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him***］ 安小东也没有价值","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q148881eb6ff8b23e12e3","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"qad61db9df8fec78c8669","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":820,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-11-01T07:00:05.780Z","text":"不是第三梯队，没人会鸟她","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad61db9df8fec78c8669","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q69b05db3f67c7aee487e","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":821,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-11-01T07:00:39.978Z","text":"倒是她天天拱的螺丝哥，把300骨干快拱死了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69b05db3f67c7aee487e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q93b15419975ec3208fad","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":822,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-11-01T07:02:00.247Z","text":"［用户 kir***］ 上庭的受害者，投资走向都很明确，电汇到联盟账户","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93b15419975ec3208fad","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q07642d6bf84a559a70b8","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":823,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-11-01T07:02:37.080Z","text":"但是报案的，许多被魏，闷钱的，钱没有到联盟，被魏闷了\n魏是作假证，钱都给了郭指定的账户","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07642d6bf84a559a70b8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q76c20caadcc20448e1e1","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":824,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-11-01T07:05:05.159Z","text":"我靠，是这样的，拿借贷举例，本是钱到maywind，它给联盟指定的ACA capital，然后有合同\n但是魏故意拦截，等着郭让她转，留下郭指挥的证据 ［用户 kir***］","edited":true,"reply_to":"q07642d6bf84a559a70b8","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76c20caadcc20448e1e1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07642d6bf84a559a70b8","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q569aa1d8a2956565a19c","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":825,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-11-01T07:05:43.603Z","text":"同时不转完，自己留一部分，这样这批投资者，是没合同的，再去报案","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q569aa1d8a2956565a19c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q55565dd7bc5c5574732c","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":826,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-11-01T07:09:37.453Z","text":"魏截流投资，闷钱，别人没合同，拿不到借贷的利息，报案，这也没错","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55565dd7bc5c5574732c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q3b80a2e961e9564b444c","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":827,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-11-01T07:10:07.669Z","text":"明白了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3b80a2e961e9564b444c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"qb21a19a130cadb060f31","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":828,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-11-01T07:11:04.158Z","text":"如果你描述的事实能够被证据证实——控辩双方的证人、证据来源和证据形成过程，都受到同一个机构的误导、控制或操纵；而这个机构中的多人又被法院认定为涉案共谋者——那么，这已经不只是一般的证据瑕疵，也不只是律师没有充分辩护。\n\n我认为最准确的概括是：\n\n共同来源控制导致的司法程序系统性污染\n\nSystemic Contamination of the Adversarial Process Through a Common Source of Control\n\n它包含三个层次：\n\n1. 证据来源被控制：Evidentiary-source contamination\n\n问题不只是某个证人说了假话，而是证据形成的整个渠道可能被同一个利益网络控制：\n\n* 谁被选为证人；\n* 谁收集、筛选和整理证据；\n* 谁决定哪些投资人被定义为受害者；\n* 谁向辩方提供材料；\n* 谁向检方提供材料；\n* 谁组织第三方提交材料；\n* 谁对证人和投资人的陈述施加影响。\n\n如果同一个机构在这些环节都具有实际控制力，那么法庭看到的可能不是彼此独立的证据来源，而是同一个来源体系生产出来的多组证据。\n\n这会动摇证据的独立性、可靠性和可核验性。\n\n2. 控辩双方同时受到影响：Corruption of Adversarial Testing\n\n这是你提出的问题中最特殊的地方。\n\n正常刑事审判的基本结构是：\n\n* 检方提出证据；\n* 辩方检验检方证据；\n* 双方对证据来源、证人动机和真实性展开对抗；\n* 法官独立判断。\n\n但如果控辩双方都依赖同一个受到争议的机构提供的证人或证据，而双方又都没有充分核查这个机构的利益关系、人员角色和证据来源，就可能出现一种反常结构：\n\n表面上存在控辩双方，实际上双方都没有真正独立地检验证据来源。\n\n这比单纯的辩方没有提出某项证据更深一层，因为问题可能已经进入整个审判的证据生产和验证机制。\n\n3. 共谋者参与证据生产：Conspirator-Influenced Evidentiary Process\n\n如果其中一些人确实被法院认定为共谋者，那么问题就更复杂。\n\n但这里必须精确区分：\n\n* 法院认定某些人的特定陈述符合 Rule 801(d)(2)(E)，不等于认定整个机构都是共谋组织；\n* 被认定为共谋者，也不意味着其所有陈述、证据和行为都自动属于共谋行为；\n* 更不意味着他们在所有事项上都没有独立利益。