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有本事催检方开没收啊","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83c3171940d1d856b7d6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q6b34675eb4d85a36f420","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":5,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T02:59:03.413Z","text":"所以你也是赢在未来啊？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q524644601cd5e9752fb6","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b34675eb4d85a36f420","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q09037f3719bdc205f68b","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":6,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T02:59:13.452Z","text":"［用户 may***］ 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luc的法庭文件你不会自己去看？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbeb19bbca12453efda54","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q2d893c6c791360eb3ee5","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":11,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T03:55:07.219Z","text":"［用户 _ki***］ 你以为唐平的五万都给谁了 唐平有这水平吗","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d893c6c791360eb3ee5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q57f8efe9f739d67124a1","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":12,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T03:56:10.228Z","text":"我骗了一万 你骗了多少","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57f8efe9f739d67124a1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q66c2617a5d670b744154","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":13,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T03:56:17.065Z","text":"［用户 _ki***］ 你亏几百万","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66c2617a5d670b744154","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q8a61933cfba7585fbefe","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":14,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T03:58:05.809Z","text":"还要幻想自己没被骗","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a61933cfba7585fbefe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qb02dcf5e1114b70dc2f4","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":15,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T04:00:44.437Z","text":"［用户 _ki***］ 瑞恩什么收入 家住哪里 什么职业 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你也幻想","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e84a41454ea2397600e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qee39d52027da47a37955","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":18,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T04:01:12.643Z","text":"说明你无言以对","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6987b324725eb86aac32","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee39d52027da47a37955","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q2d3ec11bbefb709f09c5","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":19,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T04:03:04.218Z","text":"［用户 may***］ 你的钱拿不回来了","edited":true,"reply_to":"qe3948e72a0655e3447d2","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d3ec11bbefb709f09c5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qc2b5a0ac4b28b7d2e0c8","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":20,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T04:03:34.797Z","text":"［用户 may***］ 接下去的程序 百分百我控制 你想拿钱是不可能的","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2b5a0ac4b28b7d2e0c8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q962f77044acf6a31139c","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":21,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T04:03:42.601Z","text":"［用户 may***］  除非你给我一百万","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q962f77044acf6a31139c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qe0761793a0ec4ed14509","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":22,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T04:03:53.712Z","text":"［用户 may***］ 853n程序你懂？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0761793a0ec4ed14509","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q6c8d11a455497bffc659","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":23,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T04:04:07.999Z","text":"［用户 may***］ 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你几十万也拿不回来","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeced807e45127fc0a35b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qa0557d796bb68b772f52","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":26,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T04:05:36.404Z","text":"［用户 _ki***］ 你怎么不说你也是未来？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa0557d796bb68b772f52","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q1864800e406510d62845","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":27,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T04:06:05.562Z","text":"［用户 may***］ 翻案也拿不回来","edited":true,"reply_to":"q1174efcbd754bec77b65","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1864800e406510d62845","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q08940c5f47a9fc83f1ad","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":28,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T04:07:22.714Z","text":"美国法院连杀人犯辛普森都能放出来","edited":false,"reply_to":"q853fb2716e0cd001eed0","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08940c5f47a9fc83f1ad","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q0ac5c0ab4c1254030597","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":29,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T04:10:21.054Z","text":"［用户 _ki***］ 你几百万 拿不回来 你什么时候拿回来？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ac5c0ab4c1254030597","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q880e5f2f2ebe8e9dcb24","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":30,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T04:10:32.709Z","text":"［用户 _ki***］ 你不也是赢在未来 永远赢？