{"id":"q2c85e58b67d607c337ea","batch_id":"batch-000064","seq":279,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-17T16:35:35.308Z","text":"12/16 这份 Order 完全不支持“偏见”叙事\n\n恰恰相反，这份 Order 的特征是：\n    •    ✔ 极短\n    •    ✔ 不评论实体\n    •    ✔ 不点名任何争议\n    •    ✔ 只处理书记官行政事项\n\n这是最“去立场化”的那种命令。\n\n👉 二巡法官看到有人把这种 order 当作“偏见证据”，\n第一反应不是同情，而是警惕申请人的判断力。\n\n⸻\n\n三、截图里最危险的一句话是哪一句？我直接点名\n\n“您现在必须让二巡下令”\n“这是最强有力证据”\n“Torres 法官正在顽抗到底”\n\n这些话在法律上意味着什么？\n\n👉 你在试图“逼迫上级法院训斥下级法官”。\n\n而 mandamus 最忌讳的就是这种姿态。\n\n⸻\n\n四、Mandamus 的真正逻辑，被这张图完全搞反了\n\n截图里说：\n\n“目标不是让她纠正，而是证明她不会纠正，从而满足 no other adequate remedy”\n\n这是对 mandamus 的重大误解。\n\n正确逻辑是：\n\n因为没有其他救济，\n所以你请求二巡介入程序性最低限度的行动。\n\n而不是：\n\n“我现在要证明地方法官顽固、偏见、不纠正”\n\n二巡极度反感后者。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c85e58b67d607c337ea","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000064","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c85e58b67d607c337ea","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c85e58b67d607c337ea/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q2c85e58b67d607c337ea","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q5925e78134029c391ba8","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-12-17T16:34:47.445Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5925e78134029c391ba8"},{"id":"q079c35f333cff3986405","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-12-17T16:34:50.002Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q079c35f333cff3986405"},{"id":"q2fc73660464db9a2f6c5","speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-17T16:35:20.457Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2fc73660464db9a2f6c5"},{"id":"q0803f95cd564c74b0a50","speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-17T16:35:56.901Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0803f95cd564c74b0a50"},{"id":"qf7001b50d7a516242dea","speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-17T16:36:12.254Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7001b50d7a516242dea"},{"id":"q5387e80e4347af8dc50a","speaker":"roy***","date":"2025-12-17T16:36:50.816Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5387e80e4347af8dc50a"}],"parent_message":null}