{"id":"q03842004ea1c9f0e9970","batch_id":"batch-000040","seq":874,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-09-23T03:07:42.076Z","text":"那种说法是故意把简单的事情说乱。事实是：破产法庭通过不正当程序认定我们的钱属于被告，然后检方以此为证据，证明：被告已经通过欺骗的手段，实质性的剥夺了投资者支配其财产的权利，从而产生了受害者。就是破产法庭把我们的钱转移为被告的破产资产供luc挥霍和虚假债权人侵占，被检方说成是被告通过欺骗手段完成了对投资者财产的占有，破产法庭的不经正当程序的资产判定，成为检方这一叙事的证据。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q34cfe9aa1920f75c7615","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03842004ea1c9f0e9970","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34cfe9aa1920f75c7615","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000040","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03842004ea1c9f0e9970","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03842004ea1c9f0e9970/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q03842004ea1c9f0e9970","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qf35cb121f85b4bf37558","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-09-23T03:05:20.919Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf35cb121f85b4bf37558"},{"id":"qefc55cfb80465725f5b8","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-09-23T03:06:49.242Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qefc55cfb80465725f5b8"},{"id":"qec4ca4f5f9c8d573b89a","speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-09-23T03:07:01.407Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec4ca4f5f9c8d573b89a"},{"id":"qd9124c2a9227f66e3445","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-09-23T03:08:16.641Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd9124c2a9227f66e3445"},{"id":"q3d8db0db76d9c984ea0e","speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-09-23T03:42:02.116Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d8db0db76d9c984ea0e"},{"id":"q433f449c3ab512061ae9","speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-09-23T04:19:59.043Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q433f449c3ab512061ae9"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q34cfe9aa1920f75c7615","speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-09-23T03:00:51.355Z","text":"这就是案件最基本的矛盾点了吧。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34cfe9aa1920f75c7615"}}