932961d167ec4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qa1dd4e54b7748ecb7a10","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":904,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T04:28:33.661Z","text":"这还只是谈检方，在处理farm loan没收过程中的猫腻","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9670737f690c1416432a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1dd4e54b7748ecb7a10","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9670737f690c1416432a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qd27ac0fdfc3b55c4a583","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":905,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T04:32:05.490Z","text":"这813w，目前在长岛MOS账号里，有没有算入涉案金额，算入量刑时金钱判决，检方都要说明\n这笔涉案投资，归属者明确，资金路线明确，最终走向明确\n没算，重新算进去，量刑金额都要改\n算了，那么要先处理相关的CVRA，再谈没收\n或者就是，独立起诉，省时省力","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd27ac0fdfc3b55c4a583","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q41b580326f682be11c10","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":906,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T04:59:23.169Z","text":"［用户 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hah***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"qd448b963aea530c2047c","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q05d1dce3a39b2b3d0478","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qf77ba260d504934fa524","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":908,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T06:13:56.701Z","text":"300骨干，都在未起诉共谋的list，喜交所老鼠仓，法治基金拿钱，闷对敲款，截流投资款，退款","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf77ba260d504934fa524","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qb032c9a6e8be06f6efc9","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":909,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T06:17:38.536Z","text":"二巡那么多证据，检方为了自保，一定卖这些人","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb032c9a6e8be06f6efc9","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qaeef9d4250324b3e645a","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":910,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-10-09T07:31:39.337Z","text":"她反复无常，下面的晕了，不敢轻举妄动？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaeef9d4250324b3e645a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q15de800633d5811b819e","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":911,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T07:37:20.376Z","text":"有问题，这个截图，可以用","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa7e302d0c37668edb29d","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15de800633d5811b819e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q18b146ca14e4dc3d8925","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":912,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-10-09T07:38:02.538Z","text":"什么问题","edited":false,"reply_to":"q15de800633d5811b819e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18b146ca14e4dc3d8925","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15de800633d5811b819e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q628bcfd85dbc2c7afc30","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":913,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T07:38:38.203Z","text":"刑事案开始，张作为co-conspirator出现在庭审后，已经没有代理权\n这个合同里，他没有注明\nGTV是刑事案涉案企业，张又是共谋，不能代理投资者","edited":false,"reply_to":"q18b146ca14e4dc3d8925","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q628bcfd85dbc2c7afc30","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18b146ca14e4dc3d8925","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q26ded371cfe2bd76df9c","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":914,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-10-09T07:40:05.105Z","text":"作为投资者，程序正义上有权利要求查清楚账目，看看老郭是不是被联盟农场陷害背锅？怎么不说了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0d9e30536635b023e735","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26ded371cfe2bd76df9c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q034b7502fc305ab52d39","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":915,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T07:44:09.452Z","text":"只要签过这个协议的，都可以CVRA上二巡，因为张未及时披露他在案子的身份，导致投资者没有及时收到退款，这个损失，需要他担责\n至于他怎么解释，那是他的事","edited":false,"reply_to":"q628bcfd85dbc2c7afc30","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q034b7502fc305ab52d39","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q628bcfd85dbc2c7afc30","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qe6a34397499b9bde443c","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":916,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-10-09T07:44:09.738Z","text":"哦你要不要看看最高法怎么说诈骗案中要保护投资者的合法权益呀？要不要看看账目要查清，不能让老郭这种无辜的人被联盟农场闷钱陷害背锅呀","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1fb7bafcee43be29f53d","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe6a34397499b9bde443c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qd9c18db562a3757e43e8","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":917,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T07:45:41.530Z","text":"［用户 hah***］ 检方的亲自签署文件 承认瑞恩 螺丝哥 tony等五人是郭支持者 