{"id":"q1b93e8ba4075a837aa46","batch_id":"batch-000166","seq":625,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-31T20:59:58.779Z","text":"这里尤其要注意：法院在Dkt. 388中已经接受了检方的共谋者陈述准入申请。若辩方的遗漏使法院没有充分考虑某些重要的反向证据，那么就可能形成一个具体的Strickland争点。\n\n但要证明律师失职，还需要看：\n\n* 律师是否实际注意到这些证词；\n* 为什么没有使用；\n* 这些证词究竟能否反驳具体的共谋成员身份或具体陈述的目的；\n* 如果提出，是否存在合理可能改变法院裁定或后续审判结果。\n\n五、我认为你应该抓住的核心论点\n\n不是说检方证人替郭文贵证明了无罪。\n\n而是：\n\n检方为了证明犯罪共谋，选择性地使用自己证人的证词；同一证人的其他证词却揭示了独立的退款活动、民事资金追偿关系和不同主体之间的实际资金关系。辩护律师没有利用这些已经进入庭审记录的事实，对检方提出的共谋成员身份和陈述归属进行充分对抗。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q0defb97d599910c8f65d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b93e8ba4075a837aa46","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0defb97d599910c8f65d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166/pages/4","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000166/pages/4","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b93e8ba4075a837aa46","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b93e8ba4075a837aa46/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q1b93e8ba4075a837aa46","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qd9eda01b89c882c4a553","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-31T20:58:24.624Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd9eda01b89c882c4a553"},{"id":"qe9f42384f27f62849dc1","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-31T20:59:29.445Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9f42384f27f62849dc1"},{"id":"q0defb97d599910c8f65d","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-31T20:59:43.071Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0defb97d599910c8f65d"},{"id":"q579abff6f85008f6e8f9","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-31T21:00:49.015Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q579abff6f85008f6e8f9"},{"id":"q479104943dd7d8a40c07","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-31T21:02:12.317Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q479104943dd7d8a40c07"},{"id":"q51d5394d86f326dee377","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-31T21:28:06.152Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q51d5394d86f326dee377"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q0defb97d599910c8f65d","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-31T20:59:43.071Z","text":"问题\n\n我的判断\n\n检方证人已经提供潜在有利证词\n\n重要\n\n律师没有将这些证词用于Dkt. 383\n\n值得重点审查\n\n这些证词涉及Dkt. 382申请认定的具体共谋者\n\n非常重要\n\n这些证词可能改变对具体人员角色和陈述目的的判断\n\n具有实质性潜力\n\n单凭这一点就构成Cronic\n\n尚不能确定","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0defb97d599910c8f65d"}}