{"id":"q16e01e9a62f6138d53b9","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":801,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T19:39:13.468Z","text":"你这个3 完全就是瞎扯 你好像根本没理解我们要干嘛","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9e3607e2c6fcd29a580c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16e01e9a62f6138d53b9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e3607e2c6fcd29a580c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018","notice":"清洗后的社区讨论原话，按时间分批归档，固定首次采集版本，不随原作者后续编辑或删除更新，不含附件内容。含不同观点、推测与未经核实的主张，不代表本站结论或法院认定。导读仅供定位，请阅读完整发言及回复上下文，并结合一手文书核验。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16e01e9a62f6138d53b9","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16e01e9a62f6138d53b9/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q16e01e9a62f6138d53b9","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q380de56205349560c132","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T19:19:35.504Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q380de56205349560c132"},{"id":"qefc378e1662f6cb6d87b","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T19:19:45.251Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qefc378e1662f6cb6d87b"},{"id":"qa7bdb1fbb99c196590f9","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T19:21:07.142Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7bdb1fbb99c196590f9"},{"id":"qe578f235a193d328530b","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T19:47:47.568Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe578f235a193d328530b"},{"id":"qc4972fa0c0088a787f91","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T19:49:28.736Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4972fa0c0088a787f91"},{"id":"q3d4901635ca8795d1062","speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-24T19:52:14.376Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d4901635ca8795d1062"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q9e3607e2c6fcd29a580c","speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-07-24T19:00:15.216Z","text":"有网络有电脑就能发动议，没人阻挡得了你。我只是提醒一下可能出现的几种情况，你要做好应对预案：\n\n1. Torres会先判老郭的刑，判刑当天出初步没收令，开启30天动议提交期，然后处理第三方动议。\n\n2. 老郭被判刑以后肯定要上诉，上诉期间，Torres处理你们第三方动议还可能暂停，所以其实等到处理你们动议的时候老郭要么：\n\n2.1 老郭刑事案翻案：如果是这种情况，那么政府扣押资产都会还给老郭；\n\n2.2 老郭刑事案上诉失败：那你们打第三方动议给老郭翻案也没有用，你说了上诉不审核新证据，只看现有证据\n\n3. 你想通过打第三方动议给老郭翻案，理由是通过第三方动议可以逼Luc交出他登记了哪些老郭的债权人，然后想办法证明这些债权人中有的人申报虚假债权，然后被检方拿来作为老郭搞诈骗的受害人立了一个刑事案，是这个思路吧。如果Luc老奸巨猾，从刑事案第三方程序里退出了，他说政府扣押的资产Luc我不要了，那你怎么通过刑事庭动议继续逼Luc拿出债权人名单？你要想一个备用方案，比如（我随便举例）去破产庭打Luc？\n\n4. 当然，你想提第三方动议尽管去提，谁也阻止不了。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e3607e2c6fcd29a580c"}}