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q880e5f2f2ebe8e9dcb24","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qbce88ffd0458c507130b","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":31,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-18T04:11:31.999Z","text":"真特么的乱 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你的钱已经拿不回来了","edited":true,"reply_to":"qbce88ffd0458c507130b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b809e7adc4d5d03102b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbce88ffd0458c507130b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q7b547b5c1f7840543023","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":33,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T04:12:47.014Z","text":"［用户 may***］ 他是杀人犯 他也能翻案 这个人叫辛普森","edited":true,"reply_to":"q4a9f2f2d4bfbe5233dce","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b547b5c1f7840543023","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q92d02e41876e95358135","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":34,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-18T04:15:47.344Z","text":"他奶奶的， 刚才又给Arizona Superior Court 写了个文件 - 9指妖农场汇款， 我给Medical Supply 的， 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不入卷，不裁决。就是明晃晃的程序不正义","edited":false,"reply_to":"qeef1360ee4d99c5a3cb3","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c003108aa2f30eaa7d6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q1ec3b9b24fcb3aafb2a5","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":37,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T04:19:40.516Z","text":"［用户 beg***］ 现在被二巡853强制令戴上手铐 必须先裁决dismiss vacate 2106 也就是没收的地基","edited":true,"reply_to":"q2c003108aa2f30eaa7d6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ec3b9b24fcb3aafb2a5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c003108aa2f30eaa7d6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qdd0c8f666c3fd90c49c0","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":38,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T04:20:02.352Z","text":"我没有同伙","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdd0c8f666c3fd90c49c0","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qaef3f6c952b42de80ae6","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":39,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-18T04:20:46.656Z","text":"我的第一个853n强制令二巡否决了 不给立案。第二份我就论证了 CVRA 与 853n。所以才给853n 入卷！","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaef3f6c952b42de80ae6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qa399f0c4fa147a6cae72","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":40,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-18T04:23:46.002Z","text":"接下来搞农场借款 Maywind 这块 😡😡😡","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa399f0c4fa147a6cae72","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q4a8919920566f924a598","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":41,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T04:23:52.840Z","text":"［用户 may***］ 你这句话我必须得记下来","edited":true,"reply_to":"q0e4fcd5c5d8c37c11244","reply_status":"not_public","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a8919920566f924a598","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"被回复内容暂不可用","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qb73ad1070f719807eb61","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":42,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T04:24:17.691Z","text":"［用户 beg***］ 现在看来你的853n 强制令立案 是分水岭","edited":true,"reply_to":"qaef3f6c952b42de80ae6","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb73ad1070f719807eb61","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaef3f6c952b42de80ae6","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q42d0d192c7633f550e4d","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":43,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-18T04:28:22.990Z","text":"第三方把证据递到二巡， 把事情做到极致，二巡法官会觉得老郭律师太专业贴心又尊重人（与第三方无知者无畏😂相比）， 多好","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q42d0d192c7633f550e4d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qb8e6d1d159991cb309b4","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":44,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-10-18T04:36:15.331Z","text":"你这是在说反话吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q42d0d192c7633f550e4d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8e6d1d159991cb309b4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q42d0d192c7633f550e4d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q34bb756479bee9206020","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":45,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-18T04:41:55.442Z","text":"没有。我们知道啥说啥， 律师不行， 说错了会被惩罚的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb8e6d1d159991cb309b4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34bb756479bee9206020","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8e6d1d159991cb309b4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q6fe3bdbfa72477a00b1d","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":46,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-18T04:43:40.234Z","text":"律师谁敢怼托雷斯 像我们这个怼法？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6fe3bdbfa72477a00b1d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q934377bcd4c7061e0bb7","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":47,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-10-18T04:46:56.258Z","text":"律师干了啥？反而是无知者无畏的第三方冲在前头，大包大揽，把本该专业律师干的活全部无死角地干了个透彻。\n饭桶律师的无效辩护就是 cronic, 如果坐实，这个案子就直接打穿了。这也是瑞恩那天无比兴奋的原因。可惜就差那么一点点，老帮子二巡法官们完全懂得 cronic 的严重性，在9月25日的同一天，即上诉律师被任命的同时，把在二巡立案的一组强制令通通否决。如果提前否决，就是在被告二巡缺席的情况下的判决，就是踩雷了。无律师的真空状态下是不能否决几个有理有据的动议的，除非这几个动议真的是纯属乱说。\n这是我最近的理解","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q934377bcd4c7061e0bb7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q1bd816cd89b0435a63db","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":48,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T04:47:47.126Z","text":"［用户 beg***］ 托雷斯如果真的为了裁决853而和第三方掰扯vacate dismiss 2106， 只要托雷斯开这个口 就是cronic","edited":true,"reply_to":"q934377bcd4c7061e0bb7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1bd816cd89b0435a63db","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q934377bcd4c7061e0bb7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q3d3f76fe955b63d80262","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":49,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-10-18T04:49:09.408Z","text":"俺又不懂了。好不容易搞懂了一点，又出了新难题","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1bd816cd89b0435a63db","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d3f76fe955b63d80262","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1bd816cd89b0435a63db","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q71f884cfd086b9b821ca","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":50,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-10-18T04:54:36.772Z","text":"你的意思是被告律师的表面文章都做足了，现在半路杀出了一大群自诉人，把案子搅黄了，给二巡添了不少乱，给二巡带来了难题，但是也无可奈何。