{"id":"q0fa6868968c3b7100b5e","batch_id":"batch-000148","seq":99,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-20T05:20:26.029Z","text":"所以安小东 ［用户 him***］ 怕没收forfeiture被搅黄","text_en":null,"edited":true,"reply_to":"q437c221596b76f1663f1","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0fa6868968c3b7100b5e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q437c221596b76f1663f1","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000148","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000148","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0fa6868968c3b7100b5e","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0fa6868968c3b7100b5e/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q0fa6868968c3b7100b5e","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qb8d210cb05131a9cef2a","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T05:16:01.108Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb8d210cb05131a9cef2a"},{"id":"q9ddeb3c5889f1a2eb824","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-20T05:17:39.095Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ddeb3c5889f1a2eb824"},{"id":"q437c221596b76f1663f1","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T05:18:34.177Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q437c221596b76f1663f1"},{"id":"q7ad843cb6aa10b6cb482","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-20T05:21:05.296Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7ad843cb6aa10b6cb482"},{"id":"q0c9d07f857adddd1258b","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-20T05:22:38.108Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c9d07f857adddd1258b"},{"id":"q43c498c0ade2a31558ef","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T05:23:05.585Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43c498c0ade2a31558ef"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q437c221596b76f1663f1","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T05:18:34.177Z","text":"5739正式证明，Luc所代表的破产estate已经与美国政府的刑事forfeiture程序发生直接法律衔接，并开始通过法院批准的和解机制划分资产；但这不等同于Luc本人正式成为刑事案件23-cr-118的诉讼当事人。\n\n而且这件事真正重要的地方，甚至比“Luc有没有进入刑事案”更深：\n\n过去可以把破产案和刑事案说成两套平行程序；5739以后，至少在资产层面已经不能这么简单说了。\n\n因为现在已经出现：\n\nTrustee ↔ United States Government ↔ criminal forfeiture assets ↔ bankruptcy estate\n\n之间正式的资产分配关系。\n\n这也是为什么5754、5746这些第三方异议值得特别看——如果异议进一步主张Luc或政府没有权力通过5739处分某些第三方财产权利，那争议就会直接进入“谁拥有这些刑事没收资产、谁有权放弃或转让这些权利”的层面。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q437c221596b76f1663f1"}}