{"id":"q27cdde9a3181ffb1ddbe","batch_id":"batch-000028","seq":877,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-23T13:35:18.695Z","text":"我后来研究过 初始受害人可能不仅包含债权人 还有gtv 就算gtv民事案已经和解 但检方作为抓捕依据 继续指控gtv 似乎是合法的","edited":false,"reply_to":"q2fee53aae50e5b62764f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27cdde9a3181ffb1ddbe","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2fee53aae50e5b62764f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000028","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000028","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27cdde9a3181ffb1ddbe","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27cdde9a3181ffb1ddbe/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q27cdde9a3181ffb1ddbe","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q7de0e534bfef92f13e31","speaker":"wen***","date":"2025-08-23T12:06:00.576Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7de0e534bfef92f13e31"},{"id":"q882577a46a4d06d1ec80","speaker":"wen***","date":"2025-08-23T12:07:16.320Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q882577a46a4d06d1ec80"},{"id":"qb46217ab1220bf4d559c","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-23T13:33:57.476Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb46217ab1220bf4d559c"},{"id":"q5c2bc0ca889fc4a0a618","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-08-23T13:36:25.302Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c2bc0ca889fc4a0a618"},{"id":"q9f7d4a467b699af6b039","speaker":"wen***","date":"2025-08-23T13:46:40.870Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f7d4a467b699af6b039"},{"id":"q8daa6ffdd4321e2c73a4","speaker":"wen***","date":"2025-08-23T13:51:03.915Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8daa6ffdd4321e2c73a4"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q2fee53aae50e5b62764f","speaker":"wen***","date":"2025-08-23T10:30:12.554Z","text":"从这个角度出发，就不用向检方质询这上千受害者是不是来自于Luc登记的那些G系列投资人的债权人，或者要求检方披露。\n\n1. 只要把老B长、农场组织战友申请债权人的录音、文字证据放上去，就可以证明是联盟组织的债权人登记。\n\n2. 这些登记为债权人的G系列（应该以GTV为主）投资者，已经默认了：他们认为投资失败或者未达预期，并认为这应该是郭先生的责任，因此他们去郭先生破产案登记为债权人。也就是说这些G系列投资人一旦填了债权人登记，就必然是潜在的G系列涉嫌欺诈案的受害者。检方把这些人与拱卒、无毛的豆豆视为同样的受害人，符合检方逻辑。\n\n3. 老B长等人以联盟作为平台，作为共谋人“自导自演”组织了受害者，涉嫌欺诈检方、报假案。而检方涉嫌核查失职。\n\n4. 一旦老B长等人以联盟作为平台，作为共谋人“自导自演”的证据确凿，这个立案基础上千受害人的”事实”就坍塌了。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2fee53aae50e5b62764f"}}