{"id":"q119d36f058416b007d1f","batch_id":"batch-000032","seq":154,"speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-09-03T18:13:47.068Z","text":"这是哪位向法院写的邮件吗？还是草稿？","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfed2fd3de25b6ffefb3f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q119d36f058416b007d1f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfed2fd3de25b6ffefb3f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000032","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000032","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q119d36f058416b007d1f","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q119d36f058416b007d1f/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q119d36f058416b007d1f","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q0c46d563b9e7972cbe5b","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-09-03T17:35:53.160Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c46d563b9e7972cbe5b"},{"id":"q55aad575056a4e4174af","speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-09-03T17:40:01.874Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55aad575056a4e4174af"},{"id":"q45afc4b38a605348432a","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-09-03T17:42:59.919Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q45afc4b38a605348432a"},{"id":"q0b60264c0948a056d95c","speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-09-03T18:15:34.472Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b60264c0948a056d95c"},{"id":"qe8b0c928b49de3bf7fdf","speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-09-03T18:19:50.209Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8b0c928b49de3bf7fdf"},{"id":"q8f36df1c333bb02727c2","speaker":"zha***","date":"2025-09-03T18:22:29.587Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f36df1c333bb02727c2"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qfed2fd3de25b6ffefb3f","speaker":"goh***","date":"2025-09-03T09:14:17.543Z","text":"这是我原本的设想，但是检方说喜联储挪用了HDO对应的美元储备，这个不知道证据在哪？\n1. 请愿人身份\n我是 Himalaya Coin（HCN）和 Himalaya Dollar（HDO）的投资人。我以善意投入资金购买了这些数字资产，并不知晓任何涉嫌违法行为。\n2. 法律权益性质\n根据 21 U.S.C. § 853(n)(6)(A) 和 (B)：\n我的权益在犯罪行为发生之前已经存在；或\n我是付出对价的善意购买人，无理由相信该财产应被没收。\n3. HDO–美元挂钩及投资人预期\n正如政府在本案文件（ECF No. 215, 2024年1月3日）中所承认的，HDO 被公开宣传为 与美元 1:1 挂钩，并且完全有相应美元储备支持。投资人被引导相信：\n每一枚 HDO 都可以兑换一美元；\n储备资金被独立保管，用于保障投资人权益。\n4. HCN/HDO 的市场逻辑\nHCN 与 HDO 在交易市场中是一对交易资产。HDO 的美元储备是 HCN 的唯一流动性基础。\n一旦美元储备被抽走，HCN/HDO 的交易对无法运行，HCN 立即失去流动性。\n因此，没收 HDO 储备并不是剥夺被告的财产，而是摧毁了投资人维持其持有资产价值的唯一机制。\n5. SafeMoon 案的说服性先例\n我理解其他地区法院的判决对本院没有约束力，但可作为说服性权威。纽约东区法院在 United States v. Braden John Karony, No. 24-cr-205 (E.D.N.Y. 2025)（SafeMoon 案）中认定：内部人员抽走流动性池资金构成欺诈，直接导致投资人受害。\n虽然该案对本院不具约束力，但它说明了一个原则：抽走流动性会摧毁代币价值并造成投资人损失。该原则与本请愿书所涉问题直接相关。\n6. 请求的救济\n我恳请法院：\n确认 HDO 对应的美元储备属于第三方投资人，包括本人；\n根据 21 U.S.C. § 853(n)，将这些储备资金排除在没收令之外；","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfed2fd3de25b6ffefb3f"}}