{"id":"q2cbc7e516c86406c0503","batch_id":"batch-000152","seq":31,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-25T13:53:56.188Z","text":"［用户 reb***］ 你还在用正常逻辑跟他辩论 😆","text_en":null,"edited":true,"reply_to":"q53c842b8c8ea61241927","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2cbc7e516c86406c0503","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53c842b8c8ea61241927","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000152","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000152","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2cbc7e516c86406c0503","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2cbc7e516c86406c0503/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q2cbc7e516c86406c0503","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q555334812dcad76bfc24","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-25T13:04:21.424Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q555334812dcad76bfc24"},{"id":"q9957914d77d2f0b64dd4","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-25T13:05:31.095Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9957914d77d2f0b64dd4"},{"id":"q945a27fee5fc32605e35","speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-25T13:35:46.959Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q945a27fee5fc32605e35"},{"id":"q0802b1ce97a8240dd73b","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-25T13:58:02.430Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0802b1ce97a8240dd73b"},{"id":"q07b40cfd0de76c285b4b","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-25T13:59:56.809Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07b40cfd0de76c285b4b"},{"id":"qb9053c19cb902801c3ac","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-25T14:00:28.081Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9053c19cb902801c3ac"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q53c842b8c8ea61241927","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-25T13:02:10.588Z","text":"错，本案就是这么奇葩，你还在用正常逻辑去解读。它们程序上能做到什么，它们就会这么做。你用ai来帮你说，我直接打字跟你说，托雷斯就是引用了王的认罪和指任，你估计没有自己去看全部原文。托雷斯确实说了政府以优势证据来证明，但优势证据是哪些，托雷斯引用的那些证人证词，和一个认罪的第一副手说郭是boss，谁更有分量。王能证明的是控制了g系列是用来干坏事，托雷斯引用的其它证人证词，更多的只是证明控制，控制了也可以是干好事。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53c842b8c8ea61241927"}}