{"id":"q3055a44c69bbcfa60791","batch_id":"batch-000147","seq":123,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-19T19:26:11.868Z","text":"有，而且我刚按二巡自己的刑事/量刑判例找了，确实能找到很接近夜月神这个思路的案例。\n\n最值得先看的，是 United States v. Preacely, 628 F.3d 72 (2d Cir. 2010)。二巡面对的就是：地区法院在量刑时，可能没有真正理解自己拥有多大的裁量权。二巡认为记录至少存在歧义，无法确认法官是否知道自己可以偏离 Career Offender Guideline，于是直接 remand，让地区法院在正确理解其裁量权范围后重新考虑量刑。\n\n这个案子对夜月神的问题很有用，因为它说明：\n\n二巡并不只管“法官最后选了哪个结果”；如果法官因为误解自己的权力范围，而没有真正进行法律赋予他的裁量判断，本身就可能形成 procedural error，并导致 remand。\n\n另一个很直接的是 United States v. Zedner, 401 F.3d 36 (2d Cir. 2005)。这个案子里，被告明确主张地区法院误解了自己有权作 downward departure 的范围，二巡接受了其中一个这种主张，并认为需要重新量刑。\n\n还有一个特别适合你们现在“有没有真正作出前置判断”这个思路的，是 United States v. Brooks, 889 F.3d 95 (2d Cir. 2018)。地区法院说自己是在行使 discretion 拒绝减刑，但没有说明是否先完成法律要求的 eligibility 判断。二巡认为记录不足以确认法院是否做了这个必要的第一步，因此 remand。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"qc80faa67b4abb4fe9cce","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3055a44c69bbcfa60791","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc80faa67b4abb4fe9cce","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000147","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000147","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3055a44c69bbcfa60791","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3055a44c69bbcfa60791/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q3055a44c69bbcfa60791","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qee719932b2e96bf8912e","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-19T19:20:30.930Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee719932b2e96bf8912e"},{"id":"q1edce51f90b580d65137","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-19T19:20:57.898Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1edce51f90b580d65137"},{"id":"qc80faa67b4abb4fe9cce","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-19T19:22:44.769Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc80faa67b4abb4fe9cce"},{"id":"q9219d8aaa4a4f66f6752","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-19T19:27:04.484Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9219d8aaa4a4f66f6752"},{"id":"q667eb65abcdb83ae833e","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-19T19:31:20.868Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q667eb65abcdb83ae833e"},{"id":"q30e2c575f903de4edd39","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-19T19:31:32.489Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q30e2c575f903de4edd39"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qc80faa67b4abb4fe9cce","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-19T19:22:44.769Z","text":"你让机器人找 二巡以前判例是什么","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc80faa67b4abb4fe9cce"}}