{"id":"q3c769c9f8acbe1e4465d","batch_id":"batch-000157","seq":803,"speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-10T01:50:40.338Z","text":"是的 量刑rule32 比定罪要严格的多","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"qc9af4415632ed81b9a1c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c769c9f8acbe1e4465d","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9af4415632ed81b9a1c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000157/pages/5","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000157/pages/5","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c769c9f8acbe1e4465d","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c769c9f8acbe1e4465d/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q3c769c9f8acbe1e4465d","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q959d431e1c2d13f20878","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-10T01:14:06.970Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q959d431e1c2d13f20878"},{"id":"q6adfdaecde27597ebe30","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-10T01:16:06.865Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6adfdaecde27597ebe30"},{"id":"qc9af4415632ed81b9a1c","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-10T01:49:32.618Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9af4415632ed81b9a1c"},{"id":"q2f0995e46688b082e7fe","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-10T01:58:07.452Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f0995e46688b082e7fe"},{"id":"q7201eca0b3f08bf5af80","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-10T01:59:42.858Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7201eca0b3f08bf5af80"},{"id":"qe85636b3b019ae7cc1bc","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-10T02:04:51.304Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe85636b3b019ae7cc1bc"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qc9af4415632ed81b9a1c","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-09-10T01:49:32.618Z","text":"当时律师说这个事情，在rico下，小弟做什么事都是老大的锅。但现在，法官都判了投资款流入G enterprise 就是犯罪所得，然后农场的集合体-联盟，也在G enterprise 里，投资者再去说，就不一样了，某个投资者提出后，政府就得回应，投资者的钱没有在没收清单，到底在哪里。就会扯到被告实际损失是多少，就属于量刑的实质性问题。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9af4415632ed81b9a1c"}}