\n\n真正需要追问的是：\n\n这些具有共谋者身份的人，是否同时参与了证人组织、证据收集、投资人分类、第三方材料提交，以及向控辩双方提供信息的过程？\n\n如果答案是肯定的，就需要审查他们是否把共谋内部的利益、叙事和信息筛选机制带进了司法程序。\n\n放在郭案中，最值得调查的是什么？\n\n我认为应该把问题从“联盟是不是污染了司法程序”进一步推进到一个可以验证的命题：\n\n一个被指参与涉案共谋的组织网络，是否同时成为控辩双方证人和证据的重要来源，并参与了证据筛选、证人组织和第三方司法材料的形成；而法院是否在没有充分独立核验其利益关系、证据来源和人员角色的情况下，接受并使用了这些材料？\n\n如果这个命题成立，它就不再只是“某个律师没有做好工作”。\n\n它可能意味着：审判所依赖的证据验证机制本身出现了系统性失灵。\n\n不过，要把它变成可诉的法律主张，必须建立具体的证据链：\n\n1. 同一机构具体控制了哪些证人和证据；\n2. 哪些人员被法院认定为共谋者，他们在机构中承担什么角色；\n3. 控辩双方分别使用了哪些由该网络提供或形成的材料；\n4. 双方是否知道或应当知道这些材料的来源和利益冲突；\n5. 法院是否收到过具体污染指控，却没有进行必要的独立审查；\n6. 这些问题究竟影响了定罪、量刑，还是没收金额。\n\n我的核心判断是：你提出的不是单纯的“辩护律师失职”，而是一个可能同时涉及证据来源污染、控辩对抗机制失灵和司法程序完整性的复合型问题。 Cronic 可以成为其中辩护失灵这一条线的法律路径，但不能单独覆盖整个问题。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb21a19a130cadb060f31","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"qcac4962747a2fda52f7c","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":829,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-11-01T07:11:54.349Z","text":"魏等刑事案立案，再去指证，听郭指挥，转钱\n把maywind-ACA capital这个正常渠道，描述成了洗钱","edited":false,"reply_to":"q55565dd7bc5c5574732c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcac4962747a2fda52f7c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55565dd7bc5c5574732c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q55ea8a21ff27a407a50a","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":830,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-11-01T07:12:24.464Z","text":"［用户 joh***］  这个案子根基没了","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55ea8a21ff27a407a50a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"qc007f62ad1097c5002ba","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":831,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-11-01T07:13:33.140Z","text":"300骨干，真的成了rico邪教黑帮了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q55ea8a21ff27a407a50a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc007f62ad1097c5002ba","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55ea8a21ff27a407a50a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q5c9d810d1cba5d294bf4","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":832,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-11-01T07:13:57.837Z","text":"三、最严重的情况：控辩双方都依赖同一个有争议的证据来源\n\n这是你整个理论中最值得重视的部分。\n\n假设：\n\n* 检方通过联盟网络获取证人和证据；\n* 辩方也通过联盟网络获取证人和证据；\n* 联盟中的部分关键人物又被认定为共谋者；\n* 联盟人员还参与组织投资人、筛选材料、形成第三方司法申请；\n* 对这些人员的利益冲突、证据来源和实际控制关系，没有得到充分独立调查。\n\n那么就可能出现一个非常严重的结构性问题：\n\n控辩双方看似在进行独立对抗，但双方实际使用的证据基础，都可能依赖同一个没有得到充分独立审查的信息网络。\n\n这意味着，传统的“检方提出证据、辩方交叉质证、法官判断”的机制可能没有真正检验证据背后的来源体系。\n\n不过，必须证明双方使用的具体材料和证据链确实存在这种关联，不能仅凭双方都接触过联盟人员就得出结论。\n\n四、这是否意味着整个案件的根基不存在了？\n\n我会区分三个可能的证明结果：\n\n第一种：联盟只是部分证据来源存在问题。\n\n那么影响可能局限于特定证人、特定陈述、特定损失计算，其他有独立来源的证据仍然可以成立。\n\n第二种：联盟是案件中多个关键证据渠道的共同来源，而且其利益冲突和操纵行为没有得到充分披露或核验。\n\n那么就可能出现系统性证据可靠性问题，涉及 Dkt. 388、辩护律师的调查义务、量刑证据及没收金额。影响范围可能远远超过一份证据裁定。\n\n第三种：联盟实际上控制了案件关键证据的生产、筛选和呈现，控辩双方均未进行有效独立核验，而且法院的关键裁定建立在这些被误导的材料上。\n\n这才是你所说的整个案件基础可能受到动摇的情形。\n\n如果进一步证明这种情况实质性破坏了被告获得公平审判的权利，就可能产生宪法层面的挑战。\n\n但即使到了第三种情况，也需要分析哪些定罪、裁定和没收决定受到影响，不能直接推导出全部判决无效。\n\n⸻\n\n五、我认为你现在应该抓住一个核心问题\n\n不是简单地证明：\n\n联盟是共谋者，所以联盟提供的证据不可信。\n\n而是证明：\n\n法院在审判和量刑过程中，没有充分区分联盟作为被指共谋网络、Farm 管理网络、证人信息来源和投资人组织网络的不同身份；与此同时，控辩双方均在不同程度上依赖该网络提供或形成的材料，而该网络内部人员的利益冲突、独立行为和证据形成过程没有得到充分的独立审查。\n\n这个论证比简单攻击某个证人有力得多。\n\n因为它针对的是法院如何形成事实认定的整个过程。\n\n我还想强调一个关键区别：Second Circuit 曾经收到大量关于第三方提交材料和联盟相关问题的申请，但这不等于二巡已经认定联盟污染了司法程序。你需要把这些申请、法院收到的具体警告、实际使用的证据和最终裁定逐一连接起来。\n\n我的结论：郭案的根基是否被动摇，取决于联盟是否只是一个有争议的证据来源，还是实际上成为了整个案件证据生产和验证体系的共同控制节点。后者如果能够证明，问题就不再是某几份证据错了，而是法院赖以认定事实的证据验证机制本身可能出了问题。