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q42d0d192c7633f550e4d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71f884cfd086b9b821ca","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q42d0d192c7633f550e4d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qa787b2004dd38ada77f9","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":51,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-18T04:54:37.404Z","text":"这些东西是郭律师应该干的他们不干 所以cronic","edited":false,"reply_to":"q3d3f76fe955b63d80262","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa787b2004dd38ada77f9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d3f76fe955b63d80262","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qc7f08fc5a7149e8637fc","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":52,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T04:54:56.714Z","text":"［用户 sar***］ 把这一条下面的一串看懂","edited":true,"reply_to":"q3058e2f79865c44a155f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7f08fc5a7149e8637fc","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3058e2f79865c44a155f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qc35fad50da5d510d93b7","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":53,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-18T04:59:44.499Z","text":"我得赶紧的把Maywind的新的证据给二巡加上去 - Motion for reconsideration 不能有附件；图片就是附件。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc35fad50da5d510d93b7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q777a81243532c321cb09","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":54,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-10-18T05:07:05.509Z","text":"为什么不能有附件？被否决之后再发动议是不是有14天的期限？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc35fad50da5d510d93b7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q777a81243532c321cb09","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc35fad50da5d510d93b7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qc2a334dc79a56a13b340","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":55,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T05:10:11.182Z","text":"［用户 sar***］ 托雷斯如果真的为了裁决853n 来跟第三方掰扯什么撤案 vacate 2106 那就直接说明律师cronic","edited":true,"reply_to":"q3d3f76fe955b63d80262","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2a334dc79a56a13b340","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d3f76fe955b63d80262","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qf8ba497ca21e3ba1de48","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":56,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T05:10:12.747Z","text":"直接翻案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8ba497ca21e3ba1de48","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qd4bdcef9a7631f3e5f38","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":57,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-18T05:12:51.750Z","text":"不能有附件 - 二巡的rule","edited":false,"reply_to":"q777a81243532c321cb09","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4bdcef9a7631f3e5f38","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q777a81243532c321cb09","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qe22c54291b9501332803","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":58,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-10-18T05:14:01.670Z","text":"你的意思是: 托雷斯如果踫了（答理了）第三方的 vacate dismiss 2106, 就等于说那几个辩方律师干什么去了、为什么他们不提这个，也就是律师无效辩护，是 cronic. Cronic 比检方的司法欺诈还严重，这个案子必须重来。对吧？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1bd816cd89b0435a63db","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe22c54291b9501332803","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1bd816cd89b0435a63db","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q0ad92c36c769094f7ad2","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":59,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T05:14:18.442Z","text":"［用户 sar***］ 对了 精准","edited":true,"reply_to":"qe22c54291b9501332803","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ad92c36c769094f7ad2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe22c54291b9501332803","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q7a16a7b2a1f940e678d8","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":60,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-10-18T05:15:10.808Z","text":"但是cronic 真有这么严重吗？以前从未听说过","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a16a7b2a1f940e678d8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q128ae1f4d82b1f924eb2","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":61,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T05:16:46.901Z","text":"［用户 sar***］ 托雷斯还有一个选择 就是强行认定 853n没有standing打vacate 2106 dismiss。 那这又在僭越 因为你[删节：成员身份]已经问过二巡 二巡拒绝第三方vacate 2106 dismiss的法律依据 二巡deny 不回答。 但不回答不说明任何意思 二巡不回答 你托雷斯自己瞎定义 合适吗？","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q128ae1f4d82b1f924eb2","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qc5c85c6f645091228675","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":62,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T05:17:48.118Z","text":"二巡不可能真的用merit拒绝，二巡就是在等上诉律师。 如果托雷斯自己强行认定 又在侮辱二巡","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc5c85c6f645091228675","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q36025029dcbbc1d640f2","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":63,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T05:17:59.305Z","text":"［用户 sar***］ 极其严重","edited":true,"reply_to":"q7a16a7b2a1f940e678d8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36025029dcbbc1d640f2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a16a7b2a1f940e678d8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qd7d725d04e26992dbfa9","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":64,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-10-18T05:19:56.279Z","text":"为什么？请多解释一下。