{"id":"q3bdae1850dac4b6711e1","batch_id":"batch-000151","seq":110,"speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-25T04:33:16.461Z","text":"这个很有价值； 二巡的文件中提出了ACA capital 建于2016年， 早于投资项目，检方没有提供流水，只说农场借款转给了郭家","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q2f83c10399cd16baade0","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3bdae1850dac4b6711e1","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f83c10399cd16baade0","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3bdae1850dac4b6711e1","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3bdae1850dac4b6711e1/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q3bdae1850dac4b6711e1","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qcd1081ffe2c93ac6f1a4","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-25T04:16:37.412Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd1081ffe2c93ac6f1a4"},{"id":"qb2d88bd6472adf9ec982","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-25T04:24:17.609Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2d88bd6472adf9ec982"},{"id":"q5ae3dc5069115a249c28","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-25T04:32:06.660Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ae3dc5069115a249c28"},{"id":"q8ebec6bf365a517ddf47","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T04:34:18.318Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ebec6bf365a517ddf47"},{"id":"q168f5da4d219846f2c51","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-25T04:39:39.155Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q168f5da4d219846f2c51"},{"id":"qe1c5474d6b46536a18d1","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T04:41:23.246Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1c5474d6b46536a18d1"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q2f83c10399cd16baade0","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T04:08:14.666Z","text":"还有一个会增强Tony资金表价值的新连接\n\n826-1同时指出：\n\nHimalaya Exchange所谓 $517m loss 也是通过账户gross inflows加总出来的，没有区分：\n\ninvestor deposits；\nsecondary-market trading；\n转去G Club等其他类别的资金。\n\n也就是说，郭方已经正式告诉Torres：\n\ngross transaction volume ≠ economic loss。\n\n这和Tony Farm Ledger的价值完全一样：\n\nTony表提供的是economic transaction identity：\n\n谁、什么时候、多少钱、合同号、loan application number。\n\nGXZ26/Hinton提供的是：\n\nbank-account inflow aggregation。\n\n因此Tony表真正可能提供的，不只是“我看到有中国人投资”，而是：\n\n底层经济交易的去重单位。\n\n如果未来能拿Tony表里的US12xx逐笔对应后续banking flow，就可以真正测试：\n\n一个economic investment有没有因为跨Crane/Farm/GClub/Hamilton/ACA多层账户而被多次出现在aggregate figures里。\n\n这一点还没证明，但现在已经有明确方法论。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f83c10399cd16baade0"}}