{"id":"q12f6bbcc048b7472d20a","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":199,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-10-30T04:24:44.325Z","text":"魏，以及其它拿了钱的，政府都可以用rico来圆。就是代持，就是enterprise 行为，就是郭的行为，第三方的证据，就把政府的这个地方堵死了，并且还能拆掉政府版本的rico叙事。它马都是独立诈骗，证据链清晰，不是政府的那种让陪审团去猜测。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q3daea01a5a7c48fb1d4a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12f6bbcc048b7472d20a","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3daea01a5a7c48fb1d4a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12f6bbcc048b7472d20a","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12f6bbcc048b7472d20a/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q12f6bbcc048b7472d20a","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qf06eeec6b45a98bdb905","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-30T04:23:02.439Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf06eeec6b45a98bdb905"},{"id":"q0adefdf280360dcba9e6","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-30T04:23:19.927Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0adefdf280360dcba9e6"},{"id":"q6c2bee997e88d771fb2d","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-30T04:23:48.576Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c2bee997e88d771fb2d"},{"id":"qa3f58deda88a76043b64","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-30T04:25:40.821Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa3f58deda88a76043b64"},{"id":"q54750fdce1029180dabc","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-30T04:25:56.228Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54750fdce1029180dabc"},{"id":"q4c6a37fb249e4a79afe6","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-30T04:27:20.987Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c6a37fb249e4a79afe6"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q3daea01a5a7c48fb1d4a","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-10-30T04:15:21.012Z","text":"张的行为，可以被解释成rico下的二次诈骗，就是第一次诈骗，没成，退款了，张再去拦截退款，在rico下，可以被解释成enterprise 的行为，郭在gtv无罪后，这迟迟退不到款，可能就成了张的独立责任了，或者是另一个版本的enterprise 实施的诈骗。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3daea01a5a7c48fb1d4a"}}