不是受害者","edited":true,"reply_to":"qf204a242a71c7b4646b8","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd9c18db562a3757e43e8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q547ab2a65983813e6bf0","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":918,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-10-09T07:48:25.282Z","text":"那些没上过动议的，没法上二巡呐","edited":false,"reply_to":"q034b7502fc305ab52d39","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q547ab2a65983813e6bf0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q034b7502fc305ab52d39","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qc04174941cd7444b0c30","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":919,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T07:48:37.596Z","text":"有你这个合同截图，就够了啊\n这个足够把张永兵，拉回刑事案了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q547ab2a65983813e6bf0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc04174941cd7444b0c30","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q547ab2a65983813e6bf0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qac0f62e771926370fff4","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":920,"speaker":"mia***","date":"2026-10-09T07:48:51.589Z","text":"投资者就是有权推翻量刑重审，要求老郭出来配合查帐查联盟农场闷的钱，最后查出来一大堆程序问题，发现老郭是被陷害无罪的翻案了，你是不是很不爽呀","edited":false,"reply_to":"q573aec6859f0ab97f19c","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac0f62e771926370fff4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qa622097c250f126bc344","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":921,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-10-09T07:49:13.491Z","text":"我说的那些没给南区发过动议的，他们怎么给二巡发东西？被张代理的两千人？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc04174941cd7444b0c30","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa622097c250f126bc344","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc04174941cd7444b0c30","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q07f90813169837da8112","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":922,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T07:49:40.773Z","text":"不用了，你这个合同截图，只要renew在二巡\n配合Anna的二巡证据\n张永兵玩完儿","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa622097c250f126bc344","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07f90813169837da8112","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa622097c250f126bc344","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q10c3f0e36f06c4bf8641","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":923,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-10-09T07:51:35.408Z","text":"妈的，🐦那会那个服务器里的公告删的差不多了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q10c3f0e36f06c4bf8641","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qa796c9b096ffc3339fdd","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":924,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-10-09T07:51:43.521Z","text":"啥也搜不到了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa796c9b096ffc3339fdd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qd1bce7b85b26b92132fa","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":925,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-10-09T07:52:07.124Z","text":"你们以前有没有保存？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1bce7b85b26b92132fa","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qf19bc08c9fe1b0ce3f4d","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":926,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-10-09T07:52:34.335Z","text":"哪能存那么全呐","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf19bc08c9fe1b0ce3f4d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q7244487206fc252a4cd4","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":927,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-10-09T07:52:49.135Z","text":"不出事儿谁会注意这个","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7244487206fc252a4cd4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qd697b12e8b22770566c6","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":928,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-10-09T07:53:08.755Z","text":"张代理这个，啥公告也没有了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https: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hah***］  我们巴不得当受害者 但检方非得说我们是支持者 你说气不气？","edited":true,"reply_to":"qe50931f5dfd5a5420c7f","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q254e64888d3f530d11ce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qd068246bcaf2859522c8","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":930,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T08:05:18.493Z","text":"［用户 hah***］ 根本没有这样的文档","edited":true,"reply_to":"qec564c0a9e23b1e59d57","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd068246bcaf2859522c8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q4a15827ad2c9845a621e","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":931,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T08:07:35.584Z","text":"［用户 hah***］ 你根本找不到任何一份法律文件","edited":true,"reply_to":"q68fb058ba68213126bdb","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a15827ad2c9845a621e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q6ef611b39e9ed6624978","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":932,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T08:11:04.835Z","text":"［用户 hah***］ 你不参加自诉 检方也把你定义为受害者 把二巡等人cvra自诉人定义为支持者啊 哈哈哈哈哈哈","edited":true,"reply_to":"q36f6d978ea79e756af96","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ef611b39e9ed6624978","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qbfdbf69841412be9f869","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":933,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T08:11:26.831Z","text":"［用户 hah***］  你气不气？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfdbf69841412be9f869","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qc43a3681cb8485b41cf3","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":934,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T08:11:47.511Z","text":"［用户 hah***］ 没办法 检方就认为 郭文贵只有五个支持者 哈哈哈哈哈哈","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc43a3681cb8485b41cf3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q5c4f35a5487c5119f45f","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":935,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T08:12:03.953Z","text":"［用户 hah***］  我支持检方判郭文贵一百年","edited":true,"reply_to":"qa9504f05c83765a08e07","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c4f35a5487c5119f45f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q9ce78a166d0a5f3d62b7","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":936,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T08:12:17.108Z","text":"［用户 hah***］ 检方不判，哪有我发挥水平的机会？