{"id":"batch-000165","number":165,"revision":1,"date_start":"2026-10-22T02:52:32.841Z","date_end":"2026-10-29T16:22:06.610Z","total_messages":1037,"summary_en":"Community discussion, batch 165 (Oct 22, 2026 – Oct 29, 2026), 1,037 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Participants discuss disputed accounts of VOG, Maywind and farm lending funds, including transfers, frozen assets, refunds and investor representation. They question victim identification and distinguish a money judgment from property actually controlled by the government. They also debate procedural requirements under 853(n), CVRA and Rule 32, and the prospects for overturning decisions. Other discussions concern GETTR ownership, alleged disclosure of investor information, prosecutorial discretion and possible political influence; ECF 716-4 and ruling 858 are referenced.","guide_en":[{"title":"VOG and Maywind funds, freezes and refunds","description":"Participants dispute where funds went and which investors can seek refunds.","message_ids":["q386bde7e322e19eb16ea","qcd687c6197597273b4b6","qf25c41f495aab200950c"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q386bde7e322e19eb16ea","summary_en":"joh*** estimates that only $10 million of VOG funds was effectively frozen after transfers and a $46 million check."},{"message_id":"qcd687c6197597273b4b6","summary_en":"joh*** contends that investors awaiting refunds through VOG or Sara could pursue Wei."},{"message_id":"qf25c41f495aab200950c","summary_en":"joh*** argues that $46 million remained on VOG's books for civil refunds after a $64 million transfer, but refunds were delayed."}]},{"title":"Lending funds, the $46 million check and farm loans","description":"A participant questions amounts and the treatment of farm lending funds.","message_ids":["q36aa557aeb57df474bda","q3fb8f619c37668d98fe9","q5a4e3dbb3384e3e371af"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q36aa557aeb57df474bda","summary_en":"beg*** questions whether a reported $89 million transfer accounted for all farm loan funds."},{"message_id":"q3fb8f619c37668d98fe9","summary_en":"beg*** asks for the source of the $117 million figure."},{"message_id":"q5a4e3dbb3384e3e371af","summary_en":"beg*** asks why farm loan funds were not seized if prosecutors considered the enterprise a criminal organization."}]},{"title":"Civil litigation, investor representation and recovery","description":"A participant challenges representation and discusses limits on recovery.","message_ids":["q74585c9cfad167dc2ac1","q534599cf7b6cd11adccc","qa4e6352dbb9976a1a321"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q74585c9cfad167dc2ac1","summary_en":"joh*** alleges withheld Maywind loan funds and contends that $4 million entrusted by other investors was excluded from refunds."},{"message_id":"q534599cf7b6cd11adccc","summary_en":"joh*** disputes Long Island's eligibility to represent farm loan investors and alleges inadequate disclosure."},{"message_id":"qa4e6352dbb9976a1a321","summary_en":"joh*** describes him***'s view that private claimants can pursue distribution under 853(n) but cannot challenge funds prosecutors did not seize."}]},{"title":"Money judgments, frozen assets and third-party interests","description":"Participants distinguish the judgment from forfeited property and third-party claims.","message_ids":["qec2f8d1f0109e073f8c2","q9789c382dad8719cb179","q82572c24a0c8d3d58bb0"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"qec2f8d1f0109e073f8c2","summary_en":"kir*** asks whether the $889 million includes Mahwah and a settlement with Luc exceeding $100 million."},{"message_id":"q9789c382dad8719cb179","summary_en":"kir*** says the property is included in forfeiture but is unsure whether it is included in the money judgment."},{"message_id":"q82572c24a0c8d3d58bb0","summary_en":"reb*** argues that the $889 million judgment differs from assets actually controlled by the government and disputes the treatment of third-party interests under 858."}]},{"title":"Victim identification, losses and Fair Fund refunds","description":"Participants question victim statements, appeal prospects and refund accounting.","message_ids":["q5543e6c23b8e4f173b05","q192fdbfad10b582ade7a","q603114069565a94e98c2"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q5543e6c23b8e4f173b05","summary_en":"joh*** questions the authenticity of victim statements in Wang's case and alleges misuse of investor details."},{"message_id":"q192fdbfad10b582ade7a","summary_en":"sar*** predicts that the Second Circuit will hear private claimants but ultimately reject their claims."},{"message_id":"q603114069565a94e98c2","summary_en":"joh*** asks whether GTV Fair Fund refunds should be deducted from the $1.4 billion involved."