{"id":"q247a7ba7cee3334d8db8","batch_id":"batch-000151","seq":200,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:16:46.023Z","text":"859新增的具体财产只有5组\n\n我逐项核了原件：\n\n1. G Club Operations LLC — Banco Popular\n    * 约 $2,112,510.70\n    * 2023年10月16日由Banco Popular开出official check\n    * 现在由政府持有。\n2. Kin Ming Je — Barclays Isle of Man\n    * 2024年10月29日FBI依据seizure warrant扣押。\n3. Sin Ting Rong — Barclays Isle of Man\n    * 同样2024年10月29日扣押。\n4. Kin Ming Je — Barclays Jersey portfolio\n    * 2025年4月17日FBI扣押。\n5. Sin Ting Rong — Barclays Jersey portfolio\n    * 2025年4月17日政府扣押。\n\n859没有在正文里写后面4个账户的金额，所以单凭859这6页不能计算“新增财产总额是多少”。\n\n这点要特别注意。\n\n⸻\n\n更重要：859完全没有GTV Counts 5/6\n\n这才是我们刚才争论里最关键的确认。\n\n859明确说，这5组Additional Specific Property被没收的法律基础是：\n\nCounts 1、2、4、7–11的proceeds\n\n和/或\n\nCount 3 money laundering涉及的property。\n\n注意：\n\n没有Count 5。\n\n没有Count 6。\n\n因为郭在GTV的Counts 5、6被判无罪。\n\n所以你刚才说：\n\n“没收清单里完全没有GTV相关资产。”\n\n至少就859新增财产的法定定罪基础而言，原件确实非常支持你的判断：政府没有在859里把新增财产作为郭Count 5/6 GTV实体罪所得来没收。\n\n这也进一步削弱了前面那种：\n\n“政府需要找于建民或者另一个人来背GTV，否则859里的GTV资产就得删掉。”\n\n这种说法。\n\n859本身就没有靠郭的GTV Counts 5/6。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q247a7ba7cee3334d8db8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q247a7ba7cee3334d8db8","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q247a7ba7cee3334d8db8/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q247a7ba7cee3334d8db8","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qc61288edfa3a3b25d949","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:11:47.643Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc61288edfa3a3b25d949"},{"id":"qb5ecac4e5a5df53cabe5","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:16:07.299Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb5ecac4e5a5df53cabe5"},{"id":"q681458b3479ca061c6ea","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-25T09:16:37.293Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q681458b3479ca061c6ea"},{"id":"q4742576abb72517d4859","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:17:22.190Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4742576abb72517d4859"},{"id":"q6bbed20cefd2cc5310b9","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:17:59.646Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6bbed20cefd2cc5310b9"},{"id":"q4a64cb2ed73860b096e7","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-25T09:22:41.968Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a64cb2ed73860b096e7"}],"parent_message":null}