{"id":"q450a6c2a31873ad12c3c","batch_id":"batch-000151","seq":218,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:52:06.291Z","text":"收到。你上传的是 Dkt. 329 和 Dkt. 489。这两份PDF看起来是扫描件，系统目前只能读出页码，正文没有解析出来，所以我现在不会假装已经从原件里读到了“王的money judgment到底多少、后来有没有credit”。\n\n不过，结合刚才已经能完整读取的 691 + 720，Qodty那个问题有一部分已经可以确定：\n\n691暂停的绝对不是王的money judgment。 法院原话是：\n\n“Resolution of the third-party petitions … is STAYED pending entry of a preliminary forfeiture order as to Defendant Miles Guo.”\n\n也就是暂停王Dkt.329之后的第三方产权petitions，等待郭的POF，然后统一做ancillary proceeding。 gov.uscourts.nysd.595325.691.0.pdf\n\n政府还明确解释，目的是把王、郭涉及的同一批Subject Properties放到一个第三方产权程序里处理，避免两个ancillary proceedings产生冲突裁定。 gov.uscourts.nysd.595325.691.0.pdf\n\n因此：\n\n“郭后来8.89亿，所以王的money judgment必须重新公告”——从691推不出来。\n\n但现在真正值得用你刚上传的329和489查的是另一个问题：\n\n王自己的money judgment到底是多少、由哪些犯罪所得组成；Dkt.489有没有把329变成final/amended order；SEC已经处理的GTV $411m有没有在王的judgment中得到credit或satisfaction。\n\n如果329/489证明王那边仍然完整保留包含GTV的金额，而政府又已经实际通过SEC取得了同一GTV corpus，那么Qodty的问题就会升级成一个更好的问题：\n\n不是“王为什么没有重新公告”，而是“同一GTV财产已经通过SEC recovery以后，王的criminal forfeiture judgment是否应当获得相应credit，从而防止政府对同一财产double recovery？”\n\n这个问题比“公告没有重新发”重要得多。\n\n而且720已经明确告诉我们，郭与王之间只有Count 3那部分是按王的forfeiture money judgment范围承担joint-and-several liability；郭自己的13亿还包括他个人取得的其他有罪counts proceeds。 gov.uscourts.nysd.595325.720.0.pdf\n\n所以王的金额和郭的金额从来就不能简单同步加减。\n\n你这两份329/489我会按这个目标继续核：王的money judgment → GTV是否包含 → specific property → 后续final/amendment → 有没有credit。 只要把这一链钉死，就能准确回答Qodty，而不是再靠“14亿、13亿、8.89亿”几个数字猜关系。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q450a6c2a31873ad12c3c","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151/pages/2","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151/pages/2","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q450a6c2a31873ad12c3c","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q450a6c2a31873ad12c3c/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/q450a6c2a31873ad12c3c","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q5d789aaac8aab1fee93e","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:44:29.277Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d789aaac8aab1fee93e"},{"id":"q91da7aa4ae96b18bf060","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-25T09:45:47.210Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91da7aa4ae96b18bf060"},{"id":"q0ebd9e982effac2e9252","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T09:49:30.804Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ebd9e982effac2e9252"},{"id":"q189a32e543889b3999d7","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-25T09:52:25.183Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q189a32e543889b3999d7"},{"id":"q1936430ae9066b18b5d4","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-25T09:56:55.440Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1936430ae9066b18b5d4"},{"id":"qe269fd963bd6b68089cd","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-25T09:57:39.097Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe269fd963bd6b68089cd"}],"parent_message":null}