{"id":"q444204793900a77468e7","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":449,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-30T04:12:18.984Z","text":"简单说\n起诉书可以这么写 都属于郭集团\n预没收清单 可以列郭家族公司\n但量刑后，算最终没收清单，这些alter ego未确定的家族公司，是不是要删除\n金钱判决的8.89，对不上最终没收清单，没法圆","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q5b1a4d3d3c63057dbc76","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q444204793900a77468e7","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b1a4d3d3c63057dbc76","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161/pages/3","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161/pages/3","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q444204793900a77468e7","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q444204793900a77468e7/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q444204793900a77468e7","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q5b1a4d3d3c63057dbc76","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-30T04:06:25.304Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b1a4d3d3c63057dbc76"},{"id":"q972ce5e769f8b96609c6","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-30T04:07:22.312Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q972ce5e769f8b96609c6"},{"id":"q93300d4f0a7f9b7d310a","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-09-30T04:08:47.074Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93300d4f0a7f9b7d310a"},{"id":"qe028384fb14c80b1963d","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-30T04:19:39.323Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe028384fb14c80b1963d"},{"id":"q2a11deaa8a7a8640087d","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-30T04:20:42.597Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a11deaa8a7a8640087d"},{"id":"q792895cb25c581305647","speaker":"sar***","date":"2026-09-30T04:22:04.944Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q792895cb25c581305647"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q5b1a4d3d3c63057dbc76","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-30T04:06:25.304Z","text":"郭不是alter ego 说明在破产案体系下 郭不控制这些钱 g系列 那你刑事案郭控制g系列的叙事怎么说？","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b1a4d3d3c63057dbc76"}}