{"id":"q38bae5b352e8b44a39a9","batch_id":"batch-000019","seq":502,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-26T08:54:34.654Z","text":"当然我自认为，我有些话，是为了各位好，比如这个，大家是不是的确应该思考下？就这段话而言，你们不能说我哪里说的不客观吧","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"qc8325c5935deef6ec29d","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38bae5b352e8b44a39a9","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8325c5935deef6ec29d","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000019/pages/3","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000019/pages/3","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38bae5b352e8b44a39a9","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q38bae5b352e8b44a39a9/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q38bae5b352e8b44a39a9","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qf65bc295ae4b1df35c61","speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-26T08:52:52.369Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf65bc295ae4b1df35c61"},{"id":"qb9c4e49b2cc61b746ab2","speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-26T08:53:29.606Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9c4e49b2cc61b746ab2"},{"id":"q5d18f04d174d1806ec5c","speaker":"gon***","date":"2025-07-26T08:54:23.701Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d18f04d174d1806ec5c"},{"id":"q4983b24b670eb3654050","speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-26T08:54:58.580Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4983b24b670eb3654050"},{"id":"q344300312eee4869627e","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-26T08:55:34.842Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q344300312eee4869627e"},{"id":"q61013d0d86e68545f090","speaker":"mus***","date":"2025-07-26T08:55:48.578Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61013d0d86e68545f090"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qc8325c5935deef6ec29d","speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-26T08:39:49.918Z","text":"这是个很值得大家思考的问题。其实这番话可以从另一个角度等价出一个模型：假如，螺丝不存在（没发现这个法门）、也没有任何与螺丝相同的个体，去成为世间唯一一个发现郭案翻案路径的人，那么这时，郭能做什么？即：是他本身就有一套不依赖螺丝路线就能实现自我救赎的路径？还是说他掐指算到一定有螺丝这个一种个体会出现，而他也必须依赖这样一个路线才能获救？还是说他本已束手无策，奇迹出现了这么一个个体发现了这个路线救他？ 不知道各位怎么想。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8325c5935deef6ec29d"}}