}]},{"title":"Procedure under 853(n), 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unfairness."},{"message_id":"q1f858c0ce8e360bfd0f1","summary_en":"kir*** contends that the Second Circuit mentioned a participant to support overturning the case."},{"message_id":"q4f4db26a7627587786a9","summary_en":"kir*** asks how many people filed motions to vacate and how many sought dismissal."}]},{"title":"AAA and Nivora disclosure proceedings and GETTR ownership","description":"A participant describes court proceedings and assesses ownership evidence.","message_ids":["q9d15623c87db13818114","q2f4eb82f4e1c70e09cca","q0139587a3d850565d858"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q9d15623c87db13818114","summary_en":"roy*** describes 2026 ONSC 2943 and 2026 ONSC 5735, case 420/26 ML, as rejecting special disclosure and leave to appeal without deciding the underlying claims."},{"message_id":"q2f4eb82f4e1c70e09cca","summary_en":"roy*** argues that available evidence supports continued operation by GETTR USA, Inc. and does not establish a transfer to a new company."},{"message_id":"q0139587a3d850565d858","summary_en":"roy*** cites ECF 716-4 as evidence that Hamilton held 95% of GETTR while cautioning that it does not establish ultimate control."}]},{"title":"Platform operations, GETTR coin data and G Fashion","description":"Participants question platform transactions and G Fashion's treatment.","message_ids":["q99ad55b05ca549e09dd1","q86d9bbc524b2c7190a56","qebcf74fc105db12885e1"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q99ad55b05ca549e09dd1","summary_en":"reb*** alleges that earlier GETTR coin data was deleted and funds were transferred again."},{"message_id":"q86d9bbc524b2c7190a56","summary_en":"joh*** asks whether Hamilton's ownership explains GETTR's continued operation despite some funds being taken."},{"message_id":"qebcf74fc105db12885e1","summary_en":"joh*** alleges that G Fashion changed its name after receiving loan funds and questions its absence from charges and the forfeiture list."}]},{"title":"Alleged disclosure of investor information","description":"Participants question the evidence for an alleged leak.","message_ids":["q71d8e726db38f1465e45","qe93676346bd67bb9acb6","qc8e12343867878c7a44d"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q71d8e726db38f1465e45","summary_en":"sar*** asks whether a statement admitted that investor information was given to the Chinese government."},{"message_id":"qe93676346bd67bb9acb6","summary_en":"kir*** says there was no direct admission but recounts an allegation attributed to a state security officer."},{"message_id":"qc8e12343867878c7a44d","summary_en":"beg*** alleges widespread disclosure of investor information and suggests arguing its materiality under 858."}]},{"title":"Prosecution, forfeiture discretion and politics","description":"Participants discuss alleged interference, forfeiture discretion and elections.","message_ids":["q3795e24e974ce29eb5f2","q510603dcb37c510ba8a9","qa92278b1f949fedbacbe"],"quotes":[{"message_id":"q3795e24e974ce29eb5f2","summary_en":"kir*** alleges that alliance farms interfered with judicial proceedings."},{"message_id":"q510603dcb37c510ba8a9","summary_en":"beg*** describes 858 as saying the government can decide which assets to forfeit."},{"message_id":"qa92278b1f949fedbacbe","summary_en":"ntp*** speculates that people are waiting for the midterm elections."}]}],"summary":"讨论主要围绕涉案资金、投资者权益和司法程序展开。参与者对VOG、Maywind及农场借贷资金的流向、冻结状态和退款范围有不同说法，也追问支票金额、民事和解及代理资格的证据。有人质疑受害者认定和授权人数，另有讨论关注投资损失、股东权利及资金追索路径。关于司法程序，参与者区分金钱判决、实际冻结资产与第三方权益，并争论853(n)、CVRA和Rule 32的适用次序；对二巡文件、第三方动议及翻案前景亦有不同解读。其他话题包括平台运营与股权证据、个人信息疑遭泄露、检方起诉范围，以及政治因素可能产生的影响；其中一些说法和推测的真实性仍有争议。","guide":[{"title":"VOG、Maywind资金去向、冻结状态与退款范围","message_ids":["q386bde7e322e19eb16ea","qcd687c6197597273b4b6","qf25c41f495aab200950c"]},{"title":"借贷资金、4600万美元支票与农场借款：金额和证据争议","message_ids":["q36aa557aeb57df474bda","q3fb8f619c37668d98fe9","q5a4e3dbb3384e3e371af"]},{"title":"民事和解、投资者代理资格与追索路径","message_ids":["q74585c9cfad167dc2ac1","q534599cf7b6cd11adccc","qa4e6352dbb9976a1a321"]},{"title":"金钱判决、冻结资产及第三方权益如何区分","message_ids":["qec2f8d1f0109e073f8c2","q9789c382dad8719cb179","q82572c24a0c8d3d58bb0"]},{"title":"受害者认定、投资者损失与公平基金退款","message_ids":["q5543e6c23b8e4f173b05","q192fdbfad10b582ade7a","q603114069565a94e98c2"]},{"title":"853(n)、CVRA与Rule 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beg***］ 张的话，我觉得重点在闷退款这块儿\n以郭为例，在GTV部分无罪，因为陪审团认为已经在退款，也就是说投资者可以收回钱，没有损失\n而张的共谋身份，违规接受退款，是投资者没拿到退款，造成损失的主因，所以这部分可以CVRA针对他个人","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb996b7128715019dc70","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000165"},{"id":"qb4454fea06bcb22487d0","batch_id":"batch-000165","seq":1002,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-29T12:30:07.559Z","text":"张永兵闷钱这件事，谁有直接证据？