{"id":"q1a9965f892a2ebce69f2","batch_id":"batch-000066","seq":725,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-02T03:43:10.289Z","text":"2️⃣ 但存在一个非常重要的例外（你现在正踩在上面）\n当 Preliminary Order of Forfeiture：\n已经实质性剥夺第三方对特定财产的控制；\n并且 §853(n) hearing 被无限期拖延或事实上拒绝；\n同时资产正在 不可逆地流失（dissipation）；\n👉 二巡和其他巡回法院承认： 这是一个 effectively final order，\n可以被第三方立即上诉。\n这是基于 Cohen collateral order doctrine + due process。","edited":false,"reply_to":"qe9d2c3560f0f9deb7bfa","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a9965f892a2ebce69f2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9d2c3560f0f9deb7bfa","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000066","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a9965f892a2ebce69f2","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a9965f892a2ebce69f2/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q1a9965f892a2ebce69f2","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qa2ec353e4f9b7e3d63d6","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-02T03:42:01.375Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa2ec353e4f9b7e3d63d6"},{"id":"q32e6d1c8722be21196b2","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-02T03:42:30.473Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q32e6d1c8722be21196b2"},{"id":"qe9d2c3560f0f9deb7bfa","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-02T03:42:55.760Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9d2c3560f0f9deb7bfa"},{"id":"qbd7cad3e9ebc6a530425","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-02T03:43:20.018Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd7cad3e9ebc6a530425"},{"id":"qfda2b1e439e3cb53757c","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-02T03:43:45.340Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfda2b1e439e3cb53757c"},{"id":"qc0386d7ce90e35d8b776","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-02T03:45:22.602Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0386d7ce90e35d8b776"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qe9d2c3560f0f9deb7bfa","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-02T03:42:55.760Z","text":"针对初步没收令，只有被告可以上诉吧","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9d2c3560f0f9deb7bfa"}}