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q36025029dcbbc1d640f2","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd7d725d04e26992dbfa9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36025029dcbbc1d640f2","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qdaaeab1ab41962fc0bce","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":65,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T05:20:35.305Z","text":"［用户 sar***］ 托雷斯还有一个选择 就是不说什么853在二巡打了vacate 2106 dismiss 直接说所有853n都不是合法第三方 这样也有问题： 二巡都有853n打了终局motion 他们认为定罪量刑 所有程序都不合法 你托雷斯不解决这些853n在二巡提出的案件地基的问题 就认定所有853n都不是第三方，等于是你案件根基都没了 你还要硬判案件的子程序问题","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdaaeab1ab41962fc0bce","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qf67718f3904d6196bdc7","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":66,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T05:21:23.225Z","text":"因为853n 程序 是建立在量刑 定罪合法的情况下 如果量刑 定罪都不合法 托雷斯强判853 没有任何法律依据","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf67718f3904d6196bdc7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q73269841abba6fba6d5a","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":67,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T05:21:52.700Z","text":"［用户 sar***］ 托雷斯唯一的方法 就是把没收程序无限期延期 等案子慢慢被推翻","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73269841abba6fba6d5a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q2dcf0573389b0859bdee","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":68,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T05:22:05.991Z","text":"[删节：成员身份] 这是郭案唯一的路径","edited":true,"reply_to":"q73269841abba6fba6d5a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2dcf0573389b0859bdee","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73269841abba6fba6d5a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qf2bee64780ffdacf4cef","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":69,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T05:23:30.568Z","text":"United States v. Cronic（466 U.S. 648）是美国联邦最高法院于 1984 年 6 月 14 日作出的里程碑式判决（与著名的 Strickland v. Washington 案同日宣判），它构成了美国宪法第六修正案关于“有效辩护权（Right to Effective Assistance of Counsel）”的最高阶法理天花板。\n理解 Cronic 案的核心，在于把它与普通的律师失职区分开来。它主要涵盖三个核心维度：\n一、 什么是 Cronic 规则？\n在正常情况下，如果被告想控告自己的律师没当好，必须走 Strickland 标准：证明律师表现极度拉胯（deficient performance），并且这种失误造成了实质性的损害（prejudice，即“如果没有这个失误，判决结果可能会不同”）。这在司法实践中极难举证。\n然而，最高法院在 Cronic 案中确立了一个颠覆性的例外：在某些极端情况下，辩护权的剥夺或失效是如此彻底，以至于法律直接“推定”整个审判程序已经腐坏，无需被告证明任何具体损害。 这就是 Cronic 违宪。\n二、 在什么情况下会触发 Cronic？\n最高法院在判决中明确了三种极其狭窄但毁灭性极强的触发场景：\n1. 辩护律师在关键阶段完全缺席（Complete denial of counsel）：\n例如在庭审、提审或量刑等生死攸关的法定阶段，被告根本没有被指派或聘请律师。\n2. 律师实质上彻底放弃了对抗（Total absence of meaningful adversarial testing）：\n这是 Sarah 和第三方在郭文贵案中最核心的聚焦点。 如果辩护律师虽然挂着名、坐在那里，但在整个审判或量刑的关键阶段“形同虚设”、“交白卷”，完全没有对检方的证据链、证人、核心指控进行任何实质性的、有意义的对抗性质证（Meaningful adversarial testing），那就构成了 Cronic 违宪。\n3. 客观环境导致任何有能力的律师都无法协助（Circumstances where competent counsel are unable to assist）：\n例如法院或外部强权对辩护过程施加了荒谬的限制，导致即便派来顶级的刑辩大师，也根本没有时间和空间去组织有效辩护。\n三、 Cronic 有多严重？\n一旦在联邦上诉审中被法庭认定触发了 Cronic 错误，其严重性和法律后果可以用三个词来形容：\n1. 免证损害（No Prejudice Required / 损害推定）：\n这是 Cronic 最恐怖的地方。被告不需要向法官证明“因为前任律师没干活，所以我才被判了 30 年”。只要法庭确认当时处于“无实质对抗”的结构性瘫痪状态，法律直接认定：程序本身已经非法。\n2. 绝对的“结构性错误”（Per Se Reversible / Structural Error）：\n它不属于“个案技术瑕疵”，而是触及了美国宪法正当程序（Due Process）底线的系统性崩塌。\n3. 整体判决直接归零（Automatic Reversal）：\n一旦被判定构成 Cronic 违宪，上诉法院或最高法院通常不会去琢磨原审证据够不够充分，而是直接把整场审判、定罪或量刑结果整体推翻、发回重审（Vacate and Remand），因为整个对抗机制从一开始就是畸形和无效的。\n这就是为什么 Cronic 在美国刑辩领域被称为“核武器级别”的条款——它不跟你讨论律师某个细节做得好不好，而是直接掀翻桌子，认定整个审判由于辩护体系的实质性缺位而彻底违宪。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2bee64780ffdacf4cef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qb187a4f6f0627639b64c","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":70,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T05:23:49.290Z","text":"［用户 sar***］ 只要碰cronic 直接归零 没有任何解释","edited":true,"reply_to":"qf2bee64780ffdacf4cef","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb187a4f6f0627639b64c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2bee64780ffdacf4cef","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q6706cbca4b66949bcf55","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":71,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T05:24:15.775Z","text":"［用户 sar***］ 现在已经是cronic了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6706cbca4b66949bcf55","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q6b23e307ca5825c07153","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":72,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T05:26:28.827Z","text":"郭案已经达到cronic的门槛","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b23e307ca5825c07153","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q56d1aa2a688b6a021576","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":73,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T05:26:34.182Z","text":"就看律师敢不敢","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56d1aa2a688b6a021576","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q8feafb5cc0f96f64f73c","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":74,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T05:28:56.489Z","text":"cronic的要求是极其变态的，只要是个人 都不会同意用cronic撤案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8feafb5cc0f96f64f73c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q7895b21ed913ad5f0e47","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":75,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T05:29:15.534Z","text":"如果没有第三方 这个案子不可能和cronic联系起来","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7895b21ed913ad5f0e47","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q8e17fe8ad225d8fadd2b","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":76,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-10-18T05:29:25.757Z","text":"当我们说律师是饭桶的时候就是开始意识到了cronic 的存在","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e17fe8ad225d8fadd2b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q298b789920c4fc64ae3f","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":77,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T05:29:38.680Z","text":"老郭文件700","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8e17fe8ad225d8fadd2b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q298b789920c4fc64ae3f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e17fe8ad225d8fadd2b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q6ff2998e9c50b4bdc290","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":78,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T05:29:45.548Z","text":"就是提醒你们去打cronic","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ff2998e9c50b4bdc290","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q513f3d587b52e09b314f","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":79,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T05:31:36.679Z","text":"stay 2106 司法欺诈 vacate dismiss 受害者框架崩溃 动议不上传 选择性上传 pii泄露 黑衣女人 吐血上庭 法官回避","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q513f3d587b52e09b314f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qf31d6d55e0f13ff536e4","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":80,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T05:31:56.287Z","text":"这些东西律师没打一份 这就是cronic 