{"id":"q1cdee11a6a8f808440b7","batch_id":"batch-000149","seq":63,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-20T15:15:47.011Z","text":"政府和受托人有什么权力处置未被明确归属的资产？根据是什么？如果没有根据这不就是程序违规吗？","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q8ab078df9aa44c7278f9","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1cdee11a6a8f808440b7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ab078df9aa44c7278f9","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000149","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000149","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1cdee11a6a8f808440b7","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1cdee11a6a8f808440b7/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q1cdee11a6a8f808440b7","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q57952647103252f3550a","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-20T15:00:56.253Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57952647103252f3550a"},{"id":"q60ab1df2583ff31fc977","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-20T15:02:19.360Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q60ab1df2583ff31fc977"},{"id":"qebb00e099459577fe9fd","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-08-20T15:04:07.481Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qebb00e099459577fe9fd"},{"id":"q71d877c2c25eb8c0e437","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-20T15:16:48.861Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71d877c2c25eb8c0e437"},{"id":"qedc7fc065c68abdd7e6b","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-20T15:17:21.815Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qedc7fc065c68abdd7e6b"},{"id":"q5926807c861e472aa5d3","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-20T15:17:59.874Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5926807c861e472aa5d3"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q8ab078df9aa44c7278f9","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-20T05:31:31.544Z","text":"有可能形成“fraud on the court（司法欺诈）”的调查方向，但仅凭“产权未明确 + 检方和Luc提前和解”这两个事实，还不能直接下结论说已经构成司法欺诈。 二巡对这个概念的门槛非常高：不是普通程序错误、证据争议甚至一般的不披露就够了，而通常要证明法院工作人员/律师实施了足以严重破坏法院正常、中立裁判机制的欺骗行为。\n\n不过，Mahwah这条线确实有几个异常点值得连起来查。\n\n第一，Mahwah在刑事案一开始就不是普通资产。2023年的刑事记录显示，郭一方明确主张Mahwah及其内部物品是刑事案件中的重要证据；与此同时，政府与Trustee签署Mahwah Settlement，允许Trustee在刑事案件仍然pending期间取得控制和/或出售Mahwah，政府承诺不反对。政府还把FBI搜索Mahwah时拍摄的照片提供给了Trustee。\n\n第二，当时产权并没有最终裁定。Luc在2023年7月才启动adversary proceeding，请求法院判定郭是Mahwah及Taurus Fund的beneficial/equitable owner，并认定Taurus是郭的alter ego。直到2025年7月7日，破产法院才在summary judgment阶段正式支持Trustee的这些产权主张。也就是说，2023年政府与Luc达成安排时，“Mahwah属于郭/estate”仍然属于正在诉讼中的命题，而不是已经司法确定的事实。\n\n第三，这一点尤其值得注意：Mahwah Settlement本身似乎发生在“产权最终裁判”和“最终刑事forfeiture裁判”两者之前。最终刑事forfeiture决定直到2026年6月29日才作出，而法院那时才正式认定Listed Property符合没收条件并确定$889 million money judgment。\n\n所以时间线实际上是：","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ab078df9aa44c7278f9"}}