{"id":"q345b9799b8302d37afd1","batch_id":"batch-000119","seq":561,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T00:52:06.721Z","text":"但是刑事庭处理Mahwah，却用了破产庭的说法\n既然不认可luc关于郭的alter ego，那么产权不是郭家族的Mahwah，就不能被检方拿去和luc和解\n除非，luc给检方提供的证据，显示Mahwah是郭本人的。那就是造假伪证。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"qe95597e467f125d77543","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q345b9799b8302d37afd1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe95597e467f125d77543","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119/pages/3","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000119/pages/3","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q345b9799b8302d37afd1","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q345b9799b8302d37afd1/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q345b9799b8302d37afd1","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qed981e0686ea143147b6","speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-16T00:32:30.298Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed981e0686ea143147b6"},{"id":"q50002c535ad303090df4","speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-16T00:33:38.805Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50002c535ad303090df4"},{"id":"q485bf780e57bfd202510","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T00:39:31.551Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q485bf780e57bfd202510"},{"id":"qe0da323f1c24a6bb92d7","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-06-16T00:52:14.269Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0da323f1c24a6bb92d7"},{"id":"q8fe54a74d3b10555355e","speaker":"wen***","date":"2026-06-16T00:54:41.060Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8fe54a74d3b10555355e"},{"id":"qa9e6c4d7ac0e2c21e14e","speaker":"wen***","date":"2026-06-16T00:55:11.179Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa9e6c4d7ac0e2c21e14e"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qe95597e467f125d77543","speaker":"ton***","date":"2026-06-15T23:39:27.637Z","text":"刑事法院主动竖起防火墙(Doc 311 fn8)\n「防火墙」在这里是字面意思:主审刑案的法官,开庭前就明文裁定「破产那套东西不许进刑事庭」。\n\nDoc 311 是 Torres 法官的庭前证据裁定(in limine = 开庭前先定哪些证据能用)。\n它的脚注 8说了两句关键的:\n破产法院的认定在刑案里「not dispositive」——刑案不把它当已成定论,因为刑案要求更高标准;\n「受托人提起了 alter ego 诉讼」这个事实,如果拿来证明它是真的,就是不可采的传闻证据。\n翻成大白话:检方/任何人不能走进刑事庭说「你看,受托人都起诉说郭控制这些公司了,所以这是真的」——法官明令这话不许说给陪审团听。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe95597e467f125d77543"}}