{"id":"q064535ac31102e450267","batch_id":"batch-000035","seq":458,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-09-10T05:44:28.587Z","text":"是的，无论从其他任何地方，集体代理都几乎无法收集到这么多投资者的登记，一是因为沟通渠道没有可能。\n二是信任问题，投资者根本除了milesguo和联盟农场（milesguo被捕后投资者发现联盟农场根本不可信），几乎不可能信任陌生第三方。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qcaa21a08cf84cf71a960","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q064535ac31102e450267","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcaa21a08cf84cf71a960","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000035","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000035","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q064535ac31102e450267","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q064535ac31102e450267/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q064535ac31102e450267","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qaeb13bd3eabcc94fd1f3","speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-09-10T05:30:59.351Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaeb13bd3eabcc94fd1f3"},{"id":"q6d84fa0c50fd9ee9406d","speaker":"reb***","date":"2025-09-10T05:31:27.840Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d84fa0c50fd9ee9406d"},{"id":"qaa52df79a1dab17ea0ce","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-10T05:33:35.710Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa52df79a1dab17ea0ce"},{"id":"q2aa4e2a1caa891ca02f3","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-10T05:50:33.855Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2aa4e2a1caa891ca02f3"},{"id":"q0ad2fb29a6be112a7f88","speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-09-10T05:50:33.994Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ad2fb29a6be112a7f88"},{"id":"q17717afa38dfcfd35d40","speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-09-10T05:52:21.486Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q17717afa38dfcfd35d40"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qcaa21a08cf84cf71a960","speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-09-10T04:43:18.385Z","text":"反对涉嫌非法的第三方\n\nGeyer,Luc,Gavenman等等，特别是涉及多人的协议性质的，代理性质的，登记性质的第三方，全部涉嫌共谋。在文件679我已经解释过，能够让这些投资者集体或者多人填表，登记，签署协议的人或者机构，只能是喜马拉雅农场联盟。检方在法庭文件里面应该已经提到过，这些投资者非常信任被告，甚至对被告很忠诚。并且这些投资者分布在全世界各地，很多人不懂英语也不懂法律，并且这些人还要面临中国共产党的威胁甚至迫害。在正常情况下，这些投资者是不可能主动去找到Geyer,LucGavenman等等签署协议的。法庭上代理这些投资者的第三方也不可能正常找到这些投资者并签署协议。对所有投资者而言，他们首先信任的是被告Miles Guo,而被告设立的喜马拉雅农场和喜马拉雅农场联盟是服务于这些投资者的机构。除了被告之外，这些投资者最相信的人，就是喜马拉雅农场联盟领导层这些人。对这些投资者而言，Miles Guo的家人，和GuoMiles Guo一起被起诉的另外两个被告，这些投资者根本就不熟悉，甚至根本就从来没有听说过。能够影响这些投资者的人，最重要的就是Miles Guo,其次就是喜马拉雅联盟农场。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcaa21a08cf84cf71a960"}}