关键程序律师隐身","edited":false,"reply_to":"q513f3d587b52e09b314f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf31d6d55e0f13ff536e4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q513f3d587b52e09b314f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q2d2d360482308c78ed5d","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":81,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T05:33:11.556Z","text":"把“关键时刻律师隐身/集体失语，而所有实质性质证和对抗全靠第三方 Pro Se 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后来又说这个","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb8aadab31a9720aba495","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda87e2f49d8caf6af7b2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8aadab31a9720aba495","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q9e62e06fd90648efa76d","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":84,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-18T05:36:47.087Z","text":"我都怀疑律师说这个的时候有没有老郭授权","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e62e06fd90648efa76d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q93c0b6b54ed8d8c6a939","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":85,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-10-18T05:38:22.330Z","text":"以前看电视剧的时候总以为律师是多少的有智慧，善于抓住一切蛛丝蚂迹进行辨驳，以为郭在庭审期间分分钟都会当庭释放、王者归来。Nick 那只小地鼠说律师真棒，在结束的那一天他还重述了Sabina的一段英文台词，当时把我打动得一愣一愣的。\nTMD, 这是我这辈子受到的最大欺骗、庭审现场报道的欺骗！","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf31d6d55e0f13ff536e4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93c0b6b54ed8d8c6a939","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf31d6d55e0f13ff536e4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qf7ff4a9a600e5124c92d","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":86,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T05:41:40.576Z","text":"估计没有","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9e62e06fd90648efa76d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7ff4a9a600e5124c92d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e62e06fd90648efa76d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q5d53cc4b9f72b73454d6","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":87,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T05:41:47.465Z","text":"老郭估计早就随他们搞了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d53cc4b9f72b73454d6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qbc0ad1093cca804c5827","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":88,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T06:04:19.360Z","text":"有问题吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc0ad1093cca804c5827","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qbe1306c70c8bc57eef68","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":89,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T06:04:34.590Z","text":"郭是流亡商人 瑞恩是神 有可比性吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe1306c70c8bc57eef68","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q5919fa408b2dbace02bd","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":90,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-10-18T06:04:41.546Z","text":"郭案里面，是第三种情况。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf2bee64780ffdacf4cef","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5919fa408b2dbace02bd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2bee64780ffdacf4cef","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qbfcbd5842980658f6879","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":91,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T06:05:16.715Z","text":"确切的说 第三方可以指控第二种 律师可以出来说 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，所以自诉。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbfcbd5842980658f6879","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe095499e18d1ab2a1a52","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfcbd5842980658f6879","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qd489f80e89ee2e4f1217","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":93,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T06:11:05.017Z","text":"就是第二种 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beg***］\n这个有意思了，很可能medical supply，VOG，会被重新拉回刑事案","edited":true,"reply_to":"qc5b5b1b5564eef9c3a0a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb04dcb35c2c1ec2757a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc5b5b1b5564eef9c3a0a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qd346d506dfdd9e8e2f9d","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":148,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-18T11:07:14.376Z","text":"GTV和解，郭不涉及这个里面\n而王，仍然是在GTV有罪\n也就是说，即使VOG和解，在退款，但不影响VOG应该和GTV / farm loan / HEX / Gclub一样，都被列为G集团涉案实体，在起诉书里呈现\n起诉书没有，那么只有一个解释，魏认罪换不起诉，而且覆盖VOG\n［用户 reb***］ ［用户 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capital，都在魏那里，这个链接不到郭","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd346d506dfdd9e8e2f9d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd705a60d2793fec70866","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd346d506dfdd9e8e2f9d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qc83c663412f88bb5a220","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":150,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-10-18T11:10:52.886Z","text":"政府可以选择性起诉，法律上拿它没办法，最多就在政府策略方面进行批评。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qd346d506dfdd9e8e2f9d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc83c663412f88bb5a220","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd346d506dfdd9e8e2f9d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qec7381dc0ac6f869efdb","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":151,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-18T11:13:03.481Z","text":"现在因为长岛和魏和解，和解的项目是GTV，而钱从medical supply退回了MOS.LLC，那么可以说\n投资GTV-maywind-medical supply","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc83c663412f88bb5a220","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec7381dc0ac6f869efdb","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc83c663412f88bb5a220","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q4046eb77da404f51f4eb","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":152,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-18T11:15:38.719Z","text":"［用户 beg***］ 投资VOG的，也可以上自诉，二巡\n检方不起诉，不代表VOG投资项目，不属于G集团","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4046eb77da404f51f4eb","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q5966332b140d190bc677","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":153,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-10-18T11:15:50.760Z","text":"夏跟魏，交易的部分面上是农场借贷。