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ce78a166d0a5f3d62b7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qb9e7d46972df2113390e","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":937,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T08:13:48.478Z","text":"［用户 hah***］  你自己幻想出来的事情随便你 不用告诉别人 😂","edited":true,"reply_to":"q14855538e8c4f9d7c8ce","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9e7d46972df2113390e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q7deb3deef7a79b7cf763","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":938,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T08:14:44.472Z","text":"［用户 hah***］   要 赶紧披露","edited":true,"reply_to":"q8cd947f7b661c5553504","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7deb3deef7a79b7cf763","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q4976d92335265529ce0a","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":939,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T08:15:53.535Z","text":"［用户 hah***］  你披露的任何东西 我都会引用继续上传二巡 作为郭文贵上诉证据 联盟农场持续威胁自诉人","edited":true,"reply_to":"qce27af367e463d31c620","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4976d92335265529ce0a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q0a1c24de5ba0d61adf38","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":940,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T08:16:39.090Z","text":"［用户 hah***］  并且你如果披露我任何个人有关信息 这都是托雷斯法官报复受害人 恶意散播受害人私人信息的证据","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a1c24de5ba0d61adf38","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q061353b33f34afa3a2cb","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":941,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T08:16:48.627Z","text":"［用户 hah***］ 你干的任何事情都会算在托雷斯头上","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q061353b33f34afa3a2cb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qe0dd1270bb31ef4e923a","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":942,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T08:17:00.777Z","text":"［用户 hah***］ 托雷斯会记得你这个账号的","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0dd1270bb31ef4e923a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q8ec461769bb6302c3563","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":943,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T08:17:32.635Z","text":"［用户 hah***］  我说了我根本没有签证","edited":true,"reply_to":"q02d1d4ed45602f88b27c","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ec461769bb6302c3563","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qa86ea13d58819877d641","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":944,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T08:20:43.848Z","text":"［用户 hah***］ 我拿个鸡吧签证 你不看法律文件的？","edited":true,"reply_to":"q7a0ba45b6f9c572c39b9","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa86ea13d58819877d641","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qd4c0f0a72b01f69abb9c","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":945,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T08:21:06.285Z","text":"［用户 hah***］ 你根本没有","edited":true,"reply_to":"q91430b31ddfa5c607ce5","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4c0f0a72b01f69abb9c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qd2b7d39ff5626b09136f","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":946,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T08:21:10.770Z","text":"有本事你展示啊","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2b7d39ff5626b09136f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qfad95aca8eb2671a2729","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":947,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-10-09T09:21:58.953Z","text":"园区是孟建柱的产业，这是习在故意放风吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfad95aca8eb2671a2729","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qde33aa1cb1959e60e475","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":948,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T09:22:19.854Z","text":"就是习一种收买人心的方法","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfad95aca8eb2671a2729","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde33aa1cb1959e60e475","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfad95aca8eb2671a2729","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q751dc9eae95a1ae511c8","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":949,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-10-09T09:22:52.279Z","text":"演明君戏？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qde33aa1cb1959e60e475","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q751dc9eae95a1ae511c8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qde33aa1cb1959e60e475","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qfec9cbab7bc74d295862","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":950,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T09:49:23.998Z","text":"张永兵没有披露，自己是G系列诈骗案的共谋，而是继续接受GTV投资者委托退款\n这也不是利益冲突，是合同欺诈","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfec9cbab7bc74d295862","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q0b17c468047fffd5a914","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":951,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T09:49:59.036Z","text":"和盖尔的合同欺诈，还不一样，要更严重，因为盖尔不是共谋","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b17c468047fffd5a914","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q172214e26fe1d52670d6","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":952,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T10:05:07.629Z","text":"陪审团认为，郭在GTV无罪，是因为有公平基金退款\n王案里，GTV仍然涉洗钱，并且在王案初步没收清单4.1亿\n而张作为诈骗案共谋，没有向公平基金和委托人，披露身份，也没有给委托人退款，那么这部分投资者的损失，追责就是张\n即使已经收到款，依然可以拉张上刑事案，因为这1%的委托费损失，是张造成的，他身份造假，没有代理资格","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q172214e26fe1d52670d6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q622a146d74e9b082b982","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":953,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T14:07:01.050Z","text":"［用户 