{"id":"q2279a181ae83d6511c9e","batch_id":"batch-000162","seq":886,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T03:48:59.313Z","text":"对的，就是归责的问题\nMOS收到farm loan的退款813w，可是夏却发推说，资金仍然被冻结\n这个独立责任，是刑事责任，因为farm loan已经被定罪量刑，不是简单的民事\n那么长岛，当然要被拉回这个刑事案，成为独立被告","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q7f2ca13018c9f2344ef5","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2279a181ae83d6511c9e","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f2ca13018c9f2344ef5","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162/pages/5","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000162/pages/5","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2279a181ae83d6511c9e","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2279a181ae83d6511c9e/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q2279a181ae83d6511c9e","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q44f6a543ed00f1c2abd8","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-10-09T03:41:25.033Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44f6a543ed00f1c2abd8"},{"id":"qc14129b3d2994cbf201d","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T03:45:52.630Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc14129b3d2994cbf201d"},{"id":"q7f2ca13018c9f2344ef5","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-10-09T03:47:16.299Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f2ca13018c9f2344ef5"},{"id":"qbf2685f2bad78db82b35","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-10-09T03:54:48.605Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf2685f2bad78db82b35"},{"id":"qb177be42da94a551517c","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-10-09T03:55:35.005Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb177be42da94a551517c"},{"id":"qd4e1d84f8ca1101c8ba9","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-09T03:57:33.669Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4e1d84f8ca1101c8ba9"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q7f2ca13018c9f2344ef5","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-10-09T03:47:16.299Z","text":"这张截图补充了关键意思：**你关注的是资金最后到了夏其东控制的MOS，而不是仅仅比较数字。**\n\n按截图提出的说法，两组钱是：\n\n**MOS自身借款455万美元＋其他人授权MOS追讨的约400万美元 → 回收款进入MOS → 是否向对应投资人分配？**\n\n目前法院记录确认MOS收到813.63万美元；**“全部由夏个人取得”“其他投资人没有收到分配”仍需银行及分配账目证明**。公司收款与个人占有要区分。\n\n这条线真正要追的是：**MOS以什么资格收取每部分款项、夏有何处分权限，以及款项后来去了哪里。** 如果MOS受托收款却未按约分配，可能形成独立的责任问题；若这些同笔资金又被归入郭取得或控制的金额，就需要对照检方证据，检验归责是否一致。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f2ca13018c9f2344ef5"}}