只是不知道，之前魏收的vog款，是否退回给了sec然后到公平基金，以及，如果没有退回，魏是否把它和农场借贷（包括凤凰农场和其它农场）进行了混同。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qec7381dc0ac6f869efdb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5966332b140d190bc677","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec7381dc0ac6f869efdb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q5ff421be6b751316d206","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":154,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-18T11:16:32.565Z","text":"不用管这些弯弯绕绕\n比如[删节：成员身份]，因为投资VOG，导致个人账号被冻结，有金钱损失\nVOG也要被纳入刑事案","edited":true,"reply_to":"q5966332b140d190bc677","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ff421be6b751316d206","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5966332b140d190bc677","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qc0511318cf9ae16d5ed7","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":155,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-10-18T11:20:06.702Z","text":"可以咬定vog就是在犯罪集团里，只要向vog投了钱，政府要解释为何没有算在内。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5ff421be6b751316d206","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0511318cf9ae16d5ed7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ff421be6b751316d206","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q35cc621fed7ed5b27a67","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":156,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-18T11:31:03.201Z","text":"就是这个意思","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc0511318cf9ae16d5ed7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35cc621fed7ed5b27a67","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0511318cf9ae16d5ed7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q4e2abe72bf0188a6d387","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":157,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-18T11:31:17.816Z","text":"检方不起诉，是检方的事","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4e2abe72bf0188a6d387","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qf5193748832279b28839","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":158,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-18T11:32:49.638Z","text":"现在有因为投资VOG导致损失的受害者，资金流向明确，而检方不纳入G集团内","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5193748832279b28839","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q7f0920e69fe289b633c7","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":159,"speaker":"tia***","date":"2026-10-18T11:32:59.528Z","text":"所以我们的退款迟迟不退?","edited":false,"reply_to":"qeb04dcb35c2c1ec2757a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f0920e69fe289b633c7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb04dcb35c2c1ec2757a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q1c408f2c8457bf27f8f4","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":160,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-18T11:33:23.895Z","text":"你投过VOG？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7f0920e69fe289b633c7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c408f2c8457bf27f8f4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f0920e69fe289b633c7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q95c789f311f2f5b1ff85","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":161,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-18T11:34:44.267Z","text":"要么把VOG纳进来，要么单独给魏，立子案\n魏和长岛，张，草根，都跑不掉，二巡都有相关的证据","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf5193748832279b28839","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95c789f311f2f5b1ff85","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5193748832279b28839","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q39b670563bb42c5387d0","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":162,"speaker":"tia***","date":"2026-10-18T11:35:21.978Z","text":"GTV，我没有VOG","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1c408f2c8457bf27f8f4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39b670563bb42c5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maywind？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q39b670563bb42c5387d0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q45ade15718519f1d2389","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39b670563bb42c5387d0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q844819065b57808f2d58","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":164,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-10-18T11:36:45.012Z","text":"向vog投钱，是为了投资gtv，政府既然在起诉书里列了出来，且王也认罪了，政府不管是因为不起诉协议不起诉，还是单纯选择不起诉，都需要出来说明，不能什么都不披露。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q35cc621fed7ed5b27a67","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q844819065b57808f2d58","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35cc621fed7ed5b27a67","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qb2d40c607a91fecdd74e","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":165,"speaker":"tia***","date":"2026-10-18T11:36:49.681Z","text":"就是公平基金退款","edited":false,"reply_to":"q45ade15718519f1d2389","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2d40c607a91fecdd74e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q45ade15718519f1d2389","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qa04770978b40f8fb6c49","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":166,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-18T11:37:06.533Z","text":"一开始，钱给的哪个农场？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb2d40c607a91fecdd74e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa04770978b40f8fb6c49","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2d40c607a91fecdd74e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qf184b45aec2bb03a7a9b","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":167,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-18T11:37:07.592Z","text":"Medical Supply 不是VOG/GTV； 是借款！