{"id":"q2e4b6d50f26f3f55c4f5","batch_id":"batch-000142","seq":967,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-06T12:50:48.070Z","text":"这个说法不准确： 在托雷斯720 没收令出来后， 共有2百多人做了853n， 我看了墓碑科技的推/知道720后，也在各个群疯狂的推进这个853n，我还写了模版。为此，被踢出各个群。\n还有人威胁我，说你不是律师不能提供模版叭叭叭…阻力非常大。\n\n我写的模版， 就是non-CVRA., 无辜第三方。\n\n这俩百多人在螺丝、瑞恩行动的基础上，也促成了郭案的走向的改变。 这2百多人应该都是老椅子投资者。\n\n与himam等无关\n\n另外， 关于没收， 我猜，只有郭出来了， 投资者才会拿钱回来，如果郭不出来， 没收令下来， 真正的投资者可能能拿40% 都算多的了。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q8798d07528e6cab4408c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e4b6d50f26f3f55c4f5","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8798d07528e6cab4408c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000142/pages/5","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000142/pages/5","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e4b6d50f26f3f55c4f5","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e4b6d50f26f3f55c4f5/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q2e4b6d50f26f3f55c4f5","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q4b67390b54a23ec68457","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-06T11:28:25.861Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b67390b54a23ec68457"},{"id":"q301ce5cc9bd38736e5e1","speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-06T12:24:21.031Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q301ce5cc9bd38736e5e1"},{"id":"q3d95b51e1ff71dc93255","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-06T12:36:28.661Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d95b51e1ff71dc93255"},{"id":"q935e093893272c201d87","speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-06T12:51:16.549Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q935e093893272c201d87"},{"id":"qc48bc841900446efa13f","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-06T12:54:40.734Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc48bc841900446efa13f"},{"id":"q4929de8a9fc5b6bdd4f3","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-06T12:55:27.430Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4929de8a9fc5b6bdd4f3"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q8798d07528e6cab4408c","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-06T07:07:32.367Z","text":"863就是 [删节：隐私信息]Anthon团队的目的，让申请人都去写853n，千万不要提CVRA\n最后853n被打成853i，不影响刑事案没收，破产案优先分钱，投资者最后毛都没有","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8798d07528e6cab4408c"}}