{"id":"q40ba0557933a958c3334","batch_id":"batch-000109","seq":446,"speaker":"tan***","date":"2026-05-07T08:12:21.333Z","text":"不同意你的观点，自己诈骗自己不成立，欺诈要同时满足：1、意图或故意；2、占有他人财物；3、通过非法手段。这三点要同时满足，否则就是构成欺诈罪条件不满足，就是无罪化处理。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q05de627b5c948971d32b","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40ba0557933a958c3334","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q05de627b5c948971d32b","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000109/pages/3","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000109/pages/3","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40ba0557933a958c3334","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40ba0557933a958c3334/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q40ba0557933a958c3334","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qa7d9ae7a0e30eb255e2d","speaker":"yyy***","date":"2026-05-07T08:07:40.074Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7d9ae7a0e30eb255e2d"},{"id":"qc74a95d501b55c723e8e","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-07T08:11:05.376Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc74a95d501b55c723e8e"},{"id":"q5fcb6f6d6b4ee15ff413","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-07T08:11:43.602Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5fcb6f6d6b4ee15ff413"},{"id":"q893b2779a743221e5df6","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-07T08:12:41.268Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q893b2779a743221e5df6"},{"id":"qd6758832c170a116b877","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-07T08:12:52.746Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd6758832c170a116b877"},{"id":"q68a35cecf4125210f3f4","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-05-07T08:13:39.179Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68a35cecf4125210f3f4"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q05de627b5c948971d32b","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-05-07T08:07:27.379Z","text":"自己诈骗自己也是可以的  只要能证明你开启了这个阴谋","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q05de627b5c948971d32b"}}