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q196b18519c08917e36cb","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf184b45aec2bb03a7a9b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q196b18519c08917e36cb","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q8703c9970a5b469811df","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":168,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-18T11:37:43.658Z","text":"farm loan 无所谓\n照样拉魏丽红","edited":false,"reply_to":"qf184b45aec2bb03a7a9b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8703c9970a5b469811df","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf184b45aec2bb03a7a9b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q40175e86a9531fbc968c","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":169,"speaker":"tia***","date":"2026-10-18T11:40:00.587Z","text":"都汇给了魏……后来说退款, 填了表, 公平给了退款HID号!","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8703c9970a5b469811df","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40175e86a9531fbc968c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8703c9970a5b469811df","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q1466fa631286df903378","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":170,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-18T11:42:00.989Z","text":"哪个法庭文件？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qc5b5b1b5564eef9c3a0a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1466fa631286df903378","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc5b5b1b5564eef9c3a0a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qeab06f14620f2d3538ea","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":171,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-10-18T11:42:16.758Z","text":"是委托了张永兵，就到南区去说张永兵没退款又是共谋的事情。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q40175e86a9531fbc968c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeab06f14620f2d3538ea","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40175e86a9531fbc968c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qd8b92d7c39a8bb86c576","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":172,"speaker":"tia***","date":"2026-10-18T11:44:10.824Z","text":"就是委托张永兵, 后来打电话取消了他的委托","edited":false,"reply_to":"qeab06f14620f2d3538ea","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8b92d7c39a8bb86c576","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeab06f14620f2d3538ea","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q79f8668207cb95f42352","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":173,"speaker":"tia***","date":"2026-10-18T11:44:43.682Z","text":"唉 乱套了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79f8668207cb95f42352","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qbff8c56f6d23395bb880","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":174,"speaker":"tia***","date":"2026-10-18T11:46:07.406Z","text":"给公平打的电话取消","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbff8c56f6d23395bb880","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q6815c7cf5cce397d9fe3","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":175,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-10-18T11:46:16.103Z","text":"不记得了，看一下起诉书307，488，720，尤其看脚注，如果没有，那就是在sec案或者破产案里。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q1466fa631286df903378","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6815c7cf5cce397d9fe3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1466fa631286df903378","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q6585fdbb0be8bf605e61","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":176,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-10-18T11:47:16.417Z","text":"公平是否确认了取消，并明确以后由公平基金来直接负责退款。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbff8c56f6d23395bb880","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6585fdbb0be8bf605e61","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbff8c56f6d23395bb880","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qeff58451f8a927fe1447","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":177,"speaker":"tia***","date":"2026-10-18T11:57:17.249Z","text":"感觉公平也是一个烂摊子, 原来发邮件都不回的, 第一次打电话说没我的信息, 找领导去问, 让我等, [屏蔽词]等了一个星期也没回话, 又电话打过去不是上次接电话的人, 又重复说一遍, 又去找我信息, 等了半天没挂电话说找到了信息, 我说取消张的代理, 她说登记下来了…...","edited":true,"reply_to":"q6585fdbb0be8bf605e61","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeff58451f8a927fe1447","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6585fdbb0be8bf605e61","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q7259385e10d9614cbe96","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":178,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-10-18T12:02:41.874Z","text":"既然公平基金自己都承认了vog的退款在它们那处理，后续需要在公平基金和sec追踪钱是否在公平基金，什么时候退款。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qeff58451f8a927fe1447","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7259385e10d9614cbe96","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeff58451f8a927fe1447","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q81e6373ccf3738c6ce32","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":179,"speaker":"tia***","date":"2026-10-18T12:03:42.656Z","text":"就让等","edited":false,"reply_to":"q7259385e10d9614cbe96","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81e6373ccf3738c6ce32","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7259385e10d9614cbe96","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q425b79084fa828bca776","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":180,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-10-18T12:04:51.064Z","text":"感觉这里面就是有问题，我一开始的猜测很可能会应验，就是魏根本就没有把钱退给公平基金。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q81e6373ccf3738c6ce32","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q425b79084fa828bca776","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81e6373ccf3738c6ce32","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q308952d352b54c36d5b3","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":181,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-10-18T12:05:25.042Z","text":"然后它们就是系统性的用刑事案洗钱。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q308952d352b54c36d5b3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qc913c1ecbf4f8be4aff5","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":182,"speaker":"tia***","date":"2026-10-18T12:05:41.349Z","text":"这个不知道呀!!! 