him***］ [删节：成员身份] 你自己交了一份欺诈法庭的强制令 你自己也是自诉帮 你现在想洗白 晚了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q622a146d74e9b082b982","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q227972ef6980d564fcbe","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":954,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T14:23:56.031Z","text":"说青藤这届的时候，她大多数是装死","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q227972ef6980d564fcbe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qf16e18f9b4265ec59760","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":955,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T14:24:54.602Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 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joh***］ 不知道这个怎么反应到郭案里面？","edited":true,"reply_to":"qf16e18f9b4265ec59760","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3020943bf0a18e129ea4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf16e18f9b4265ec59760","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q31dcfe02fbc3bb9ccbea","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":958,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T14:33:54.763Z","text":"这个倒是可以另立案件","edited":false,"reply_to":"q0405622dddcd10a32d2d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q31dcfe02fbc3bb9ccbea","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0405622dddcd10a32d2d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qa4be34ca71dce11b9efe","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":959,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T14:39:44.422Z","text":"1 anna二巡CVRA已经提到，委托张的GTV退款没有收到，这个CVRA优先于王案的最终没收，南区必须解决\n2 [删节：成员身份]的张的代理合同，证实张接收的是GTV退款，而作为G系列诈骗的共谋，他315以后，没有资格继续代理，但没有给公平基金或者委托人披露","edited":true,"reply_to":"q3020943bf0a18e129ea4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4be34ca71dce11b9efe","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3020943bf0a18e129ea4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q2a4b800f806820523654","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":960,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T14:40:33.806Z","text":"没收里面有没有gtv？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qa4be34ca71dce11b9efe","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a4b800f806820523654","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa4be34ca71dce11b9efe","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q0942f62daac2d03ff5b5","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":961,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T14:40:51.009Z","text":"金钱判决排除后","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0942f62daac2d03ff5b5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q980e5364c30f45bcd94b","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":962,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T14:40:53.094Z","text":"怎么操作","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q980e5364c30f45bcd94b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q56b5bf2694fab3dc87ea","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":963,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T14:41:20.844Z","text":"王案里，金钱判决有GTV","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2a4b800f806820523654","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56b5bf2694fab3dc87ea","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a4b800f806820523654","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q70b651afd1d59623d485","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":964,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T14:41:58.178Z","text":"王案判决书是几号","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q70b651afd1d59623d485","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q8e4c73d6efc0c66539ec","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":965,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T14:42:08.521Z","text":"这他妈就扯了…","edited":false,"reply_to":"q56b5bf2694fab3dc87ea","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e4c73d6efc0c66539ec","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56b5bf2694fab3dc87ea","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qdfe3aa8d73d7d4ce984c","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":966,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T14:43:18.812Z","text":"王案初步没收清单里，我不确定，要看看","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdfe3aa8d73d7d4ce984c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qb8d05c0146ffdf961ccf","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":967,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T14:43:30.202Z","text":"她的最终没收，也是难产","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8d05c0146ffdf961ccf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q2e3143eebdaa0e37fc1d","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":968,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T14:43:38.622Z","text":"1搞清楚王金钱判决是什么 没收财产是什么","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e3143eebdaa0e37fc1d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q05a3f46bd971370fab6e","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":969,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T14:43:49.458Z","text":"如果王有gtv 郭没有 