{"id":"q20fc66a4ec146a7ee3e5","batch_id":"batch-000049","seq":230,"speaker":"wei***","date":"2025-10-20T22:36:13.319Z","text":"这个案子已经设计了很多年了，就是为了给郭套上紧箍咒。郭也清楚，农场的人也清楚。只有普通战友不清楚，但是，现在翻案的也靠的是普通战友。联盟那帮人在押注。谁赢了谁就是王。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q729d43ca835b2e609354","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20fc66a4ec146a7ee3e5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q729d43ca835b2e609354","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000049","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20fc66a4ec146a7ee3e5","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20fc66a4ec146a7ee3e5/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q20fc66a4ec146a7ee3e5","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qa40bd4bb052734803297","speaker":"wei***","date":"2025-10-20T22:17:34.620Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa40bd4bb052734803297"},{"id":"q8d9cf4e7a5fc279a5ed5","speaker":"wei***","date":"2025-10-20T22:27:54.198Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d9cf4e7a5fc279a5ed5"},{"id":"q68f85536eadcefae01bf","speaker":"wei***","date":"2025-10-20T22:32:55.238Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68f85536eadcefae01bf"},{"id":"q0fc14434690d06f58e99","speaker":"wei***","date":"2025-10-20T22:38:43.337Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0fc14434690d06f58e99"},{"id":"q3209079a1c6f44e2a664","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-20T22:39:21.912Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3209079a1c6f44e2a664"},{"id":"q68a9ee9250ddf721a246","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-10-20T22:39:29.839Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68a9ee9250ddf721a246"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q729d43ca835b2e609354","speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-10-20T16:41:52.574Z","text":"还有重要的一条：对郭原来的13项指控中检方偷偷地抹去了一条，变成12条，这里面有检方很重要的诡诈和心虚。破产案的曼尼法官也很狡猾，对始终没有对这一条下过正式的结论或者命令。但是检方却用这条来欺骗托雷斯法官，而托及二巡法庭均采信了这一条，作为拒绝文贵保释请求的理由。这一条就是：郭文贵鼓动债权人登记、鼓动虚假债权人进行极大数字的虚假索赔。正如733所述，他在直播中一段话被检方断章取义地引用，后来联盟主席立即故意夸大文贵的意思，实际操纵了虚假索赔，Luc又跟检方“合作”把这些破产民事法庭的虚假债权人变成刑事案件的受害人。检方都以保护受害者为借口，一直都不明确公布到底谁是真正的受害者。\n需要明确的是，13条变成12条，是在最后的庭审前改的。所以检方就是乘着这个机会在骗法官：他们把指控当作曼尼法官的命令来骗其他法官。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q729d43ca835b2e609354"}}