{"id":"q18bb9b944732ff826adc","batch_id":"batch-000159","seq":717,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-09-21T23:31:16.095Z","text":"OS International 注册在BVI，那么，这436股股份上任何处分的实质有效性，包括以信托方式设立受益权益，都适用BVI法律。而且防火墙条款（第83A条第(12)款）明确规定，信托的有效性问题由准据法决定，而准据法要按第80条来找。这说明：按资产类别（即公司股份）定法律的规则在前，按准据法定规则在后。\nC最后，外国不承认信托，与BVI无关。第83A条第(13)款(a)项 除信托或处分另有明文规定外，不得仅因外国法域禁止或不承认信托概念，即认定BVI信托或向其作出的财产处分无效、可撤销、可被撤销或存在任何瑕疵。至于第二被告倚重的\"火箭与发射架\"，法官认为，这个比喻反映的是《海牙信托公约》下的传统区分，而第83A条是本地立法对普通法分析的有意改写。法院要回答的不是\"没有成文法时该怎么定性\"，而是\"成文法要求法院怎么做\"。\n最后，今年3月BVI法院落槌（案号：BVIHC (COM) 2023/0064），BVI火箭也管得着，发射架也管得着。\n落槌之后，第二被告的代理律师反讽：照法官这套逻辑的话，全世界任何一个信托，只要资产里碰巧有一点BVI公司股份，哪怕微不足道，是不是都要被BVI防火墙罩住？法官承认被问到了，只回复他，本案被主张的信托财产只有这436股，没有别的，所以不必回答。这道题，留给将来吧。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18bb9b944732ff826adc","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000159/pages/4","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000159/pages/4","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18bb9b944732ff826adc","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q18bb9b944732ff826adc/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q18bb9b944732ff826adc","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q7d028e275d17e0b8fa31","speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-21T16:12:00.532Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d028e275d17e0b8fa31"},{"id":"q151c6a7daf94063cd48e","speaker":"may***","date":"2026-09-21T16:37:30.864Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q151c6a7daf94063cd48e"},{"id":"q3aadde36c41c338a1470","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-09-21T23:30:53.439Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3aadde36c41c338a1470"},{"id":"qa9afc00daf52cc61871a","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-09-21T23:31:51.093Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa9afc00daf52cc61871a"},{"id":"qfb62ed9c26936adc16c9","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-09-21T23:32:12.855Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb62ed9c26936adc16c9"},{"id":"q8534d651ff6ff446f4c6","speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-09-21T23:34:54.370Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8534d651ff6ff446f4c6"}],"parent_message":null}