{"id":"q3d4901635ca8795d1062","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":804,"speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-24T19:52:14.376Z","text":"虚假索赔是luc自己说的。你他妈 不看法庭文件？还说是瑞哥思路🤣","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q9e3607e2c6fcd29a580c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d4901635ca8795d1062","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e3607e2c6fcd29a580c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018/pages/5","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018/pages/5","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d4901635ca8795d1062","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d4901635ca8795d1062/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q3d4901635ca8795d1062","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q16e01e9a62f6138d53b9","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T19:39:13.468Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16e01e9a62f6138d53b9"},{"id":"qe578f235a193d328530b","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-24T19:47:47.568Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe578f235a193d328530b"},{"id":"qc4972fa0c0088a787f91","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T19:49:28.736Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc4972fa0c0088a787f91"},{"id":"q4d7b9425168771414597","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T19:52:34.624Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d7b9425168771414597"},{"id":"qb4e8d45e175525f77fa1","speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-24T19:52:55.860Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4e8d45e175525f77fa1"},{"id":"qf58c1bcbb9ab5f504025","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T19:53:03.344Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf58c1bcbb9ab5f504025"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q9e3607e2c6fcd29a580c","speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-07-24T19:00:15.216Z","text":"有网络有电脑就能发动议，没人阻挡得了你。我只是提醒一下可能出现的几种情况，你要做好应对预案：\n\n1. Torres会先判老郭的刑，判刑当天出初步没收令，开启30天动议提交期，然后处理第三方动议。\n\n2. 老郭被判刑以后肯定要上诉，上诉期间，Torres处理你们第三方动议还可能暂停，所以其实等到处理你们动议的时候老郭要么：\n\n2.1 老郭刑事案翻案：如果是这种情况，那么政府扣押资产都会还给老郭；\n\n2.2 老郭刑事案上诉失败：那你们打第三方动议给老郭翻案也没有用，你说了上诉不审核新证据，只看现有证据\n\n3. 你想通过打第三方动议给老郭翻案，理由是通过第三方动议可以逼Luc交出他登记了哪些老郭的债权人，然后想办法证明这些债权人中有的人申报虚假债权，然后被检方拿来作为老郭搞诈骗的受害人立了一个刑事案，是这个思路吧。如果Luc老奸巨猾，从刑事案第三方程序里退出了，他说政府扣押的资产Luc我不要了，那你怎么通过刑事庭动议继续逼Luc拿出债权人名单？你要想一个备用方案，比如（我随便举例）去破产庭打Luc？\n\n4. 当然，你想提第三方动议尽管去提，谁也阻止不了。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e3607e2c6fcd29a580c"}}