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qeb996b7128715019dc70","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4454fea06bcb22487d0","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb996b7128715019dc70","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000165"},{"id":"q160c2b0410441b8b6275","batch_id":"batch-000165","seq":1003,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-29T12:31:22.266Z","text":"也就是说， 投资人联系了公平基金， 公平基金说钱已经打给了张， 但是投资人没收到张的退款","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q160c2b0410441b8b6275","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000165"},{"id":"q973130c71e74c93fecf3","batch_id":"batch-000165","seq":1004,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-10-29T12:35:18.681Z","text":"目前为止，还没有一个把退款委托给张的人，出来分享说公平基金把钱给了张，然后张又说没收到。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q160c2b0410441b8b6275","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q973130c71e74c93fecf3","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q160c2b0410441b8b6275","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000165"},{"id":"qf0ea65e87a946f984cfd","batch_id":"batch-000165","seq":1005,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-10-29T12:36:39.560Z","text":"感觉公平基金的人精准的在张收款的问题上打马虎眼。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0ea65e87a946f984cfd","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000165"},{"id":"q232e66566f753f6e78fe","batch_id":"batch-000165","seq":1006,"speaker":"tan***","date":"2026-10-29T12:38:17.676Z","text":"之前张让公正的应该几十号人，不知道啥情况，个人的我知道是收到款了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q232e66566f753f6e78fe","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000165"},{"id":"q9d8405eeaaffc39eb22c","batch_id":"batch-000165","seq":1007,"speaker":"tan***","date":"2026-10-29T12:38:58.578Z","text":"有几个人收到","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d8405eeaaffc39eb22c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000165"},{"id":"q384f14f2fbe5d4d79f3b","batch_id":"batch-000165","seq":1008,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-29T12:45:12.140Z","text":"之前不是青联盟，发过一个公告吧\n某次工作汇报，说公平基金退款，在张那里\n让委托的人，等通知","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb4454fea06bcb22487d0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q384f14f2fbe5d4d79f3b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4454fea06bcb22487d0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000165"},{"id":"qbc9d67244d694a2a5e1a","batch_id":"batch-000165","seq":1009,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-29T12:56:36.785Z","text":"个人申请的，和这个无关","edited":false,"reply_to":"q232e66566f753f6e78fe","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc9d67244d694a2a5e1a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q232e66566f753f6e78fe","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000165"},{"id":"q77e546189793c29fc565","batch_id":"batch-000165","seq":1010,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-29T12:57:06.038Z","text":"委托给张的，都没有拿到","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77e546189793c29fc565","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000165"},{"id":"qf2c81a4f29bd1a051e84","batch_id":"batch-000165","seq":1011,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-29T12:58:46.131Z","text":"这里不用管张所谓的“需要时间，走程序”这类借口\n他是共谋，本就没有资格，收款","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2c81a4f29bd1a051e84","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000165"},{"id":"q5c6d90759a8934dee4b6","batch_id":"batch-000165","seq":1012,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-29T12:59:47.708Z","text":"没拿到，那么责任人就找张","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c6d90759a8934dee4b6","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000165"},{"id":"q0616b9f578f1d7475c69","batch_id":"batch-000165","seq":1013,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-10-29T13:06:15.249Z","text":"就说张被列为共谋后，没有主动因为利益冲突或者其它对应的原因，公开表示不再代理收款。这个最好是委托给张收款的人去说。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0616b9f578f1d7475c69","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000165"},{"id":"q4d88223ecceed4c24ede","batch_id":"batch-000165","seq":1014,"speaker":"tan***","date":"2026-10-29T13:26:22.703Z","text":"在哪能够确定这个钱已经退到张了？公平基金？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q384f14f2fbe5d4d79f3b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d88223ecceed4c24ede","reply_url":"h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