这是不是合理","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q05a3f46bd971370fab6e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qc6b9fded64bf98e595bf","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":970,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T14:43:57.844Z","text":"是否说明王认罪瞎几把扯","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc6b9fded64bf98e595bf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qc993c5f4f0e07dd8c497","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":971,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T14:48:53.069Z","text":"王认罪两项，wire feaud和money laundering\n前者涉及GTV Gclub farm 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这个还得感谢托雷斯的858\n王的涉案金钱判决1.4B，一定包括GTV，因为郭的858里说了，8.9是14-GTV的4.1","edited":true,"reply_to":"q56b5bf2694fab3dc87ea","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e252b2fbd64af54bfa2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56b5bf2694fab3dc87ea","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q95892669cb27ad7e04a2","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":974,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T15:10:13.546Z","text":"王案初步没收清单，在file488，里面没有看到GTV\n郭案初步没收清单，沿用王案，后面增加了几个公司账户，但没有删除","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95892669cb27ad7e04a2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q3b7d1a84ff2e71c778b5","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":975,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T17:38:23.315Z","text":"［用户 joh***］  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亲自在这维稳，被主子逼的呗，经费哪那么容易拿的","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd48061016e15f39cb21","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q24cde85cd658b8a59fb2","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":986,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T18:13:12.819Z","text":"［用户 him***］  要不要找螺丝哥说你是特务的内容？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q24cde85cd658b8a59fb2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qf47b9362a3c49121616d","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":987,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T18:13:38.408Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 我他妈只是懒得找这么多消息 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\nhttps://x.com/jasonwang1211/status/2108150721149624407?s=46","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q82c6d7fe268d357a682f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qa9825cca7eecc631a0fe","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":990,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T18:34:19.520Z","text":"［用户 him***］  哦 你说螺丝哥造谣","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa9825cca7eecc631a0fe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qc682faa91a7f3882c50c","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":991,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T18:43:48.004Z","text":"［用户 may***］ 你最好去临平派出所自首你杀人了","edited":true,"reply_to":"q9993f98fb891ec2e0e47","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc682faa91a7f3882c50c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qdd9ac112409122bcaf3e","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":992,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T18:44:15.883Z","text":"我有个感觉 我们这个群很多人都会出人命 ［用户 joh***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdd9ac112409122bcaf3e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qc4e52984cec74aa6a625","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":993,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T19:41:01.774Z","text":"[删节：成员身份]  螺丝哥： 无论himam是潜伏的也好 是性格使然也好 他都不可能停下自诉 就算不把群还回来 就算把群解散 都无所谓  自诉是停不下来的 himam左右不了这些人 ［用户 him***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"q6b1b083d1178eb792399","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4e52984cec74aa6a625","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q6af1b152f053e91e7dcc","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":994,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T20:06:42.640Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 螺丝哥告知群主在小群的风险： 群主告密谋","edited":true,"reply_to":"q22dd2e24db7a61a590da","reply_status":"out_of_scope","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6af1b152f053e91e7dcc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复的附件未收录","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qa840e9abb1dead8f1bd9","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":995,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T20:13:17.072Z","text":"［用户 him***］  [删节：成员身份] 螺丝哥说： 为什么我说他（himam） 不正常了？前半年干的非常好， 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编","edited":true,"reply_to":"q08cf56a9b4b8cd366eb4","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d02eead41bb10094bd6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"qaeb7a16e0969cca375cc","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":998,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T20:17:04.264Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 嗯嗯 和联盟一样 这都是ai语音","edited":true,"reply_to":"qec1324bb57e3a05c7c4b","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaeb7a16e0969cca375cc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q7356fb8cd41ae8ad4339","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":999,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T20:20:45.462Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 那你公布","edited":true,"reply_to":"qc9b6ddf523b4a04c360b","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7356fb8cd41ae8ad4339","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"},{"id":"q7509be78ed735fbc86f0","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":1000,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-09T20:20:50.773Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 你根本没有","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7509be78ed735fbc86f0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000161","next_batch_id":"batch-000163"}