{"id":"q406e9232127b916a817b","batch_id":"batch-000153","seq":173,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-27T11:52:00.581Z","text":"为什么这次比以前发现更重要。 Dkt.803（2026年2月17日）政府自己把控制标准写成：资金必须在某时点处于被告 control 之下；Rajaratnam之所以算“obtained”，是因为他有 “authority over disbursements”；Peters也是因为公司收到的钱实际上由个人控制。 但政府接下来证明郭“Boss controlling all entities/assets”的脚注，对HEX只拿出：郭说自己设计H Coin、Brown这个CEO没有控制，以及HEX的钱曾经贷给郭；它没有拿出郭是HEX银行authorized signer、UBO、100% shareholder，或者郭能直接发wire的证据。相反，政府自己2022年的银行证据恰好把这些最接近“authority over disbursements”的指标全部放在Je身上。\n    这就形成一个比“Je运营HEX”更精准的冲突：\n    803要求证明：谁对disbursement有authority。\n    716银行证据回答：HEX核心账户的authorized signer / UBO / 100% owner = Je。\n    858却最终把HEX约$517m gross inflows整体归入郭个人$889m forfeiture。\n    更醒目的是，同一份716-5对 G Club 也没有把郭列成Mercantile账户签字人——Target Account-1的authorized signer是Financial Controller Alex。 所以现在至少从账户层来看，政府自己的原始证据并不支持一个简单的“郭本人签字控制所有实体银行账户”的模型。\n* 涉及哪一层。 对 Count 11（HEX wire fraud conviction），这个材料并不能证明郭没有参与诈骗；promotional statements、H Coin设计、37m yacht transaction和共谋证据仍然存在，所以我只给 ★★★☆☆。对 Count One RICO同理，“ultimate leader”不要求本人逐笔签wire。可是对 858个人money judgment、特别是HEX约$517m是否属于郭“obtained/control”，我给 ★★★★★。它直接打的是Honeycutt/Contorinis/Peters意义上的个人取得，而不是第三方产权。对 HEX/ACA alter ego和derivative orders也是 ★★★★★，因为银行KYC、正式UBO和签字权是比Boss称呼更具体的法人/财务控制证据。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q406e9232127b916a817b","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000153","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000153","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q406e9232127b916a817b","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q406e9232127b916a817b/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q406e9232127b916a817b","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qf59a683d1943d96a5330","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-27T11:25:29.567Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf59a683d1943d96a5330"},{"id":"q1d9a938c3f091a313ae1","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-27T11:50:14.175Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d9a938c3f091a313ae1"},{"id":"q88158b6b1b328e0e4d9d","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-27T11:51:41.968Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88158b6b1b328e0e4d9d"},{"id":"qe35c8ed33605de60870c","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-27T11:55:38.320Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe35c8ed33605de60870c"},{"id":"q3ae37f40a243712c3338","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-27T11:56:39.621Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ae37f40a243712c3338"},{"id":"qf8dd0f3ef65758050f49","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-08-27T11:57:53.993Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8dd0f3ef65758050f49"}],"parent_message":null}