{"id":"q046866cd9304786959f5","batch_id":"batch-000143","seq":298,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-07T04:39:40.813Z","text":"老椅子群的几百人不都是去要钱的吗？","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q2e4b6d50f26f3f55c4f5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q046866cd9304786959f5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e4b6d50f26f3f55c4f5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000143","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q046866cd9304786959f5","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q046866cd9304786959f5/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q046866cd9304786959f5","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qdcf5ca5893e27b405d0a","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-07T04:35:40.042Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdcf5ca5893e27b405d0a"},{"id":"q2cd331c445e7bb704fe1","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-07T04:36:05.798Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2cd331c445e7bb704fe1"},{"id":"q3c6b6be718f96f993b3f","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-07T04:36:32.158Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c6b6be718f96f993b3f"},{"id":"q6873cad24920079f59a5","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-07T04:40:11.094Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6873cad24920079f59a5"},{"id":"q59375facf411fa4d7e7a","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-07T04:40:46.123Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q59375facf411fa4d7e7a"},{"id":"qba911386a76f24f5cd6d","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-07T04:41:07.003Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qba911386a76f24f5cd6d"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q2e4b6d50f26f3f55c4f5","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-06T12:50:48.070Z","text":"这个说法不准确： 在托雷斯720 没收令出来后， 共有2百多人做了853n， 我看了墓碑科技的推/知道720后，也在各个群疯狂的推进这个853n，我还写了模版。为此，被踢出各个群。\n还有人威胁我，说你不是律师不能提供模版叭叭叭…阻力非常大。\n\n我写的模版， 就是non-CVRA., 无辜第三方。\n\n这俩百多人在螺丝、瑞恩行动的基础上，也促成了郭案的走向的改变。 这2百多人应该都是老椅子投资者。\n\n与himam等无关\n\n另外， 关于没收， 我猜，只有郭出来了， 投资者才会拿钱回来，如果郭不出来， 没收令下来， 真正的投资者可能能拿40% 都算多的了。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e4b6d50f26f3f55c4f5"}}