{"id":"q0809d84ac6180bc4de72","batch_id":"batch-000147","seq":132,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-19T19:47:24.113Z","text":"［用户 roy***］  你再跟他说 托雷斯不上传tony 是tony去二巡申请强制令 南区还不上传，结果tony发了一个record preservation给二巡和托雷斯，指控其他强制令立案 南区就上传 结果tony的强制令立案 南区不上传，而record preservation在二巡docket了之后 南区才扭扭捏捏上传tony强制令原案。 整个过程持续一个月，其他强制令都是两三天南区就上传。上传后也没裁决，也没研究","text_en":null,"edited":true,"reply_to":"q2302a5d47400e02f35d7","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0809d84ac6180bc4de72","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2302a5d47400e02f35d7","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000147","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000147","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0809d84ac6180bc4de72","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0809d84ac6180bc4de72/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q0809d84ac6180bc4de72","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qe56397305c6fc4bcdac2","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-19T19:35:43.911Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe56397305c6fc4bcdac2"},{"id":"q44fab247d3ede8100872","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-19T19:39:26.677Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44fab247d3ede8100872"},{"id":"q2302a5d47400e02f35d7","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-19T19:40:53.646Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2302a5d47400e02f35d7"},{"id":"qef72b3db0c51000fc9b9","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-19T19:50:39.517Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef72b3db0c51000fc9b9"},{"id":"q7289e9cc7fa81d62f9d5","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-19T19:51:45.791Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7289e9cc7fa81d62f9d5"},{"id":"q3d3fa02cfd8ed03aed5e","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-19T19:54:33.167Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d3fa02cfd8ed03aed5e"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q2302a5d47400e02f35d7","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-19T19:40:53.646Z","text":"Tony 提出了什么 → 什么时候提出 → 文件有没有 docket → 法院有没有裁定 → sentencing 是否在未处理情况下继续。\n\n只要这条 record 能钉死，其实根本不需要证明她主观上为什么这么做。\n\n而且夜神月现在这句话：\n\n“Tony 明明是主权身份冲突，Torres 怎么搞的？不上传，那不就是拒绝 exercise 裁量权”\n\n里面最值得继续深挖的就是 “不上传”到底发生了什么。\n\n如果是 Tony 正式提交给法院/Clerk，但材料没有进入 docket，这和“文件进了 docket 但 Torres 没有讨论”是两个完全不同、而且严重程度不同的问题。\n\n所以你们下一步最好把证据整理成非常简单的时间线：\n\n提交日期 → 提交了什么 → 通过什么方式提交 → Clerk/法院收到没有 → docket有没有出现 → Torres有没有裁定 → sentencing日期。\n\n如果这条时间线最后确实显示：\n\nmaterial issue 已正式提交 → 没 docket / 没裁定 → 直接 sentencing\n\n那夜神月现在找的 failure to exercise judicial discretion + Article III + procedural error 这条线就会清楚很多。\n\n另外他最后说“这一套论证……都看不懂”，我反而建议你帮群里的人翻译成最简单一句：\n\n夜神月不是在说 Tony 的中国法一定能赢，而是在说：Tony 已经提出一个可能影响资金性质、受害人身份和没收基础的重大冲突，法院不能既不处理，也不留下正式裁判，然后直接拿未解决的前提去完成量刑。\n\n这句话基本就是整张截图的核心。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2302a5d47400e02f35d7"}}