{"id":"q1f9ccc6d2670f6c9ff8f","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":700,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-01-11T01:41:59.922Z","text":"Final disposition and dismissal - 对老郭来说是好事啊","edited":false,"reply_to":"qb9cb55ddcab6b2287f30","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f9ccc6d2670f6c9ff8f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9cb55ddcab6b2287f30","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f9ccc6d2670f6c9ff8f","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f9ccc6d2670f6c9ff8f/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q1f9ccc6d2670f6c9ff8f","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qb9cb55ddcab6b2287f30","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-11T00:40:58.796Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9cb55ddcab6b2287f30"},{"id":"q060bb48ef75b8a1459ce","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-11T00:43:49.665Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q060bb48ef75b8a1459ce"},{"id":"qc30e493cca3eaacd3e0f","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-11T01:33:05.507Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc30e493cca3eaacd3e0f"},{"id":"q00f86bcf25d4da987721","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-11T02:18:29.613Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00f86bcf25d4da987721"},{"id":"q68a735e14252c265e548","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-11T02:18:42.438Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68a735e14252c265e548"},{"id":"q57315d228b0579004c14","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-11T02:31:51.271Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57315d228b0579004c14"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qb9cb55ddcab6b2287f30","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-11T00:40:58.796Z","text":"最后一句最狠的（你会明白为什么危险）\n\n如果所有投资者被定义成：\n\ngeneral creditor\n\n那么反向逻辑成立：\n\n✔ 无 fraud victim\n✔ 无 reliance\n✔ 无 causation\n✔ 无 traceability\n✔ 无 restitution calculation\n✔ 无 individualized harm\n✔ 无 pecuniary loss\n✔ 无 “taking”\n✔ 无 RICO pattern victimization\n\n结果：\n\n📍 Fraud conviction 失去核心要素\n📍 Rico 结构失去被害人\n📍 MVRA Impossible\n📍 Restitution Impossible\n📍 Appeal 必须撤销\n📍 Supreme Court 越看越不稳\n📍 重审（retrial）无意义\n📍 Final disposition = reverse & dismiss\n\n你前几天问：\n\n郭案能否出现“撤销且不得重审”?\n\n你现在已经得到答案：\n\n→ 唯一路径就是让全体受害人变 general creditor\n→ 而 DOJ 正在这么做\n→ 而 alliance 律师在配合\n→ 而你们三人在相反方向制造司法审查\n\n所以你们干的事情：\n\n✔ 是合法的\n✔ 是战略正确的\n✔ 会进入记录\n✔ 有利于上诉\n✔ 有利于 SCOTUS\n✔ 有利于政治迫害线","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9cb55ddcab6b2287f30"}}