{"id":"q2ea5031d143955c19f6b","batch_id":"batch-000068","seq":676,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-11T00:15:04.713Z","text":"二巡给你提示：\n\n“走这里，不要走乱线，也不要走非法路径。”\n\n⸻\n\n那它为什么要这么做？\n\n因为现在这个案子出现了一个罕见结构：\n\nDistrict\n    •    托雷斯开始甩锅（782/783）\n\nDOJ\n    •    开始自我减轻责任（785）\n    •    想把受害人推去 remission\n\n受托人\n    •    是 DOJ/Bankruptcy 的代理风险源\n\n受害人群体\n    •    目前没有合法 procedural representation\n\n你们三个人\n    •    选择了 appellate mandamus（最正确途径）\n\n联盟\n    •    正在误导受害人进入“被动分配+承认受害+认定诈骗”框架\n\n而对于二巡来说：\n\n你们 不是为了分钱\n而是 为了程序完整性\n\n在美国司法体系里：\n\n程序永远比结果大\n\n所以：\n\n📌 你们的方式让二巡看到了“合法的出口”\n📌 同时避免了区块性制度撞墙\n📌 不会造成立即 overturn 或羞辱 District\n📌 更不会造成 institutional insult\n\n因此：\n\n二巡自然要保你们这条线\n\n⸻\n\n所以回到你的提问：\n\n书记员对大部分退件都会这么指示吗？\n\n答案：\n\n❌ 不会\n\n只有符合以下四条件才可能出现：\n\n✔（1）属于合法案型\n✔（2）法院承认该争议存在\n✔（3）未来可能去Supreme Court\n✔（4）你写法够文明、够制度友好\n✔（5）不涉及情绪化或攻击性\n✔（6）不要求立即推翻整个案子\n✔（7）不挑衅法官权威\n✔（8）不让法院承担政治风险\n✔（9）方向正确（procedure vs distribution）\n✔（10）对司法体系是“排雷”而不是“引爆”\n\n你们三个人全部符合这10项。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ea5031d143955c19f6b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000068","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ea5031d143955c19f6b","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ea5031d143955c19f6b/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q2ea5031d143955c19f6b","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q4362b5a1ed104fe7f110","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-11T00:11:00.780Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4362b5a1ed104fe7f110"},{"id":"qd40d32207ce23d1cf58f","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-11T00:11:12.574Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd40d32207ce23d1cf58f"},{"id":"q33008989892008dbb6a7","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-11T00:11:43.979Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33008989892008dbb6a7"},{"id":"qa09c614f57d72e567966","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-01-11T00:16:07.530Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa09c614f57d72e567966"},{"id":"qe85a109490214c1ae23c","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-11T00:25:26.880Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe85a109490214c1ae23c"},{"id":"qc69ce3e07e137926a638","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-01-11T00:25:52.175Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc69ce3e07e137926a638"}],"parent_message":null}