说要等SEC审批","edited":false,"reply_to":"q425b79084fa828bca776","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc913c1ecbf4f8be4aff5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q425b79084fa828bca776","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qded92b214a850b6b73c8","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":183,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-18T12:37:13.885Z","text":"魏到刑事案，是为了栽赃给郭，然后给自己洗白","edited":false,"reply_to":"q308952d352b54c36d5b3","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qded92b214a850b6b73c8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q308952d352b54c36d5b3","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q2242dd251f621d6a6bad","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":184,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-18T13:30:22.846Z","text":"乱套无所谓\n有之前张的授权合同，就可以把这个放到二巡，和 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beg***］ 这个民事Arizona，魏不会怕的，闷钱的怕刑事\nfarm loan投资，只要是汇给了魏关联的这三个公司中任何一个，这部分钱，去向不明\n你可以把汇给medical supply的凭证，放二巡，renew 853n\n南区要开启最终没收，那就需要回应\n你的借贷，是汇款给medical supply，而这个公司不在起诉书，也不在初步没收清单\n那么你的这部分钱，到了哪里？","edited":true,"reply_to":"q92d02e41876e95358135","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d74648dbc0f29f756d5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92d02e41876e95358135","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q2cb26b0da83c8c42b5ea","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":188,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-18T14:29:01.042Z","text":"现在看来，是的\n郭意思还有，要把王雪冰木兰长岛魏，都拉回来刑事案","edited":false,"reply_to":"q6ff2998e9c50b4bdc290","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2cb26b0da83c8c42b5ea","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ff2998e9c50b4bdc290","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qfc566524e494ae367c37","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":189,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-10-18T14:38:51.607Z","text":"政府证据z-26里，农场借贷部分，有一个跟ACA Capital 并列的实体账号：Savio Law\n(PNC 8162)，这个实体不在g enterprise 里，不知道什么来头，从ACA Capital 流入了3200万，从source of funds里流入了1650万，接收其资金的倒是全部在g enterprise 里。不知道这个Savio Law是个什么来头。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc566524e494ae367c37","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q079576c4f9515cf32f59","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":190,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-18T14:41:46.160Z","text":"给9指那里汇款的/农场借款，有上千人 鸦雀无声， 比如， Arizona 那个Medical Supply /G-Serice中的一个帐号的诉讼（被银行封了/被Arizona法庭冻结/）， 法庭文件里说有千人汇款， 但是只有几十个/可能上百？ 在法庭文件中出现要钱（我的理解，可能不对，因为我了解的太少了）， 所以那个诉讼，第一波分完钱后，还剩了一点， 现在在分第二波，我是第二波才介入的， 即使这样， 还有个莫名其妙的追债公司（我猜是那些烂人做的局）要拿70%， 2百70万/特殊法官还贴心的给了8%的利息共3百多万，剩下的给真正的投资人不到30%！ 狠不狠？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8d74648dbc0f29f756d5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q079576c4f9515cf32f59","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d74648dbc0f29f756d5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qf4a9267c16f103338623","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":191,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-18T14:42:43.973Z","text":"不多说，拉9指回刑事案","edited":false,"reply_to":"q079576c4f9515cf32f59","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4a9267c16f103338623","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q079576c4f9515cf32f59","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q0fa66a660be71e5e2232","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":192,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-18T14:42:48.682Z","text":"也就是说，大多数一分钱没拿到，介入的，像我这样的，只能拿回少于30%","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0fa66a660be71e5e2232","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q211f0a9bc97b694026a9","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":193,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T14:42:58.400Z","text":"你可以想象郭案remission是什么场景","edited":false,"reply_to":"q079576c4f9515cf32f59","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q211f0a9bc97b694026a9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q079576c4f9515cf32f59","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q5694549b7835be49b11c","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":194,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-18T14:43:12.173Z","text":"100%！","edited":false,"reply_to":"q211f0a9bc97b694026a9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5694549b7835be49b11c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q211f0a9bc97b694026a9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q3daf2f4f9ff580f4bfff","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":195,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-18T14:43:23.802Z","text":"他们认为我们好欺负","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3daf2f4f9ff580f4bfff","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q2b5f7de5b5f9f78d5975","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":196,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-18T14:43:31.411Z","text":"只剩 渣渣灰","edited":false,"reply_to":"q211f0a9bc97b694026a9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2b5f7de5b5f9f78d5975","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q211f0a9bc97b694026a9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qbfef616e46e41d9b8c38","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":197,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-18T14:44:51.680Z","text":"文乐那帮砸郭的 还有群里 ［用户 may***］  ［用户 _ki***］   ［用户 hah***］ 投了几百万的喜国人 还在幻想检察官正义的化身 主持公道","edited":true,"reply_to":"q2b5f7de5b5f9f78d5975","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfef616e46e41d9b8c38","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2b5f7de5b5f9f78d5975","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"qbc569e1f795512a226f5","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":198,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-18T14:45:32.001Z","text":"Law 这个是什么律所吗？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfc566524e494ae367c37","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc569e1f795512a226f5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc566524e494ae367c37","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q71ccfb671345d9afac10","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":199,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-18T14:45:59.189Z","text":"善伟建 等共产党的人， 会给那些真正的投资人剩一分钱分？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qbfef616e46e41d9b8c38","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71ccfb671345d9afac10","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbfef616e46e41d9b8c38","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"},{"id":"q0566388a592ae0093f3e","batch_id":"batch-000164","seq":200,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-18T14:47:02.478Z","text":"以喜国，养灭爆\n不停换梯队，割韭菜","edited":false,"reply_to":"q71ccfb671345d9afac10","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0566388a592ae0093f3e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71ccfb671345d9afac10","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000164"}],"prev_batch_id":"batch-000163","next_batch_id":"batch-000165"}