{"id":"q04eb19eb23b0e68eb2ea","batch_id":"batch-000150","seq":447,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-24T19:57:02.314Z","text":"所以第一阶段非常明确：\n\nGeyer = 帮HEX客户对政府主张第三方财产。\n\n不是“替政府收集诈骗受害人”。\n\n4. 2024年1月5日，政府自己留下了一份特别有价值的文件：ECF 223。\n\nSDNY检方当时对Geyer非常不客气，直接告诉Torres法官：\n\nGeyer并不是刑事案任何party的律师，只是声称分别代表数千名HEX客户；政府甚至说，这些人的身份他似乎都不知道，有些可能根本没交流过。\n\n最值得你引用的是政府脚注的意思：\n\n“It is not clear who is directing Mr. Geyer.”\n\n而且政府继续说，看起来Geyer正在与 Himalaya Exchange closely working。\n\n这个特别适合你说的“此地无银三百两”方向，但建议不要写成阴谋结论。\n\n可以问：\n\n既然Geyer被宣传成投资人的“独立律师”，为什么连美国政府在2024年1月都公开向法院提出：到底是谁在指挥Geyer并不清楚，而且认为他与HEX合作密切？\n\n这个问题本身已经够重了。\n\n5. 然后角色开始发生明显变化。\n\n到 2024年11月25日 ECF 478，Geyer的文件已经不再单纯是最初的“HEX customers / third-party owners / Rule 41(g)”语言。\n\n这份文件开始把相关人员称为 victims/investors，范围还扩展到了：\n\nHimalaya Exchange、G Clubs、Farm Loan Program、GTV private placement，\n\n并且开始援引 CVRA 等受害者法律框架。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q04eb19eb23b0e68eb2ea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000150/pages/3","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000150/pages/3","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q04eb19eb23b0e68eb2ea","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q04eb19eb23b0e68eb2ea/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q04eb19eb23b0e68eb2ea","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qaa2f2bda2d5870de980a","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-24T19:30:35.479Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa2f2bda2d5870de980a"},{"id":"qb9f4c70d0698eecafb0b","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-24T19:54:05.137Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9f4c70d0698eecafb0b"},{"id":"qbdfdb7f2695f96ce4d78","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-24T19:56:14.024Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbdfdb7f2695f96ce4d78"},{"id":"qed0644e143ff9221dde1","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-24T19:57:39.641Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed0644e143ff9221dde1"},{"id":"q381ada5c674007d5db42","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-24T19:58:11.172Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q381ada5c674007d5db42"},{"id":"qfeaf5fcbfed7ada2bc11","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-24T20:00:38.524Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfeaf5fcbfed7ada2bc11"}],"parent_message":null}