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c9d810d1cba5d294bf4","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q430e32cfa790f0cdd572","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":833,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-11-01T07:14:14.779Z","text":"［用户 joh***］ 我靠","edited":true,"reply_to":"q5c9d810d1cba5d294bf4","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q430e32cfa790f0cdd572","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c9d810d1cba5d294bf4","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q86c24c8a4f64ff76f076","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":834,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-11-01T07:14:44.166Z","text":"检方证人，文乐 陈薇 不也是喜国人\n参与投资的中间环节","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q86c24c8a4f64ff76f076","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"qb0744af2ce3cd1155216","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":835,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-11-01T07:14:55.641Z","text":"螺丝哥又他妈说对了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q86c24c8a4f64ff76f076","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb0744af2ce3cd1155216","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q86c24c8a4f64ff76f076","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q4a97382f5f8ee68d7516","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":836,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-11-01T07:15:03.287Z","text":"所有人 都要先变成支持者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a97382f5f8ee68d7516","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q49997abb0bb9a73fc48e","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":837,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-11-01T07:15:08.873Z","text":"你才能变成受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q49997abb0bb9a73fc48e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q2b0f420c6f50e331ace0","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":838,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-11-01T07:15:35.386Z","text":"这里面的身份冲突就多了 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怎么还帮检方找证人了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8115710e95a5922e864f","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q73a0c6cdb6f92bf5a8cc","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":861,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-11-01T07:25:55.000Z","text":"污点证人，上去的就是李娅","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q73a0c6cdb6f92bf5a8cc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q918a8cde844203d8fab0","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":862,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-11-01T07:26:08.063Z","text":"文乐 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是瑞恩神预言的","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88b3db50058ef8db21d1","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q92e797d0e9676b2849ac","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":866,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-11-01T07:29:41.984Z","text":"检方也用青藤的证据 不说他受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92e797d0e9676b2849ac","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q71f0b8196d0be38dccbf","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":867,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-11-01T07:30:04.352Z","text":"法庭上 853n gavenman 和盖尔 都他妈是联盟欺诈填表的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71f0b8196d0be38dccbf","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q1d75491d79865907b80e","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":868,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-11-01T07:30:11.801Z","text":"也就是说 所有人都是联盟的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d75491d79865907b80e","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q3269d28a8ca4ef0dfbbd","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":869,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-11-01T07:30:34.108Z","text":"所有人 所有证据 都是作假 污染 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may***］ [删节：成员身份]以为量刑就能撤退，完结","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf285d5220154e57cb6d5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q90f1449568c95e50a832","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":910,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-11-01T07:58:02.255Z","text":"没想到量刑拉了个大的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90f1449568c95e50a832","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"qf5477e0b7623b56de72f","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":911,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-11-01T07:58:23.269Z","text":"这个想法最天真的是 ［用户 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上海农场的大卫秃子，也以为结束","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6cc65d1363ca130cfc2d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q5926088c9fbf3c628780","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":913,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-11-01T07:59:08.326Z","text":"当时在群里，用中英文，发消息，不知道他怎么想的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5926088c9fbf3c628780","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"qb92025f87f98ddb7a835","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":914,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-11-01T08:00:02.626Z","text":"https://x.com/ruienxiaoge3/status/2116802353961877877?s=46","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":true,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb92025f87f98ddb7a835","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q3baf3924de259817d95b","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":915,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-11-01T08:00:20.580Z","text":"好像还带点拉丁文 😂","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5926088c9fbf3c628780","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3baf3924de259817d95b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5926088c9fbf3c628780","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q2955a6576afe4cb77df5","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":916,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-11-01T08:03:19.281Z","text":"［用户 _ki***］  ［用户 may***］  ［用户 him***］  ［用户 hah***］  和解费两亿美金 园区诈骗的钱赶紧拿来孝敬我 联盟的钱 全部给我","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2955a6576afe4cb77df5","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q15ca5f492bc6e2020cfd","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":917,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-11-01T08:05:44.333Z","text":"还有就是检方要让他们当受害人咬老郭，这跟共谋身份是冲突的。就算共谋成立检方也不会拆自己梯子","edited":false,"reply_to":"q5d2e4974a9a285a2b1cf","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15ca5f492bc6e2020cfd","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d2e4974a9a285a2b1cf","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q5f3d0cf90c3d5b38bea1","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":918,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-11-01T08:06:22.587Z","text":"等检方卖人","edited":false,"reply_to":"q15ca5f492bc6e2020cfd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f3d0cf90c3d5b38bea1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15ca5f492bc6e2020cfd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q215b693e8f947b1c2ae5","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":919,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-11-01T08:06:31.151Z","text":"检方让共谋当受害人 有没有record支持？","edited":false,"reply_to":"q15ca5f492bc6e2020cfd","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q215b693e8f947b1c2ae5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15ca5f492bc6e2020cfd","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q7bc1bc2c255983ea41ab","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":920,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-11-01T08:07:07.922Z","text":"木兰庭审记录里说了吧","edited":false,"reply_to":"q215b693e8f947b1c2ae5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7bc1bc2c255983ea41ab","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q215b693e8f947b1c2ae5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q5e26bd4649edb3a6e021","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":921,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-11-01T08:07:34.289Z","text":"Sara有没有说？ ［用户 beg***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e26bd4649edb3a6e021","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q0e3165f053ff8bfd33a8","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":922,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-11-01T08:07:49.682Z","text":"［用户 roy***］ 检方有没有让长岛 魏等共谋犯当受害者的庭审记录？","edited":true,"reply_to":"q7bc1bc2c255983ea41ab","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e3165f053ff8bfd33a8","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7bc1bc2c255983ea41ab","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q9550f617dfd6b655754a","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":923,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-11-01T08:09:09.204Z","text":"粪青这个冒牌的秘书长，虽然没上名单，但他的身份也算共谋吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9550f617dfd6b655754a","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q5da936c8a0e250e23872","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":924,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-11-01T08:09:25.185Z","text":"他是受害者 别忘了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9550f617dfd6b655754a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5da936c8a0e250e23872","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9550f617dfd6b655754a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q222fef072bf900a736f8","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":925,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-11-01T08:09:29.309Z","text":"他不是共谋","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q222fef072bf900a736f8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q63d0922718925cf865bc","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":926,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-11-01T08:09:47.272Z","text":"共谋只有388order里面","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q63d0922718925cf865bc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q8d814987d642d949cf47","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":927,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-11-01T08:10:02.226Z","text":"但388里说农场主都是共谋，他那会也是农场管理层吧","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d814987d642d949cf47","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"qb7850684b621ad80ad51","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":928,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-11-01T08:10:15.180Z","text":"这个说不太清楚","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb7850684b621ad80ad51","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q4c8f97e3bb14586a02df","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":929,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-11-01T08:12:24.749Z","text":"388里，托雷斯是把魏夏张戴四个归类为农场这一块的共谋，并没有说农场管理层全都是，然后有说联盟是诈骗工具。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q8d814987d642d949cf47","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c8f97e3bb14586a02df","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d814987d642d949cf47","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"qa85fef87332d8bc568d9","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":930,"speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-11-01T08:14:11.310Z","text":"是的。他们在6/29的第二天的聚会就是庆功会，大厅门口就是3.15郭被抓日。这个Sarah 已经写在二巡的文档里了，还有图片。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q224dfd523dfa951d1469","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa85fef87332d8bc568d9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q224dfd523dfa951d1469","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q38bbf3521347953cfb16","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":931,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-11-01T08:14:22.312Z","text":"第三方堆积的现有证据，基本可以把联盟农场是一不同于政府版本的犯罪集团这一点给拼出来了，剩下的问题是，谁在经营这个犯罪集团。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38bbf3521347953cfb16","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q393682be0e28bea22824","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":932,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-11-01T08:16:00.459Z","text":"目前找到的庭审记录，能证明检方把长岛（Xia Qidong）和魏（Sara Wei）列为参与共谋的人员，但还不能证明检方同时把他们作为“诈骗受害者”向陪审团介绍。\n这里要区分三个身份：\n共谋者：法院为采纳特定庭外陈述，认定其参与相关共谋。\n受害者：检方把其个人投资损失作为被告诈骗造成的损失。\n证人：本人出庭作证，或其陈述被其他证人、文件引入庭审。\n同一个人可能同时是共谋参与者和某项诈骗的受害者，法律上并非绝对互斥。但如果检方隐瞒其参与共谋的事实，却将其包装成完全无辜的投资者，就需要进一步审查证据披露、证人可信度及损失计算。\n已经确认的原始记录\n23-cr-118，ECF 388，2024年7月1日，第8—9页：\nTorres法官明确认定，Xia Qidong、Sara Wei、David Dai、Zhang Yongbing参与了与Farms有关的共谋，并允许附件A所列相关陈述作为共谋者陈述采纳。\n但是，388号裁定没有因此认定他们各自的投资款属于被诈骗损失，也没有把他们列为出庭受害者。\n又找到两份更直接的庭审记录\n1. ECF 344，2024年5月21日，第2页\n检方明确称 Victim-1 是受害者，并说明她与长岛联系、按长岛指示汇款购买GTV股票，后来向长岛要求退款遭拒。\n也就是说，检方把长岛描述为向受害者发出指令的人，而不是把长岛本人描述为受害者。\n2. 2024年5月23日庭审，第395页\nTorres法官当庭说明，检方准备让 Victim-1 和 Victim-2 出庭，介绍长岛和David Dai的陈述。长岛被明确称为 alleged co-conspirator（被指控的共谋者）。\n3. 关于魏（Sara Wei）\n2024年5月28日庭审第335页，辩方指出，Le Zhou曾把钱交给魏，由魏代其投资GTV，并提出魏可能私自拿走资金的说法。这属于辩方的争议主张，并非已经证实的事实。\n目前结论\n没有找到检方在庭审中明确把长岛或Sara Wei本人作为诈骗受害者介绍的记录。\n但是，还有一个更关键的问题尚未查清：\n检方在量刑阶段提交的受害者名单、受害者陈述以及损失计算中，有没有把长岛、魏或其他被388号认定为共谋者的人列入？\n如果列入，就需要进一步区分其个人真实损失、代其他投资人收取的资金，以及其本人参与操作的交易。\n下一步应优先核对 ECF 831—833及相关受害者陈述附件，再对照388号共谋者名单。不能仅凭庭审没有称他们为受害者，就认定量刑或赔偿程序也没有把他们计入。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q393682be0e28bea22824","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"qecd088cedbcfce047eef","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":933,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-11-01T08:20:26.211Z","text":"目前更关键的新增线索是：张永兵在2023年保释裁定中曾被称为“被指受害者”，后又被388号作共谋认定。另有受害者陈述直接指控长岛、Sara Wei处理退款，而非将二人列作受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qecd088cedbcfce047eef","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"qeeb97e39fbfb43643f08","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":934,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-11-01T08:24:53.476Z","text":"郭案结束了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeeb97e39fbfb43643f08","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"qddca1662fb98773ae1ba","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":935,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-11-01T08:25:18.717Z","text":"以联盟全员为代价","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qddca1662fb98773ae1ba","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q8bbab223d025c7f24367","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":936,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-11-01T08:26:02.897Z","text":"结束了","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8bbab223d025c7f24367","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q5dcbee9d7f209194469d","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":937,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-11-01T08:26:19.994Z","text":"没意义了 各位 ［用户 _ki***］  ［用户 may***］  ［用户 him***］  ［用户 hah***］","edited":true,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5dcbee9d7f209194469d","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q2f6ff9c9fd1497af12c4","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":938,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-11-01T08:27:56.687Z","text":"张这个，是保释时候，那个什么HCHK债权人","edited":false,"reply_to":"qecd088cedbcfce047eef","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f6ff9c9fd1497af12c4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qecd088cedbcfce047eef","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q21489081f90d149c7e29","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":939,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-11-01T08:28:10.501Z","text":"张也是委员会的，当然是受害者","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q21489081f90d149c7e29","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q9a24c7fe6cf95a1bb003","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":940,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-11-01T08:29:11.001Z","text":"［用户 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长岛 共谋都不能算，就是独立诈骗的","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb56746ca68be98b587d7","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q5d8289dd91d9f034a341","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":980,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-11-01T10:48:45.392Z","text":"农场闷钱，就是投资款的终端，农场主负责","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d8289dd91d9f034a341","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166"},{"id":"q631cc81752a8c4c837e7","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":981,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-11-01T10:57:25.633Z","text":"［用户 him***］ 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